The previous system in which opponents were selected randomly has changed to a system in which opponents with similar Olympiad points will be matched first.
as i understand, if i have 8 points i will face any class who has 8 points too?
so if lvl 85 wins wins wins wins and then feeds up his clannie and get down to 8 points i will face him too?
even tho im lvl 79 right?
seems so, but imo its better then keep fighting hero after hero. This system will force the players with high scores to fight each other and will enable the ones that have less points to increase them.
seems so, but imo its better then keep fighting hero after hero. This system will force the players with high scores to fight each other and will enable the ones that have less points to increase them.
Agreed. Also gotta take into consideration that the number of matches people can do. might force more CB to go on. maybe a good thing? not sure yet for myself. just gotta wait and see
Too the most part you are correct kirill. It assumes he can actually feed the points to his clan mates, and get back down to gather more points.. But then most of us, even with lvl 81 toons lose to lvl 85 toons.
At this point, with all the changes happening in the Oly part of game with H5, I find it hard to guess what strategies big clans and top players will adopt to get to be heroes. That lvl 85 toon might just as easily find he's feeding points to his clan's enemies and not his clan members. If he's trying to pass points to toons which a clan wants to become heroes, he will need a lot of points by middle of the month. In open oly, a lot of heroes or potential heroes will be fighting others with similar high point scores, or might.
As SayntLucifer indicates, mostly we need to wait and see, or possibly read the posts from Korean players.
Doing any mega-feeding is going to be really difficult on an uber farmer. With a maximum of only 280 fights every month, if you can't afford to lose the hero slot on the farmer, then you can't give up too much of your points.
At the same time the requirement for how many matches people need to play goes up to 15 meaning there should be even more points to take from players.
Also the vorpal and vesper gear in the shop, on top of the fact that the daily quests seem really good in terms of rewards means there should be much more people doing olympiad regularly.
Make no mistake, feeding is going to be harder to do effectively as you can't just do a 1000+ matches to get your desired results and take hero without contention. Especially (in fact crucially) because players can now /olympiadstat other people...
as i understand, if i have 8 points i will face any class who has 8 points too?
Oly in H5 still requires a batch of 8 people to start a wave.
So, if there are 7 signed people with just 1 point each in that wave, and 1 person with 1000 points signed at the same moment, there will be a match in which the person with 1000 pts fights someone with 1 point.
Oly in H5 still requires a batch of 8 people to start a wave.
So, if there are 7 signed people with just 1 point each in that wave, and 1 person with 1000 points signed at the same moment, there will be a match in which the person with 1000 pts fights someone with 1 point.
oh, so, as far as this goes....
ok they changed from 9 ppl to 10,
so i guess when 10 ppl are signed and u have 1 point, i have 4 points
some other have 1 point and another has 6 and bla bla bla have 1000 points
we all be matched up lower points to lower points and the one with 6 points to one with 1000 points or will it be totally korean random as usual?
Oly in H5 still requires a batch of 8 people to start a wave.
So, if there are 7 signed people with just 1 point each in that wave, and 1 person with 1000 points signed at the same moment, there will be a match in which the person with 1000 pts fights someone with 1 point.
But if there are 2 enforcers signed, the stuff becomes more interesting :rolleyes:
There is a good way to feed in this system. It is called keep your numbers high.
I will detail here:
I have 1 char that i want to get hero on. This wont be regular char, can have a lot of real victories on pre-80 chars on it's own, and even higher, as such can do some points up to 30-40 alone. Then, I have oly farmers on other accounts/clans/trains, etc. They will get also at around 30-40 points. Now, a tipical wave of ppl doing 15 matches for rewards consist of lower-than-30 huge majority. The chances for your farmer to meet the prospected new hero are high, and, in case wont meet it, will be able to continue farming on both chars. Once they get over 100 points will be even easier.
There will be scouts at Oly NPCs in all towns to see if any possible contestant is on, i.e. another known farmer with trains/clans, etc.
It wont be any easier than before, but also not THAT much harder as some ppl imagine.
