I am currently playing on 17th Korean server. (of 30 we have.)
I am 100% Lv. 85 Doombringer with 76-75-80(Judi) subs.
After reading some of your concerns and replies on previous article, I just had to create an account to share what I know about the new project GoD with you guys.
What I understand about the new project based on the interview the producers of the Lineage II had couple of days ago is that 35 classes will now be merged down to 8 classes.
The concept is, after reaching lv.85, you get an opportunity to get the power of one of the 8 great ancient giants to fight against the GoD based on your class tree, different warriors are now going to be one warrior, and different rogues are now going to be one rogue and so forth.
What you must understand is though, even though the classes are reduced and all same class will share same skill even with difference in race, each race will receive their own unique race skills. For example, the orc race will get the passive barrier that would be activated when he received the damage that would reduce his health below 0.
The entire dark elf race will get an automatic resurrection when dead. (I don’t know how long the delay is.) The Kamels are going to be able to deal more heavier damages on PvK… etc.
So even though the classes are reduced down to 8, each race is still going to be unique.
You will have access to many more new and different faces and hair styles.
R grade weapons and armors are going to be released. And the colors of the weapon when enchanted are going to be more detailed.
Let me explain about the new 8 classes now.
(I don’t know if I spelled them right, I am just translating the name that I know in Korean as it gets pronounced.)
1. Siegel Knights
The entire knight classes are now going to be merged into one tanker called Siegel knight.
No warriors are now going to be able to replace the knight class.
Rest of the party is now going to heavily rely on tankers defense skill when in party.
They will be able to continuously cast hate skill when even dead, and can be resurrected instantly to protect the party. And they can also pull the party out of the danger.
2. Tyr Warriors
All the warriors are now going to be merged into one class called Tyr Warrior.
They are going to be an expert of all weapons. Especially spear.
They are going to be very strong against multiple enemies. They are expert on reducing the defense of the enemies and mesmerizing them. They can increase the attack and defense ability of the whole party.
Good news for all of you Kamaels, now you can wear the heavy armor.
3. Assail Rogue
All the rogues are now going to be merged into one class called Assail Rogue.
They will contribute the level of hate of the mobs against certain classes and change the order. For example, if the mob has most hate against the healer and would attack the healer first, the assail rogue can change that against toward the tanker.
Their ‘hide’ skill gets enhanced, can cast multiple mirror images of oneself that has reduced ability then oneself, but others cannot tell which one is the real you.
The assail rogue also uses two different kinds of poisons that enhances a critical chance, reduce movement speed and prevents enemies from casting spell.
They will mostly take the role of luring the mobs and prevent them from casting spells. http://p.playforum.net/uByCgf1296468354405qLUMF.png
4. Yield Archer
All the archer class is now going to be called Yield archer.
They have the fastest movement speed above of all the classes. Now they can use both the bow and the bow gun. The archers can summon a lightning falcon that can attack. The yield archer will no longer need to carry any arrows but can shoot out three different kinds of magic arrows, each has different effects. One deals higher critical damage, another deals multiple damage on multiple enemies and the other that can deal sustainable damage.
They will acquire special trap skills that are similar to the ones from the tricksters but are stronger, and can increase their attack speed dramatically temporarily.
It seems they have been improved on the PvK also. They can push back the enemy with the bow and shoot out an arrow that reduces the movement speed of the enemy.
Just like the assail rogues, they can control the aggressiveness of the mobs toward the tanker, and when in danger, they can ‘dribble’ the monsters.
5. Win Summoner
All the summoners are going to be called Win Summoner.
They can summon multiple creatures and would be somewhat similar to the new wizard class, the Paired Wizard. They will be able to summon an ultimate creature.
They are experts on de-buffs.
6. Paired Wizard
The entire wizards are now going to be called Paired Wizard. They have mastered all the elementals. Whatever the elemental you choose, all of your attack skill would be syncronized to that elemental (and can be switched easily), except some of the ultimate spells. They can double cast any magic of 4 elemental attacks. They can also cast one de-buff and one attack spells at same time, or even cast double de-buff spells. Because they are extremely vulnerable at close combat, they have skills that prevent the enemy from getting close.
7. Eath Enchanter
All the buffer class would be called the Eath enchanter. (Includes the Kamael Judicator.)
Even the dancers and singers are now going to be the Eath Enchanter. They will be expert on dual weapons, including the dual blunt weapons. They will get rush skill that will get them get closer to the monster quickly. They are the point guard of the party if compared to the basket ball. They can take the party out of the danger when necessary. They can turn the mobs into a butter fly or a pig.
8. Aeore Healer
All the healers are now going to be one under class called Aeore Healer.
They can summon ‘lumi’ to help them do solo play. But not recommended to summon it when in party, because it reduces the healing ability.
They can also summon the fairy of life to aid them healing the party. You could assign the fairy of the life to heal exclusively on one character, and then it will automatically heal that character any time he/she needs to be healed. This means less pressing that hated ‘F1’ button. You can let the fairy of life heal one while you concentrate healing the others.
They can also summon trees that replenish life, removes de-buff and enhances defense.
All classes are going to receive an unique ride based on the race that has special skills.
Conclusion.
The new project GoD is most extreme update the NCSoft has ever attempted. It is almost looks like a whole new game that still has lineage heritage. It’s already starting to bring some of the old users back and also I see many new users too.
Because it’s still being updated and the full detail has not been released, we can expect that our beloved L2 is going to transform into something refreshing and exciting again. And, yeah.. better graphic for sure.
I really wanted to post more pictures for you guys. But I currently have restriction and can post only up to 4 pictures. sorry about that.
I hope this article would answer some of you that had questions on the new projects and also some of you that had concern. But in my opinion, all is going to be better.
Here they go again with the "I am going to quit!!" "They don't know what we want!!" "They never care about us!!"
Just remember, if you are planning to "emoquit" mail me all your stuff and I will hold on to it until you return.
Classes can still use skills prior to the third class change after Awakening. Nevertheless, comparing the skills before and after Awakening; the effectiveness of skills before Awakening is clearly weaker. Assuming players will still need to use skills learnt after Awakening.
From my experience, somehow many of my friends who had left the L2 for newer game like Aion:(, or a popular game like WOW:mad:, always ends up coming back to L2 after a while. The new game 'Tera' is also very popular and hot in Korea now because of it's amazing graphic and game quality. But they always come back for some reason.. :D
There still something about L2 that is different than any other game that makes the user eventually come back.. :cool:
So destructor essentially they are rendering anything before 85 as a waste of time IE quests, gear, skills, enchants, tattoos.
That is a long way for a new player to go before any fun can be had in game. And the gap with these new skills and old ones is so huge that if your not 85+ your game is over?
Why not just wipe all toons and start over at level 1 with these new classes? Do they say there is any point in your old classes or work prior to 85 if none of the skills or bonuses will apply?
By the way, Tera-online was actually the Lineage 3 project that got stolen. One of the team member of Tera creation team actually got arrested and is in the jail now.
There's going to be lots of events that would make your lvl up whole lot easier. I've seen newely created charactor reaching lvl 85 in about 5 months. It was on of my friend who newely joined the L2 about 8 month ago. he chose Titan and he has reached lvl 85 in little more than 5 month, but defnitly less than in 6 month. No auto programs or bots.
In Korea, they also sell the cash item. For example, a bottle of milk that would give you most vital buffs. Cookies that has effects of counter critical, big, gain.. etc.
They also sell some accesaries and rides too.
Now we don't just pay cash to continue our service on monthly base. You pay with N-coin, that can be purchased with cash to pay for the account at same time that can be used toward some of the cash items that I have mentioned.
But with any situation, if you are playing solo, you are not going to lvl up as fast as if you get help from some of your high lvl friends. We help many of lower leveled characters lvl up in our guild.
Basically if you help each other, you'd lvl up faster.
And ofcourse, some of the newest hunting area offers very nice xps.
And your current skills and weapon and armor is not a complete waste.
We are just getting newer skills and newer armor and weapons.
I don't really use that many 2nd lvl skill after I aquired 3rd lvl skill.
I used to wear 7866 majestic set which I thought was gretest, but once I got the dynasty set, I never went back to it unless I was playing subs.
It's just additional features.
They are not going to wipe out what we already have. Yes definitly some skills would be affected, but when there's going to be newer, and better skills.. it really doesn't matter I don't think.
For example, when I was Berzerker, I relied on shoulder charge so much and was great. However, once I learned the rush impact after I became a Doombringer.. it's not even on my short cut any more.
I guess it's going to be same thing with the new skills.
I like new changes, but I don't like that they destroy what we have here. I hate that remaking locations into higher level ones. I would prefer to have at least a little version of old locations somewhere. Not as wide as they used to be, but still available. I don't like that everything around is changing so fast.
Up until some point game was extending, it was growing and new locations were made from scratch, not out of old ones. Then, developers got lazy, they started to copy-paste armors, weapons with minor changes, they started to do same with mobs and they started to share skills.
It is the easiest way to add old location a bunch of levels and some glow on old mobs and bump, you have totally new location, with same quest, just not for 20+, but for 80+. Boring and disappointing :(
Why l2 world can't grow, why it should stay in same borders and places should be tremendously changed every 2 months?
I would love to have all these locations that I was playing at when I was growing.
LoA for example was very nice location, hard enough so you don't get sleeping while grinding, not solo, so you take someone to play with you, with many mobs of different levels and good quests, drops, spoils. I understand that new LoA is good too, but why can't they copy-paste old one and put new one in another place? Or at least in another dimension.
All old locations could be like in a parallel world. For example until you're 80+, you have access only to world #1 with all old locations, once you're 80+, you move to world #2 with all revamped locations, new quests and so on.
Same with that goddess of destruction. It could've been parallel world #3 where Talking Island and many other towns are ruined and all these new locations appear. I don't think it's as hard as making numerous instance zones.
But... well... for that developers need brains and will power to NOT RUIN what we had, just to CREATE something new, even if it's just a revamped copy.
I guess at some point I will have to go to private to enjoy previous lineage I once loved.
I totally understand your fraustration. However, from my experience with the new system, because you are now able to lvl up so fast from lvl 40 to 85, all the old locations that we've been spending time to grind and lvl up, just don't seem to be needed any more.
And with new replace location with new monsters and ,, oh man.. all that good xps.... you never even want to go back to the old ones even if I'd still have an access.
Things change in time. Usually for the better.
All the changes that I've experienced, all used to complained when the gm decides to change on something. I've never seen one change where the users agreed and welcomed. But after a while, you realize that the new change is better than what you used to have.. and you ..just stop complain any more..
I think same thing will happen with the new project too.
Here they go again with the "I am going to quit!!" "They don't know what we want!!" "They never care about us!!"
Just remember, if you are planning to "emoquit" mail me all your stuff and I will hold on to it until you return.
Classes can still use skills prior to the third class change after Awakening. Nevertheless, comparing the skills before and after Awakening; the effectiveness of skills before Awakening is clearly weaker. Assuming players will still need to use skills learnt after Awakening.
Can someone mail me no grade soul shots and armors and weapon please?
Same ID in chronos as my ID here.
It's really annoying starting from scratch.. lol and some Grade D equipment and soulshots too..
I see you guys got the Nevi system.. with this, leveling up is easy. This will get enhanced on next upgrade and will be even better.. You guys wait and see it.. Good days are coming.. just be patient.
NO one in the server I talk to, to get some help to get no grade equpment would help me. No one..
I already can tell the difference between Korean server and US server. lol
and I see why you guys are so struggling leveling up..
There's no 'we' here.. correct me if I'm wrong..
NO one in the server I talk to, to get some help to get no grade equpment would help me. No one..
I already can tell the difference between Korean server and US server. lol
and I see why you guys are so struggling leveling up..
