Why are GM's disconnecting 150+ people during a siege? right when people are fighting this makes no sense when they said they wont interfere with game play really now get real.
I don't think gms think too high of you to disconnect you specifically :S.
You think too high of yourself.Just cause server couldn't handle so many people doesn't mean gm had a grudge on you ;S.
You should read better the user agreement you click every time you log in game and stop complaining with these ridiculous topics....
only ~150ppl ? don't worry it wasn't for checking zRanger cause then it would have been over 50% of everyone there now save your tears cause this kind of posts only makes you look bad.. emopanda
ps, Naia has crashed several times during TW's purely due to the amount of mass pvp concentrated at the same spot in the past so stop think you're anything special
Why are GM's disconnecting 150+ people during a siege? right when people are fighting this makes no sense when they said they wont interfere with game play really now get real.
Delusions of Grandeur: One of the side effects of being a very high lvl player in Lineage II.
Last year i've played at a castle siege and the defenders of the castle were using a **** that DCed our leader so we can't get the castle... The clan leader was DCed like every 2 min after he logs in :)
When your playing and ppl in vent are getting dc in a row. its not lag where you cant move its a instant dc. and i can view my traffic going in my computer so yes i was DC by GM's in the middle of fighting a TW. Does this go against the rule that GM's wont effect game play? i think it does.
When your playing and ppl in vent are getting dc in a row. its not lag where you cant move its a instant dc. and i can view my traffic going in my computer so yes i was DC by GM's in the middle of fighting a TW. Does this go against the rule that GM's wont effect game play? i think it does.
I got some Dc's turing siege with some friends of mine too..but not only then...during the week i got some together with others at the same time...spooky he? I get many dc's when we do tiat and zaken...other clanmates from me too...Its normal...
Anyway where is your prof? Only because you got dc together with some other mates doesnt mean nothing lol..its a daily experience many other players have also..including me sometimes.
I hate to say it , but panda is right. i saw a gm appear then saw alot of people started to dc. so yes it was gms. ill probably cancel 2 of my accounts today, was the stupidist thing i have ever seen gms do. right in the middle of pvp. game isnt worth playing anymore, brb DC universe.
Why are GM's disconnecting 150+ people during a siege? right when people are fighting this makes no sense when they said they wont interfere with game play really now get real.
if gms were actually doing that checkin who use programs and who not, thumbs up for gms... keep it this way :D
I hate to say it , but panda is right. i saw a gm appear then saw alot of people started to dc. so yes it was gms. ill probably cancel 2 of my accounts today, was the stupidist thing i have ever seen gms do. right in the middle of pvp. game isnt worth playing anymore, brb DC universe.
gl with that chronic
I hate to say it , but panda is right. i saw a gm appear then saw alot of people started to dc. so yes it was gms. ill probably cancel 2 of my accounts today, was the stupidist thing i have ever seen gms do. right in the middle of pvp. game isnt worth playing anymore, brb DC universe.
You do realize gm's check for autotargeting software and pot spam during sieges now. So turn off your **** programs and pvp.
I tested it against a high level clan last siege. I signed up an alt clan and had a level 20 dwarf run onto siege grounds in a big rush. Targeted the main healer and the level 20 dwarf in brig was dropped right as I targeted the healer.
I know those dwarfs in brig are a huge threat so I can see why they had to make sure I didn't attack the healer lol Seriously how redicilous are you that you can't play a game without cheating?
Also I get lag spikes whenever someone using a program is close to me, odd huh?
You do realize gm's check for autotargeting software and pot spam during sieges now. So turn off your **** programs and pvp.
I tested it against a high level clan last siege. I signed up an alt clan and had a level 20 dwarf run onto siege grounds in a big rush. Targeted the main healer and the level 20 dwarf in brig was dropped right as I targeted the healer.
I know those dwarfs in brig are a huge threat so I can see why they had to make sure I didn't attack the healer lol Seriously how redicilous are you that you can't play a game without cheating?