M
There is a good way to feed in this system. It is called keep your numbers high.
I will detail here:
I have 1 char that i want to get hero on. This wont be regular char, can have a lot of real victories on pre-80 chars on it's own, and even higher, as such can do some points up to 30-40 alone. Then, I have oly farmers on other accounts/clans/trains, etc. They will get also at around 30-40 points. Now, a tipical wave of ppl doing 15 matches for rewards consist of lower-than-30 huge majority. The chances for your farmer to meet the prospected new hero are high, and, in case wont meet it, will be able to continue farming on both chars. Once they get over 100 points will be even easier.
There will be scouts at Oly NPCs in all towns to see if any possible contestant is on, i.e. another known farmer with trains/clans, etc.
It wont be any easier than before, but also not THAT much harder as some ppl imagine.
M
I'm not on the same server as you, but from your posts I get the strong feeling that you have no clue how to compete in the Olympiad.
In general the fights will be more fair since people that are farmers will get high in points pretty fast and they will face people with higher points very soon after they started "farming" Olympiad. During the end of the month when many people are inside, the so called "lowbies" will also have a lot of fun during Olympiad because they should be faceing each other most of the times.
Overall the matching of opponents via there points will make Olympiad ALOT more fair and interesting. Farmers won't need to camp Olympiad 6 hours everyday to get as many 1-2-3 pointers as possible to become hero.
Due to the max amount of 60 matches in open per week only the real strongest people of their class will get hero and not the one who camps the most.
What about people doing 9 losses for 20k tokens. Will they be able to do 15 losses and farm tokens slowly or? I managed to get my 83 skill book easily, but some classes have a hard time in oly due to poor equipment and stuff.
/olympiadstat another character?
I saw such feature in the past H5 update notes, but cannot see anywhere now. Looks like developers have decided not to implement that thing... And for the good, imo.
/olympiadstat another character?
I saw such feature in the past H5 update notes, but cannot see anywhere now. Looks like developers have decided not to implement that thing... And for the good, imo.
5th point in der 'Grand Olympiad'-Section .... :rolleyes:
The /olympiadstat command can now be used on other players.
What about people doing 9 losses for 20k tokens. Will they be able to do 15 losses and farm tokens slowly or? I managed to get my 83 skill book easily, but some classes have a hard time in oly due to poor equipment and stuff.
You get 10 points each week. Which means you can lose 7+ matches in a week before you are out. If you make all your losses starting with 40 points at the end of month, then yes, you will only be able to do 13 matches (you may still be able to do all 15 if you win at least once, but I wouldn't count on it unless you cannot find time to do it twice on different weeks).
You also get tokens just by participating, if you haven't forgot to pick oly quests.
And you will get 30k badges per those 15 losses, not 20k as before.
I'm not on the same server as you, but from your posts I get the strong feeling that you have no clue how to compete in the Olympiad.
There is no competition in oly, at least for legits, some ppl have fun doing their 9/15 matches, but, in general, only feeded ppl get hero.
This has been adressed in part by those changes, it will be harder to feed and will be more risky, but we have "Pr0" ppl I am sure they will manage to find an even better way.
M
There is no competition in oly, at least for legits, some ppl have fun doing their 9/15 matches, but, in general, only feeded ppl get hero.
This has been adressed in part by those changes, it will be harder to feed and will be more risky, but we have "Pr0" ppl I am sure they will manage to find an even better way.
M
********. Do you know anything? Seriously.
First of all: Stop your dumb obsession with only "unlegits" are on Oly. There are enough people farming open Olympiad without any help of programms.
Further feeding will be very hard if not almost impossible because the new opponent matching system will match chars with similar amounts of points and if you feed one guy with similar points it means that they move away from each other with points. So they will meet once, max. 2 times.
Just because you suck at the game it doesn't mean others do too.
********. Do you know anything? Seriously.
First of all: Stop your dumb obsession with only "unlegits" are on Oly. There are enough people farming open Olympiad without any help of programms.