There's no 'we' here.. correct me if I'm wrong..
You are correct for 97% of the US/EU server population. There's no 'we' unless there's 'I' first for here. If you're on Trial account, you can't collect mails. :/
I saw a dice at the grocery store which we don't have.. After playing with it for couple of times,, I could guess what it's for..
We don't have that.. in Korea..
NO one in the server I talk to, to get some help to get no grade equpment would help me. No one..
I already can tell the difference between Korean server and US server. lol
and I see why you guys are so struggling leveling up..
There's no 'we' here.. correct me if I'm wrong..
You are right about that - I would love to play on the Korean servers, if I could. I do not like the "me before everyone else" attitude of most players, or the "who cares about what you think, as long as it is fun for me" griefing attitude. Thankfully I found a nice clan on Chronos with many same-minded people, although of course it is also not a top pvp/castle-holding clan because of that. This stupid attitude of many players is also the main reason why games like L2 and Aion fail here - it makes the people who are not "top" leave the game, because they ask themselves "why should I pay money to be annoyed by others".
In our server, any PvE clans are allowed to own two castle, the gludio and dion castle. The rest are for the PvP clans.
PvE clans will fight for those two castle not from the greed, but for fun.
And it doesn't really matter who owns the castle. Ofcourse the PvP clans cares on how many catles they have to get and so forth.. but they never get their hands on these two castles.
The PvP clans leave the PvE clans alone as long as they get respected.
I think about 70% of the users are PvE, and the rest are PvP. Most PvE clans don't care about the castles. They are interested in getting in to a good hunting party and enjoy. We usually try to help each other to have fun.
PvP players fight each other for their own interests and enjoyment.
Depends on the server, there are PvP clans that restricting certain good raids and hunting ground from PvE players from getting their hands on, but most servers are like my servers.
i come back to this game once every 6 months or so, but end up leaving before the month is up because no one will play with me =(
it doesnt matter what you add to the game and whatnot... the player base was always what made it good when it was good.
this game will be a success if somehow we can get people to come play it.
if people dont come play it, it will keep failing harder and harder. so go play PR, people. i have yet to reach lvl 80 and i made my acct in 2004 haha.
So Vanguard/Inquisitor will be completely **** after awakening as I see? Or it will be better and better with next levels as it is now?
I just don't want to turn into a ****-hating only tank without good skills to make nice damage on mobs :\ And second thing: 2 tanks wants to go in party but only 1 is needed, now it is easy cause vanguard turns second one into a fighter, how it will be in GoD...?
It's just like aion-wow clone - 8 classess with racial skills. No, I don't like these changes, even if they looking so nice... But propably I will be playing and I will be assimilated :P :)
Tanks will have an important role in GoD. Players will find a lot of hunting grounds become very difficult to exp in without a tank (Sigel Knight). They will be the only class that can minimise dmg taken and 'hex curse' from the GoD group mobs. AI of the mobs will be changed also. It will observe and lock down target or interrupt player's powerful casts/attacks. In some hunting grounds, multiple tanks are needed due to some 'leader' will curse the tank and increase its dmg received.
In our server, any PvE clans are allowed to own two castle, the gludio and dion castle. The rest are for the PvP clans.
PvE clans will fight for those two castle not from the greed, but for fun.
And it doesn't really matter who owns the castle. Ofcourse the PvP clans cares on how many catles they have to get and so forth.. but they never get their hands on these two castles.
They seriously do this? Here PvP clans could care less about anyone else in the server. It's all about keeping as many castles and make as much money from it. Dion is also seen as the best castle for a PvP clan because of the Castle residence skills. Greed seems to be the motivator of a lot of people on these servers and the use of programs to achieve it.
Though there are enough nice people too on both servers. You just have to look for them.
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Can someone mail me no grade soul shots and armors and (...)
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NO one in the server I talk to, to get some help to get no grade equpment would help me. No one..
I already can tell the difference between Korean server and US server. lol
ok ... so you realy know the diffrence of 2 cultures in 30minutes ... wow ^^
i wouldnt give nograde/d-grade to a "newbie" too ... that is so easy to archive these days and if a new player dont even has the patient to "work" for these easy things .. its defnitly the wrong game for him.
In our server, any PvE clans are allowed to own two castle, the gludio and dion castle. The rest are for the PvP clans.
PvE clans will fight for those two castle not from the greed, but for fun.
And it doesn't really matter who owns the castle. Ofcourse the PvP clans cares on how many catles they have to get and so forth.. but they never get their hands on these two castles.
The PvP clans leave the PvE clans alone as long as they get respected.
I think about 70% of the users are PvE, and the rest are PvP. Most PvE clans don't care about the castles. They are interested in getting in to a good hunting party and enjoy. We usually try to help each other to have fun.
PvP players fight each other for their own interests and enjoyment.
Depends on the server, there are PvP clans that restricting certain good raids and hunting ground from PvE players from getting their hands on, but most servers are like my servers.
Now you made me wish that I could play on the Korean servers. Been playing L2 for nearly 5 years and never done any PvP at all, except for a few castle sieges just for fun (until the trash of the server show up with 3rd party programs).
friend took break from l2 (he started same time as me C1), 3 weeks ago and is lvl75 alrdy in WOW.
but he told me hes getting bored of the game alrdy as its far to easy for him.
and pvp is a joke..even if the server ur joining says "pvp" server, dont be fooled..there is no open pvp!
tho he did say the community are more relaxed and not like "spoiled brats" lol.
he was supprised how few ppl even heard of l2!
hes activating his l2 account end of month :). (welcome back big guy).
i think we all need to ask why "u" still play l2.....for me its the sence i still have many things to achieve, a goals to reach.....as with any game i've "completed", they just endup in a box collecting dust.
so much of the game is now gettting by-passed, its a real shame.
no i'm not quitting...love this game...just not the direction game seems to be heading :).
Omg... I think I will have a blast, when I go spend 4months in China..
I can access the Korean servers from China, right?
No, you can't. I know a Korean friend on L2 which got transferred to work in Hong Kong and he is blocked from playing the Korean server, that's why he's playing on the NA server here now :D
This update seems very bad for lineage2, yea they are really remaking the game but it seems to go in the direction I dont want.
But I just have to wait and see.
I am really shocked to see the community board is.. empty.. in US server..:eek:
This seems to be bugged. No one ever uses it. On Naia, the European server, it is empty too. All communication here goes via this forum and a few private websites.
But first of all a somewhat belated Happy New Year!
SAM has quoted the Runic alphabet in Korean spelling at the beginning of his article. You will realize immediately what it is about - the class names are just ancient Nordic letters :)
Would appreciate it if you could answer this question many of us have as there seems to be quite some confusion about the Korean dev blog on it (want to know it based on Korean facts and not Taiwanese interpretation - no offense Elmar ^^")
What will happen with our current skills 2nd class/3rd class and their existing skill OE in GoD ?
If I had to assume, probably the same thing that happened to our 1st class skills. They're there and available for use, except we won't use them. Similar to how there isn't much point in using Stun Attack or Wild Sweep over Hammer Crush or Whirlwind, except in emergency situations as an added last hope stun or damaging ability, etc..
I'm unable to find the logic behind removing skills from a class once they hit a certain level or milestone, it makes no sense; but, even if they do, it sounds like they're implementing features to keep some uniqueness in the game
ok ... so you realy know the diffrence of 2 cultures in 30minutes ... wow ^^
i wouldnt give nograde/d-grade to a "newbie" too ... that is so easy to archive these days and if a new player dont even has the patient to "work" for these easy things .. its defnitly the wrong game for him.
That is a bit beside the point. Destructor is not a "newbie" but a lvl 85 player from Korea who wanted to take a look around on the US server. If he understands our situation, he might be able to post about it on the NCKorea forum :)
And he has already "worked", a lot, by making the translation, typing it up, getting a trial account and posting it here for everybody to read. You refuse to pay him for his work :)
Like always, we would like to get first hand information, like what you did for the community Elmar and some people are not gratefull for the info you were able to collect, translate, syndicate on one spot so it's just not ripped out of context.
I would suggest to some people - try getting one-two high quality article up can be a guide for quest, class, gameplay and note how much time it takes to get it done. Then re-consider.
Like always, we would like to get first hand information, like what you did for the community Elmar and some people are not gratefull for the info you were able to collect, translate, syndicate on one spot so it's just not ripped out of context.
I would suggest to some people - try getting one-two high quality article up can be a guide for quest, class, gameplay and note how much time it takes to get it done. Then re-consider.
I actually found an interview from the dev's saying
in order to learn the 4th lvl skill, some of your 2nd and 3rd lvl skills needs to be traded in. Which means I guess you will have to give up on some of your beloved skills.
Saddly yes, people on NA/EU servers are pretty much self-centered (weird thing when you come to play on a MMO): You just have to see how much boxes some people can log instead of looking for people to party with (even inside of clan lulz). Playing myself support class, that's one of the main reason which makes me move from those servers.
Anyways, about the GoD update, I really don't understand the developers logic (if they ever had one...). Honestly the 35 classes of L2 was a part of it's richness: if we wanted to had the choice among 8 classes only, and an instanced game we would just have moved to Aion... We don't want to play a new game u_u...
An other thing too: I don't know how it is on Koreans servers, but here on Euro/RU servers, players are mostly playing in constant party, some with same member for years now. Since party will be limited to 7 members only, what are going to do the 2 players that are from too much now ? And by the way with the merges of classes, we will have 3 buffers, 2 healers for one party... great !
I think it will be time for me to stop this game when this update will hit our servers :) ... Lineage II will just keep it's name, but it will not Lineage II anymore.
I am even wondering why I am still playing yet, since I know all my effort are going to be wasted...
Otherwise, I am curious to know what Korean players are thinking about this incomming changes.
It's really too bad that we don't have any common board where people from all existing official servers could discuss together: I would like so much to talk with my Korean Prophet colleagues :D ! (By the way, I am curious about their thoughts on the fact that you can buy their best buff, Counter Critical... That just pathetic, NCsoft really don't bring Prophet in it's heart...)
Anyways, it's really cool to have a Korean player comming to chat a bit with us here ! I would like to ask you so much question =P !
I actually found an interview from the dev's saying
in order to learn the 4th lvl skill, some of your 2nd and 3rd lvl skills needs to be traded in. Which means I guess you will have to give up on some of your beloved skills.
I actually found an interview from the dev's saying
in order to learn the 4th lvl skill, some of your 2nd and 3rd lvl skills needs to be traded in. Which means I guess you will have to give up on some of your beloved skills.
Those enchanted skills would be rewarded.
Another thing would be that, unless they change the skill OE like we have it right now, the 2nd/3rd class skills would become obsolete anyway against higher level players/mobs, because of the level difference between mobs/players and the skills. Right now, you need to enchant your skills to +15/+30 to make them land well on lvl 85 players/mobs. If you cannot enchant them higher in the GoD update, they will fail a lot on lvl 90/95/99 players/mobs.
I am sorry I don't have time to translate it at this moment.
Use the translation tools, you will get the general idea.
I'll translate them and post it when I have time to do it.
Ah, now we see clearer!
Actually we were talking about two different Korean articles, the one by Deba on Inven (on which the Taiwanese version is based), and the one by Johann on Playforum, which I had so far not seen. The two reporters have possibly heard/understood different things from what the developers were saying :)
Another thing would be that, unless they change the skill OE like we have it right now, the 2nd/3rd class skills would become obsolete anyway against higher level players/mobs, because of the level difference between mobs/players and the skills. Right now, you need to enchant your skills to +15/+30 to make them land well on lvl 85 players/mobs. If you cannot enchant them higher in the GoD update, they will fail a lot on lvl 90/95/99 players/mobs.