Also I get lag spikes whenever someone using a program is close to me, odd huh?
lol @ the lag thing im pretty sure i fight ppl that use programs every day and i never get this "lag" your speaking of.
I tested it against a high level clan last siege. I signed up an alt clan and had a level 20 dwarf run onto siege grounds in a big rush. Targeted the main healer and the level 20 dwarf in brig was dropped right as I targeted the healer.
I know those dwarfs in brig are a huge threat so I can see why they had to make sure I didn't attack the healer lol
ROFL! Priceless :D
Also I get lag spikes whenever someone using a program is close to me, odd huh?
Same here. I noticed it since long ago: when a bot train ran by, I got a lag spike, which never happened when normal player groups came. I guess it happens because their software is sniffing other players packets thus messing up the server traffic, something like that.
Same here. I noticed it since long ago: when a bot train ran by, I got a lag spike, which never happened when normal player groups came. I guess it happens because their software is sniffing other players packets thus messing up the server traffic, something like that.
Why are GM's disconnecting 150+ people during a siege?... ...they said they wont interfere with game play...
Well, just cause they say they dont "interfere" with gameplay, that doesnt mean they are going to let everyone do and use whatever they want while playing.
Good job GMs. Keep up the good work. Thumbs up from me.
lol @ the lag thing im pretty sure i fight ppl that use programs every day and i never get this "lag" your speaking of.
I've actually heard a lot of ppl say this, but I've never knowingly experienced it myself. I've also heard that a nearby GM in hide causes some ppl to lag.
I've actually heard a lot of ppl say this, but I've never knowingly experienced it myself. I've also heard that a nearby GM in hide causes some ppl to lag.
+1 on the lag from bot/progs nearby. Ive experienced it many times.
I find it really funny people saying +1 vote for GMs, keep up the good work..... but i would agree that DC durring seige/TW is rediculous. I know peopel say its server lag etc etc, but when u standing in the court yard and no one is attacking then suddenly 7 out of the 9 in the party DC its not "lag" or server congestion.... Lets be honest they are interfering with server game play , i agree.
ALSO if they are DCing people because they are reported, sure ok, BUT CHECK the PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE REPORTING.
I find it really funny people saying +1 vote for GMs, keep up the good work..... but i would agree that DC durring seige/TW is rediculous. I know peopel say its server lag etc etc, but when u standing in the court yard and no one is attacking then suddenly 7 out of the 9 in the party DC its not "lag" or server congestion.... Lets be honest they are interfering with server game play , i agree.
ALSO if they are DCing people because they are reported, sure ok, BUT CHECK the PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE REPORTING.
Thats the exact time they should be doing this cause is right when the pvp, not pve, programs are in use.
I guess it happens because their software is sniffing other players packets thus messing up the server traffic, something like that.
this part is imho....funny...you have proly no idea about networking or you have on your PC this sniffer or NCsoft is doing this by themselves... which option is the one you like at most ? There is no other..
P.S. Sniffing = scanning... that is harmless.. problem can appear if some program of those botters starts to spam you with some other packets...but not sniffing..
I hate to say it , but panda is right. i saw a gm appear then saw alot of people started to dc. so yes it was gms. ill probably cancel 2 of my accounts today, was the stupidist thing i have ever seen gms do. right in the middle of pvp. game isnt worth playing anymore, brb DC universe.
Why are GM's disconnecting 150+ people during a siege? right when people are fighting this makes no sense when they said they wont interfere with game play really now get real.
Well if you have been using anything which makes PvP easier(Auto CP spam is pretty common and easily detectable, or even more advanced software) and got DC'd during PvP you are in no right to complain.
It's pretty obvious you will not admit this on official forums but at least please stop being hypocrite and stop posting.
Technically yes this is interference but on the other hand this is breaking of EULA too. So just be glad you wasn't banned.
and i can view my traffic going in my computer so yes i was DC by GM's in the middle of fighting a TW.
