Third Tier
1) Polaris
2) Noc
3) LunaticCafe
4) Elolympio
Dead Clans
1) YeahRight (whatever happened to these scrubs?)
2) Olympian Guards
Scrub Clans (should just fold and merge into a tiered clan)
1) Boss (who were these guys that had Gludio - seemed to just get slaughtered last Sunday)
2) Darknessreborn
3) RidersontheStorm
4) legionofdivine
5) AncientHeroes
6) Restlessnights
7) TheblackDawn
8) VoiceofJustice
9) Dosshouse (Eattherich keeps posting so I'll presume his clan is out there, no proof of botting or using programs so in non-cheat for now)
Scrub Clans (should just fold and merge into a tiered clan)
1) RisingPhoenix
2) Lost
3) Camelot
help me out I know I'm missing lots. Name your clan and i'll edit this and give u a spot on list.
If your putting balance and nova up as top alliance shouldn't they by the 3rd power? Or am I missing something? Could Swear they have 2 of the top 3 castles on the server I guess they are doing something wrong lol
And what constitutes 3rd, 4th, and scrub clans to you? Without any definition its a pointless post.
Then you have lunaticCafe a clan of 16 people level 5 as a level 4 tier clan level 10 clans as scrub clans? Seriously how are you even listing any of this lol
If we are talking about whos DAILY pvping we should put like that.
First Tier ( the only that realy matter )
1) Nova
2) Balance (Emnty + Immortalss)
3) Rdogs + Bregan
4) FS
5) IN
i put those in the order of power atm. First is nova since they win most of the pvps and mass pvps , second comes balance that faces them most of the time , and very close or 2gether with RDOGS and Bregan ( Bregan shows alot for pvp and do very good , but no 2way war with nova ) . FS is .. well ... FS lol , always losing but keep 2way with nova . at the last of the first tier list comes IN wich also have 2way war with every1 , cept nova , but we flag back if its a gf ( no reason to flag back in a xp party vs a grp set up ) . at the mass pvps we are also worst in numbers and lvls atm , sicne nova got the best party from IN and many other members b4.
SECOND TIER
2) AE and DW only since are the only 2 that put wars up vs us even losing.
Dead Clans
1) Vengence (merged to nova and a few to balance and a few quit)
2) YeahRight (they merged to RDOGS and their best party went to nova)
3) Olympian Guards
i put OG cuz they were the power house clan in deavine b4 the merges, and IMMOS got lucky that their leader had to go to the army , and the clan fell apart going every1 to IMMOS , and atm the old leader came back from the army and its trying to rebuild , stole many members from this clan already, and i hope they actualy rebuild , :p i think OG would have being alot stronger that this balance ally , since CrazyMind ( og leader ) is a very good person , good decisions always for every member hehe , Chudo is just a scrub that took IMMOS , also if Abalon still played .. immos would be pimped .
Carebears clans that dont pvp big clans or dont pvp at all even with eachother.
2) RisingPhoenix
3) Lost
4) RidersontheStorm
5) legionofdivine
6) Camelot
7) AncientHeroes
8) Restlessnights
9) TheblackDawn
10) VoiceofJustice
11) Polaris
12) Noc
13) LunaticCafe
14) InnerSphere (castle is being hold with IN help)
15) AG
16)BOSS(organized clan , prob will merge with some other clan [i hope at least])
there are alot more .. those clan doesnt matter when it comes to big things , i think some of them should merge to some other big clan to start pvp. :p
Cr4p TIER
oh ya forgot the Cr4p tier , theres only 1 clan in it
Rdogs drop the two way war against nova? Looking for confirmation.
IN has 4+ alt clans; over 50% of their members doing afk power leveling in fog daily. These alt-clans are purely PvE. Should we consider them as part of IN when we discussing PvP ranking?
If we are talking about whos DAILY pvping we should put like that.
First Tier ( the only that realy matter )
1) Nova
2) Balance (Emnty + Immortalss)
3) Rdogs + Bregan
4) FS
5) IN
i put those in the order of power atm. First is nova since they win most of the pvps and mass pvps , second comes balance that faces them most of the time , and very close or 2gether with RDOGS and Bregan ( Bregan shows alot for pvp and do very good , but no 2way war with nova ) . FS is .. well ... FS lol , always losing but keep 2way with nova . at the last of the first tier list comes IN wich also have 2way war with every1 , cept nova , but we flag back if its a gf ( no reason to flag back in a xp party vs a grp set up ) . at the mass pvps we are also worst in numbers and lvls atm , sicne nova got the best party from IN and many other members b4.
SECOND TIER
2) AE and DW only since are the only 2 that put wars up vs us even losing.
Dead Clans
1) Vengence (merged to nova and a few to balance and a few quit)
2) YeahRight (they merged to RDOGS and their best party went to nova)
3) Olympian Guards
i put OG cuz they were the power house clan in deavine b4 the merges, and IMMOS got lucky that their leader had to go to the army , and the clan fell apart going every1 to IMMOS , and atm the old leader came back from the army and its trying to rebuild , stole many members from this clan already, and i hope they actualy rebuild , :p i think OG would have being alot stronger that this balance ally , since CrazyMind ( og leader ) is a very good person , good decisions always for every member hehe , Chudo is just a scrub that took IMMOS , also if Abalon still played .. immos would be pimped .
Carebears clans that dont pvp big clans or dont pvp at all even with eachother.
2) RisingPhoenix
3) Lost
4) RidersontheStorm
5) legionofdivine
6) Camelot
7) AncientHeroes
8) Restlessnights
9) TheblackDawn
10) VoiceofJustice
11) Polaris
12) Noc
13) LunaticCafe
14) InnerSphere (castle is being hold with IN help)
15) AG
16)BOSS(organized clan , prob will merge with some other clan [i hope at least])
there are alot more .. those clan doesnt matter when it comes to big things , i think some of them should merge to some other big clan to start pvp. :p
Cr4p TIER
oh ya forgot the Cr4p tier , theres only 1 clan in it
1) El Olympo
They are very pathetic as always.
dont forget lolkotolol that u once try to enter eo and u were refused.
its nice to talk **** about clans where u used to be like camelol.
SECOND TIER
2) AE and DW only since are the only 2 that put wars up vs us even losing.
Last time I saw your clan out of town you got smashed twice at both Tiat and Freya on the same day. After that you even changed raid times as I never saw you again doing raids same time as we do. Also enjoy last days of having castle as you gonna lose it on Sunday.
( Bregan shows alot for pvp and do very good , but no 2way war with nova )
Hummm Bregan has 2 Way war with nova i can say it.
the bregan/rdogs alliance has a castle that we cannot take because they have so many people in their clan. I don't understand how you have so many people to defend a castle on the weekends
And Balance is still in 2nd most powerfull clan , They can same not take back theyr castle from us ( bregan/Rdog ) with theyr own alliance.
my clan lost 2 euro partys also , and we changed raid times due we lack players . btw , we dont have a castle anymore since having a castle is useless with out wards. lmao u can show up ty for ur info , :p
actualy flypsi , balance isnt one clan cuz emnty and immortals are both from old school times and they wont leave theri names behind to join into one clan like nova is.
Shows how stwong your clan itself is alone. Can't even get wards so "getting a castle is useless". And Balance is still the 2nd most powerful ALLIANCE, as confirmed by your post...lol.
1- That clannies don't grind on alt pve clans to avoid pvp.
2- Don't use radar or any program to avoid pvp or get easy targets.
3- Where members do not get xp sleeping due to acc sharing.
4- Really cares and boot members that bot/ebay.
1- That clannies don't grind on alt pve clans to avoid pvp.
2- Don't use radar or any program to avoid pvp or get easy targets.
3- Where members do not get xp sleeping due to acc sharing.
4- Really cares and boot members that bot/ebay.
Anyone?
You should know the answer to this.... it doesn't exist. L2 has been bot heaven since 2006.
1- That clannies don't grind on alt pve clans to avoid pvp.
2- Don't use radar or any program to avoid pvp or get easy targets.
3- Where members do not get xp sleeping due to acc sharing.
4- Really cares and boot members that bot/ebay.
Anyone?
Like he said, you can probably have all that if you remove the word "top" from the first line of your post.
It's a vicious circle, one top clan starts cheating, and the others have to do the same, otherwise they cannot compete anymore. Sure, there are probably quite a few legit people in the top clans, but they simply knowingly profit from what the non-legits do or have done in the past (over the last couple years), so they are "tainted", too. So you either are not "top", or you decide to join one of those clans and close your eyes to the fact that clannie A is an adena seller, clannie B is on his 5th toon after the last 4 were banned for botting/auto cp spam/whatever and even on this toon he is using programs for oly, clannie C is the clan bicycle, everybody gets a ride when the account is needed, and clannie D is the one to ask if you have trouble getting radar to run. In exchange for that, you get a chance at getting some epics without having to buy them in Giran, and the party you're in lasts a bit longer than 2.5 seconds at a siege.
Last time I saw your clan out of town you got smashed twice at both Tiat and Freya on the same day. After that you even changed raid times as I never saw you again doing raids same time as we do. Also enjoy last days of having castle as you gonna lose it on Sunday.
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InnerSphere a third tier clan? Are you for real? LAWL Look, in all honesty, IS sucks and everyone knows it. They're terribad at pvp, and they hold a castle only because a **** ton of other clans sign to help them defend (and then still get 11 parties wiped by 1 Nova party). If you want anyone to take this listing seriously you had best fix that.
Like he said, you can probably have all that if you remove the word "top" from the first line of your post.
It's a vicious circle, one top clan starts cheating, and the others have to do the same, otherwise they cannot compete anymore. Sure, there are probably quite a few legit people in the top clans, but they simply knowingly profit from what the non-legits do or have done in the past (over the last couple years), so they are "tainted", too. So you either are not "top", or you decide to join one of those clans and close your eyes to the fact that clannie A is an adena seller, clannie B is on his 5th toon after the last 4 were banned for botting/auto cp spam/whatever and even on this toon he is using programs for oly, clannie C is the clan bicycle, everybody gets a ride when the account is needed, and clannie D is the one to ask if you have trouble getting radar to run. In exchange for that, you get a chance at getting some epics without having to buy them in Giran, and the party you're in lasts a bit longer than 2.5 seconds at a siege.
Like he said, you can probably have all that if you remove the word "top" from the first line of your post.
It's a vicious circle, one top clan starts cheating, and the others have to do the same, otherwise they cannot compete anymore.
it shouldnt be thats ncs responsibility - only analogy i can think of is the diff between mr palm n his friends v a real life person :-S some get the same result but its more rewarding the real way ^^
InnerSphere a third tier clan? Are you for real? LAWL Look, in all honesty, IS sucks and everyone knows it. They're terribad at pvp, and they hold a castle only because a **** ton of other clans sign to help them defend (and then still get 11 parties wiped by 1 Nova party). If you want anyone to take this listing seriously you had best fix that.
idk much about them only personal experience ive had is them calling ambereye to kill me but not returning wars - they hold heine ? traditionally the home of pve clans with helpers n the one castle no one really wants to be bothered running too ^^
idk much about them only personal experience ive had is them calling ambereye to kill me but not returning wars - they hold heine ? traditionally the home of pve clans with helpers n the one castle no one really wants to be bothered running too ^^
idk much about them only personal experience ive had is them calling ambereye to kill me but not returning wars - they hold heine ? traditionally the home of pve clans with helpers n the one castle no one really wants to be bothered running too ^^
1- Nova
2-Immortals
2a-Enmity
3-bregan
3a-rdogs
3b-FS
a distant 4th- IN as a clan absolutely awful.. but a few good players.