But what about Kiss of Eva enchanted for +30 time? :o
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(Newer patterns of skills have been also added. Throwing mobs on the air to hold, or multiple knock back concept skills are added. Thus the battle would be more diverse.)
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(To learn the awakening skills, 2nd and 3rd lvl skills must have been learned in advanced. More awakening skills you learn, more of your old skills are going to be forgotten. For those enchanted 2nd and 3rd skills would be rewarded when forgotten.)
Another thing would be that, unless they change the skill OE like we have it right now, the 2nd/3rd class skills would become obsolete anyway against higher level players/mobs, because of the level difference between mobs/players and the skills. Right now, you need to enchant your skills to +15/+30 to make them land well on lvl 85 players/mobs. If you cannot enchant them higher in the GoD update, they will fail a lot on lvl 90/95/99 players/mobs.
This kind of thing was changed long time ago. Players level = skills level. Skill no longer should be enchanted to increase its level. Now skill enchantment only adds extra effect.
If you don't believe me, try wind striking level 85 player. You will never fail(like it used to be 1 dmg or resisted) but you won't do much damage either because of low wind strikes basic power.
What will happen with the Olympiad Games? I read will any World Olympiad Games in the GoD update too. If will available the Olympiad Games we will play it with out 3rd classes or with our 4th classes?
I read in a interview will Country War system and will be any King system too.
Do you know something about these?
As we could hear from you some 2nd/3rd skill will forgotten if we learn 4th skills maybe we can decide next to keep our 3rd class and play with it at lvl 85+ too?
I read still in an interview they want give much higher focus to PvP too and they want make much more massive sieges with many new features. Do you know about them something?
And my last question:) If the Korean community on the PTS won't enjoy the changes in the GoD, maybe is the NCsoft ready to remake or delete the Goddess of Destruction update?
What will happen with the Olympiad Games? I read will any World Olympiad Games in the GoD update too. If will available the Olympiad Games we will play it with out 3rd classes or with our 4th classes?
(They havent mentioned anything about the Olympiad in GoD. I guess what you get on High5 is what you are going to end up with on GoD.)
I read in a interview will Country War system and will be any King system too.
Do you know something about these?
(I don't know what this is about.)
As we could hear from you some 2nd/3rd skill will forgotten if we learn 4th skills maybe we can decide next to keep our 3rd class and play with it at lvl 85+ too?
(I guess since you have to give up 2/3rd skill to get awakening skills, you could also keep them if you don't give them up and not learn the awakening skills, but why would you.. in my opinion..)
I read still in an interview they want give much higher focus to PvP too and they want make much more massive sieges with many new features. Do you know about them something?
(Nope.)
And my last question:) If the Korean community on the PTS won't enjoy the changes in the GoD, maybe is the NCsoft ready to remake or delete the Goddess of Destruction update?
(They will probably not ditch the whole idea, but they do modify if most users are against some changes. PTS has huge effects on updates.)
For damage dealing skills, maybe. For debuffs, no.
Not sure what you referring to but debuffs such as Hex, Judgment lands no matter the enchant. I mean I blew up hex few times and had no SP and still it was landing same on both players/mobs.
However the thing with magical debufs in melee spots is that magical debufs are m atk dependent and mobs in melee designed areas have very strong m def. Which results in debuffs failing to land. But if you try same thing in HB it works pretty sweat.
In our server, any PvE clans are allowed to own two castle, the gludio and dion castle. The rest are for the PvP clans.
PvE clans will fight for those two castle not from the greed, but for fun.
And it doesn't really matter who owns the castle. Ofcourse the PvP clans cares on how many catles they have to get and so forth.. but they never get their hands on these two castles.
The PvP clans leave the PvE clans alone as long as they get respected.
Oh god, how I wish clans had the common sense to do this here. The servers would benefit so much from just backing off of two castles and leaving them for the lesser clans to fight for. I would think it would be a bigger boost in ego for some people. When they can say that certain castles are beneath their notice. But here nothing is beneath the top players. If there was a dirt hill on talking island that made D-grade enchant scrolls, some group of level 85 players would come through and kill everyone so their alt clan can claim it.
Seriously, maybe we need to change the way we play here just a bit.
I actually found an interview from the dev's saying
in order to learn the 4th lvl skill, some of your 2nd and 3rd lvl skills needs to be traded in. Which means I guess you will have to give up on some of your beloved skills.
Those enchanted skills would be rewarded.
><" wonder what we get back for +30 skills..
please let us know when there's a list posted at Korean website/forum showing which skills we have to give up..
Would appreciate it if you could answer this question many of us have as there seems to be quite some confusion about the Korean dev blog on it (want to know it based on Korean facts and not Taiwanese interpretation - no offense Elmar ^^")
You do realize that the Taiwanese translations are a direct translate from the Korean facts (Inven), right? lawlz.
I can't post a picture from my computer. My picture image is too big to attach no matter how much I reduce the size of it..
How do you post a picture of your screen shots on here?
Do not use the "attach" option. When you edit a post, choose the second icon from the right in the second row (the one which looks like a photograph, right next to the "speech bubble"). Then you can enter a URL to a picture which is stored somewhere else on the internet.
When you upload a picture there, you get a list of links at the end. Choose the one called "direct link" and enter that link when you click the "insert image" button in your message here on the board.
You do realize that the Taiwanese translations are a direct translate from the Korean facts (Inven), right? lawlz.
it's a translation never the less and things do get lost sometimes, I'm familiar with the Korean/Taiwan/Japan/Russian sites and occasionally there are minor differences like with what was supposed to happen with the skills..
also I'm a friend of Elmar and even he had his doubts in that particular case hence my question for destructor who was kind enough to answer & showing his source which was an interview most of us weren't even aware existed.
ignorance is bliz ;)
ps, can't blame you for not realizing who is posting here as my main account is still temp forum banned but that shouldn't have mattered anyways ^^"
it's a translation never the less and things do get lost sometimes, I'm familiar with the Korean/Taiwan/Japan/Russian sites and occasionally there are minor differences like with what was supposed to happen with the skills..
also I'm a friend of Elmar and even he had his doubts in that particular case hence my question for destructor who was kind enough to answer & showing his source which was an interview most of us weren't even aware existed.
ignorance is bliz ;)
ps, can't blame you for not realizing who is posting here as my main account is still temp forum banned but that shouldn't have mattered anyways ^^"
They are all basically the same ****. It's more likely that different reporter (for the 2 Korean ones) interprets/express 'one same' information slightly different; plus the devs are still working on GoD, so ideas can still be constantly changed.
"The whole GoD project is too big and the players are getting tired of waiting for the development and progress, that's why they are releasing what they developed so far and will do updates every 7-8 months."
Yes, ignorance is bliss ;)
add: oh yes, and I have to agree with ya that I don't trust any source that comes from Russia.
Well, the most important now maybe to know what the Korean player base want or don't want in the GoD update.
destructor maybe can tell this to us.
destructor as you could read on the forum the European, Russian and American player base don't want at firstly 4 changes in the GoD:
- The classes from 35 reduced to 8.
- Some of our skills will be forgotten.
- Maximum members of party from 9 reduced to 7.
- They all want be sure, that we will have Olympiad Games in the future too.
We would like too, if the development team listen to us too. I understand, that the Korean region mean for them much higher money, but they could get here much higher player base to if they could listen to our requests.
I think we are missing a lot of information for the time being.
Maybe the 2/3rd jobs skills that we will lose are the ones commons among the same category of job.
For exemple, the Knights can lose the old UD for a new one, they all have it so no problem. But they will certainly keep the skills that make a HK different from a PK (like the panthere summon, ToD etc...). The even if the HK and the PK awake to the new Knight class they will still be different and have their own playing style.
Well, the most important now maybe to know what the Korean player base want or don't want in the GoD update.
destructor maybe can tell this to us.
destructor as you could read on the forum the European, Russian and American player base don't want at firstly 4 changes in the GoD:
- The classes from 35 reduced to 8.
- Some of our skills will be forgotten.
- Maximum members of party from 9 reduced to 7.
- They all want be sure, that we will have Olympiad Games in the future too.
We would like too, if the development team listen to us too. I understand, that the Korean region mean for them much higher money, but they could get here much higher player base to if they could listen to our requests.
I think we are missing a lot of information for the time being.
Maybe the 2/3rd jobs skills that we will lose are the ones commons among the same category of job.
For exemple, the Knights can lose the old UD for a new one, they all have it so no problem. But they will certainly keep the skills that make a HK different from a PK (like the panthere summon, ToD etc...). The even if the HK and the PK awake to the new Knight class they will still be different and have their own playing style.
yes, if their unique 2nd/3rd class skills could stay on the 4th classes it would be great to these will come the race skills. This could be really interesting but, I say still better if we can keep our 3rd class and if they want 4th classes lets get every classes a unique 4th class
NO one in the server I talk to, to get some help to get no grade equpment would help me. No one..
I already can tell the difference between Korean server and US server. lol
and I see why you guys are so struggling leveling up..
There's no 'we' here.. correct me if I'm wrong..
I sent you money the other day via mail. Tbh, the time you were posting was middle of the night for North America and early morning for Europe, so basically no one was around on NA server.
Thx for the info btw. Our play style is different here tbh. Most of the people you see posting on these boards are carebears that don't like to pvp, but in game you'll definitely find more aggressive players. On that note, I have a question and a request, which of course you're free to ignore if you so choose:
The question- Is there a big issue on the Korean servers with pvp bot programs? We're plagued by them and it's really affected the quality of the game here (I can't really name the programs without getting them edited by the moderator).
The request- We are used to just getting handed whatever update is designed for Korea, and of course no profound changes can be made for our servers. However, this is such a huge update to the game that many of us would REALLY appreciate some interaction with the Korean devs before they finalize this. Perhaps you can relay that request to them via the Korean forums.
I sent you money the other day via mail. Tbh, the time you were posting was middle of the night for North America and early morning for Europe, so basically no one was around on NA server.
Thx for the info btw. Our play style is different here tbh. Most of the people you see posting on these boards are carebears that don't like to pvp, but in game you'll definitely find more aggressive players. On that note, I have a question and a request, which of course you're free to ignore if you so choose:
The question- Is there a big issue on the Korean servers with pvp bot programs? We're plagued by them and it's really affected the quality of the game here (I can't really name the programs without getting them edited by the moderator).
The request- We are used to just getting handed whatever update is designed for Korea, and of course no profound changes can be made for our servers. However, this is such a huge update to the game that many of us would REALLY appreciate some interaction with the Korean devs before they finalize this. Perhaps you can relay that request to them via the Korean forums.
Thx again for the info and stay well.
i was going to ask something similar as i was curious.
And now...
Breaking news:
first glimpse on the next update after GoD, called "Weed of Collapse"!!!
...There will be introduced one Final Ultimately Comprehensive Quest to go through the 5th class change.
Having completed the quest, everyone becomes lvl 100 Terminator, which is the name of the one and only class to remain in Lineage II.
...To make the game even more versatile and diversified than before, all pre-lvl 100 skills will be removed, as there will be only one skill available for that class: "Combo-PwnAll" (alternative translation: "GameOver").
...Since all players (all the four or five of them) will be lvl 100 by that point, all hunting grounds will be compressed into one, called Singularity.
There will be a special dimensional portal leading to Singularity, called Black Hole. It's one-way only. Once you enter it, time stops and you can finally feel freed from the grind.
In the meantime I took a closer look at the Playforum interview destructor linked for us.
First of all, Deba from Inven talked, apart from Chief Developer (now officially called "Creative Director") Han Jae-hyeok and Chief Level Designer Nam Gung-gon, to Chief Combat Designer Nam Taek-rim, while Johann from Playforum had, apart from Han Jae-hyeok and Nam Gung-gon, the Business Team Leader Lee Sang-h.u.i [censored] as well as Lee Seong-gu from the Business Planning Team. Apparently the two reporters conducted separate interviews.