Which tool do you use to check that you are disconnected by GM?
ill probably cancel 2 of my accounts today
Can I have your stuff? :D
well 2nite at 2nd siege, after watching 7 out of the 9 people in my party dc. i say in clan chat " so gm dc every1 but me? " then boom i get dcd :). u ncsoft gms are classic. keep failing while every1 in my party playing legit.
well 2nite at 2nd siege, after watching 7 out of the 9 people in my party dc. i say in clan chat " so gm dc every1 but me? " then boom i get dcd :). u ncsoft gms are classic. keep failing while every1 in my party playing legit.
I'd still love to see concrete proof that it's NC doing it. Until then, sorry.
Yesterday evening at about siege time in Chronos i was DCed 3 times on Naia where there were no sieges at all. I get like a DC per 2 weeks and that is usually a server crash, this time it was really weird, after first DC I suspected inet problems, then i turned on monitoring and internet was fine. Perhaps they started remaking peering and rerouted some traffic or providers, or their upstream providers did that, I doubt they would do it during sieges. It didnt last long enough to check this theory, but reading this topic looks like that was the reason IMO.
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do it in sieges, seriously, but do it right and ban the idiots with programs...
2 weeks ago on naia during sieges one hero shouted for gms to check for programs some clans for like and hour, then he came and posted here; so seriously if u do check ppl for using programs do so, but do it properly since like he said, it's really frustrating to get like 6 to 8 debuffs within 3 sec and being dropped so fast while being capped lv and hero...
do it in sieges, seriously, but do it right and ban the idiots with programs...
2 weeks ago on naia during sieges one hero shouted for gms to check for programs some clans for like and hour, then he came and posted here; so seriously if u do check ppl for using programs do so, but do it properly since like he said, it's really frustrating to get like 6 to 8 debuffs within 3 sec and being dropped so fast while being capped lv and hero...
2 weeks ago there were no sieges on naia.
Also, it is called teamwork (those debuffs), learn to play noob...
/sarcasm off
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Yesterday evening at about siege time in Chronos i was DCed 3 times on Naia where there were no sieges at all. I get like a DC per 2 weeks and that is usually a server crash, this time it was really weird, after first DC I suspected inet problems, then i turned on monitoring and internet was fine. Perhaps they started remaking peering and rerouted some traffic or providers, or their upstream providers did that, I doubt they would do it during sieges. It didnt last long enough to check this theory, but reading this topic looks like that was the reason IMO.
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playing on naia is lag feast you will dc, but not like a checking dc.
playing on naia is lag feast you will dc, but not like a checking dc.
For US ppl, it is probably more lagging, for euro ppl, it is not. I dont get DC more than at max once per week in regular situations (non-crash, like in sieges) and that is usually due to server crash. I think it was one of their upstream providers that was rerouting in emergency or something. I might be wrong, but chances are I am not.
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If disconnects at sieges is the small price we have to pay to have the game cleaned up from robot pvpers and in long term enjoy real pvp, im willing to pay.
it makes me happy to see GMs are actually checking and testing people.
it makes me happy to see random small chunks of my and my party's CP disappearing when we Xp, nobody else is around and no CP changing factors (gear, buffs etc) are used. It also makes me happy seing my 2 Box being randomly teleported 20 steps away (might be my lag, but if its GMs are doing it, good job, because they never teleport her into death :p)
Sure GMs shouldn't interfere with game play, but i don't think its permanent.
I could also suggest to the GMs to check for programs some players during pre-arranged 9v9 fights you may see advertised on Hero shout almost every day
*If an unknown person PMs me then it must be an alt from somebody who is afraid of me >:D
Yes, cause there is no way that the other thousand players on the server whom you've never talked to could PM you.
*If I get disconnected then it must be a GM.
Right...
Command prompt is a command interpreter used to execute other programs.