Everyone else is irrelevant... which is sad that there are literally soo many clans that are just raging wimps and wont fight... if even half of the carebear players competed it would make pvp huge.
Everyone else is irrelevant... which is sad that there are literally soo many clans that are just raging wimps and wont fight... if even half of the carebear players competed it would make pvp huge.
Even the top PvP clans don't really PvP anymore... their programs do it for them.
As for the carebears competing... you are either stupid or haven't played the game much.
+7 to +20 weapons and full epics from an effectively endless supply of adena after years of ebay and botting to win at any cost vs the best of the non-cheat crowd in +3 vesper/vorpal/few epics. We all know how this is going to end...
Most of the cheat clans are actually horrid players who don't know what most of their own class skills do... but it doesn't matter as they don't have to know anything due to their programs doing the actual playing.
Nevermind the cheat clans auto-target, auto-res, auto-play, auto equip, radar, and perma-pot spam while the rest of us lag...
Another sad thing... even if the PvE clans decided to play like the cheat clans... the lag would be unbearable.
Even the top PvP clans don't really PvP anymore... their programs do it for them.
As for the carebears competing... you are either stupid or haven't played the game much.
+7 to +20 weapons and full epics from an effectively endless supply of adena after years of ebay and botting to win at any cost vs the best of the non-cheat crowd in +3 vesper/vorpal/few epics. We all know how this is going to end...
Most of the cheat clans are actually horrid players who don't know what most of their own class skills do... but it doesn't matter as they don't have to know anything due to their programs doing the actual playing.
Nevermind the cheat clans auto-target, auto-res, auto-play, auto equip, radar, and perma-pot spam while the rest of us lag...
Another sad thing... even if the PvE clans decided to play like the cheat clans... the lag would be unbearable.
wow its someones time of the month really now , just blame it on lag!
1- Nova
2-Immortals
2a-Enmity
3-bregan
3a-rdogs
3b-FS
a distant 4th- IN as a clan absolutely awful.. but a few good players.
Everyone else is irrelevant... which is sad that there are literally soo many clans that are just raging wimps and wont fight... if even half of the carebear players competed it would make pvp huge.
Did it ever occur to you that some people play the game for its other 90% of content? Go back to your FPS so you can have your cake and eat it too. You just proved how "irrelevant" you are.
Even the top PvP clans don't really PvP anymore... their programs do it for them.
As for the carebears competing... you are either stupid or haven't played the game much.
+7 to +20 weapons and full epics from an effectively endless supply of adena after years of ebay and botting to win at any cost vs the best of the non-cheat crowd in +3 vesper/vorpal/few epics. We all know how this is going to end...
Most of the cheat clans are actually horrid players who don't know what most of their own class skills do... but it doesn't matter as they don't have to know anything due to their programs doing the actual playing.
Nevermind the cheat clans auto-target, auto-res, auto-play, auto equip, radar, and perma-pot spam while the rest of us lag...
Another sad thing... even if the PvE clans decided to play like the cheat clans... the lag would be unbearable.
+10 to the 100th degree for this post. I suck at pvp and its funny when I get to one on one some of the people from the so-called top clans I can even beat them. And I am way undergeared in comparison too. Maybe that is why the "lamos" ohh i mean "heroes" are always asking for 9v9 because they know they cant win a fight in 1v1.
We haven't been at each other's throats in so long I would have thought you had forgotten about me and all my super-awesomeness.
Glad to see that I'm still fresh in your mind and close to your heart!
Besides, you know that Thalenduros essentially speaks the truth.
WWW
Not rearry. It's the same "argument" I've heard in so many posts. Why is it I've seen a handful of legits take out people in pvp that were accused of botting, using programs, ebaying, etc? Not THEIR fault that more than half of this server PVP's with their elbows and once they lose, they blame it on lag, cheats, or the fact that every person that is better than them at pvp is a level 85 100% 300 weapon full epic 120 resist on their +6 MW armor set botter.
The so-called "top clans" in fact are eternal losers by default, since they can't do jack without blatant cheating.
every person that is better than them at pvp
Bolded the false part of your statement.
If the aforementioned "better person" was actually good, I emphasize, ANY GOOD at pvp, they wouldn't have to resort to cheating. Yet they do. Period.
Auto-spam of CP, auto-targeting, targets' class/equipment auto-detection, auto-assist, auto-use of skills, etc etc etc.
You don't even need to be a GM to find it out, just read what some bragging fools write about their "awesome pvp skills" and you'll see.
Here's what a certain member of one of those "top clans" once posted in another forum:
I could have launched ***** and go afk till the end of siege, and that wonderful program would be doing everything perfectly. Only a couple of people in our clan don't use it.
I don't care to know if he was exaggerating or not, the facts speak for themselves.
I, same as lots of other decent players, am totally not interested in robot wars.
Years ago, rampant botting has created a huge gap between cheaters and legit players, PvE-wise.
Nowadays, certain PvP-assisting programs have completely destroyed the very meaning of PvP. It's "program vs program" now. If you are still excited about this new and revamped "pvp", more power to you.
P.S. Flipsy, I've seen quite a few of your idols (I mean those self-proclaimed "pvp gods") lose Oly fights so pathetically that the only explanation to that would be that they forgot to turn on their smart software, having thus revealed how terrible they actually are. Or maybe it's them who are used to playing with their elbows, who knows.
/shrugs
Well with that statement we all know you don't pvp, Aconyte. Well, with a few of your statements, at least. Don't take my post completely out of context like that and then comment on it, you'd make a bad politician. EVERY PVP that I see, end-game or otherwise, the losing side calls the winning side a bot, ebayer, cheater, program user. It's like a basic initiation for players in this game.
P.S. Aconyte, olympiad is open world pvp where you can use CP potions? Could have fooled me!
Even the top PvP clans don't really PvP anymore... their programs do it for them.
As for the carebears competing... you are either stupid or haven't played the game much.
+7 to +20 weapons and full epics from an effectively endless supply of adena after years of ebay and botting to win at any cost vs the best of the non-cheat crowd in +3 vesper/vorpal/few epics. We all know how this is going to end...
Most of the cheat clans are actually horrid players who don't know what most of their own class skills do... but it doesn't matter as they don't have to know anything due to their programs doing the actual playing.
Nevermind the cheat clans auto-target, auto-res, auto-play, auto equip, radar, and perma-pot spam while the rest of us lag...
Another sad thing... even if the PvE clans decided to play like the cheat clans... the lag would be unbearable.
This is classic thought process of a carebear non factor... "we cant compete look at their shiny weapons and all their trash talk... and omg the programs!!!"
believe it or not, not every player in these "top clans" use programs/bot/cheat/ebay... yes i would agree it is prolly 50/50... but in general its just your attitude that keeps players at your level.. if you had any sort of go getter attitude you would easily be able to compete. You carebears are just unwilling to do anything that isnt handed to you.. many of you dont even make proper parties, you exp in insufficient ways, and you gear yourself completely *** backwards..
You sir are a mental midget, did it ever occur to you that some people play the game for its other 90% of content? Go back to your FPS so you can have your cake and eat it too. You just proved how "irrelevant" you are.
This is a PvP game.. it is supposed to be played in a PvP manor.. The reason you say other people play this game for the 90% of the other game content is because you cannot **** it at the big leagues.. Im glad your able to say how you feel on Lineage2.com official boards cuz your obviously incapable of doing anything relevant in game...
thus my original statement is validated... other than the clans listed, every other clan is irrelevant.
i just love and lol alot when botters use expression "carebears" since this botters are the biggest carebears...or i cannot understand how they were able to manage their 8x levels and top equip :D lol...
This is a PvP game.. it is supposed to be played in a PvP manor.. The reason you say other people play this game for the 90% of the other game content is because you cannot **** it at the big leagues.. Im glad your able to say how you feel on Lineage2.com official boards cuz your obviously incapable of doing anything relevant in game...
thus my original statement is validated... other than the clans listed, every other clan is irrelevant.
pvp game is GuildWars....why would mobs be in this game world then ? lol :D
1- Nova
2-Immortals
2a-Enmity
3-bregan
3a-rdogs
3b-FS
a distant 4th- IN as a clan absolutely awful.. but a few good players.
Everyone else is irrelevant... which is sad that there are literally soo many clans that are just raging wimps and wont fight... if even half of the carebear players competed it would make pvp huge.
Only undesputed are 1st and 4th positio- nova and IN
all clans between them are questionable places but sure between 1 and 4 place and sure are close as a full force clan.I can not say who is better FS or bregans/Rdgods cause we act in a coalition way and never fighted each others.But FS clan captured Goddard castle from Immortals (clan vs clan) and defended it even last push it was FS vs Imos+Enmity.But that was like a month ago everything changes so nothing is constant.
i just love and lol alot when botters use expression "carebears" since this botters are the biggest carebears...or i cannot understand how they were able to manage their 8x levels and top equip :D lol...
pvp game is GuildWars....why would mobs be in this game world then ? lol :D
Im a lvl 85 titan(80 cardi/76AM/76 gk subs)... i have a lvl 85 HK(80/80/80 subs), a level 83 DC, a lvl 83 pp, a lvl 81 bd, a lvl 84 EE, a 83 sws, and a 79 arcana lord...
ive never botted anything and dont use illegal programs.. and believe it or not a lot of "top players" havent either..
The difference between us and you is we play the game to win and we play it effeciently.. We dont exp in pick up bad groups.. we exp in aoe groups at the best aoe spots and use bday buffs/maintainence pots/nevitts as we log in and out...
good players do things better than bad players.. its just that simple.. that doesnt go just for pvp..
and its mostly the attitudes that are displayed here by you all that shows the reasoning to why you guys dont compete.
EVERY PVP that I see, end-game or otherwise, the losing side calls the winning side a bot, ebayer, cheater, program user. It's like a basic initiation for players in this game.
true, however for the bot players n the ppl that are cool with it they know how much difference it makes - imagine someone that never used a program or ebayed 1a - they dont know. I know that ppl not cheating wont make me any better lol im not delusional - but because ive not chosen to be lvld afk etc i have a fairly low comprehension of how wide a gap that creates.
This is classic thought process of a carebear non factor... "we cant compete look at their shiny weapons and all their trash talk... and omg the programs!!!"
believe it or not, not every player in these "top clans" use programs/bot/cheat/ebay... yes i would agree it is prolly 50/50... but in general its just your attitude that keeps players at your level.. if you had any sort of go getter attitude you would easily be able to compete. You carebears are just unwilling to do anything that isnt handed to you.. many of you dont even make proper parties, you exp in insufficient ways, and you gear yourself completely *** backwards..
Normally I don't comment on such ludicrous statements, but this one really tugged at my heart strings. I feel sorry for people with TODS and try to help when I can.
What is a non-factor in your mind? Is it someone that plays the game the way they would like to even if it is not the way you play? Please explain for the rest of us
Ohh, yes some of us do have a "go getter" attitude, however adult responsibilities (something you may or may not have to experience) prevents us from having the time required to get to that level you are. Even if you did get there by manual operation, it still take many hours of consistent play.
Bottom line is it has nothing to do with taking something for free or go getter attitude. It has everything to do with playing a game the way one finds it enjoyable.
