I better see no event than brain-dead-bot-friendly-drop-based events like the wintermelon one. 2x weekends will be fashionable for some time, as well as events where you dont have to go out and hunt-hunt-hunt, just do something else for a change, such as yogi staff, tiger event, elpy vita, those things were different, take them as a vacation, give a thrill of things without any penalty, such as OE, drop funny event weapons as baguettes, fake vespers, things like those everyone found fun and rewarding.
If I knew they can design an event i would have given some ideas, but unfortunatelly they cant, if they cant fix a glitch like the badges/manor thing in 2 months, well...
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I better see no event than brain-dead-bot-friendly-drop-based events like the wintermelon one. 2x weekends will be fashionable for some time, as well as events where you dont have to go out and hunt-hunt-hunt, just do something else for a change, such as yogi staff, tiger event, elpy vita, those things were different, take them as a vacation, give a thrill of things without any penalty, such as OE, drop funny event weapons as baguettes, fake vespers, things like those everyone found fun and rewarding.
If I knew they can design an event i would have given some ideas, but unfortunatelly they cant, if they cant fix a glitch like the badges/manor thing in 2 months, well...
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You might very well be the most annoying and obsessed noob I have ever encountered on these boards, and that is saying quite a lot tbh.
"2x weekends will be fashionable for some time, as well as events where you dont have to go out and hunt-hunt-hunt"
Actually I make a lot of sense, it is sad I have to explain it to you, I thought it is obvious:
if you think that during 2x exp time (not much of an event tho) you make a lot of exp and get tired of it so you want something more of an event to get items/money, like yogi staff, tiger.
Does MaoMao ever make sense?
I have some entertaining video for you. I am sure you will try like everyone else to make sense of this situation in which ppl dont like using weapons when they exp. Perhaps are too Pr0 and a weapon is not needed, and the ability to exp without a weapon is probably the criteria to select really Pr0 ppl in a clan ? He failed the test, I think, but he still managed to get in... Humm, perhaps bribery :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4irc0rqUGGQ
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lol, i dont know what you expect me to say about the video, bots do exist, i never said they didnt, and i dont know that person as i never played on franz.
i just simply think that bots and rmt arent the main thing thats killing the game. the economy has been based on rmt and bots for the last 5-6 years, so its almost impossible to make a normal economy now (not to mention that i dont get the whole issue people have with bots when we have private server rates almost permanately with these dumb events which allow everyone to get 85 easily with almost no time sunk into the game).
the thing that is killing this game is the pvp programs like ranger. ncsoft refuses to do anything against those programs, but is active against the other 2 eula violations i mentioned above??? makes no sense.
i'll state it for u again:
mat farming bots = low lvl xp areas = not my problem as it supplies the market with mats
rmt = not my problem = the economy is based off it already
high lvl bots = who cares?, most of the server is 75+, many 80+
the thing i dont get, which maybe you can talk normally about MaoMao without getting all leg0t on us, is NCsoft's thought process. Now bear with me and read this:
The economy in L2 has been destroyed by RMT from a loooooong time ago. Items that cost billions require large clans and/or very specific party types to farm those amounts of adena. NCsoft is now banning/removing items from people who RMT. What does this solve? The market will not drop in price (as it hasn't) and now the most players can't purchase items because the adena population is low. And the people sellign those items wont take less adena for them otherwise they are technically loosing adena. So how is this going to work?
NCsoft is actively banning bots. Why now? Why after all the main bot users are 85? Why after all the main people who use those programs are end game? What does this solve? It basically prevents mat farming bots to stock the market with mats. With perma vit 4, nevits, 2x xp weekends, i dont see how an actual bot party could affect anything in this game. Is every single player supposed to create a lvl 40 spoiler to get animal bone because no end game areas drop this stuff? The new beast farm is a nice movement towards making the end game feature end game mats, but the entire system is still based on needing high and low lvl characters to keep the economy running in game. we have no active low lvls anymore, at least not enough to fuel an entire end game economy.