IF the program you executed is a part of the OS, then likely its not an infraction AND you can share that command. (as it wouldn't be much of secret anyways)
If the command you used isn't part of the OS, and every computer would not have access to it, then it was in all likelyhood cheating and you were intentionally kicked for breaking the EULA.
If the latter is true, the GMs were nice to you... you deserve to be killed with everything you wear landing on the ground and then perma-banned.
Truthfully, you are not going to have much pity from other players as it is a well-known fact that at least some of your clan uses cheat programs. (Insta-dying with a completely useless target before any human opponent could possibly target, having people run towards us in a safe zone the minute we click on them.) It IS possible some of you don't and were DC'd as a blanket effect.
Please either share what you ran in the command prompt or just admit it was a cheat program and end the crying.
cmd.... all computers have it.
Here I have to agree.
All Windows NT/XP/7 and EVEN Linux (core 2.95+) has that function implememnted.
Check it please.
open cmd line.
then type:
"ReasonOfDiesonect -?"
press enter
You should see something like that:
Displays Reason of Disconnection within TCP/IP network
- a Display all Reasons
- g Display ID connections terminated only by GM
- h Display ID connections terminated from your Host
- r Display routing table Reasons
Result should give you all dates and IP source or destination of disconnect.
You can redirect it into file for easier track.
regardless of how he knew he was disconnected by a gm doesnt change the fact that gm's checking people for ranger and mass disconnecting a entire siege force is being complained about here.
apparently panda likes the auto pvp that goes on now. i'll gladly take 10 siege weekends with mass disconnects by gm's as long as ranger is removed from this game completely and the gm's are actually doing there jobs.
Why are GM's disconnecting 150+ people during a siege? right when people are fighting this makes no sense when they said they wont interfere with game play really now get real.
save your tears, panda; for your next topic "GM's not allowing 150+ ppl to violate User Agreement". Thumbs up for GMs! I dont want the server die!
Well, I dont use programs and didnt get dc nto even once. Client crashed couple times but thats it. Neither my clan had a single mass dc not event of 3 ppl at same time.. oh yes.. theres that thing, we're legit and dont use programs.
save your tears, panda; for your next topic "GM's not allowing 150+ ppl to violate User Agreement". Thumbs up for GMs! I dont want the server die!
Thumbs up for GMs
Please send any info you have to me directly via PM, specifically the proof you are referring to that you were not allowed to share. Additionally, please share with me the conversation you referred to with GMZanith. If you have a ticket #, that would be great.
regardless of how he knew he was disconnected by a gm doesnt change the fact that gm's checking people for ranger and mass disconnecting a entire siege force is being complained about here.
apparently panda likes the auto pvp that goes on now. i'll gladly take 10 siege weekends with mass disconnects by gm's as long as ranger is removed from this game completely and the gm's are actually doing there jobs.
100% in agreement with Hyperlite.
Someone please check the underworld for icicles....
Well, I dont use programs and didnt get dc nto even once. Client crashed couple times but thats it. Neither my clan had a single mass dc not event of 3 ppl at same time.. oh yes.. theres that thing, we're legit and dont use programs.
Or you aren't mass petitioned by lame enemies. The fact that our enemies have threads on their private forums explicitly stating to petition as many as possible.
I am all for removing cheats from the game; however, there should be innovation in how to detect these programs. I don't think you understand how annoy it is to have critical support start disconnecting when you are facing 2/3:1 odds.
Command channel: "enemy rushing s/d"
Bishop: "**** I just dc'd"
or
Main Assist: "lets flank from behind.. okay.. rush"
me (sws): "great I just dc'd"
Meanwhile my entire party is getting mass buff stole.
Relax, ppl, I dont think it was anyone doing their job, as I said, Naia had DC too, same, not everyone, but some ppl more than once, at about the same time (didnt check clock but almost sure) when Chronos must have had sieges.