We must assume that Johann had read Deba's article when he wrote his, and since he does not mention that old skills can still be used, it will be safe to say that this was an error on Deba's side. And Deba published the sentence I quoted above, with the forgetting of the old skills, on January 29, basically correcting his error from the day before when he might have been a bit tired after the long interview: http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=390&l=635
To sum it up, what destructor translated above is the correct version.
It is a precondition (ì„*í–‰ ì¡°ê±´ resp. 先行æ¡ä»¶), a conditio sine qua non, for learning the Awakening skills that you have learned the 2nd and 3rd class skills.
As you "collect" (ìˆ˜ë¡ resp. 收录) Awakening skills, the existing skills will be forgotten (that's the same wording as in Deba's text). [I personally was under the impression that the Awakening skills are learned as a whole set from a Netherworld Book (명ë„ì˜ ë¹„ì*„ì„œ resp. 冥途之祕傳書), awakening the personality of an old Giant hero in your brain, but the term "collect" might indicate that you can learn them one by one.]
For those of the 2nd and 3rd class skills that have been enchanted, a compensation will be paid.
Now everything hinges on the question whether you will learn the Awakening skills one by one or as a whole set. In the first case, a Sigel Knight can learn "Chain of Binding" and forget in exchange the equivalent pre-Awakening skill Aggression while keeping Ultimate Defense. If you learn them as a set, all your old skills are completely lost. Since there are not always equivalent old skills you could forget in exchange for an Awakening skill (there is for example no equivalent for the couple skills of the Wynn Summoner), the chances for the second possibility to be true are very high. Everybody should be prepared for a harsh loss.
People, don't deceive yourselves. There might be the one or the other skill added or removed, but the Awakening System in itself will not be changed. Hyperlite and Kilandi operate offically approved powerleveling services. If you like what you see, let them get you to lvl 85 plus 1% and never look back. If you don't like GoD, you should start to look around for a different game :)
I'm against the 2nd and 3rd class skills erase it because of 4th class skills replace them.
Who said we won't use thouse skills at all? We still use some 1st class skill even in lvl 85 depending of the situation such us:
Olympiad/pvp/pve
Battle heal: robe classes use this skill to heal and get mental shield buff and bless the body with hell knife (mental shield sa) staff of evil spirit ( bless the body sa).
Wind strike : shillen saint and evas saint use this skill to nuke the enemy without have to use inquisitor transform.
Ultima defense:spectral dancers/sword muses use this skill to save their lives when they are receiving so much damage or they are close to die.
1st class buffs and self buffs: there are many of them who ppl use when they are completely unbuffed any kind of boost for thouse buffs is a huge help specialy in pvp/ mass pvp/sieges/tw etc.
Passive skills: some passives that give a boost or any kind of advantage in any situation make those skills useful no matter how little is the boost.
Debuffs: like passives skills any advantage that give those debuffs make a difference
So in conclusion if we still use 1st class skills and find any kind of function to them, I don't find any reason to 2nd and 3d class skills get erase it because of 4th class skills will be better. And the worst part is that ppl spent tons of time,adena to oe those skills us highest they could to the last 6 or 7 years simply to loss all of that effort in 1 update.
Btw 4th class skills will have a cool down to reuse the skills so ppl can use the 2nd and 3rd class skills while the 4th class skills get rdy to reuse.
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The request- We are used to just getting handed whatever update is designed for Korea, and of course no profound changes can be made for our servers. However, this is such a huge update to the game that many of us would REALLY appreciate some interaction with the Korean devs before they finalize this. Perhaps you can relay that request to them via the Korean forums.
Thx again for the info and stay well.
Lineage 2 Executive Producer Chae Gi-byeong has traveled in the past to Russia, Japan and Taiwan. He seems to speak quite good English. Maybe Sace can arrange a promotional visit to the USA, or something like the developer Q&A's they have in Korea. Collecting questions and suggestions for a week, forwarding them by e-mail to Seoul, Executive Producer Chae answering at his leisure what he wants to answer.
Lineage 2 Executive Producer Chae Gi-byeong has traveled in the past to Russia, Japan and Taiwan. He seems to speak quite good English. Maybe Sace can arrange a promotional visit to the USA, or something like the developer Q&A's they have in Korea. Collecting questions and suggestions for a week, forwarding them by e-mail to Seoul, Executive Producer Chae answering at his leisure what he wants to answer.
Well, I think the Russian told to Executive Producer, that they don't like the changes what the Goddess of Destruction will take. For me so interesting what would like to Japan, China, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia too.
Sace or Moxie please try to contact with the Korean development team and tell for them our requests or try invite them to here and make a Question & Answer day or week.
How about buffs? Most buffs are 40-76 and a few are 76+. The higher level one do not erase the old ones, rather enhance them further. How would 4th class buffs would work?
Lineage 2 Executive Producer Chae Gi-byeong has traveled in the past to Russia, Japan and Taiwan. He seems to speak quite good English. Maybe Sace can arrange a promotional visit to the USA, or something like the developer Q&A's they have in Korea. Collecting questions and suggestions for a week, forwarding them by e-mail to Seoul, Executive Producer Chae answering at his leisure what he wants to answer.
In the video the dwarf was the healer but I dont know if it was a sub or all 4th classed dwarves are healers.
Bountyhunters are counted as warriors in TW, and Warsmiths are Proffessionals but both are very unique classes. I wonder how they will be changed in GoD. Will FS get a high lvl spoil. Will the WS be crafting new armors still?
In the video the dwarf was the healer but I dont know if it was a sub or all 4th classed dwarves are healers.
Bountyhunters are counted as warriors in TW, and Warsmiths are Proffessionals but both are very unique classes. I wonder how they will be changed in GoD. Will FS get a high lvl spoil. Will the WS be crafting new armors still?
Well considering the 4th class skills replace only similar 2nd/3rd class skills it makes sense somehow. And if there are only a few (three to five) of those new skills and they really only improve old skills and have the same purpose then it's not that bad afterall.
Future class picking process will probably be influenced by the race specific skills you want to have.
Well considering the 4th class skills replace only similar 2nd/3rd class skills it makes sense somehow. And if there are only a few (three to five) of those new skills and they really only improve old skills and have the same purpose then it's not that bad afterall.
Future class picking process will probably be influenced by the race specific skills you want to have.
which means kamael, as it has the pvp damage increase skill
Losing the spoil skill wouldn't make sense since so many materials are only obtainable through spoiling and it's the main purpose of this class.
The new devs may not be aware of it. As usual.
Losing the spoil skill wouldn't make sense since so many materials are only obtainable through spoiling and it's the main purpose of this class.
Dwarves as Dwarves are being removed from the game. The new Royal Grade equipment is only obtainable through instances, it is not craftable, there are no materials to spoil. It is also bind-on-pickup, so no need for sell-Dwarves with many shop slots.
It is possible that there will be an exception of the "Forget All Skills" rule for Create Item, so that a lvl 95 Tyr Warrior Dwarf can still sit on the market in Giran and craft A-Grade Soulshots, but Spoil will almost certainly be gone. Old Spoilers have to make a living as Daggers in "Goddess of Destruction".
The new Royal Grade equipment is only obtainable through instances, it is not craftable, there are no materials to spoil. It is also bind-on-pickup, so no need for sell-Dwarves with many shop slots.
Old Soul Hounds have to make a living as Nukers in "Goddess of Destruction". But Kamael as a race get a new transformation, so they will still be recognizably different/separate from the other races.
I have never even heard of auto PVP programs.
I've seen many auto farming and hunting programs, but never the pvp programs. Which seems all of you have problems with.
Well. Hero from the PvP clan will be chosen sometimes within the clan and there are enforcers who will try to enforce that, and they do take turns. But they don't or will not use the pvp programs. We just don't.
They earn respect by showing others of their good skills and would be truly recognized as a hero. Many times someone who wasn't enforced becomes a hero too.
What's the point of winnig using the automated program?
You practice and win by using your wit and skills on every different situation. We try to share many different tactics and tricks for pvp.
But we would never use the automated program to win.
Our forum in Korea has many posts and discussion mostly on Oly and PvP just like you guys do here. They share their experience and tricks. Lots of discussion on their know hows on winning on other classes. But no one I know will use the auto bot to win. We just don't.
I cannot say we are 100% pvp auto bot free, but what I can tell you is I've never even heard of it before reading your replies.
On many of our servers, there are heros from small PvE clans too.
My clan is the one of the largest PvE clan that owns Gludio castle. We have three heros in our clan and for being PvE clan, we don't even have enforcers.
I've seen a small PvE clan that has 5 members having hero too. I've seen someone who's not in any clan that don't do PvP at all becoming a hero.
Our clan could take on 2 to 5 other PvE clans and still has been keeping the castle for past several months. But we wouldn't do PvP because we just enjoy what we enjoy as being a non pvp players. We always keep the tax at 5% to let the users buy itmes cheaper than from within PvP clan owned towns. Even PvP clans will reduce the tax to 0% on every Wednesday for the normal users on every town.
Yes, many PvP clans tries to War on us because we are strong and they know it. But as long as we show them that we respect them, they usually back off. PvP clan usually leaves the PvE clan and normal users alone as long as they get respected.
Ofcourse there are trash players who bullies on any body. But I guess that's probably same on any server regarless of cultural differences.
Dwarves will have choice to become Tyr Warrior or Assail Rogue.
Maestro will become a Tyr Warrior, and the Fortune Seeker will become an Assail Rogue.
The dwarf healer you've seen on the video clip must be the sub.
You guys are so hung up on the 4th lvl skills, it seems you guys are forgetting the fact that you still have subs.
They are going to let one of your subs reach 99 lvl too. So max lvl for your character now is 99-99-80-80. You can change your sub classes instantly from your status windows. you no longer need to visit your grand masters to change into different subs.
I don't know if you only can change in the town or while hunting too.
We have same concerns that you guys have.
We don't want changes on certain things that you guys also don't want it to be changed.
After all, we are playing same game .. you know..
Regardless where you live and how you play, concerns are pretty similar.
So what we will tell the dev after PTS would be probably what most of you would tell them.
Guys, I tell you, I'm now at the first time be disappointed with the future. I always was very very soulful when I got some news about new Lineage 2 expansion or services or events. But now I'm sad.
I like and liked the Lineage 2 what was and what is now or what it will with the High Five update.
If I really want to say what is my heart says in side, than I say: I hope the Goddess of Destruction update never won't release at nowhere (at least in this form).
Only this game my hobby and my favorite pastime. Under close to 4 years I played so much with this game while listened my favorite music ate my favorite foods or drunk my favorite drinks.
I not have another hobbies. I start boring to do almost everything else (play another video game, watch movies or makes some real life fun).
So I haven't idea what I will do if i won't like this GoD update.
Maybe I travel to go Korea sit down before the NCsoft Headquarter office put and keep in my hands a big table and I will write to it: I won't eat until the NCsoft don't stop or remake the Lineage 2 Goddess of Destruction project":)
im sorry but this new update doesnt do much for me so far...
i chose my dreadnought because i liked being special at AoE, not to be turned into a freaking glorified duelist witha special racial skill.
i like my dreadnought for a reason, and i hate duelists, so wtf are my choices to progress past 85 and 100%?
im sure i can use a polearm on the tyr warrior, but so can every other tyr warrior, and 1 weapon will be better than the rest just like it is now on all classes that have multiple masteries.
people can say emo rage quit, but thats fine, i stuck with this game since prelude and wont sit and see the character i built turned into the same BS that every other warrior class will be. If i want no choices like Tera offers, i'd just play Tera...
But oh well.. we've been always crying and complaining about changes in the past, but eventually found new way to enjoy them.