Im a lvl 85 titan(80 cardi/76AM/76 gk subs)... i have a lvl 85 HK(80/80/80 subs), a level 83 DC, a lvl 83 pp, a lvl 81 bd, a lvl 84 EE, a 83 sws, and a 79 arcana lord...
ive never botted anything and dont use illegal programs.. and believe it or not a lot of "top players" havent either..
The difference between us and you is we play the game to win and we play it effeciently.. We dont exp in pick up bad groups.. we exp in aoe groups at the best aoe spots and use bday buffs/maintainence pots/nevitts as we log in and out...
good players do things better than bad players.. its just that simple.. that doesnt go just for pvp..
and its mostly the attitudes that are displayed here by you all that shows the reasoning to why you guys dont compete.
Seems you are outnumbered in those attitudes now doesn't it?
Give us the names of your super toons and where you level at, also your board name on that kindergarten website for L2
true, however for the bot players n the ppl that are cool with it they know how much difference it makes - imagine someone that never used a program or ebayed 1a - they dont know. I know that ppl not cheating wont make me any better lol im not delusional - but because ive not chosen to be lvld afk etc i have a fairly low comprehension of how wide a gap that creates.
it only makes a difference if you're unable to comprehend how to strategize in a fight or understand basic things...soooooo 90% of the people that complain :D. I'm sure I've played with or fought with people that have used a program or ebayed, and skill sets are different just based on basic comprehension of the game and how to play. Some people just catch on quickly, and others think that cheating will automatically make them good.
yeah i get it - ive died to ppl when i shouldnt cos im slow n seen heros bsoe cos they are **** i was just trying to say theres a grey area :-P dont assume that everyone who cries bot is bs sometimes u cant tell the difference ^^
This is a PvP game.. it is supposed to be played in a PvP manor.. The reason you say other people play this game for the 90% of the other game content is because you cannot **** it at the big leagues.. Im glad your able to say how you feel on Lineage2.com official boards cuz your obviously incapable of doing anything relevant in game...
thus my original statement is validated... other than the clans listed, every other clan is irrelevant.
lol spoken like a true narrow minded pvp'r.
pvpr's cant see anything else L2 has to offer & it shows in hero chat.
90% of all that comes out of hero chat is just:
OMG You Sux soo Bad!!! & I am SOOOOO AWESOME!!!!
lol cant you guys ever say anything else in hero chat ? lol
yeah i get it - ive died to ppl when i shouldnt cos im slow n seen heros bsoe cos they are **** i was just trying to say theres a grey area :-P dont assume that everyone who cries bot is bs sometimes u cant tell the difference ^^
Normally I don't comment on such ludicrous statements, but this one really tugged at my heart strings. I feel sorry for people with TODS and try to help when I can.
What is a non-factor in your mind? Is it someone that plays the game the way they would like to even if it is not the way you play? Please explain for the rest of us
Ohh, yes some of us do have a "go getter" attitude, however adult responsibilities (something you may or may not have to experience) prevents us from having the time required to get to that level you are. Even if you did get there by manual operation, it still take many hours of consistent play.
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after 4-5 years of L2.. if your not at atleast 81-82... then youve dun somethign seriously wrong... even if you average 5 hours a game time a week.. after 5 years... thats 1300 hours... if youve put 1300 hours into anything chances are you should be looking pretty good.
So a non factor is a person who complains about bots/ebayers/cheaters in a 6 year old game where by now everyone should atleast be mid 80's... individuals who are so terrible at playing they are unable to compete even against other terrible incapable players..
Seems you are outnumbered in those attitudes now doesn't it?
Give us the names of your super toons and where you level at, also your board name on that kindergarten website for L2
im not outnumbered.. im just arguing on Lineage2 official..
This is classic thought process of a carebear non factor... "we cant compete look at their shiny weapons and all their trash talk... and omg the programs!!!"
believe it or not, not every player in these "top clans" use programs/bot/cheat/ebay... yes i would agree it is prolly 50/50...
Can your clan stop to use "the programs"? I mean, completely stop and never do it again. If they can, why don't they?
Im a lvl 85 titan(80 cardi/76AM/76 gk subs)... i have a lvl 85 HK(80/80/80 subs), a level 83 DC, a lvl 83 pp, a lvl 81 bd, a lvl 84 EE, a 83 sws, and a 79 arcana lord...
ive never botted anything and dont use illegal programs.. and believe it or not a lot of "top players" havent either..
The difference between us and you is we play the game to win and we play it effeciently.. We dont exp in pick up bad groups.. we exp in aoe groups at the best aoe spots and use bday buffs/maintainence pots/nevitts as we log in and out...
good players do things better than bad players.. its just that simple.. that doesnt go just for pvp..
and its mostly the attitudes that are displayed here by you all that shows the reasoning to why you guys dont compete.
What is the definition of winning ? Last time i checked winning or finishing a MMORPG is impossible. When you 1 shot Valy or anthy..yes then you haven won. Till then please!!
Technically he hasn't won. He stated "play the game to win". I play every game I play with an intent of winning, even if there is no real way to win, and I'm sure other people do the same. Reason for doing that is to give a false sense of need for improvement, namely because you want to be the best, but there will always be someone better. Why would you play a game to not win (even if it is unbeatable like an MMO)? Last I checked, that's the point of every game in certain aspects.
85 is definitely achievable w/o botting. NcSoft was trying to close the gap with all the vit events and double xp weekends the past 6 months.
Now top clans = whichever clan has the most fun! It's a people game. What's the point in playing if you're not enjoying it and the people you play with.
Technically he hasn't won. He stated "play the game to win". I play every game I play with an intent of winning, even if there is no real way to win, and I'm sure other people do the same. Reason for doing that is to give a false sense of need for improvement, namely because you want to be the best, but there will always be someone better. Why would you play a game to not win (even if it is unbeatable like an MMO)? Last I checked, that's the point of every game in certain aspects.
Arent you contradicting yourself flips? You play every game too win even if there is no real way too win?
An MMorpg has no end, too win their has too be an end otherwise you cant calculate in whatever way that you have won.
Maybe a better question would be, what do you define as winning in Lineage 2 ?
Why i play games:
Company of Heroes because alot of my old buddies still play it(sometimes even C&C)
UT or CS just enjoyable, stress relief
L2: love too pvp/grind and reach(read skills or gear or whatever)that is earned through hard work esp in L2
In short i play the games becoz next too my job,gf, work and family. Games connect me too old friends new friends which isnt possible too keep up in RL..meaning if i had too visit them all, it wouldnt be possible.
Seems you are outnumbered in those attitudes now doesn't it?
Give us the names of your super toons and where you level at, also your board name on that kindergarten website for L2
Or the fact that we've all given up talking to ******ed carebears who don't understand or cannot comprehend how to utilize the game mechanics in your favor.
These people will never know what 200mil/xp hour feels or looks like, or what it is like to pvp within a group of individuals who know their role and perform that role well.
doesnt even need to be 200m xp/ hour lol... if u have a normal xp at fog solo or stakto or lower gc is already fine to get lvl 85 fast , spetialy after doble xp weekend and xmas gifts lol...
aoe green isnt that hard also.. just need the titan with crit stun 150 holy and with good dark resists and buffs ...
Comprehending the game mechanics is not hard. But it's not enough for utilizing it in your favor. You still need both access to account pools with proper toon builds and control over contestable ingame resources. And cheating people have the upper hand on both (botting/buying/sharing accounts, as well as getting your proggie-using clannies to help you secure the top spots).
doesnt even need to be 200m xp/ hour lol... if u have a normal xp at fog solo or stakto or lower gc is already fine to get lvl 85 fast , spetialy after doble xp weekend and xmas gifts lol...
aoe green isnt that hard also.. just need the titan with crit stun 150 holy and with good dark resists and buffs ...
Actually Plains of Lizardman solo > better xp then aoe for bow users.
With nevit's blessing i get between 300k - 450k a kill and the kills are 1 - 2 hits.
Simply stated 10 mobs = 4.5 mil xp 100 mobs = 45 mil xp. I can kill probably 200 - 300 mobs an hour. Easily making 90 - 125 mil an hour without having all these specials classes etc. I usually do 5% within 90 minutes at 81. I do that everyday but i have stopped since xp is greatly reduced needed in high 5 so I would just be wasting my time since in high five it be like 11 - 13% every 90 minutes saving me hours of time.
Arent you contradicting yourself flips? You play every game too win even if there is no real way too win?
An MMorpg has no end, too win their has too be an end otherwise you cant calculate in whatever way that you have won.
The game is recreational. It's the only (legit) use of it (and you don't farm it for living, don't you?).
How come?
Even if you farmed it, it isn't really winning anyway. It's just a "job". Like using Mexicans to mow lawns that you picked up from Home Depot. Probably illegal, but useful!
How come? If it wasn't a game to "win" (and I use quotations cuz there isn't an ending to the game, technically), there would be no levels, gear gaps, and pvp.
Arent you contradicting yourself flips? You play every game too win even if there is no real way too win?
An MMorpg has no end, too win their has too be an end otherwise you cant calculate in whatever way that you have won.
Maybe a better question would be, what do you define as winning in Lineage 2 ?
Why i play games:
Company of Heroes because alot of my old buddies still play it(sometimes even C&C)
UT or CS just enjoyable, stress relief
L2: love too pvp/grind and reach(read skills or gear or whatever)that is earned through hard work esp in L2
In short i play the games becoz next too my job,gf, work and family. Games connect me too old friends new friends which isnt possible too keep up in RL..meaning if i had too visit them all, it wouldnt be possible.
What game is there no point in playing to win? The only game that comes to my mind that you HAVE to lose is either Star Ocean or Mega Man X, but those aren't actual losing the game, you just have to throw the boss fight(s) to progress to beat the game. To me, winning is just being the best. Some people can only be the best with end-game gear, some with skill, winning is what YOU make of it. To me, winning is being the best. However, I know someone will always be better than me, so there's always room for improvement.
doesnt even need to be 200m xp/ hour lol... if u have a normal xp at fog solo or stakto or lower gc is already fine to get lvl 85 fast , spetialy after doble xp weekend and xmas gifts lol...
aoe green isnt that hard also.. just need the titan with crit stun 150 holy and with good dark resists and buffs ...
Did you high-five the Intelligence Fairy and some IQ rubbed off on you? This is the first intelligent thing I've ever seen you post on these forums. I'm proud!
Even if you farmed it, it isn't really winning anyway. It's just a "job". Like using Mexicans to mow lawns that you picked up from Home Depot. Probably illegal, but useful!
Hi Maya. Please check the link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreation).
How come? If it wasn't a game to "win" (and I use quotations cuz there isn't an ending to the game, technically), there would be no levels, gear gaps, and pvp.
No, not really, no. Chess is a game to "win". Are there gear gaps in chess?
FPS games are the games to win. Are there "level" or gear gaps in popular FPS?
On the other hand, D&D table games were historically played to nicely spend time in a company of good friends. Are there levels and gear gaps on D&D, AD&D and the games based on them? Yep, plenty of levels and gear gaps. Actually, almost all level and gear grind ideas in the current "RPG" games came from there.
You don't need ingame level and gear differences between opponents to "PvP". Actually, the need to grind for such stuff undermines the whole idea of a free PvP world (go in, start fighting, have fun).
So, what's good in such a grind game then? The feeling of progression, of personal accomplishment. You've achieved something in the game, you met your goals, you feel good. Not "won over an opponent", but "made an ingame progress".
PvP in L2 is intended to provide you with a part of such grind goals. Unfortunately, if the game rules aren't enforced upon some players, these goals aren't achievable by grind.