Now we move onto things like ranger, which has nothing being done about it. We have full parties assisting each other in lagged out sieges with no delay on their movements. We have auto buff removing programs and anti backstab features being used in oly. We have a completely destroyed sense of PvP at end game (i know, u and your clan dont pvp). This is causing players to either A) use ranger as well and risk their accounts for when ncsoft decides to stop it, B) play anyways because they love this game, or C) quit.
I dont know what ncsoft is trying to do, but if dwindling the entire server population down to needing another merge is their goal, they sure are succeeding in it imo.
p.s. before u accuse me of anything, im option B above :-P
in before Sace moves this post to our inafmous bot thread (<3 u Sace)
I vote for no events this quarter. What will we all do at the end? With all these vitality boosting events and potions everyone is rushing to the end; will we just stand around in town looking at each other? Do we even know what the retention numbers are for those that reach level cap? So, be careful with all these vitality events and just go back to looking for groups to help get XP. Enjoy the ride, look around at the scenery. Try something new this year, experience the game and not try to get to the end so fast.
Funny side note: XP means experience points; yet in our relentless quest for faster XP we don’t really experience the game to its fullest.
vita events from here on out should be xmas box type...
make them tradeable so ppl who dont care about vit can make $ or lvl alts.
they can be used when your ready to use them, instead of vit events where you have to be on a certain time and do certain things etc.
also vit should always jus be placed in our WH dont do this stupid bs where you have to waste time chasing rabbits or somthing to get it. that time could be spent getting xp, so whats the point of vit if ya gotta waste hours to get it.
adena events can be time killers, vit events should be about xping. dont confuse the 2
How about a month long event designed to move the economy away from bots and RMT? Put the pts cats in Giran and let them sell crafting materials at base game cost. At the same time, add another double XP event that has a two-fold purpose. 1) to allow those that normally sell a chance to get out and level. 2) to give players one more boost before H5. With the pts cats selling materials a few times a year, that will get the economy back to a realistic level and get rid of the RMT for everything other than boss jewels.
How about a month long event designed to move the economy away from bots and RMT? Put the pts cats in Giran and let them sell crafting materials at base game cost. At the same time, add another double XP event that has a two-fold purpose. 1) to allow those that normally sell a chance to get out and level. 2) to give players one more boost before H5. With the pts cats selling materials a few times a year, that will get the economy back to a realistic level and get rid of the RMT for everything other than boss jewels.
That's not "designed to move the economy away from bots" that's "OMG farmers quit this game and now I have to pay 40k per CL". There is no RMT for mats. Mats are just scarce now with the antibot measures in effect there no trains gathering mats 24/7. Get used to it.
If there is no this events, soloing characters (when you start into game playing normally alone), never will have a great character.
Soloing ppl should never be successful in a MMO. If they are it is the fault of the designers of the MMO or the GMs which allow it to happen in case the game is well designed.
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That's not "designed to move the economy away from bots" that's "OMG farmers quit this game and now I have to pay 40k per CL". There is no RMT for mats. Mats are just scarce now with the antibot measures in effect there no trains gathering mats 24/7. Get used to it.
I have to strongly disagree with you here, sir for two reasons:
First, farmers never lowered the price of anything in this game. They are in fact a large reason of why prices are so LOL high. I ask you...what would be the a good reason for a person to set up automated players just to get materials to sell to the market? Do you think they were doing this out of the kindness of their heart? They would get materials to sell to the market for adena. Now what would they need all this adena for? To buy weapons and armor? If there is a group of people in the game that have an unlimited access to base materials, recipes, and armor/wep parts because they're botting 24/7, why not just make all the armor and weapons they need? I think it is much more realistic to assume that if a person has 20+ accounts that are afk farming all day they are probably doing it to sell the mats for adena. And they're selling the mats for adena to sell to people for real cash. AND if they're in it to make money from the materials, it would be in their best interests if prices allowed them to make as much as they possibly could. Farmers never lowered prices, they were like a cartel that constantly dictated ridiculous prices until they became so much the norm that they continue today.