I wish it was true and they would have checked bots, but I dont think this is likely, as you can see, nobody is complaining about bans and the usual **** about legits being banned while their enemies blah-blah, doesnt apear anywhere. Do you realistically think that if GMs were checking bots NOBODY would have been banned ? GMs do know who is botting, who is using ranger, they just decided not to ban them, at least for the time being.
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man there is some really stupid people in this thread. i was taunting the gms in the game and they start porting me and dcing me everywhere. lol. obviously i just regularly disconnected along with 70 other people. must be the broken internets!
i was taunting the gms in the game and they start porting me and dcing me everywhere. lol. obviously i just regularly disconnected along with 70 other people. must be the broken internets!
Proof or /Fail.
ill cancel accounts today, was the stupidist thing i have ever seen gms do. right in the middle of pvp. game isnt worth playing anymore, brb DC universe.
Werent you quitting game, btw?
We have investigated all GM activity during the Territory War siege on Saturday and have found no GM's were involved with Territory War participants being disconnected at any time during the siege.
Our GM team works very hard on a daily basis. Any unfounded accusations or speculation against them will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any specific, direct evidence of a GM acting inappropriately, they should send all information directly to myself or to Sace via PM so we can investigate.
We have investigated all GM activity during the Territory War siege on Saturday and have found no GM's were involved with Territory War participants being disconnected at any time during the siege.
Our GM team works very hard on a daily basis. Any unfounded accusations or speculation against them will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any specific, direct evidence of a GM acting inappropriately, they should send all information directly to myself or to Sace via PM so we can investigate.
Thank you,
-Moxie
pity... i was really hopeing for that :p
thanks for clarifying anyway :)
We have investigated all GM activity during the Territory War siege on Saturday and have found no GM's were involved with Territory War participants being disconnected at any time during the siege.
Our GM team works very hard on a daily basis. Any unfounded accusations or speculation against them will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any specific, direct evidence of a GM acting inappropriately, they should send all information directly to myself or to Sace via PM so we can investigate.
Thank you,
-Moxie
And NCSoft was able to detect walker and no gamegaurd before 6 months ago... Lets get real.
One of the few advantages to playing L2 without third party assistance, is that you dont have to spend your ingame time thinking that every internet hiccup and game glitch is a lurking GM poised to hit you on the nose with his rolled up ban-newspaper.
Something to consider before posting another useless thread.
One of the few advantages to playing L2 without third party assistance, is that you dont have to spend your ingame time thinking that every internet hiccup and game glitch is a lurking GM poised to hit you on the nose with his rolled up ban-newspaper.
Something to consider before posting another useless thread.
We have investigated all GM activity during the Territory War siege on Saturday and have found no GM's were involved with Territory War participants being disconnected at any time during the siege.
Our GM team works very hard on a daily basis. Any unfounded accusations or speculation against them will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any specific, direct evidence of a GM acting inappropriately, they should send all information directly to myself or to Sace via PM so we can investigate.
One of the few advantages to playing L2 without third party assistance, is that you dont have to spend your ingame time thinking that every internet hiccup and game glitch is a lurking GM poised to hit you on the nose with his rolled up ban-newspaper.
Something to consider before posting another useless thread.
make sense then come back.
I think he is trying to infer that only criminals get freaked out when they hear the sirens of the police.
crim·i·nal (krm-nl)
adj.
1. Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.
2. Relating to the administration of penal law.
3. a. Guilty of crime.
3. b. Characteristic of a criminal.
4. Shameful; disgraceful: a criminal waste of talent.
n. One that has committed or been legally convicted of a crime.
crim·i·nal (krm-nl)
adj.
1. Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.
2. Relating to the administration of penal law.
3.
a. Guilty of crime.
b. Characteristic of a criminal.
4. Shameful; disgraceful: a criminal waste of talent.
n.
One that has committed or been legally convicted of a crime.
gl in jail then.
As this is quickly degenerating, I'm going to lock this thread. Again, if anyone has specific details for any inappropriate GM behavior, please send the information to myself or Sace via PM.