No, not really, no. Chess is a game to "win". Are there gear gaps in chess?
FPS games are the games to win. Are there "level" or gear gaps in popular FPS?
On the other hand, D&D table games were historically played to nicely spend time in a company of good friends. Are there levels and gear gaps on D&D, AD&D and the games based on them? Yep, plenty of levels and gear gaps. Actually, almost all level and gear grind ideas in the current "RPG" games came from there.
You don't need ingame level and gear differences between opponents to "PvP". Actually, the need to grind for such stuff undermines the whole idea of a free PvP world (go in, start fighting, have fun).
So, what's good in such a grind game then? The feeling of progression, of personal accomplishment. You've achieved something in the game, you met your goals, you feel good. Not "won over an opponent", but "made an ingame progress".
PvP in L2 is intended to provide you with a part of such grind goals. Unfortunately, if the game rules aren't enforced upon some players, these goals aren't achievable by grind.
tbh i never said i won L2 or am winning.. (altho we win most of the time unless against nova).. i just said we play to win.. we just bring a different attitude...
for example) Now a days in game.. with normal game content.. it should not be difficult to make anywhere from 150-300m adena per week.. if you do 3 zakens, exp, raid with your clan, and do delusion chamber.. if you do this u should easily be able to pick up that amount.. now tell me.. are you really in need of ebay if your making that kind of money?...
ontop of that, chances are you guys arent spending any resources when it comes to cp pots/quick heal pots/ rediculous amounts of elixers/spirit ore/ and brezes..(altho zaken takes care of brez's for the most part)..so saving adena shouldnt be that hard to do..
ontop of that... right now, no clan can do anything more than any otehr clan in terms of raids/gearing your clan... You can do everything nova/immortals/enmity do in terms of gear for your clan... so for the life of me i jsut cant understand why you all are complaining... instead of whining here about better players, you should use that time to go raid frintezza
Im a lvl 85 titan(80 cardi/76AM/76 gk subs)... i have a lvl 85 HK(80/80/80 subs), a level 83 DC, a lvl 83 pp, a lvl 81 bd, a lvl 84 EE, a 83 sws, and a 79 arcana lord...
Got all that logged onto everyone of those characters from your home PC while you were at keys?
LF a top pvp clan:
1- That clannies don't grind on alt pve clans to avoid pvp. ~ any "factor pvp " clan member can verify this with IN
3- Where members do not get xp sleeping due to acc sharing. ~ Not provable, but obvious for IN levelling practices
4- Really cares and boot members that bot/ebay. ~ lvl 85 Nova transplant dagger allowed into Divine, Most of In applying to nova with a known history.
Anyone?
The difference between us and you
Wow, this is arrogant after considering the implications of how most of IN got to where it is, on the back of a very select few great players. I guess I will blame demia for not making a few titans available to Polaris and getting all of our boxes to 80+!!!
is we play the game to win and we play it effeciently.. We dont exp in pick up bad groups.. we exp in aoe groups at the best aoe spots and use bday buffs/maintainence pots/nevitts as we log in and out... So the IN group next to my hunting spot in FOG was way more efficient than me. 9 Players there, and they died to the mobs all by themselves. Got it, thanks for the clarification.
good players do things better than bad players.. its just that simple.. that doesnt go just for pvp..
and its mostly the attitudes that are displayed here by you all that shows the reasoning to why you guys dont compete.
I agree with most of this. But you have to consider the resources. Sometimes I am hesitant to ask who is lfg, because I know I will have to hurt feelings when those players that play differently than I do are the ones LFG all the time in chat. However, I weigh the pros and cons of the gamestyle you play, and the gamestyle I play, and I find my style much more to my liking. Label it however you like, just like none of my opinion affects you, remember your labels have the same affect...
- => 10 % of ppl refer to themselves as 'factors'......
=> 90 % apparently are 'non-factors'......
*proudly stands up* I'm a non-factor!!
I gladly accept responsibility for my irresponsibility, poor play style, inadequate use of in-game time, my incompetence of game mechanics, and my lack of drive to be the best of the best of the best…sir!
At this time, I would also confess my unwillingness to search for the better players in this game for whom could teach me, to open my eyes to all that I have done wrong to this point. I should have been more open and not afraid to approach the wise ones for guidance, to be shown the proper and most efficient way to gain experience.
I should have sought help each time I created a new character taking valuable time away from my main only to delete the character and invariably create another one in its place.
I know I should not have waited six years to only now begin to raise a pet. I know…I hold out my hands to be slapped.
I know I should not care about the many people I helped early on in the game and in their Lineage 2 careers. Back when a Bishop’s buffs were awesome if that is all you could get – no newbie buffs, no herbs and if no Prophet or SE were available – when people cried for Wind Walk and I happily obliged taking away from my XP time…I should have just turned my back and ported. I never should have followed the younglings around healing them or being their shield while they all gained experience and power.
Alas, I did not do any of that. I am a non-factor. I am, after six years, only level 68. My SE companion is only level 65 and her SK brother is only level 67. My Bounty Hunter, who back in her early days when being level 55 was high level, had a lust for avenging those who lost their lives to the reds. My level 66 Spellhowler is just a shadow of what she should be by now.
I am a non-factor. I should not be playing anymore. I am just wasting my time and evidently, your time as well. But I will not quit! No. I do have the ambition and goals to reach much higher levels and I will get there, but it will be on my terms. It will take longer, much longer than it should and that is okay with me…and until such time that I have obtained the glory and prestige that which is desired by so many, I will proudly be a non-factor.
So the IN group next to my hunting spot in FOG was way more efficient than me. 9 Players there, and they died to the mobs all by themselves. Got it, thanks for the clarification.
did u verify how many ppl were actualy in party? cuz tbh most of the partys here has 2-3 ppl max boxing everything.
<~ is not a pvper..... i pick and choose my fights ..and it's exceptionally rare..... Most of the time i'm usually just one shotted or whatever and it's usually always when i'm in the middle of pve.... either case i usually always am found in a bad positition to even fight back if i can.
I'll stick around for a fight if the lvls and gear are remotely appropriate.. i find the pvp at below lvl 76 quite interesting .... most fun.. lasts the longest too. Most recently was a run in with kiot, which i had no intention of fighting, but he/she whatever, brought it on... and being the class and lvl i was and poorly geared, vs i beleive he/she was lvling a destroyer, if i were to survive i would need to be strategic, and unfortunately kiot did not survive due to using the cata gk to my advantage to avoid getting 2 shotted, got help from a lowbie 50's beserker, and magic crit him in the end. Only to sincerely state it wasn't necessary, and read kiots responce to shut up and my winning strategy was weak.
Programs aside, if i know someones using them, and it's not hard to see, report and avoid.... i have no interest in feeding anyones ego with easy kills. But it's quite good to have managed to survive and kill someone that has been or continues to use them.... it's just rare
Got all that logged onto everyone of those characters from your home PC while you were at keys?
Wow, this is arrogant after considering the implications of how most of IN got to where it is, on the back of a very select few great players. I guess I will blame demia for not making a few titans available to Polaris and getting all of our boxes to 80+!!!
So the IN group next to my hunting spot in FOG was way more efficient than me. 9 Players there, and they died to the mobs all by themselves. Got it, thanks for the clarification.
I agree with most of this. But you have to consider the resources. Sometimes I am hesitant to ask who is lfg, because I know I will have to hurt feelings when those players that play differently than I do are the ones LFG all the time in chat. However, I weigh the pros and cons of the gamestyle you play, and the gamestyle I play, and I find my style much more to my liking. Label it however you like, just like none of my opinion affects you, remember your labels have the same affect...
im not in IN... they are terrible.. minus like 4-5 players in that clan they are nothing but 2boxes and unclanned titans.
And you can Ivy, you can play the game however you like and what suits you and thats fine and w.e... i never said it wasnt.. im just stating our case and showing people our side... ppl who sit in clan chat all day and spam lfg lfg!!... are absolutely useless.. its 6 year old game... if you are unable to find a group by now/are unable to level yourself then find a different game.. Hurting peoples feelings in a game is rediculous.. people who legitiamtely get angry over not getting into a exp party or lack of exp party or w.e are nothing but a drain on a clan and a waste of space.. they should sincerely consider playing a game that is less tailor'd for needing groups to exp...
i was simply stating that these are the characters i play and i did them legitly without any help of 3rd party prog/ebay...
I understand L2 official is like the official sactuary for carebears... i also understand that there is like a huge population of carebears/non factors on chronos and that wont change..
I simply stated that if the carebear population has no less material to do than any other top clan... the playing field atm is competely equal when it comes to getting gear... Some people all are just unwilling to take the steps needed to do so because they're comfortable with being 2nd rate... which is competely fine and their choice... but we arent.. we want to play like winners and be the best.. Its just a attitude difference between us and others.
I gladly accept responsibility for my irresponsibility, poor play style, inadequate use of in-game time, my incompetence of game mechanics, and my lack of drive to be the best of the best of the best…sir!
At this time, I would also confess my unwillingness to search for the better players in this game for whom could teach me, to open my eyes to all that I have done wrong to this point. I should have been more open and not afraid to approach the wise ones for guidance, to be shown the proper and most efficient way to gain experience.
I should have sought help each time I created a new character taking valuable time away from my main only to delete the character and invariably create another one in its place.
I know I should not have waited six years to only now begin to raise a pet. I know…I hold out my hands to be slapped.
I know I should not care about the many people I helped early on in the game and in their Lineage 2 careers. Back when a Bishop’s buffs were awesome if that is all you could get – no newbie buffs, no herbs and if no Prophet or SE were available – when people cried for Wind Walk and I happily obliged taking away from my XP time…I should have just turned my back and ported. I never should have followed the younglings around healing them or being their shield while they all gained experience and power.
Alas, I did not do any of that. I am a non-factor. I am, after six years, only level 68. My SE companion is only level 65 and her SK brother is only level 67. My Bounty Hunter, who back in her early days when being level 55 was high level, had a lust for avenging those who lost their lives to the reds. My level 66 Spellhowler is just a shadow of what she should be by now.
I am a non-factor. I should not be playing anymore. I am just wasting my time and evidently, your time as well. But I will not quit! No. I do have the ambition and goals to reach much higher levels and I will get there, but it will be on my terms. It will take longer, much longer than it should and that is okay with me…and until such time that I have obtained the glory and prestige that which is desired by so many, I will proudly be a non-factor.
After reading all this drama and hate. I makes me think that everyone hates everyone else. We all have something in common. We are all playing L2 for some fun.
Im in Peace Core and I am new to the game. I have been playing about 1.5 months now and its fun. Im a SD now too. I like everyone in IS and PC. Everyone is very nice.
It seems that everyone is concerned about who the best clan or player is. If you have botted, cheated and or ebay your way to the top. Then the only thing you have done is be the best at cheating.
I am also not the best player or have the best gear. Considering I have under 500k at all times and can barely afford to buy BSS.
If someone is botting and wants me to auto follow or has excess adena they want to give me just send in the mail.
btw im the Wrong Target. I dont play that much and would luv to get in parties in FoG or GC or somewhere I dont need to spam SS :)
every single little boy (yes we have some chics playing, but majority is males) while growing up, played sports (ok, maybe 99%) whether it was strictly in school in gym class, or enrolled in some sports class by parents, or just play something with friends after school (like soccer in the backyard or chess with gradpa, or Nintendo with a friend, whatever)
every single of those sports that little kids are coached to play since childhood (for whatever reason they do, socializing, making new friends, fun, way to get in shape etc) teach kids to try to achieve some form of *victory* in a *game* by becoming better then the opponent at the game, or outsmart them, or just be stronger.