Secondly, even now there is no shortage of materials in game. Let's take crafted leather for example. Currently in Giran on Chronos there is in total 38,360 pieces of crafted leather available in the market. And this is just the sellers that are currently online. Not to mention the ones that will be created through the manor today, tomorrow, the next day. And the ones that are gathered by scavengers and the like. There is no shortage of stuff, just a bunch of coneheads still working the game on old stupid protocols that have destroyed what used to be a pretty awesome gaming environment.
I think a material event would be just what we need to set some new price standards. It's waaay beyond time for such a thing and NCSoft should take this final step towards balancing the game economy that stops the game from being improperly controlled by bad players.
I have to strongly disagree with you here, sir for two reasons:
First, farmers never lowered the price of anything in this game. They are in fact a large reason of why prices are so LOL high. I ask you...what would be the a good reason for a person to set up automated players just to get materials to sell to the market? Do you think they were doing this out of the kindness of their heart? They would get materials to sell to the market for adena. Now what would they need all this adena for? To buy weapons and armor? If there is a group of people in the game that have an unlimited access to base materials, recipes, and armor/wep parts because they're botting 24/7, why not just make all the armor and weapons they need? I think it is much more realistic to assume that if a person has 20+ accounts that are afk farming all day they are probably doing it to sell the mats for adena. And they're selling the mats for adena to sell to people for real cash. AND if they're in it to make money from the materials, it would be in their best interests if prices allowed them to make as much as they possibly could. Farmers never lowered prices, they were like a cartel that constantly dictated ridiculous prices until they became so much the norm that they continue today.
Secondly, even now there is no shortage of materials in game. Let's take crafted leather for example. Currently in Giran on Chronos there is in total 38,360 pieces of crafted leather available in the market. And this is just the sellers that are currently online. Not to mention the ones that will be created through the manor today, tomorrow, the next day. And the ones that are gathered by scavengers and the like. There is no shortage of stuff, just a bunch of coneheads still working the game on old stupid protocols that have destroyed what used to be a pretty awesome gaming environment.
I think a material event would be just what we need to set some new price standards. It's waaay beyond time for such a thing and NCSoft should take this final step towards balancing the game economy that stops the game from being improperly controlled by bad players.
While I agree with the general idea that cheaters killed the game, I have to disagree that farmers keep prices high.
L2 market is largely driven by supply and demand. If the farmers try to sell above the market price, they wont sell, they wont make adena for sale and their bosses wont be pleased. As you said, there are plenty of mats in the market, the merge ruined any attempt to try fix the price high. Lately even legit players can do manor. Slowly, the game is recovering from the botting overdose that almost killed it. Too slow for my taste, but the progress is undeniable and the dropout rate is not what it used to be.
The price of mats will reach an equilibrium. There is no such thing as too high price, if you cant afford something, you are not investing enough thinking into it. It is supposed to be hard to get items, otherwise they wont have any value.
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I'm hoping for no event in January, other than NC giving back TW badges for everyone who deserves them. I'm hoping NC here is busy getting High Five ready for the PTS and later ready for Live.
I do hope we will have a reasonable number of good event this year though. 2010 was a busy year, with several very good events. If I remember right, 2009 was not bad with several terrific events too but 2008 had hardly anything in the first part of the year, and some were of little or no value to most players and only a few at year end, though some were good.
I'm hoping for no event in January, other than NC giving back TW badges for everyone who deserves them. I'm hoping NC here is busy getting High Five ready for the PTS and later ready for Live.
I do hope we will have a reasonable number of good event this year though. 2010 was a busy year, with several very good events. If I remember right, 2009 was not bad with several terrific events too but 2008 had hardly anything in the first part of the year, and some were of little or no value to most players and only a few at year end, though some were good.
It's not incompatible a Double SP/XP with TW Badges and get ready the PTS Server. All months had an event, Why January hadn't it?.
If there isn't new ppl who enter into game, game will dead. If you read the patch notes for Hi5, too many new updates is for big players (Olys, News Skills...)
A level 25 character will not see any change in server. Lineage 2 needs new players and this players need raise a lvl too fast for enjoy pvp, sieges, TW...
Lineage 2 needs new players and this players need raise a lvl too fast for enjoy pvp, sieges, TW...