What GoD dev's are promising is that it's going to be very exciting again.
They are putting a lots of effort to make the game better, that I know.
Yes, people complains about the changes because we are very comfortable at what we are used to, but any changes are not a change any more once we get used to it again.:D We'll definitly find some new enjoyment with new change, I am sure.
Butthurt, just one word. And it is what i feel after reading this topic. What did i do for that year I played LA2? Nothig. Why? Bcouz in "aw, so awesome!" GoD same could be done in 3 month aprox. Why I exped my crafter and spoiler? For nothing. Full-parts are dropped from mobs, yay no more unfair wealth to thou who spent heck a lot of time in game killing 1 type of mobs over and over again. What all this efforts were for? To have heck`a`lot clone-like party's with same classes/skills? No Oly, wow thats rich! Wipe raids too, why have them?
"Hyperlite
i chose my dreadnought because i liked being special at AoE, not to be turned into a freaking glorified duelist witha special racial skill."
Totally agree, I chose my Duelist willingly and deliberately and I don`t wanna become pale semi-warrior type. I have my turf, I want it this way.
The best thing NA and EU division will ever do is (if this trash will see the world) freeze servers in H5 state for ever.
But oh well.. we've been always crying and complaining about changes in the past, but eventually found new way to enjoy them.
Dunno about others, but I've never enjoyed a server wipe (or a change in the game of a similar magnitude). If my lvl 85 before GoD becomes an effectively lvl 1 in GoD, what would keep me loyal to this particular game? Friends? We can move to another game together.
Dunno about others, but I've never enjoyed a server wipe (or a change in the game of a similar magnitude). If my lvl 85 before GoD becomes an effectively lvl 1 in GoD, what would keep me loyal to this particular game? Friends? We can move to another game together.
my constant and me will be moving to another game if what we read int his thread is true.
we play L2 because it isnt like any other MMO on the market, GoD makes L2 into a WoW/Tera/GW2/(insert random MMO here) clone. We like the grind, the oly system, the enchant system, the craft system, the class system.
Ncsoft should have just made this New Project a New Game ffs. Leave the awesomeness of L2 alone.
I'll jump on the 'Freeze our servers in H5 forever' bandwagon. I'd actually pay a lot of money to see that done. I am more than willing to try out this new L2 they throw at us, but not at the cost of the amount of effort people have put in until now.
my constant and me will be moving to another game if what we read int his thread is true.
we play L2 because it isnt like any other MMO on the market, GoD makes L2 into a WoW/Tera/GW2/(insert random MMO here) clone. We like the grind, the oly system, the enchant system, the craft system, the class system.
No my friend, it isn't the best way to get be emo and leave the game with your const and join to another one.
Where do you want to take your const? To WoW? To AION? to Tera? as you told these just clones of each other.
Maybe a part of the Lineage 2 will be same as them. This little part of it what we still already know about it (what can still change after the PTS). I'm sure, that Lineage 2 will again much more than these clones, but yes I'm not sure, too, that it will be same as now.
But to all guys who thinking about change to another game, I say it is really useless, you just can go to games where you really don't want go, much more better stay here and cry, shout until the development team don't give be our Lineage 2:)
I'm actually looking forward to the change and hopefully the current battle/hunting style will be change (well, actually it is going to be changed just dunno how yet) to that you need live ppl in party to play rather than boxing your own party to exp; gonna save me a lot of subscription money XD
But oh well.. we've been always crying and complaining about changes in the past, but eventually found new way to enjoy them.
What GoD dev's are promising is that it's going to be very exciting again.
They are putting a lots of effort to make the game better, that I know.
Yes, people complains about the changes because we are very comfortable at what we are used to, but any changes are not a change any more once we get used to it again.:D We'll definitly find some new enjoyment with new change, I am sure.
Well, I not really can accept this.
Lineage 2 isn't a free to play game, we players play a lots of money for the NCsoft to play with the Lineage 2. We play it because we like this game in this form.
Nobody told for the development team: "hey guys lets remake us the Lineage 2!" It is just the crazy ideas of the developers.
Nobody asked my our the another players that: "hey guys do you want a WoW game what is play in the Lineage 2's world".
I say the next! If they aren't able to complete the request of the player base the NCsoft have to kick of the full Lineage II development team and recruit new developers!!
destructor please tell us how we can contact with the NCKorea or the Lineage 2 development team on the most easiest way?
But oh well.. we've been always crying and complaining about changes in the past, but eventually found new way to enjoy them.
What GoD dev's are promising is that it's going to be very exciting again.
They are putting a lots of effort to make the game better, that I know.
Yes, people complains about the changes because we are very comfortable at what we are used to, but any changes are not a change any more once we get used to it again.:D We'll definitly find some new enjoyment with new change, I am sure.
will there still be room for making your char different then the average I really do wonder ?
in my case am a 85 100% SwM full epics rare vesper gear maxed out on skill oe for damage & mp regen for songs.. (we talk about billions of SP just on the OE's) and I out damage most classes, love doing crazy xp parties that are borderline suicidal just for the fun of it while help leveling friends..
to keep it short: will I still be able to make my char a serious heavy hitter support and mantain my current play style or will I be forced into a real "support" only role due to this big generalizing of all support chars ?
ps, if you want make a char on Naia and pm Draecke and I'll show how a crazy SwM xp's any place on the map ^^"
pps, the move of making parties to max size of 7 is really bad as that means I have to tell friends they can no longer come play with me... there's no good reason for implementing that and it will destroy lots of constant parties that exist on the NA/EURO/RU servers, why ? please tell the Dev team there's no need to put restrictions to parties, if anything increase it to max 12 players.
Unfortunately, the only way that I know to contact Korean NCsoft staff, is to have some Koreans friends.
That's how I did when I wanted to write a message to the developing team, about the worrying situation of the Prophet classe in the game.
But even by doing so, I highly doubt they will bother to read your complaint.
For my case I've just got a message from a Korean GM, telling me that my message had been transfered to the development team: However, I didn't get any feedback from them, even not an automated answer. So much effort and time wasted for nothing.:o
Don't forgot that they are foremost working for the Korean market: we are just non-existent for them...
somehow I doubt there are no Korean players that share our concerns as they have been even longer then us near the max lvl85 and worked hard on refining their chars just like us and to give that all up, to lose the unique identity that one has made of his/her char just like that would surprise me..
Unfortunately, the only way that I know to contact Korean NCsoft staff, is to have some Koreans friends.
That's how I did when I wanted to write a message to the developing team, about the worrying situation of the Prophet classe in the game.
But even by doing so, I highly doubt they will bother to read your complaint.
For my case I've just got a message from a Korean GM, telling me that my message had been transfered to the development team: However, I didn't get any feedback from them, even not an automated answer. So much effort and time wasted for nothing.:o
Don't forgot that they are foremost working for the Korean market: we are just non-existent for them...
Lol we will be non-existant when this update hits us as half the end game pvp'ers who spent years getting their chars to the state they are now will quit at the mention of removing all their hard work.
Maybe this is good forthe korean market, but this will fail here.
HarHar. SwM is going to be the same as prophets, warcryer, overlord, bladedancer and inspector.
But seriously... stop freaking out when the pts is not even live yet :rolleyes:
add Lol we will be non-existant when this update hits us as half the end game pvp'ers who spent years getting their chars to the state they are now will quit at the mention of removing all their hard work.
Maybe this is good forthe korean market, but this will fail here.
I have zero illusions on our influence on how the Korean PTS will go but once they're done it will be set in stone and nothing we post will change that outcome so if not raising our voices in concern now when then ?
I love this game, it's like a marriage with it's hate & love aspects & drama elements so what's wrong with trying to do something that might prevent many of us from quit playing it ?
RU Off has 13 servers and the Russians share our concerns, it might be easy to write off the 2 servers left here but to lose their Russian market completely like they're heading right now ?
and why would they change aspects of the game just to suit the 2 servers we have, rather than the 30 servers they have? If our concerns are the same as the Koreans, it will be changed; because of the Koreans, not us. I don't know what power the NA/EU NCsoft have over the game other than making sure it works properly 'as intended', but so far it doesn't seem much at all.
We have same concerns that you guys have.
We don't want changes on certain things that you guys also don't want it to be changed.
After all, we are playing same game .. you know..
Regardless where you live and how you play, concerns are pretty similar.
So what we will tell the dev after PTS would be probably what most of you would tell them.
I think I can guess what some of Korean players may feel: having played for 7 years, they must have been tired of having to subclass or reroll every time they wanted to taste something new, so, they now probably want to play something comprehensive, combining "all-in-one", covering the spectrum for available options as fully as possible. I mean, I would love to play a "universal class" for a while, too.
But it seems obvious that they will get tired of it pretty soon. Being omnipotent and universal seems nice, but it offers no real challenges anymore. To me, it looks like a dead end in the game's evolution.
And, as regards those 8 archtype classes... Since when convergence and unification look more interesting than divergence and diversification? How soon do we get bored from leveling our 1st class characters and start looking forward to greater diversity, which the 2nd class change provides? So, can you imagine playing like that from 85 to 99??
Anyway, I just hope the Korean playerbase will criticize the course currently taken by the developers enough to make them reconsider it and change their ways towards something less radical and more traditional, to not break the very lineage of this game.
RU Off has 13 servers and the Russians share our concerns, it might be easy to write off the 2 servers left here but to lose their Russian market completely like they're heading right now ?
RU offical is run by a different company, NCKR provides the game. Depend on their contract agreement it has with NCKR, they may or may not change the content of the game. I know for a fact that WoW is 'sold' to China and they are free to make any modifications to the game as they please. Hence, for them it comes down to the contract agreement.
What about the 13 Russian servers ? :D It makes a lot of people ! And I think they are by far the most concerned by the incomming changes.
However, NCsoft will just ignore them :rolleyes: !
Edit: Ok, it will teach me not to go afk while writing a post ><
Fixed it for you :p I do that sometimes, too XD
Also, it depends on whether NCKR is providing the game for a set amount of fee per month/year or earn a % of what the RU offical company makes or both. It really just comes down to the legal details. If NCKR is happy with what they are making with the RU offical and wants to continue the contract in the future, then there would be a higher chance of NCKR cooperating. However, I would still see they will change the contract agreement to allow them to modify the game as they please in the future, if it isn't in the contract already; so NCKR can focus on their target market (the Koreans) and Russians can do their own thing. Win-win for them both.
All i can say is that i have heard so much qq in the past about not being able to form stacked parties, not enough sws/cardis, cant do siege/raid/instance because not enough warcryer on, cant do frint/tiat because not titan on, cant aoe after high 5 because of pole nerf...
it goes on and on and on.... i think people will have more fun, will not have to wait 3 hours to form 3-4 parties for raids, etc, etc...
I can understand why some people would be upset by having the game virtually reset, so that no one is at an advantage because of x years and y adena/dollars spent, ebayers will also cry about the thousands of dollars wasted on gear that is no longer top, how much was paid for that +16 heavans divider by first clan on sayha????
Things change, it is the one constant in the universe...
I for one am looking forward to the new changes, just glad the grind is getting easier, i may even be able to get to 85 before GoD comes out, only 8 months to a year away...
Tank will be realy usefull and no warrior will can take their place in party ,and they will get a true job:
" No warriors are now going to be able to replace the knight class.
Rest of the party is now going to heavily rely on tankers defense skill when in party.
They will be able to continuously cast hate skill when even dead, and can be resurrected instantly to protect the party. And they can also pull the party out of the danger. "
Warrior will become the pro of weapon :
"All the warriors are now going to be merged into one class called Tyr Warrior.
They are going to be an expert of all weapons. Especially spear.
They are going to be very strong against multiple enemies. They are expert on reducing the defense of the enemies and mesmerizing them. They can increase the attack and defense ability of the whole party.