Every kid was coached to play a game with the goal of trying to win it.
Last time i checked L2 was a game, what makes you think people will treat the L2 GAME with any different goal then what was programmed into them since very early childhood?
Rdogs drop the two way war against nova? Looking for confirmation.
IN has 4+ alt clans; over 50% of their members doing afk power leveling in fog daily. These alt-clans are purely PvE. Should we consider them as part of IN when we discussing PvP ranking?
Quit QQ, no one is 'afk' leveling.
Full - % for them.
All of our titans are level 85... we do not care about full loss.
Scrubs like Koto pretend to not know how its spelled so they can downplay us or they can justify why they were not accepted to our clan.
We are not that big anyway, I am even surprised we got a mention :S
PS: We do kick InnerSpheares *** on a regular basis!
You are EO, you do not matter.
did u verify how many ppl were actualy in party? cuz tbh most of the partys here has 2-3 ppl max boxing everything.
I party w/ 2 , sometimes 3 in FOG... and use 9.
im not in IN... they are terrible.. minus like 4-5 players in that clan they are nothing but 2boxes and unclanned titans.
And you can Ivy, you can play the game however you like and what suits you and thats fine and w.e... i never said it wasnt.. im just stating our case and showing people our side... ppl who sit in clan chat all day and spam lfg lfg!!... are absolutely useless.. its 6 year old game... if you are unable to find a group by now/are unable to level yourself then find a different game.. Hurting peoples feelings in a game is rediculous.. people who legitiamtely get angry over not getting into a exp party or lack of exp party or w.e are nothing but a drain on a clan and a waste of space.. they should sincerely consider playing a game that is less tailor'd for needing groups to exp...
Just stay out of my FOG spots and we will be cool.
Yes, mine.
every single little boy (yes we have some chics playing, but majority is males) while growing up, played sports (ok, maybe 99%) whether it was strictly in school in gym class, or enrolled in some sports class by parents, or just play something with friends after school (like soccer in the backyard or chess with gradpa, or Nintendo with a friend, whatever)
every single of those sports that little kids are coached to play since childhood (for whatever reason they do, socializing, making new friends, fun, way to get in shape etc) teach kids to try to achieve some form of *victory* in a *game* by becoming better then the opponent at the game, or outsmart them, or just be stronger.
Every kid was coached to play a game with the goal of trying to win it.
Last time i checked L2 was a game, what makes you think people will treat the L2 GAME with any different goal then what was programmed into them since very early childhood?
tbh i never said i won L2 or am winning.. (altho we win most of the time unless against nova).. i just said we play to win.. we just bring a different attitude...
The truth is... you don't play to win. You play "not to lose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_up_with_the_Joneses)".
And that causes the problem. When your neighbors start to cheat to look better than they can afford by playing by the rules, you (not personally, but as a clan), need to do the same to keep up.
ontop of that... right now, no clan can do anything more than any otehr clan in terms of raids/gearing your clan...
Not really true.
1. Baium ring. For most DDs it gives bigger PvE damage increase than making your weapon 300 element vs. 150.
2. Top grinding spots. Perma-taken by clans that can bring bot PvP parties to "protect" them.
You can do everything nova/immortals/enmity do in terms of gear for your clan... so for the life of me i jsut cant understand why you all are complaining...
Who's complaining?
instead of whining here about better players, you should use that time to go raid frintezza
Nah. Frintezza drops are measly 20-30 mil when split among all participants. Not worth unlogging my Giran shops :rolleyes:
(and yes, you really need a lot of different people with mostly no top levels, no boss jewels and no 300 weapons to take one down. And I don't even have an extra lvl 80 box to claim a double share)
And you can Ivy, you can play the game however you like and what suits you and thats fine and w.e... i never said it wasnt.. im just stating our case and showing people our side... exp...
I agree with you again. This age old argument in this game between top clans wishing to spark more players into pvp, and the comfortable 2nd tier of the majority will never change imo. It did make me reflect a bit though. I did enjoy my time in the pvp clan, it certainly added more to the game, so I think I can understand where a lot of you top end players are coming from.
Unfortunately, I just am not willing to look the other way to play on that level. I can't join an end game clan and just be friends with the legit people. I prefer to be in a clan where it is acceptable and even encouraged not to cheat to get there. I know we aren't clean, its impossible to find that anymore, but at least its not accepted.
We do raid the epic raids that are instanced, sometimes we fail, sometimes we don't. So I agree with you that there is plenty of oppurtunity to progress in the game. But krissa is correct in that less than 1% of our players have 3 or more non core/orfen boss jewels. Just my impressions.
every single little boy (yes we have some chics playing, but majority is males) while growing up, played sports (ok, maybe 99%) whether it was strictly in school in gym class, or enrolled in some sports class by parents, or just play something with friends after school (like soccer in the backyard or chess with gradpa, or Nintendo with a friend, whatever)
every single of those sports that little kids are coached to play since childhood (for whatever reason they do, socializing, making new friends, fun, way to get in shape etc) teach kids to try to achieve some form of *victory* in a *game* by becoming better then the opponent at the game, or outsmart them, or just be stronger.
Every kid was coached to play a game with the goal of trying to win it.
Last time i checked L2 was a game, what makes you think people will treat the L2 GAME with any different goal then what was programmed into them since very early childhood?
Because we have a brain? and can think for ourself when we grow up ?
Things you learn in your childhood is a basis. too give you an idea of what is right or wrong. What you should do and what you shouldnt. They arent the "TRUTH" by far.
Do you still boogie man is gonna get you if you dont listen too your parents? No because youve grownup and realize it was just too make you listen too them.
Because we have a brain? and can think for ourself when we grow up ?
Things you learn in your childhood is a basis. too give you an idea of what is right or wrong. What you should do and what you shouldnt. They arent the "TRUTH" by far.
Do you still boogie man is gonna get you if you dont listen too your parents? No because youve grownup and realize it was just too make you listen too them.
lol, one thing is is being scared of boogie man at the age of 30, and a completely different thing is to deliberately block your instincts and deny yourself of one of the only pleasures in a game (winning) while playing a game, while winning in a game is what you've been coached to do since the age of 3.
Nobody likes loosing no matter how much you sugar coat it and say "i just play to have fun and hang out". Do you like failing at raids? Feels good to "win" over a raid boss, isnt? Do you like biting the dust in a pvp? No matter what you will say it doesnt feel too good, especially with L2s "looser" penalty of Xp loss.
No matter how much people say L2 is not a game you can win (endless vicious circle you cant win, its true) but the game is all about small victories of one sort or another with small rewards for winners, and big penaltys for loosers. Killing a Kamaloka boss is STILL a small victory.
The craving for the small victories in a competitive game is what drives people to even bother playing it. Small victories lead to bigger ones. You start a clan of 2 people, slowly grow and take a fort. You get a sence of achievement and victory, which later drives you to try to go for a bigger fort, then a clan hall, then a castle.
Victories, even if its a bunch of small ones, boost self esteem, theres no arguments about that even. Making decisions to bot, use PvP programs and e-bay is definitely the wrong choices to get your small victories, but some people have very low standards for themselves and lack the self esteem and moral values that they need to tell themselves that it all has to be achieved in a fair way.
PS: having 8 boxes + DD for a room in fog is just useless effort and overkill lol, it can be done with just 3 toons (if you need a healer or SWS, but allot dont even need that for simple 1 room pulls) + 1 DD.
Ivy..Please tell me u know who this arthiose is. Team Jimmy isnt worth a food stamp. You should know this.
I remember the old arthiose, and thats why the mistaken - association with IN.
There is no possible way for me to keep up with the obscurity of the titan generation. Hell, it took me a week to figure out who Iodine/Chlorine is named now :)
i dunno if ur question was serious or u know it , so w/e
and lol , as i said ( i think u couldnt get it in the first post ,and i understand since ur prob have down ) , my clan doesnt bring more then 3 ppl in party to fog , unless its for pvp.
and who ever says IN is bad, plz say the clan first... tbh the only clans who can talk about being good is nova , all the others are w/e.
and lol , as i said ( i think u couldnt get it in the first post ,and i understand since ur prob have down ) , my clan doesnt bring more then 3 ppl in party to fog , unless its for pvp.
There were clearly more than 3 toons there, I don't care how many were live. Doesn't make a difference how many were live or not, because if you didn't need them for some purpose they wouldn't be there, so they count.
Thank you for taking my experience with watching that party die, and turning into "koto knows better."
Many people do, the diference is if you bring them oop boxed or live in party.
People have been anticipating High-Five exp bonuses with these kinds of parties all the time. No wonder why people are still around bragging about how they have been playing 4+ years and aren't even 78 or 79 yet :<
yeah i guess having a job and working some of the long hours i do, and you know, progressing through life is wrong.....
I have a pretty demanding job myself and I have even stepped out of the game for over 6months. With a very hard class to level (dominator) after 2 years I am 82/76/76/52 so you are definetly doing something wrong.....
On top of that when I am on game, as clan leader (not so much right now) I am always dealing with other peoples BS, or organizing stuff which really cuts into my XPing time / gearing time.....
EDIT: BTW my lvl on my time I dont think is an accomplishment. I think I could have done it way faster than that.... A buddy of mine that started playing with me, is right now 84/76/76/76 and he even deleted 1 sub and got another one to 76.......
I play very inefficiently (knowingly) and if I wold have wanted to play just for myself I would probably 85/76/76/76 by now with full gear without being a nolifer.....
I know guys that in 1 year playing 100% legit are now 83/76/76/76 with decent gear and without the resources to do it SUPER efficiently (like 82+ fully geared titan with full oop support)
I have a pretty demanding job myself and I have even stepped out of the game for over 6months. With a very hard class to level (dominator) after 2 years I am 82/76/76/52 so you are definetly doing something wrong.....
On top of that when I am on game, as clan leader (not so much right now) I am always dealing with other peoples BS, or organizing stuff which really cuts into my XPing time / gearing time.....
EDIT: BTW my lvl on my time I dont think is an accomplishment. I think I could have done it way faster than that.... A buddy of mine that started playing with me, is right now 84/76/76/76 and he even deleted 1 sub and got another one to 76.......
I play very inefficiently (knowingly) and if I wold have wanted to play just for myself I would probably 85/76/76/76 by now with full gear without being a nolifer.....
I know guys that in 1 year playing 100% legit are now 83/76/76/76 with decent gear and without the resources to do it SUPER efficiently (like 82+ fully geared titan with full oop support)
yeah i'm sure that is playing on average one hour per day max...
i have my doubts if you know what demanding is... in comparison to my occupations
and i know someone that has made it from lvl 80 to 85 in 3 months.... solo... but the guy has himself a single buffer.... boxed.... prophet to.... and did it.... but then again he's got free time to do it... and the class to do it easily, and the gear...
If your willing to point out what it took for your friends or people you know to do it... why don't you spend some time perhaps clearly pointing out all the solutions including methods of obtaining gear... without being given it... without ignoring the lack of the available spots appropriate for me as well as my lvl as well as the gear i may have and taking into consideration of my play time period.
I'm willing to take suggestions.... but be reasonable... and don't include anything that is a gamblers chance..... such as crafting the necessary gear.. because my success rate for 60% is still 0%....