New players wont enjoy PvP and many other features, for the simple reason that cheating hasnt been fixed yet. Before attracting more players, that issue needs to be adressed. I mean, the real players.
As for the others, nothing changed, they will bot or buy a char and go to enjoy scripting at PvP to try to unseat the best scripters right now. They either fail to script better (most likely, we have ppl with years of experience in that field) and quit in a few months, or manage it, and the former top scripters will leave (highly unlikely tho). One day, i hope, NCNA will understand too that bots dont pay their wages, it is the ppl in korea which are heavily subsidising them, so their incompetence can ruin NC Korea reputation over here. Legits in Korea are paying for the cheaters here, not the other way around.
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It's not incompatible a Double SP/XP with TW Badges and get ready the PTS Server. All months had an event, Why January hadn't it?.
If there isn't new ppl who enter into game, game will dead. If you read the patch notes for Hi5, too many new updates is for big players (Olys, News Skills...)
A level 25 character will not see any change in server. Lineage 2 needs new players and this players need raise a lvl too fast for enjoy pvp, sieges, TW...
+1
another double exp weekend would be nice. since it is already set up, probably would not take much resource to implement. Sace do not have to work overtime buff vit if she needs to go on date. my guess is sace's bf does not play any mmorpg.
Yet, you still didnt get it...
I will try to explain a bit further...
The meaning of "as well as" is that 2x exp is good and OTHER events where you do something else than hunt-hunt-hunt after we had (at that time fairly recently) 2x events.
So in a long phrase, after we have (had) 2x events, ppl are tired of hunting, so, events other than hunting would be welcome.
Perhaps you managed to understand it now, I think it is clear enough, wont explain it again for you, so if you still didnt get it, tought luck.
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Yet, you still didnt get it...
I will try to explain a bit further...
The meaning of "as well as" is that 2x exp is good and OTHER events where you do something else than hunt-hunt-hunt after we had (at that time fairly recently) 2x events.
So in a long phrase, after we have (had) 2x events, ppl are tired of hunting, so, events other than hunting would be welcome.
Perhaps you managed to understand it now, I think it is clear enough, wont explain it again for you, so if you still didnt get it, tought luck.
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Dude, what do you do on a 2x weekend? Can you do other than hunt-hunt-hunt?
You might very well be the most annoying and obsessed noob I have ever encountered on these boards, and that is saying quite a lot tbh.
Well look at it this way. At least he didn't say the words bot or cheater in his post. It's a first!
I better see no event than brain-dead-bot-friendly-drop-based events like the wintermelon one. 2x weekends will be fashionable for some time, as well as events where you dont have to go out and hunt-hunt-hunt, just do something else for a change, such as yogi staff, tiger event, elpy vita, those things were different, take them as a vacation, give a thrill of things without any penalty, such as OE, drop funny event weapons as baguettes, fake vespers, things like those everyone found fun and rewarding.
If I knew they can design an event i would have given some ideas, but unfortunatelly they cant, if they cant fix a glitch like the badges/manor thing in 2 months, well...
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err, I mean.......ah ****.
How about an event that bans everyone for a month that comes to the forums and QQ's about bots, RMT, cheaters, programmers, and mouth-breathing? That would be a breath of fresh air for these forums :D
2x weekends will be fashionable for some time, as well as events where you dont have to go out and hunt-hunt-hunt
MaoMao, you kind of are only proving him right. But in all honesty, I have one thing to say to you regarding this. And in all seriousness, from the bottom of my heart, I am only saying this in your defense to help clear up your name.
Well, I think silence is also an answer. If there was any event would have been announced till now. However, I wont exclude surprises like that fellow Jack popping up at some point :)
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Ah... Since the H5 update will be rolled on the 15th, then, obviously, we wont have any valentine event... Or this is looking like it. After the non-event on Christmas, possibly no valentine at all :sad panda:
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Yes, how dare they not give an event that gives double exp, free vesper items, and revita-pops and vitality maintenance potions, nor ban bots, cheaters, and 3rd party program users.
Oh right...MaoMao, refer to the last line of the last post on page 2 of this thread, then go away, preez.