Good news for all of you Kamaels, now you can wear the heavy armor. :
Rogue and archer will have an other job then just hit :
" All the rogues are now going to be merged into one class called Assail Rogue.
They will contribute the level of hate of the mobs against certain classes and change the order. For example, if the mob has most hate against the healer and would attack the healer first, the assail rogue can change that against toward the tanker.
Their ‘hide’ skill gets enhanced, can cast multiple mirror images of oneself that has reduced ability then oneself, but others cannot tell which one is the real you.
The assail rogue also uses two different kinds of poisons that enhances a critical chance, reduce movement speed and prevents enemies from casting spell.
They will mostly take the role of luring the mobs and prevent them from casting spells. "
" All the archer class is now going to be called Yield archer.
They have the fastest movement speed above of all the classes. Now they can use both the bow and the bow gun. The archers can summon a lightning falcon that can attack. The yield archer will no longer need to carry any arrows but can shoot out three different kinds of magic arrows, each has different effects. One deals higher critical damage, another deals multiple damage on multiple enemies and the other that can deal sustainable damage.
They will acquire special trap skills that are similar to the ones from the tricksters but are stronger, and can increase their attack speed dramatically temporarily.
It seems they have been improved on the PvK also. They can push back the enemy with the bow and shoot out an arrow that reduces the movement speed of the enemy.
Just like the assail rogues, they can control the aggressiveness of the mobs toward the tanker, and when in danger, they can ‘dribble’ the monsters. "
Summoner will becaume pro debuffer :
"All the summoners are going to be called Win Summoner.
They can summon multiple creatures and would be somewhat similar to the new wizard class, the Paired Wizard. They will be able to summon an ultimate creature.
They are experts on de-buffs. "
Mage well they will stay mage but caste 2 skill in same time XD :
" The entire wizards are now going to be called Paired Wizard. They have mastered all the elementals. Whatever the elemental you choose, all of your attack skill would be syncronized to that elemental (and can be switched easily), except some of the ultimate spells. They can double cast any magic of 4 elemental attacks. They can also cast one de-buff and one attack spells at same time, or even cast double de-buff spells. Because they are extremely vulnerable at close combat, they have skills that prevent the enemy from getting close. "
buffer will can use dual weap and blunt ,they will can bring party out of danger :
"All the buffer class would be called the Eath enchanter. (Includes the Kamael Judicator.)
Even the dancers and singers are now going to be the Eath Enchanter. They will be expert on dual weapons, including the dual blunt weapons. They will get rush skill that will get them get closer to the monster quickly. They are the point guard of the party if compared to the basket ball. They can take the party out of the danger when necessary. They can turn the mobs into a butter fly or a pig. "
Healer will can summone a helper to heal XD :
" All the healers are now going to be one under class called Aeore Healer.
They can summon ‘lumi’ to help them do solo play. But not recommended to summon it when in party, because it reduces the healing ability.
They can also summon the fairy of life to aid them healing the party. You could assign the fairy of the life to heal exclusively on one character, and then it will automatically heal that character any time he/she needs to be healed. This means less pressing that hated ‘F1’ button. You can let the fairy of life heal one while you concentrate healing the others.
They can also summon trees that replenish life, removes de-buff and enhances defense. "
And all race will get special skill like the self rez of DE etc.
Remeber that in GoD Story we fight a " GOD " and to fight him we will need the power of the ancient giant ( Awakening ) ,
i love the new idea same if for it we will maybe must forget our old skill , anyway the game story is good and the idea about the giant power come back to fight a god is nice.
will there still be room for making your char different then the average I really do wonder ?
in my case am a 85 100% SwM full epics rare vesper gear maxed out on skill oe for damage & mp regen for songs..
And how exactly is your SWM different from any other top SWM?
I don't know, where you people come from with an idea, that chars in L2 are "unique"? On top everyone have same set of armor, same weapon, same augment, same skill OE. Only differences are in level of OE and for some classes, element in weapon (others are even forced into certain element). It's not Aion, where you actually can choose between few paths of developing your character, and it's hard to say which one is the best (all are at least good).
So don't worry, I'm sure in GoD you will still have ability to get better gear and better OE and make your char as "unique", as it is now. But also there is a chance, that some ridiculous imbalances between classes will disappear.
Also, I'm surprised to see what people seem to like the most in L2. For me L2 is attractive because of no factions, open pvp, politics, open market etc. I couldn't care less about my char skills and "uniqueness", as long, as it is not as helpless as was my silver ranger.
I understand, why developers want to "reset" the game.
Current system is impossible to ballance at this stage, and is a textbook example of bad game design: new player choosing class to play, has equal chance of getting something good or something useless, with no advanced information if he is picking good or useless. In a well-designed game, the differences between classes are only in playstyle and role, not in power and usefulness, as it is now (changing ballance every few updates is another issue, that causes asking on forum not effective).
Also, I don't know, how a "pvp player" can like current system. Dunno, but for me biggest fun of pvp is overcoming enemy with better skill, not with "I picked proper class and killed more mobs in the past, so I'm better". This was working untill C3, maybe C4, but after that, increasing differences between char strength reduced pvp, into pve race of arms.
As for smaller parties...
Yes, we all got used to a system, that requires having certain class on certain place, and const party playstyle that come with it. But to actually *like* it? How can you like a system, that forces you to play with someone, who happens to play certain class and prevents you from playing with decent person, that happens to be incompatible with your party? What is to like in waiting for bd, sws or wc to come or boxing one?
Smaller parties and more versatile characters mean not only more parties, and less boxing. It also means, that there are more tactical solutions, more possibilities to experiment with party setups etc. What I liked about Aion was, that DD is DD. You can take dagger, archer and nuker in one party, depends what skills you want to have, and how you want to play.
Finally, NcSoft wants to run this game for few more years. That means, new players are needed. NA/EU at this rate will survive one, maybe two years before it run out of people.
So, if GoD will be implemented, you gonna quit? Well, if it will not be implemented, others will quit anyway, so no difference. Thing is, that currently L2 has nothing to offer for new players. Shortening way 1-85 and equalizing chars is logical choice to give someone a reason to at least try L2.
And if you are a real pvp player, not a farmer that wants only to get top level, gear and "own", then you should like it, cause it means more quality pvp for you.
PS: I dont think anyone can really say if it'll be good or not until its finalised from korean pts and we get some proper notes/details (or do we have them already somewhere, Im not hugely up to date here lol). I have confidence in the developers, just think if you were them, would you really want to make your game rubbish?
Maybe it was covered already but Id guess would be good if only some skills gets traded and you keep the others? Therefore you do keep quite alot of the 32 class unique stuff? Do we even know this or not yet (I dont think so...) Meh anyways sounds like could add alot fun to the game and make party forming easier/quicker. I think I've enjoyed every chronicle thus far with 'mostly' positive changes :) If its like a new game, then woot we get a new lineage game, while taking over all our current characters/stuff/work.
Tank will be realy usefull and no warrior will can take their place in party ,and they will get a true job:
" No warriors are now going to be able to replace the knight class.
Rest of the party is now going to heavily rely on tankers defense skill when in party.
They will be able to continuously cast hate skill when even dead, and can be resurrected instantly to protect the party. And they can also pull the party out of the danger. "
Warrior will become the pro of weapon :
"All the warriors are now going to be merged into one class called Tyr Warrior.
They are going to be an expert of all weapons. Especially spear.
They are going to be very strong against multiple enemies. They are expert on reducing the defense of the enemies and mesmerizing them. They can increase the attack and defense ability of the whole party.
Good news for all of you Kamaels, now you can wear the heavy armor. :
Rogue and archer will have an other job then just hit :
" All the rogues are now going to be merged into one class called Assail Rogue.
They will contribute the level of hate of the mobs against certain classes and change the order. For example, if the mob has most hate against the healer and would attack the healer first, the assail rogue can change that against toward the tanker.
Their ‘hide’ skill gets enhanced, can cast multiple mirror images of oneself that has reduced ability then oneself, but others cannot tell which one is the real you.
The assail rogue also uses two different kinds of poisons that enhances a critical chance, reduce movement speed and prevents enemies from casting spell.
They will mostly take the role of luring the mobs and prevent them from casting spells. "
" All the archer class is now going to be called Yield archer.
They have the fastest movement speed above of all the classes. Now they can use both the bow and the bow gun. The archers can summon a lightning falcon that can attack. The yield archer will no longer need to carry any arrows but can shoot out three different kinds of magic arrows, each has different effects. One deals higher critical damage, another deals multiple damage on multiple enemies and the other that can deal sustainable damage.
They will acquire special trap skills that are similar to the ones from the tricksters but are stronger, and can increase their attack speed dramatically temporarily.
It seems they have been improved on the PvK also. They can push back the enemy with the bow and shoot out an arrow that reduces the movement speed of the enemy.
Just like the assail rogues, they can control the aggressiveness of the mobs toward the tanker, and when in danger, they can ‘dribble’ the monsters. "
Summoner will becaume pro debuffer :
"All the summoners are going to be called Win Summoner.
They can summon multiple creatures and would be somewhat similar to the new wizard class, the Paired Wizard. They will be able to summon an ultimate creature.
They are experts on de-buffs. "
Mage well they will stay mage but caste 2 skill in same time XD :
" The entire wizards are now going to be called Paired Wizard. They have mastered all the elementals. Whatever the elemental you choose, all of your attack skill would be syncronized to that elemental (and can be switched easily), except some of the ultimate spells. They can double cast any magic of 4 elemental attacks. They can also cast one de-buff and one attack spells at same time, or even cast double de-buff spells. Because they are extremely vulnerable at close combat, they have skills that prevent the enemy from getting close. "
buffer will can use dual weap and blunt ,they will can bring party out of danger :
"All the buffer class would be called the Eath enchanter. (Includes the Kamael Judicator.)
Even the dancers and singers are now going to be the Eath Enchanter. They will be expert on dual weapons, including the dual blunt weapons. They will get rush skill that will get them get closer to the monster quickly. They are the point guard of the party if compared to the basket ball. They can take the party out of the danger when necessary. They can turn the mobs into a butter fly or a pig. "
Healer will can summone a helper to heal XD :
" All the healers are now going to be one under class called Aeore Healer.
They can summon ‘lumi’ to help them do solo play. But not recommended to summon it when in party, because it reduces the healing ability.
They can also summon the fairy of life to aid them healing the party. You could assign the fairy of the life to heal exclusively on one character, and then it will automatically heal that character any time he/she needs to be healed. This means less pressing that hated ‘F1’ button. You can let the fairy of life heal one while you concentrate healing the others.
They can also summon trees that replenish life, removes de-buff and enhances defense. "
And all race will get special skill like the self rez of DE etc.
Remeber that in GoD Story we fight a " GOD " and to fight him we will need the power of the ancient giant ( Awakening ) ,
i love the new idea same if for it we will maybe must forget our old skill , anyway the game story is good and the idea about the giant power come back to fight a god is nice.
Yes the standard idea is really great! But the it could be the excellent idea if they could work out the new expansion to the unique skills of all the 36 classes. If they could do this it could take really another generation to the Lineage 2 and to the all another MMO.
But anyway abit I can understand the idea of the development team if they merging the BD, SWS, PP, OL and WC in GoD to one super buffer than normally peoples will have 5 times bigger chance to get a buffer to their parties.
If they do this with the EE, SE, BP than will 3 times bigger chance to get a good healer to the party.
And these changes will can forces the player base to play together complete the quest, pvp, siege, instance, xp events together, not in solo with buffer boxes.
But the currently Lineage 2 community really love the currently leveling process what is against all of the planned changes.
And how exactly is your SWM different from any other top SWM?
I don't know, where you people come from with an idea, that chars in L2 are "unique"?