If your willing to point out what it took for your friends or people you know to do it... why don't you spend some time perhaps clearly pointing out all the solutions including methods of obtaining gear... without being given it... without ignoring the lack of the available spots appropriate for me as well as my lvl as well as the gear i may have and taking into consideration of my play time period.
I'm willing to take suggestions.... but be reasonable... and don't include anything that is a gamblers chance..... such as crafting the necessary gear.. because my success rate for 60% is still 0%....
Not Tiat with your alliance, not Frintezza with your alliance, not market playing, not full drops, not seeding useful mats, not crafting gear, not spoiling.
yeah i guess having a job and working some of the long hours i do, and you know, progressing through life is wrong.....
I'm 82 @ 50% on the BD and subs are 78/76/76 and have my SE 80. I started in '09 and have taken a few long breaks (3+ months at a time). When I do play it is often not everyday, and sometimes I don't xp for a week or more at a time. Basically, the only reason I'm not 85 by now is because I've chosen to do other things with my time. So yea, if you're 81 after six years then something definitely is going wrong.
1) You need to play this game with a close group of friends. Solo anything doesn't cut it, and most clans are full of ppl useless as **** on a bull who think that 9 man parties single targeting for .4% an hour is efficient. Close friends that don't play with their elbows is the way to go.
2) Play the market. When you get money from a drop or an event then turn around and invest it by playing the market. Do this for a few months and you can afford really decent gear.
3) I know your clan does raids, so shouldn't you be half way decently geared by them?
A lot of ppl slam Tag and his clan, and I've fought them many times, but at least they go out there in decent spots and level when they have time. Most ppl in this game that say they can't level are the ones that ask once or twice in clan chat for a party and then /log when they don't find one. You have to be a go-getter and organize your own party with a small group of consistent & good friends. The ppl I level with are on my msn, I hardly, if ever, use in game chat to find my parties.
I'm 82 @ 50% on the BD and subs are 78/76/76 and have my SE 80. I started in '09 and have taken a few long breaks (3+ months at a time). When I do play it is often not everyday, and sometimes I don't xp for a week or more at a time. Basically, the only reason I'm not 85 by now is because I've chosen to do other things with my time. So yea, if you're 81 after six years then something definitely is going wrong.
1) You need to play this game with a close group of friends. Solo anything doesn't cut it, and most clans are full of ppl useless as **** on a bull who think that 9 man parties single targeting for .4% an hour is efficient. Close friends that don't play with their elbows is the way to go.
2) Play the market. When you get money from a drop or an event then turn around and invest it by playing the market. Do this for a few months and you can afford really decent gear.
3) I know your clan does raids, so shouldn't you be half way decently geared by them?
A lot of ppl slam Tag and his clan, and I've fought them many times, but at least they go out there in decent spots and level when they have time. Most ppl in this game that say they can't level are the ones that ask once or twice in clan chat for a party and then /log when they don't find one. You have to be a go-getter and organize your own party with a small group of consistent & good friends. The ppl I level with are on my msn, I hardly, if ever, use in game chat to find my parties.
The main problem with my clan is that we only recruit spanish speaking players. Therefore we are already limited not only in the quantity but in the quality of players we can recruit.
Good old school spanish speaking players dont have an interest in joining a mid/low level clan. Bad players do not last long in clan either (cause my guys make fun of them :p) and the spanish speaking population is not that big. Most spanish speaking countries have big problems in their economy so L2 players in South and Central america mostly play on private servers.... And players from spain would most likely play on NAIA......
I would still stay on my clan over any other clan, because we get to share the game on our language, our own culture and our own style....
No one is doing anything wrong in this game just because they arent 85/80/80/80......I dont have a toon over 80, my main was made almost 6 years ago, and I feel the pain of real life..with two full time jobs, a wife, a baby on the way, and maybe 2 hours a week of actual play time, id say im doing everything right. Its a game, not real life. I would say I'm doing everything right, I play this game for the game and the people, which is my personal preference, and everyone has their own ideas of how seriously this game should be taken..
I know I'm just jumping into this thread with only reading the 1st and last page of it, and throwing my 2 cents in, but It ****** me off when people trash talk others because they are playing a game wrong, when their real life has kept them from the game......wait til you have a family and a job (or two) your opinion will change almost overnight....
so to all those who are told they suck, and have a low level character and are "doing something wrong" your real life is much more important than a game, cause in 10 years, those who do nothing but play this game will have....the same they have now, nothing, and those who are working hard on "xping their real life" will have everything.
Not Tiat with your alliance, not Frintezza with your alliance, not market playing, not full drops, not seeding useful mats, not crafting gear, not spoiling.
Oh wait.
Do tiat..... clan can't do it by itself unfortunately... and actually recently in the last few weeks.. .the arranged time has not been in our favor due to the Seed opening up hours before we head in...... luck isn't on our side...
Plus we don't have an alliance....
Can't do frint, don't have the damage to even get to the 3rd stage.... yet again.. no alliance..
Full drops..... pretty rare... and worth nothing in the areas we can survive in....
Seeding never works in my case, the time periods in which to submit them doesn't coincide with the times i would be available to do it....
Crafting gear..... = failures...... i've never gotten a successful craft.... let alone on the 70% crafts i've managed to succeed.. i've a negative margin of savings made due to high failure rates... Failing to craft serveral dozen things repeatedly with nothing to show for it results in months... even years worth of work being wasted..... So it's a catch 22 which your likely not going to accept as being possible.... but then if that is the case... it's called being naive...
I've a spoiler.... unfortunately not high enough lvl to be of any major benefit...
but then again it's that completely counter productive? lvling a dwarf in the short period of time i have to play when i should be lvling my main? Self defeating suggestion....
1 - Can't do Tiat with just clan.
2 - No damage to do Frintezza.
4 - Full drops are rare.
5 - Seeding doesn't work because times don't coincide.
6 - Crafting = fails
7 - Spoiler isn't high enough to benefit.
My new response:
1 - Get a new clan.
2 - Get a new clan.
1 and 2 - Get an alliance.
4 - Luck is against you (I've had people level for weeks in my exp spot and only get 1 drop, I level for 1 week and get 2 full drops a day at the least)
5 - Pick a seed that rolls over to a timeframe you're able to turn in. With seeding bots gone, there are still some mats that still exist even after the turn in time.
6 - You've attempted to craft "several dozen things repeatedly" with nothing to show for it.
You've peaked my interests and have sounded my ******** alarm, so let me ask you...how did you acquire the mats to "craft several dozen things repeatedly"? Go on, I've got time to wait for a response that sounds more like an excuse.
7 - Spoiler is lowest priority anyway unless you already have gear for it to spoil and survive with.
Too lazy to do suggestion #3 and afk-shop while you're "busy with work and real life", but have enough time to gather the mats to fail, in literal terms to your phrase, over 12 crafts? Because if you were being completely literal with your craft failure claim, you're doing something wrong. You should be flipping mats to make money, not hoarding them to fail crafts.
I'm 82 @ 50% on the BD and subs are 78/76/76 and have my SE 80. I started in '09 and have taken a few long breaks (3+ months at a time). When I do play it is often not everyday, and sometimes I don't xp for a week or more at a time. Basically, the only reason I'm not 85 by now is because I've chosen to do other things with my time. So yea, if you're 81 after six years then something definitely is going wrong.
1) You need to play this game with a close group of friends. Solo anything doesn't cut it, and most clans are full of ppl useless as **** on a bull who think that 9 man parties single targeting for .4% an hour is efficient. Close friends that don't play with their elbows is the way to go.
Yeah, would be great to have a really tight close group of friends.... but that's pretty difficult considering my play times, would be wonderful to log in and just have a party invite sitting there.... but unfortunately that doesn't occur.. and considering the long list of clans and alliances i've been part of over the years...... theres only been very VERY short periods of time where this occured... and actually it's the only reason i'm at the lvl i am now....
Indeed large parties making very inefficient use of their time is one thing i like to avoid, but can't always have it perfect.
2) Play the market. When you get money from a drop or an event then turn around and invest it by playing the market. Do this for a few months and you can afford really decent gear.
Actually i, when i can... play the market for as best i can, but i unfortunately don't have a strong talent in this area, and in the past..... couldn't do **** because of routing issues to ncsofts server resulting in my frequent disconnections when trying to keep a sell/buy shop up. It's quite annoying, and frankly i am no fan of leaving on my computer 24/7 one of the hardest things on the machines is doing such. So if i'm going to have a sell shop up for any period of time, it better stay connected. Alas this does not occur. WHEN the servers were located in seattle..... no problems.. i was pulling in good cash, and actually that's how i managed to go from being basically common only gear to having MW tallum set during my A grade period, getting S grade gear, managing to secure myself some MW duals in S, getting Dynasty heavy set and getting it essenced 2, and then managing to get Moirai heavy set. Course that took well over a year to do.... and i still don't have my moirai set fully elemented.
But now, with the market in rather chaos.. short of getting full drops, or lucky crafts which i'm not able to get..... the only profitable way of getting adena right now is AA and Giant codex masteries. Beyond that...... not fairing to well at all, barely unable to afford my own soulshots otherwise.
3) I know your clan does raids, so shouldn't you be half way decently geared by them?
Very VERY few raids.. mostly just clan rep and recently zaken.... beyond that..... SoI, kama, Delusion chamber hasn't resulted in really anything at all useful, and the occasional full drop that does occur... does help to get a few geared, but were talking months if not half a year to get anything really done at the droprates for these bosses. Zaken shows promise.. but it's still slow going. Plus I'm not a priority... Actually over the course of all the clans i've been in..... and some of them have been "considered" to be top clans.... one of the reasons i was never chosen for Epics ever was because iconically, my class was "one in which has no real benefit of epics, they are more useful for other necessary classes" So in all the things i did do, and i was in the past a major Zaken attender in the past when the earings actually did drop on a regular bases..... i was always a low priority.
A lot of ppl slam Tag and his clan, and I've fought them many times, but at least they go out there in decent spots and level when they have time. Most ppl in this game that say they can't level are the ones that ask once or twice in clan chat for a party and then /log when they don't find one. You have to be a go-getter and organize your own party with a small group of consistent & good friends. The ppl I level with are on my msn, I hardly, if ever, use in game chat to find my parties.
Actally provided that the proper classes are on.. i don't log.... and i don't ask just once or twice... One of the most enlightning comments i most recently received was from some of the FEW players i have managed to party with for the first time that thought i was one of the first power BDs they've played with, and played my character very very well. But what i find odd is that i've never been invited again. Out of sight, out of mind so to speak i sapose.
The fact of the matter is.... i started 6 years ago as a bd..... managed to get from lvl 1 to 40 in about 4-6 weeks.. which at that time was pretty **** good i think. From 40 to 52 took a few months...... all solo still just like before.. with a few exceptions... lots of deaths...... managed to get from 52 to 61 on a dial-up connection which took ages and alot of dc deaths. After which i was having so many problems gearing my toon and finding a decent clan that i ended up just playing numerous other alts and finding low lvl characters to do raids and such with. So the character was retired.. and then i started playing serious again come C5 with the kamaels..... hit the 61 wall and couldn't scratch gear together yet again or find a clan capable of helping in that area.
July of 2009 my bd was brought back out of retirement ... geared poorly.. and managed to hit lvl 76 in about 1 month due to the above mentioned frequent GOOD parties ..... 76-78 took an additional month or 2...... hitting 80 from there took several months..... i managed to hit 80 back in the spring of 2010.... and only recently have i hit lvl 81..... Things slow down when the lack of frequent good parties is lost and soloing is a slow process due to lack of good buffs. Currently sitting at 20% into 81....