I agree with xKilandi. My main, tank level 81 managed to get 62 points last month and place in the top 10%. I don't have any epics, my sword is still my good old trusted Forgotten Blade +3/focus with Holy 150 and I have yet to get my level 81 books to boot. However, I know how to play my class very well. I invested a lot of the Giant Codex books I got into enchanting the proper skills. And I pay attention to other tanks how they fight (I saw a great fight between Rainday and Lucie the other day where I learned a lot)
All you need to succeed is some strategy, semi-decent gear and a bit of luck as well as the attitude that you are going in for a win. If you go in thinking "Great... another unlegit", you are screwed from the start.
That's great and all that but come on, you're a tank. The only thing the class is good for IS Oly. It's built for it from the ground up.... Actually even that is in question in High 5. No more UD abuse. Should still be one of the strongest farmers though.
Actually even that is in question in High 5. No more UD abuse.
More details please. I am veeeery interested... I love tank classes, but slightly hate them for being so overpowered in oly.
All I can see for now is
Ultimate Defense: M.Def. increased.
Before every good tank had a bow (some tanks even used to have better bows than melee weapons lol) so that when they popped a UD they could still do significant damage while being able to hide behind that protection.
In high 5 the new arenas mean people can simply run away and hide behind stuff to use heal augments, talismans, or simply just sit down :) .
The only thing a tank will be able to do about it to keep the pressure up is either not use the UD in the first place or click it off and give chase. Tanks really aren't that much more defensible than other heavy armour classes as some people might think.
Taking some of the UD's out of the picture weakens them quite a bit. The good tanks will still be really strong though, but the bad ones who exclusively hide behind UD's are kinda' screwed.
Tanks really aren't that much more defensible than other heavy armor classes as some people might think.
Higher P.def bonus from Heavy Armor Mastery + crit damage reduction, Final Fortress and most of all the shield and everything about it. Knights don't have much CP and any of max HP bonus as warrior class, but their survivability is top notch. Their native m.def situation isn't that great, but few active skills makes it much smoother.
About arenas, it's great in such a perspective. I thought all those obstacles shall create a havoc, but not. Though arenas are random and not all of them have columns and other things to hide behind. So it'll be the matter of luck.
I didn't say they didn't have 'any' extra defence compared to other heavy armour users, I said it's not that much more.
Seriously any top-tier damage dealer under Final Secret will chew through that defence like as if it were paper. Most of the big skills ignore shield defence anyway. Only daggers and Titans care about crit damage reduction (lol,archers...).
Back in A grade/early S grade, tank defence mattered a great deal. With the attribute system and more importantly, +Duel PvP damage enhancement and Final Secret, high-end DD's do a ton of damage nowadays.
Defence has not scaled well at all compared to offence, beyond giving tanks a few more UD's and the 82 books (which physical +Duel DD's don't care about).
Only 1 of the 4 new arenas has no obstacles and all of them are bigger than the old arena we've had to suffer these past chronicles, so you have a 25% chance of not getting into an arena that makes heavy speed reduction UD's almost useless.
Like I sad:
The good tanks will still be really strong though, but the bad ones who exclusively hide behind UD's are kinda' screwed.
First of all: Stop your dumb obsession with only "unlegits" are on Oly. There are enough people farming open Olympiad without any help of programms.
Further feeding will be very hard if not almost impossible because the new opponent matching system will match chars with similar amounts of points and if you feed one guy with similar points it means that they move away from each other with points. So they will meet once, max. 2 times.
Just because you suck at the game it doesn't mean others do too.
I guess you either didnt read my post or you didnt read it entirely.
First, a cheater is not only someone who is using PvP programs. Level 85/80/80/80 "former" bots have already a considerable advantage, even if you dont cheat right now.
I never said that only unlegits do Oly, most ppl like to do their 9/15 matches, some are even prepared to fight in case they meet other legits, heck, some fight anyway, even against hero :). Everybody can win a naked or relogging char just doing their matches, sso with luck anyone can be in top 10%, one of our ppl even finished second at level 81 in former Franz, so I dont say it is impossible, far from it, I just said heroes are fed and unlegit, not everyone doing oly, nor that legits can never win bots, it may happen.