My character is unique,cause i know her from the time she was ''born'' , i watched her growing up and getting stronger day after day for years .I choosed her appereance,her skills,her way of playing,because they are related with me as a real life person.With GoD,its like we get a new game with 85lvl toons to start,to replace L2 and our toons that have been erased.Those will be new toons and i dont know how many of us will like them,maybe those toons are so great that we will keep people in game,but
me,as a necro,i had a constant challenge against others nukers(like sorc in the past and more recently sts) on who is the most powerfull,when the nerfing of necro begun, through every update i had to prove again i worth to exist,i worth to have a slot in a party, i am still the one who beats all,i can still do things other nukers cant,hoping my class will be remembered on a future update again,while other people who were playing necros as a c3-c4 class to pwn all were reroling justifying this by telling necro is nerfed,necro is useless,necro hits you for 500 dmg.
Why all that since i will be same as any other nuker?only human with bad graphics and robes that dont look good on.
I know people that choosed this dagger instead of that had similar reasons,or tank or every other class.If we wanted to play a game like GoD,we wouldnt play L2.And i wouldnt play L2,if there was no necro class.
So,i see this update as a developers plan to create ''their'' game by using the L2 story and customers.I dont like this at all and i hope someone could stop them.Since they are paid to work for this game,they should find updates based on the game they found,evolve the classes they found,the skills,ect ect.
I personally like the race skill that the orc race are going to get..
They are going to get chance 'xx skill' you orcs already love and OE'ing.
I don't know what you call it in english, so I'll leave it up to you orcs.
It's something you all love..
Sounds like a great change for pvp. Even though the grind has been lessened to a great extent, I think it needs to be done just a little more. Even if people start up now (like I have) in preparations for HF and GoD, most won't be 80+ in time.
The spread from new player to constant high level PvP is just so large, that is what's keeping new players away.
I personally like the race skill that the orc race are going to get..
They are going to get chance 'xx skill' you orcs already love and OE'ing.
I don't know what you call it in english, so I'll leave it up to you orcs.
It's something you all love..
I have seen that Elves will get a "Blessed Recall" (축복 ë°›ì€ ê·€í™˜). Do you have any information whether this will be for only one person, the Elf him- resp. herself, or a Party Recall for the whole group?
... Will the only thing that will be different then the other races enlightened warrior be ONE race skill?
Apart from the race skill/s (some races get two), all races except Humans will also get an increase in Elemental protection and attack power for a specific Element:
Elves -> Water
Dark Elves -> Wind
Orcs -> Fire
Kamael -> Dark
Dwarves -> Earth
You would know, if you played one of the underbalanced ones.
I have played a C4 EE, does that count?
Balancing classes Korean style = making all classes welcome to a party and eliminate 'we only want a certain class in a party'
But there are 8 classes and only 7 party slots in GoD :rolleyes:
Apart from the race skill/s (some races get two), all races except Humans will also get an increase in Elemental protection and attack power for a specific Element:
Elves -> Water
Dark Elves -> Wind
Orcs -> Fire
Kamael -> Dark
Dwarves -> Earth
Ok thanks. I sure hope Nc knows what they are doing. It will be and extremely hard task to make this work, so they game don't go right down the tube.
I can see both good sides and bad sides to this, it's pretty easy to figure out that they are trying do make is somewhat like Aion in the class builds and party play.
Im not saying that is a bad thing it's just I cant figure out how they will manage to put it all together.
Seems that they are aiming for easier party making that a warrior can fill the spot of every warrior type.. meaning pole party, regular melee party etc.
If they are going with this it just seems weird that you have to level to 85+ and THEN become they way NC soft has imagined party play, pvp partys etc.
If they are making this shouldent they start from lvl 40+? I have never heard of a game were it all starts with plenty of classes and then it just keeps branching out untill the endgame and then all gets merged together.
As I said I have a really bad felling about this update, but I just have to wait and see what they will do, it might turn out to be the best thing that happened to l2 but who knows. :)
Apart from the race skill/s (some races get two), all races except Humans will also get an increase in Elemental protection and attack power for a specific Element:
Elves -> Water
Dark Elves -> Wind
Orcs -> Fire
Kamael -> Dark
Dwarves -> Earth
What with ppl who plays DC as main and Domi on alt and loves playing both? After 85 they will become 1 same class. How NC will refund it? Reroll other class or go away?
Dark elves wind... great, I wonder if tank will get something based on wind ... no comments, I'm reading these news and I am losing hope that this update will turn into something good...
7 ppls in party and 8 classess - easier to build party - yes ofc. but not in our culture, koreans loves to run in party, no matter if it's 9 ppls on hot springs... Here are parties ofc, but many ppl like to solo, duo...
W8ting on more news of aionwowteraage II ****... :(
What with ppl who plays DC as main and Domi on alt and loves playing both? After 85 they will become 1 same class. How NC will refund it? Reroll other class or go away?
Dark elves wind... great, I wonder if tank will get something based on wind ... no comments, I'm reading these news and I am losing hope that this update will turn into something good...
7 ppls in party and 8 classess - easier to build party - yes ofc. but not in our culture, koreans loves to run in party, no matter if it's 9 ppls on hot springs... Here are parties ofc, but many ppl like to solo, duo...
W8ting on more news of aionwowteraage II ****... :(
With "refund" he probably means the refund which is planned for the enchanted skills that will be forgotten on Awakening. That's a different thing which has nothing to do with the one-time class change.
I don't want 4th class change, I don't want System of Awakening.
I think the developers at firstly their leader is a really good chess player! Seems now they have idea and answer to every problem or question.
Yes, this is a very good thing i really respect this, but i don't want these changes:(
Anyway next of these changes the Goddess of Destruction not best business change too. They have to calculate with the problem if they change the classes many players maybe stop paying his/her buffer account or accounts, what is again just mean money loosing for the NCsoft.
With "refund" he probably means the refund which is planned for the enchanted skills that will be forgotten on Awakening. That's a different thing which has nothing to do with the one-time class change.
People will still want overlapping classes for the subclass skills. Warrior will want Warrior sub for +CP, Counter Haste/Crit. Enchanter might want the Celestial Shield Trigger from Enchanter subs.
Thx for showing what the general server population is like :). But still no, come on... I thought you're smarter than that :rolleyes: Or... maybe I was just wrong assuming that :(
Make that a Lvl 1 Starter in a NEW Game and i'd play that
but seriously 7 man party when you get 8 core classes that's just bone headed self gimping your game
We all still don't know how the 4th class skills are going to affect 2nd and 3rd class skills yet. However, 35 classes -> 9 spots vs 8 classes -> 7 spots; don't think that requires someone to do rocket science to figure out which one will be easier to balance.
It really all depends on WHAT skill exactly you lose, e.g. will they make all current buffs/songs/dances obsolete (or remove them altogether) and instead give the enchanter classes something like the Aion auras, which then are just much much better than the normal buffs? Yes, then buffers/bd/sws will become very obsolete and probably can be replaced by just one player in the party who clicks his two or three party buff skills which all 4th class enchanters get (like "the one-size-fits all offensive buff", the "defensive buff" and maybe the "awesome mp regen buff")
If not, you might still want to have specific 4th class enchanters in your party who have the 3rd class skills you want - from what I have read so far, they are supposed to become "semi-DD", much like a current bd etc., so you might want to choose those instead of one or two pure DD slots, because semi-DD plus songs, dances or specific buffs like cov/counter crit etc. > one single DD.
So we pretty much have to wait until the PTS patch note are out to know how messed up the situation really is. Sad thing is that by then it's probably too late to change much about it. But I guess it's already too late for that now - if the PTS in Korea will be in March, they probably already finalized most of the big changes and will just tweak some skill details depending on the feedback from the PTS.
Honestly, I cannot say right now if these changes will be good or bad. The game really needs some changes, because years of <insert rant> messed up the game a lot, and only HUGE changes could possibly fix the situation. But, like some already wrote, changes to what class does what, the smaller party size etc. will mean that a lot of players will lose constant party spots, or will suddenly be in a situation where their so-far "rare" class suddenly has problems finding a party at all because too many classes compete for the same spots. I hope we will get the same event Korea gets, where people can choose which class they want to be after the awakening quest.
We all still don't know how the 4th class skills are going to affect 2nd and 3rd class skills yet. However, 35 classes -> 9 spots vs 8 classes -> 7 spots; don't think that requires someone to do rocket science to figure out which one will be easier to balance.
Balance, yes. But it's also about the existing distribution of players over the classes. If you have one spot per party for a specific class type (e.g healer or enchanter), but the current class distribution on the servers is for a "2 healer and 3 enchanters per party" (cardi, recharger, bd, sws, buffer), that means that a lot of people will be SOL, even if the skills of their class are nicely balanced.
It really all depends on what they do with existing skills - if classes will still be different enough that you maybe want to take two (different) enchanters into a party. If the classes WILL be exactly the same except for racial skills, the whole thing might just suck a little bit.
Balance, yes. But it's also about the existing distribution of players over the classes. If you have one spot per party for a specific class type (e.g healer or enchanter), but the current class distribution on the servers is for a "2 healer and 3 enchanters per party" (cardi, recharger, bd, sws, buffer), that means that a lot of people will be SOL, even if the skills of their class are nicely balanced.
It really all depends on what they do with existing skills - if classes will still be different enough that you maybe want to take two (different) enchanters into a party. If the classes WILL be exactly the same except for racial skills, the whole thing might just suck a little bit.
I'm sure the Koreans would think the same about the usual 3 buffers 2 healers will need to cut down with the 7 man party setup. Nevertheless, people have been focusing so much on people are going to lose their constant party, how can they fit the 'usual' party into 7 slots... Have people thought of what opportunities this might open? NCsoft is a business, it will always try to make changes to make more money now and for the future.
The NA/EU l2 population always played the Korean L2. The ones that don't like this style would be playing WoW/Aion already. So, the ones that stayed have always accepted (might not agree, but have always adopted) the Korean population idea of what L2 is; and knowing that the NA/EU culture have no influence on how the game is designed. Why will this stop now?
I'm sure the Koreans would think the same about the usual 3 buffers 2 healers will need to cut down with the 7 man party setup. Nevertheless, people have been focusing so much on people are going to lose their constant party, how can they fit the 'usual' party into 7 slots... Have people thought of what opportunities this might open? NCsoft is a business, it will always try to make changes to make more money now and for the future.
The NA/EU l2 population always played the Korean L2. The ones that don't like this style would be playing WoW/Aion already. So, the ones that stayed have always accepted (might not agree, but have always adopted) the Korean population idea of what L2 is; and knowing that the NA/EU culture have no influence on how the game is designed. Why will this stop now?
The main problem, that miss and missed the really good communication channel between the Lineage 2's different regions.
But if we watch the AION this communication channel work much more better. As I experienced there it is total different much times the fansites collect requests from the western player base and send them to Korea, or I heard about same things at the tera too.
destructor saw very well, that our communication at here very poor. Example very very few player read and much more fewer use too this forum.
Much the reason the language problems too.
I believe in if we EU/NA community could work together as a normal community and give voice together to our request, the Korean development team could make much more changes what are good for us or good for us too.
If you don't like the new feature you have to give voice to this on this forum and if necessary join to demonstrations too. The Russian community pretty sure that support us too and as I experienced the Indonesian players like play this game same for as we western players.
The main problem, that miss and missed the really good communication channel between the Lineage 2's different regions.
But if we watch the AION this communication channel work much more better. As I experienced there it is total different much times the fansites collect requests from the western player base and send them to Korea, or I heard about same things at the tera too.
I believe in if we EU/NA community could work together as a normal community and give voice together to our request, the Korean development team could make much more changes what are good for us or good for us too.