I know of the super efficient amazing powerlvling that can be done legitimately... i've been in a few for them quick 30 minutes 5% runs or whatever.... and only recently for the first time ever.... have i ever been to hellbound for actual lvling.. once for AOE for about an hour (which got me lvl 81) and 2nd time for the towers (not tullys as i don't have access) for single target killing which was also quite good..... still slow with lack of vitality and nevits..
1 - Can't do Tiat with just clan.
2 - No damage to do Frintezza.
4 - Full drops are rare.
5 - Seeding doesn't work because times don't coincide.
6 - Crafting = fails
7 - Spoiler isn't high enough to benefit.
My new response:
1 - Get a new clan.
2 - Get a new clan.
1 and 2 - Get an alliance.
4 - Luck is against you (I've had people level for weeks in my exp spot and only get 1 drop, I level for 1 week and get 2 full drops a day at the least)
5 - Pick a seed that rolls over to a timeframe you're able to turn in. With seeding bots gone, there are still some mats that still exist even after the turn in time.
6 - You've attempted to craft "several dozen things repeatedly" with nothing to show for it.
You've peaked my interests and have sounded my ******** alarm, so let me ask you...how did you acquire the mats to "craft several dozen things repeatedly"? Go on, I've got time to wait for a response that sounds more like an excuse.
7 - Spoiler is lowest priority anyway unless you already have gear for it to spoil and survive with.
Too lazy to do suggestion #3 and afk-shop while you're "busy with work and real life", but have enough time to gather the mats to fail, in literal terms to your phrase, over 12 crafts? Because if you were being completely literal with your craft failure claim, you're doing something wrong. You should be flipping mats to make money, not hoarding them to fail crafts.
As i stated, the mats i've collected over the years and stuffed away in my wh for exceptionally long periods of time collecting and collecting..... the occasional time where i've managed to buy a pile of mats in giran and made a good deal for them or they were priced well below market..... I play the market in that manner... it's getting far more difficult now as more people are more precise.... sometimes someone gets lucky.. but usually i'm not around for that... So i am already doing suggestion 3 to the best of my ability... it is out of my hands on not being able to keep a buy or sell shop up.... completely out of my hands...
The most recent case of trying to craft several repeatedly... was in the case of tat jewels.... 10 rings..... 8 failures and 2 successes all in a row.... I've only had a VERY VERY few successes on 70% crafts.... all failures on 60%... this is over the course of since the introduction of B grade gear to today... serveral drac bow failures over the years too. I was quite miserable and i quite often say i'm never going to craft again, because failing and getting not a **** thing, and seeing all those mats i could have sold for nothing and still made money on just disappeared... the last thing i attempted to craft was a icarus Spitter... failing per usual. Many of the crafts for s grade and higher i've had help collecting mats for...
Personally i can count on my one hand all the drops that are C grade and above (full drops) in 6 years. Ive been in fog long enough to collect well over 50,000 torches which isn't all that much for some people. But in that time period.... i never once got a drop... however i did loot someone that happened to come into fog .... pulled a train in another room... died.. and happened to run by where he died and left, and noticed a drac leather armor full drop... My luck i ended up with his full drop.... but aside from that.... nothing (this is excluding raid bosses)...
And yes..... i should be hoarding material to sell... but then again you get other guys that insist and recommend the attempts at crafting because "cmon, you've failed so many times, your next craft HAS to be a good one... and it might be even master work".. yet fail again..
Just like my Attempts at enchanting duals..... i failed dozens of duals attempting to get to +4.... mind you A grade ones or b grade or whatever...
My current goals today are to full element my moirai set.... element my duals to 300.. and get myself an icarus bow with focus.... if i can get the bow before or around lvl 82.. i was hoping to farm divine crystals... but alas i'm behind the curve still on making reasonable money on the divines....
i get what judas is saying, i also believe both tag and ipwn are right - the difference (as i see it is) they started at a time when newbie buffs, vitality and nevits where introduced judas didnt - they came with prior knowlege of the game so knew which classes best suited the game play now, came with friends who will have added support, as opposed to judas who if ive read right is a bd of 6yrs - 6yrs ago bd was a class no one played.
The thing about solo being ineffective is true however playing a class that i chose for its solo capabilities it disappoints me that most of the new content has been melee based - i think they still havent got the balance quite right.
some of the problems stem from the fact that i personally do not know anyone in this game at all...
my time zone doesn't match.. or my working hours... specially during the spring to fall.... Farm labour and all, actually it's one reason i am usually never ever around on weekends... another reason i miss many of the weekend related events.. and never got to touch and see how the double xp weekend was like... Also one reason i'll usually NEVER see anything good for myself from most of the events around....
MANY of the people i've partied with that have a clique or just always are together..... know each other for a long time either in game.. OR.... know each other personally... and have played together for ages...
I'm willing to even party with people that the clan i'm in is at war with..... and i've done this throughout the lifespan of the game... and while generally sometimes this is frowned upon.... frankly it's just a game.... doesn't mean enemies must be enemies all the time....
I continue to play my BD class because i'm rather fed up with so many bd's and sws's that are just plain terrible... sure i make my own mistakes... but it's rare to see me not keeping my dances up and doing what i should be doing in a pve or pvp situation... And i've been told this....
Beyond just getting me gear.. i need to get subclass skills because they are a big part of the whole pve and pvp scheme too and make a big impact....
But for the most part.. i've pretty much accepted that there is a good chance i'll never see valakas or antharas or even baium... Only recently did i get to be involved in AQ and orfen and core..... Zaken i think is the only raid boss i've ever been around back in the past....
No one is doing anything wrong in this game just because they arent 85/80/80/80.......
Yes, for the most part they are doing something wrong. Btw, please spare us the sermon on IRL, you're not the only one here that has a kid or has ever worked long hours. It still doesn't change the fact that most of the people who have been playing years without getting anywhere near lvl cap are doing something dramatically wrong with their game play.
The most recent case of trying to craft several repeatedly... was in the case of tat jewels.... 10 rings..... 8 failures and 2 successes all in a row.... I've only had a VERY VERY few successes on 70% crafts.... all failures on 60%...
My record is 10 fails on 70% Moirai jewelry crafts in a row! :p
In my case, first craft always fails, no matter what.
If I kept doing 1 crafting attempt per day, I'd probably end up with 0 successes. But I collected the mats to do a few crafts at once (starting with Moirai ring which was doomed to fail) and usually the 2nd, sometimes 3rd or 4th craft worked.
Sometimes, though, you just keep failing. I can tell you how this works: the Korean RNG gives out unevenly distributed numbers resulting in weird series of multiple failures (or successes) in a row.
Same thing, don't try to do any costly things (be it crafting, overenchanting, or elementing) unless you have resources for 20 attempts at least. Let's see, when I put attribute stones on armor, 10 stones failed in a row, but then another dozen of stones worked well (with just a couple of fails). Next time, the first batch of stones failed again, and the second batch worked. If I stopped every time after first 10 failures, I'd end up spending hundreds of stones for nothing. Conclusion: you either need to have enough resources to cope with the korean random (knowing how it works), or rely on your intuition and stop as soon as you "feel" the failure sequence is coming.
My record is 10 fails on 70% Moirai jewelry crafts in a row! :p
In my case, first craft always fails, no matter what.
If I kept doing 1 crafting attempt per day, I'd probably end up with 0 successes. But I collected the mats to do a few crafts at once (starting with Moirai ring which was doomed to fail) and usually the 2nd, sometimes 3rd or 4th craft worked.
Sometimes, though, you just keep failing. I can tell you how this works: the Korean RNG gives out unevenly distributed numbers resulting in weird series of multiple failures (or successes) in a row.
Same thing, don't try to do any costly things (be it crafting, overenchanting, or elementing) unless you have resources for 20 attempts at least. Let's see, when I put attribute stones on armor, 10 stones failed in a row, but then another dozen of stones worked well (with just a couple of fails). Next time, the first batch of stones failed again, and the second batch worked. If I stopped every time after first 10 failures, I'd end up spending hundreds of stones for nothing. Conclusion: you either need to have enough resources to cope with the korean random (knowing how it works), or rely on your intuition and stop as soon as you "feel" the failure sequence is coming.
even with enough resources....... the korean random number generator still spews out something that can be broad based enough that SOMEONE HAS TO BE either near the top or at the bottom while the majority are within the bell curve of this pattern..
Frankly reguardless of what i do.... the random will always be..
I used the ring one as an example.. because it was the most recent one i did with 10+ crafts back to back..
Value wise.. i lost significantly in doing the crafting due to the insane fail rate... 2 rings doesn't make up for 10+ craft worth of mats... nowhere near.....
Now in the realm of Mass numbers countering the fail rates..... that's still random too.. because in cases for example on the PTS server where massive amounts of data can be caculated.... I found that For example... out of 250 devine crystals.. i had a rough 29% success rate.... where as SO FAR.. on the real server.. i've had roughly a 62% success rate... which has been great... meanwhile someone else i know of has roughly a 6% success rate... and he's gone through 8x as many crystals and still doesn't have the lvl of element on his weapon that i do.
I've been lucky in that realm... yesterday however.. no so much with the 3x in a row failures... my luck has been good with doing it on a 1 by one bases... not in mass.. in that respect..
But this same thing can be applied anywhere..
Some people are exceptionally lucky.. others not so much... REGUARDLESS of the mass crafting or enchanting or whatever is done..
If i relied on intution... i would never enchant or craft or attempt any gamble at all.. as generally it's usually right.... When i feel the most certain something is going to fail..... there is always that Rare say 1% chance.... that i find it does succeed..
case in point... enchanting duals to +4 i was fairly sure they were going to pop... but didn't... and then in an attempt to create crystals with another set of useless duals.. managed to get to +9 even though i was kicking it back and blowing up other duals to +4...... The random has no pattern per case.... it's unpredictable.. and the only thing that is predictable.. is that you have more likely a chance of failing then you do succeeding even though the suggestion is that you chances of success are in your favor when clearly they are not.
Just like in the case of failing to enchant a 2nd class skill to +1 at a 97% success rate chance...... only to fail it over 10 times back to back to back.
I've probably lost well over 200mil in adena and i know for a fact over 300-400 mil sp trying to get 2nd class skill to what would be referred to by most as a "very poor enchant" per my lvl.... it was suggested that at lvl 81.. i should be at LEAST +12 or +15 on most of the 2nd class skills...... but unfortunately i can bearly make it to +9...
Yes, for the most part they are doing something wrong. Btw, please spare us the sermon on IRL, you're not the only one here that has a kid or has ever worked long hours. It still doesn't change the fact that most of the people who have been playing years without getting anywhere near lvl cap are doing something dramatically wrong with their game play.
btw.. you still haven't given any concrete suggestions or reasons as to how someone is doing it wrong beyond just stating it.
btw.. you still haven't given any concrete suggestions or reasons as to how someone is doing it wrong beyond just stating it.
Well it is obvious that you play by yourself.....
If you are a support toon (from what I understand you are a BD), and you play by yourself you simply picked the wrong character.
If you really like the bd, you have 2 options... get a 2nd account and dualbox a damage dealer / mage or try to get into a constant that shares your same schedule.......