It will be easier than you think to feed, as I said, just keep your numbers high. I mean, all train will play against ppl with 9/15 matches and harvest their points, then go in a wave with the future hero to get rid of those points, then farm some more, etc. It will not be as easy as before, 100% true, but will still be easy enough, it will depend more on luck tho, one meeting with a serious opponent and a lot of those farmed points are lost, and matches are not unlimited, therefore it will be better to have more trains than before to maximise chances, so the ppl with more money will shine even more.
M
I agree with xKilandi. My main, tank level 81 managed to get 62 points last month and place in the top 10%. I don't have any epics, my sword is still my good old trusted Forgotten Blade +3/focus with Holy 150 and I have yet to get my level 81 books to boot. However, I know how to play my class very well. I invested a lot of the Giant Codex books I got into enchanting the proper skills. And I pay attention to other tanks how they fight (I saw a great fight between Rainday and Lucie the other day where I learned a lot)
All you need to succeed is some strategy, semi-decent gear and a bit of luck as well as the attitude that you are going in for a win. If you go in thinking "Great... another unlegit", you are screwed from the start.
True. It's about wanting to win and about knowing your class. If you know how to play then you got an advantage over about 65-70% of the server.
That's great and all that but come on, you're a tank. The only thing the class is good for IS Oly. It's built for it from the ground up.... Actually even that is in question in High 5. No more UD abuse. Should still be one of the strongest farmers though.
Level 81 tanks aren't anything special ^^ Without proper gear they are the same jokes as other chars in that level. =D
And yes H5 will change the tanks on Olympiads. And I can't wait for it!
It will be so much more fun to be a tank on Oly because you don't actually win every match my default anymore.
Right now it is like this on Naia Oly for me:
I win everyone except very strong EEs/SLHs. That's it. I hate to go into a match knowing I will win anyway or knowing I will lose anyway. It's no fun for me if I know what will happen.
In H5 I believe it will be more depending on skill! How you use the area around you etc.
More details please. I am veeeery interested... I love tank classes, but slightly hate them for being so overpowered in oly.
All I can see for now is
The Shield attack skill and challenge of fate sound nice!
Before every good tank had a bow (some tanks even used to have better bows than melee weapons lol) so that when they popped a UD they could still do significant damage while being able to hide behind that protection.
In high 5 the new arenas mean people can simply run away and hide behind stuff to use heal augments, talismans, or simply just sit down :) .
The only thing a tank will be able to do about it to keep the pressure up is either not use the UD in the first place or click it off and give chase. Tanks really aren't that much more defensible than other heavy armour classes as some people might think.
Taking some of the UD's out of the picture weakens them quite a bit. The good tanks will still be really strong though, but the bad ones who exclusively hide behind UD's are kinda' screwed.
Yeah I PvP'd my +4 Vesper Thrower even before my V. Cutter. =D Now I got both PvP'd but I will first get another ALOT better bow in H5 I think. Also I will make my UD +30 decrease penalty (the enchant also increases the amount of pdef/mdef given)!
Anyways since the matches are going to last much longer, me as a Phoenix Knight will have another BIG advantage: I heal without Mana cost. That goes for no other class so in the end I will be able to survive all match if I manage to hide properly etc! =D
Higher P.def bonus from Heavy Armor Mastery + crit damage reduction, Final Fortress and most of all the shield and everything about it. Knights don't have much CP and any of max HP bonus as warrior class, but their survivability is top notch. Their native m.def situation isn't that great, but few active skills makes it much smoother.
About arenas, it's great in such a perspective. I thought all those obstacles shall create a havoc, but not. Though arenas are random and not all of them have columns and other things to hide behind. So it'll be the matter of luck.
Tbh the Mdef of tanks is such a joke that it isn't even funny anymore. I'd prefer having less patk for more Mdef. I got enough Pdef and so but since I got to wear S grade jewels my mdef just sucks balls.