If you feel that your job is too demanding / you dont have time / your schedule changes all the time and that is why you cannot keep constant groups, then you should either get a second account (you hard work should pay off and help you afford it), or just simply change characters.... IF you really like your toon, because of whatever reason... get on a subclass of your liking (as a DD or mage) and do the sub to main change and thats that.... A STS with a 140 AM (they are really cheap these days) can solo in dino very efficiently probably banking about 1kk / hour...... you should probably be doing about 1%-2% of 79-80 / hour with an STS and AM 150 wind. That is without even a buffer, only some acu pots and herbs...... (this is not the most efficient way of playing but with that setup you should be 82+ in no time....)
If you are a support toon (from what I understand you are a BD), and you play by yourself you simply picked the wrong character.
If you really like the bd, you have 2 options... get a 2nd account and dualbox a damage dealer / mage or try to get into a constant that shares your same schedule.......
If you feel that your job is too demanding / you dont have time / your schedule changes all the time and that is why you cannot keep constant groups, then you should either get a second account (you hard work should pay off and help you afford it), or just simply change characters.... IF you really like your toon, because of whatever reason... get on a subclass of your liking (as a DD or mage) and do the sub to main change and thats that.... A STS with a 140 AM (they are really cheap these days) can solo in dino very efficiently probably banking about 1kk / hour...... you should probably be doing about 1%-2% of 79-80 / hour with an STS and AM 150 wind. That is without even a buffer, only some acu pots and herbs...... (this is not the most efficient way of playing but with that setup you should be 82+ in no time....)
Na i refuse to two box.. that isn't a solution... i play an MMO.. i have no interest in getting into the rut of relying on being able to do everything and anything i want and always wanting my box around..
I do not prefer to solo.... i prefer to be in groups... the problem is finding a group.... either A: they are already started.. and the few friends i do have... don't have room for me at the time.. as typically most people have already been setup and going at it for well over an hour before i get home even for those west of me... or B: most of everyone i know or is willing to invite me.... is well... offline.
C: ..... they hate me or don't know me and don't care.. OR i'm enemy ....
Like i said previously.. i wouldn't have been even 81 if i hadn't gotten at least a few of the good groups...
Plus changing sub to main is totally counter productive.. what's the point of having the class i enjoy playing if i end up just turning the mage class that i've leveled before and didn't enjoy into my main? Isn't that kinda along the lines of trying to solve a car problem by swap it for pencil? very very different things.. still want my car.
I'm in no way complaining... just stating the facts of the matter.... because it seems so many people think it's impossible to have played any length of time and not be 85/80/80/80 or something.
btw.. you still haven't given any concrete suggestions or reasons as to how someone is doing it wrong beyond just stating it.
Yea I did, and you just confirmed the reasons I gave with your last few posts. You refuse to dual box, yet you also can't find any decent parties, and you're staying in a clan that apparently can't raid efficiently. Those all directly contribute to the fact that you're not gaining in levels. If you want to stay that level permanently (though I can't imagine why), then no worries. However, if you ever want to come close to lvl cap then you need to make some fundamental changes because right now your playstyle is really inefficient.
Yea I did, and you just confirmed the reasons I gave with your last few posts. You refuse to dual box, yet you also can't find any decent parties, and you're staying in a clan that apparently can't raid efficiently. Those all directly contribute to the fact that you're not gaining in levels. If you want to stay that level permanently (though I can't imagine why), then no worries. However, if you ever want to come close to lvl cap then you need to make some fundamental changes because right now your playstyle is really inefficient.
i've been booted from numerous clans due to my times being inadequate...
I'm not being stubborn really.. i just don't think my life should be molded to fit any game.... the game should be able to fit the life to a certain extent...
I've been acused of clan hopping in the past due to some of the issues. Some raids involving some of the higher lvls have straight up told me not to bother attacking.. just stand there and dance.. which is fine.. but it's also terrible when after which your accused of leeching..
Seems like every single clan.. theres usually some crackhead finding something fundlementally wrong....
u said u made the way from common gear to moirai in 1 year (with mw tallum and mw s-duals) but u say your crafts fail. so seems u buy all that. there is no more efficient way to burn your money than that. spend hundreds of millions adena for mw gear which is totally useless if u lack the (cheaper) basics.
u said u made the way from common gear to moirai in 1 year (with mw tallum and mw s-duals) but u say your crafts fail. so seems u buy all that. there is no more efficient way to burn your money than that. spend hundreds of millions adena for mw gear which is totally useless if u lack the (cheaper) basics.
heres an idea judas eat wants pics of my clan dead i let u kill me 50 x u take ss hell give u 100mil seems like a good option to me he clearly has more money than sense ^^
i've been booted from numerous clans due to my times being inadequate...
If its a time issue mainly (from your previous post about how you always get on in the wrong time, too late or way too early) why don't you try the different time zone based clan?
example, you live in the USA but have to work evening shift, come home at 12 am when most of your friends are about to go to bed. Find a clan that has players from a country that has -6 hours on you, so you get on at their peak time. It might not be easy, but can def. be rewarding. Im from canada, when i had a late shift job (finish at 9pm, home+bed at 10-11pm, at computer in teh "morning") i was in a clan that had people from the UK. When i would play was the peak evening time there, never had a problem after joined them.
I mean, if you're in a EURO mainly clan, find one that's US time based, and vice versa
Also you can always find out what country"s time zone is peak time when you get on, try to find a clan that has those players? I know that changing clans might not be an easy solution nor an easy choice, but it can potentially solve the time problem.
Nope, just emphasizing the fact that you didn't have to work for your gear, yet instantly got an advantage over the rest.
Moreover, believe it or not, not long ago, someone quitting the game (most funny, he was a member of an enemy clan in the past) asked me to take all his gear (worth ~700 mil or so).
I declined.
Because, if you get something for free, it destroys the point of the game, thus making you a cheater.
Fair enough?
There's something terribly wrong in seeing such incompatible terms as "Flipsy" and "thought process" in the same paragraph. :D
Ok I'll try to break this down for you once again, just read thoroughly and slowly:
in this game, as soon as you get something without putting any efforts, be it ebaying some gear, or receiving it "as a gift from your charitable Asian friend", or botting up some levels, or being powerleveled by some silent folks, or (in case you're on a private server) getting instantly leveled by a friendly GM, or buying a lvl 85 toon, or having a privilegy of playing someone else's toon, you thus acquire an unfair afvantage over those who play within a certain set of rules and limitations determined by the EULA.
Comprehend?
I don't know how to make it any easier for you to grasp, seriously. :o
You forgot the part of the quote (that was moderated out). If you're gonna quote me, by all means, go right on ahead. But don't take things out of context :<
How many people leech exp in aoe parties doing absolutely nothing? Or how about the Kopach bow giveaway that happened previously? Being charitable all of a sudden causes someone to acquire an "unfair advantage"? Guess the people that it's unfair to really blow at making friends, huh?
And I'm still trying to comprehend how the jewels themselves helped me get hero while I was still wearing a Tallum Heavy armor and a BBH with no SA or element vs a handful of 80+ toons in Dynasty/Maj/MA armor/robes with 150 element weapons or above (I assume). I didn't know they could do enough damage themselves. Seeing as your edited quote trying to flame me has "all of his epics and elemented weapons" in it, you really don't know what you're talking about.
This proves my previous thought process. I highly disagree.
I, too highly disagree with A) Turning down 700kk worth of gear B) Equating free gear to cheating C) Admitting to that level of stupidity on the forums.
It is beneath my dignity to accept a handout, especially of dubious origin. Do such things ever occur to you?
Just think how pariahs (Untouchables) are treated in some places, and you'll get the idea. This is how I regard cheaters in the game (just call it roleplaying).
This thread is originally about the "top clans"... and the majority of "hardcore PvPers" are cheaters, to some extent. Therefore, they are barely worthy of mentioning. They might be your idols, while, in fact, they should be branded as the pariahs of L2, ignorable and despicable.
It is also beneath my dignity to descend to your level to argue with you (in case you are delusional about it). I'm not arguing with anyone, just stating certain facts and pointing out the obvious.
You forgot the part of the quote where I <babbling skipped>
heres an idea judas eat wants pics of my clan dead i let u kill me 50 x u take ss hell give u 100mil seems like a good option to me he clearly has more money than sense ^^
that offer is just for clanies, sorry. we already have a nice galery of screens with your corpses btw.
It is beneath my dignity to accept anything for free that people so willingly wish to give me, or that they think I may deserve for helping them out previously in a certain time in their life. I also want to point out that unless I break even or have to owe the government money on tax returns, I don't even file them because I don't want free money either.
It is beneath my dignity to accept a handout, especially of dubious origin. Do such things ever occur to you?
is it the dubious origin thats the point or u never accept anything from anyone ?
I ask because i remember a guy quitting n two unassociated ppl telling me he gave them gear - aside from them both being hotheads the only thing they had in common was them both being very vocally pro legit - maybe sometimes ppl want to hand on what they worked for to someone they think is of a same mind.
In regard to my page 5 post where I mentioned I was only level 68 after 6+ years - and no, I was not bragging - I am now level 69! Now, I'm not going to make any bold predictions, but I might hit level 70 tonight. Shhhhh...let's keep this on the down low. I don't want to disappoint anyone if it doesn't happen.
Even though I had this major accomplishment, a breakthrough even, I still took time away from myself and created an Assassin. I know, I know...I probably would have been level 70 had I not done this, but baby steps people, baby steps to my level deficiency rehabilitation.
I have to admit, it did feel good to play continuously through about 85% xp in one sitting.
I was only level 68 after 6+ years - and no, I was not bragging - I am now level 69! Now, I'm not going to make any bold predictions, but I might hit level 70 tonight. Shhhhh...let's keep this on the down low. I don't want to disappoint anyone if it doesn't happen.
u got 2x birthday in last 2 years, tons of vita pops, vit replanishing pots and that 10/30 min pots, also the x-mas boxes and double xp events. u can bring all excuses u want, if u still only lvl 69 after playing 6 years u just failed. except u made a 5 years and 10 month break...
Nah, I didn't fail. It's all a matter of how I want to play the game.
As I have said before, As long as you are not cheating, play the game however you want that is fun for you. If you are high or low lvl doesn't matter as long as you are having fun.
There is no fail in being low lvl. You probably just have different goals than most of the pvp'rs who try to lvl a toon to 85 in 3 months time lol.
As I have said before, As long as you are not cheating, play the game however you want that is fun for you. If you are high or low lvl doesn't matter as long as you are having fun.
There is no fail in being low lvl. You probably just have different goals than most of the pvp'rs who try to lvl a toon to 85 in 3 months time lol.
Nah, I didn't fail. It's all a matter of how I want to play the game.
yes , o choose to stay afk in town for 6 years, only way to make this happen , lmao
yes , o choose to stay afk in town for 6 years, only way to make this happen , lmao
If I did that I'd hope to have more than the approximately 5-6 mil adena I have across all toons. LOL Nope, don't even remember the last time I setup a shop.
as for the drama: stop complaining, let people play the game as they like, legit/unlegit, once a week/no life, its not your job to police the game, its NCs.
Even though this has gone off topic quite a bit and I don't pay much attention to server politics, it is interesting to read what people think about who the top clans are and why.
Too bad the forums don't allow for child discussions so OP's topics don't get lost.
As I have said before, As long as you are not cheating, play the game however you want that is fun for you. If you are high or low lvl doesn't matter as long as you are having fun.
There is no fail in being low lvl. You probably just have different goals than most of the pvp'rs who try to lvl a toon to 85 in 3 months time lol.
then dont complain about the people who do... ALl the carebears who want to play the waay they want to is fine and dandy.. just stop QQ'ing about the top players