As for the new arenas: Why so many people think they are only an advantage for their class? They will benefit many classes. Tanks also. It will make me able to avoid nukers/ees from hitting me hard. I can last a whole match vs EEs like this.
I didn't say they didn't have 'any' extra defence compared to other heavy armour users, I said it's not that much more.
Seriously any top-tier damage dealer under Final Secret will chew through that defence like as if it were paper. Most of the big skills ignore shield defence anyway. Only daggers and Titans care about crit damage reduction (lol,archers...).
Back in A grade/early S grade, tank defence mattered a great deal. With the attribute system and more importantly, +Duel PvP damage enhancement and Final Secret, high-end DD's do a ton of damage nowadays.
Defence has not scaled well at all compared to offence, beyond giving tanks a few more UD's and the 82 books (which physical +Duel DD's don't care about).
Only 1 of the 4 new arenas has no obstacles and all of them are bigger than the old arena we've had to suffer these past chronicles, so you have a 25% chance of not getting into an arena that makes heavy speed reduction UD's almost useless.
Like I sad:
True that. When my UDs are off a Duelist can hit me very very hard.
I guess you either didnt read my post or you didnt read it entirely.
First, a cheater is not only someone who is using PvP programs. Level 85/80/80/80 "former" bots have already a considerable advantage, even if you dont cheat right now.
I never said that only unlegits do Oly, most ppl like to do their 9/15 matches, some are even prepared to fight in case they meet other legits, heck, some fight anyway, even against hero :). Everybody can win a naked or relogging char just doing their matches, sso with luck anyone can be in top 10%, one of our ppl even finished second at level 81 in former Franz, so I dont say it is impossible, far from it, I just said heroes are fed and unlegit, not everyone doing oly, nor that legits can never win bots, it may happen.
It will be easier than you think to feed, as I said, just keep your numbers high. I mean, all train will play against ppl with 9/15 matches and harvest their points, then go in a wave with the future hero to get rid of those points, then farm some more, etc. It will not be as easy as before, 100% true, but will still be easy enough, it will depend more on luck tho, one meeting with a serious opponent and a lot of those farmed points are lost, and matches are not unlimited, therefore it will be better to have more trains than before to maximise chances, so the ppl with more money will shine even more.
M
Whatever you say... I still didn't learn that it's impossible to argue with you ^^
Just wanted to ask something about olympiad services suspended message.
Message service won't be available from february 1 to 15 and we should claim our rewards once the services are up again... I get that but will I have to have 15 matches or 9 as minimun to get the reward?
If this question is answered on the previous posts, sorry... I don't mean of a spam.
Just wanted to ask something about olympiad services suspended message.
Message service won't be available from february 1 to 15 and we should claim our rewards once the services are up again... I get that but will I have to have 15 matches or 9 as minimun to get the reward?
If this question is answered on the previous posts, sorry... I don't mean of a spam.
Olympiad players will only need to do 9 matches in January. We believe that the Olympiad Tokens will remain despite the changes, but we will test this to make sure.
with the new olympiad system people who are going for hero will not have to camp
the npc for 6 hours per day...this means that those persons can have more fun with
the game and offer more services to their parties/clan.
ps: i am wondering how much thinking promi will invest into this trying to find
the best possible combination of feeding waves :P
with the new olympiad system people who are going for hero will not have to camp
the npc for 6 hours per day...this means that those persons can have more fun with
the game and offer more services to their parties/clan.
ps: i am wondering how much thinking promi will invest into this trying to find
the best possible combination of feeding waves :P
Lol. Many people are for sure gonna' have a LOT more time on their hands. For 'some' people it's gonna' be like early retirement or getting fired from a job or something. :P
Speaking of Olympiad: Could you please fix the camera controls? Or better yet, throw them out and replace them with something which actually works properly? I tried to record some Olympiad matches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHlJusId-YI&hd=1), and the results are nausea-inducing ... Even a quick tap on any of the WASDEC-keys moves the camera by something like 1/5th of the whole Olympiad stadium size or more ...