If you don't like the new feature you have to give voice to this on this forum and if necessary join to demonstrations too. The Russian community pretty sure that support us too and as I experienced the Indonesian players like play this game same for as we western players.
Did you see how much 'budget/marketing' NCsoft put into Aion for the western country? That's why they got the staff to get things work for the western country.
If the Korean development team did actual listen to our requests, L2 would truly be another WoW/Aion right now. I have voiced my opinion on how to improve the game mechanics in the past to adopt the western culture, nothing has changed; so don't hold your breath. I very welcome NCsoft to prove me wrong in that, as I'll also be happy because I can 'change' the game by my feedback. But again, if that ever happen in the future; L2 will become WoW/Aion.
Did you see how much 'budget/marketing' NCsoft put into Aion for the western country? That's why they got the staff to get things work for the western country.
If the Korean development team did actual listen to our requests, L2 would truly be another WoW/Aion right now. I have voiced my opinion on how to improve the game mechanics in the past to adopt the western culture, nothing has changed; so don't hold your breath. I very welcome NCsoft to prove me wrong in that, as I'll also be happy because I can 'change' the game by my feedback. But again, if that ever happen in the future; L2 will become WoW/Aion.
Absolutely !
And the fact this is agame that is 5 years old doesn't change that, so is WOW , do you see them diminuish their efforts to get the game TO the public ? I don't think so, each year their publicity's on TV are more and more stunning , their posters are crowd drawing and they got great and funny commercials on the radio and every game magazine has at least one article about WOW in it each time !
Lineage 2 is the most SECRET game there is, No one knows it !
Only the verry few that accidentally stumble across it find it!
U know how i found Lineage 2, by looking for some drawing examples for elves, wasnt even looking for a game !
Nevertheless, people have been focusing so much on people are going to lose their constant party, how can they fit the 'usual' party into 7 slots... Have people thought of what opportunities this might open? NCsoft is a business, it will always try to make changes to make more money now and for the future.
The NA/EU l2 population always played the Korean L2. The ones that don't like this style would be playing WoW/Aion already.
Don't the people that prefer "one tank, one buffer, one healer, rest DD" play WoW/Aion already?
So, the ones that stayed have always accepted (might not agree, but have always adopted) the Korean population idea of what L2 is;
That's only if you assume that Koreans will be happy with the changes when they hit their live servers.
I'm wondering, how will the new 7 person party limit affect everyone before lvl 86? the current class system is based around needing 9 people in party.
Or does the new system limit of 7 people only start when the fail 4th class change is taken?
Can 4th class change chars party non 4th class change chars?
Don't the people that prefer "one tank, one buffer, one healer, rest DD" play WoW/Aion already?
That's only if you assume that Koreans will be happy with the changes when they hit their live servers.
People that plays WoW/Aion prefer less grind, nothing to do with 1 tank+1 buffer+1 healer+dds setup. However, that setup makes it easier for party to be formed. More partying (playing the game) time, less waiting for a group time. Isn't that what people (include NA/EU) complained about? 'I don't want to wait 1 hour just for a <insert class>' 'I am stuck with soloing because my class is not needed in a party' 'I box everything, because I don't want to wait for other players to log in' etc... ring a bell? You've always talked about you're a c4 EE, you should know better :rolleyes:
If Koreans ain't happy with the changes during pts/live, NCKR will 'fix/adjust' it for them; isn't that what NA/EU have always gotten from the updates through all the years?
I'm wondering, how will the new 7 person party limit affect everyone before lvl 86? the current class system is based around needing 9 people in party.
Or does the new system limit of 7 people only start when the fail 4th class change is taken?
Can 4th class change chars party non 4th class change chars?
I'm wondering that as well. It would be odd that you can party 9 ppl pre-85 Awakening, then only 7 after Awakening lol.
I'm wondering, how will the new 7 person party limit affect everyone before lvl 86? the current class system is based around needing 9 people in party.
Or does the new system limit of 7 people only start when the fail 4th class change is taken?
Can 4th class change chars party non 4th class change chars?
From interview it's clear they redesigning 1-85 so I would expect that 7 man parties will do very well.
I'm wondering, how will the new 7 person party limit affect everyone before lvl 86? the current class system is based around needing 9 people in party.
Or does the new system limit of 7 people only start when the fail 4th class change is taken?
Can 4th class change chars party non 4th class change chars?
It says nowhere that Awakened characters can not party non-Awakened characters. From what we can see in the class videos, the reworked Wasteland seems to be an open hunting ground, not instanced. So powerleveling should be possible there :)
Hey destructor :), u happen to know anything more about the new summoner system? so far we've only seen those (in my mind lame looking) servitors, like black panther, white bear and reaper..... while there has been lot of artwork showing a gang of new cats wearing armor and weapons, as well as 3 life size "pixies", shown behind an elf in both the wizard and summoner part of the big GoD promo video from a while ago.... wondering what they are.... servitors too? :)
Am really missing proof about the cats in action like a screenshot or so, instead of only artwork..... in every video so far, its always been the same 3 servitors we've seen.
one advantage sets L2 apart from other game is its well rehersed skill system and diversity. I am not sure taking away the diversity is a good idea. Of course, I have not tried the GoD, so I do not want to jump to conclusion. I guess if Koreans are not defecting from the game, the new system must be ok.
If a person can go 0 to 85 in 5 months, what the heck is Hyperlite going to do with all his free time?? ;)
The best thing about L2 is the high number of classes...
I tough that they would do new ones, or new races...
Not to just make all ppl in 8 classes =/
I hope that gets really good... or its gonna be a huge fail
It says nowhere that Awakened characters can not party non-Awakened characters. From what we can see in the class videos, the reworked Wasteland seems to be an open hunting ground, not instanced. So powerleveling should be possible there :)
I'm not too concerned about any plvling issues, its mroe along the fact that L2 is now based around constant parties that typically have 9-10 friends who all play together.
With this new system, these groups of friends will most likely choose to move on so they dont have to stop playing together. This is why I amde the comment that my constant and myself will be moving on. We love L2, everything it offers, but L2 is really just the medium we use to hang in vent and do stuff in the game together.
With no more crafting, bind on pickup/equip armor through instance only, reduction in classes, forcing into a class I don't want to play, and forcing 2 of my friends out of our party, we would rather just go and play one of the new MMO's coming out later this year and start all over from scratch, remembering the fun we had in L2 and experiencing a new game.
Everything about GoD goes against what L2 has always been. L2 is a gear, buff, grind, and pvp oriented game. GoD is instanced zones to get top gear that is bind on pickup/equip and forces players into the same classes as everyone else. This update really ticks me off, as i love this game, but GoD isn't the L2 i started to play or play now. I've tried Tera, WoW, GW, etc. I keep coming back here because nothing is like L2. Now L2 is changing to the same system/style of those MMO's.
I wish NCsoft would have just made GoD a new MMO rather than destory what they have built in L2 for the last 7 years.
edit: also, special race specific traits arent enough to provide individuality in a game that has its classes cut by 1/3.
Btw, what about Giran market? Are they going to just shut it down with these changes? Or will some meaningful player-driven economy still survive or re-emerge?
I'm not too concerned about any plvling issues, its mroe along the fact that L2 is now based around constant parties that typically have 9-10 friends who all play together.
With this new system, these groups of friends will most likely choose to move on so they dont have to stop playing together. This is why I amde the comment that my constant and myself will be moving on. We love L2, everything it offers, but L2 is really just the medium we use to hang in vent and do stuff in the game together.
With no more crafting, bind on pickup/equip armor through instance only, reduction in classes, forcing into a class I don't want to play, and forcing 2 of my friends out of our party, we would rather just go and play one of the new MMO's coming out later this year and start all over from scratch, remembering the fun we had in L2 and experiencing a new game.
Everything about GoD goes against what L2 has always been. L2 is a gear, buff, grind, and pvp oriented game. GoD is instanced zones to get top gear that is bind on pickup/equip and forces players into the same classes as everyone else. This update really ticks me off, as i love this game, but GoD isn't the L2 i started to play or play now. I've tried Tera, WoW, GW, etc. I keep coming back here because nothing is like L2. Now L2 is changing to the same system/style of those MMO's.
I wish NCsoft would have just made GoD a new MMO rather than destory what they have built in L2 for the last 7 years.
edit: also, special race specific traits arent enough to provide individuality in a game that has its classes cut by 1/3.
agreed. imo, March/April can be do or die for L2. I am ready to move on to Tera if the feedback is bad. If there is no future, what is the point of grinding?
I'm not too concerned about any plvling issues, its mroe along the fact that L2 is now based around constant parties that typically have 9-10 friends who all play together.
With this new system, these groups of friends will most likely choose to move on so they dont have to stop playing together. This is why I amde the comment that my constant and myself will be moving on. We love L2, everything it offers, but L2 is really just the medium we use to hang in vent and do stuff in the game together.
With no more crafting, bind on pickup/equip armor through instance only, reduction in classes, forcing into a class I don't want to play, and forcing 2 of my friends out of our party, we would rather just go and play one of the new MMO's coming out later this year and start all over from scratch, remembering the fun we had in L2 and experiencing a new game.
Everything about GoD goes against what L2 has always been. L2 is a gear, buff, grind, and pvp oriented game. GoD is instanced zones to get top gear that is bind on pickup/equip and forces players into the same classes as everyone else. This update really ticks me off, as i love this game, but GoD isn't the L2 i started to play or play now. I've tried Tera, WoW, GW, etc. I keep coming back here because nothing is like L2. Now L2 is changing to the same system/style of those MMO's.
I wish NCsoft would have just made GoD a new MMO rather than destory what they have built in L2 for the last 7 years.
edit: also, special race specific traits arent enough to provide individuality in a game that has its classes cut by 1/3.
First of all I doubt such thing as constant parties exists in Korea so they really don't care. Also you should know what we say - nothing matters and changes are impossible.
Furthermore we don't know how it's going to look like, I mean gameplay so QQing right now is pointless.
P.S. if you going to quit, can I have your gearz?
NCsoft West please bring us x2 server where High five part 4 will be the latest update ever or C4...
MMO without updates is almost same as SP game. Eventually people will finish content, will get bored and leave. This is the reason no MMO company ever opened such server. If you would lurk around WoW forums it's like 3 suggestion/week to open classic/tbc/wotlk server but even blizzard is not doing that. Such servers are destined to fail from the moment they open.
...and again sky is not falling down yet. Wait for march and then QQ.
agreed. imo, March/April can be do or die for L2. I am ready to move on to Tera if the feedback is bad. If there is no future, what is the point of grinding?
to go play with Tera same as total accept the all bad changes what the Goddess of Destruction want take...
I meant current ones. Baium would be nice :D In any case it was sarcasm which was used in context with him leaving after Korea PTS reviews. ;)
i said i would leave when GoD went live, not now. For now I will enjoy L2 while it lasts. However, NCsoft put well over a years worth of work into the GoD update, so I highly doubt it will be scrapped, regardless of player reception. If 100% of the NA/EU playerbase hates the update, we will still be force fed it.
You are right in that we don't know everythign about the update. However, the update is 1 month away from PTS in Korea and the PTS will be used for balancing the new classes, not for removing core features which is the main focus of QQ in this thread.
Also, you mention that no updates is like playing a SP game. How will it be any different than what we are used to getting now? We get long overdue updates months behind other territories, and stay on one update for a long time.
It really is too bad to see one of the last "good" MMO's being destroyed. I would go back to Star Wars Galaxies, but SOE made the same mistake NCsoft is making here, so that game is worthless too.
edit: to everyone who is interested in tera, the game is instance run after instance run, gear means nothing as you get new gear every 30 minutes or so, and the whole lvling system is quest based. end game will happen in 4-6 months and there is no mass pvp events such as sieges. the kroean beta was fun for a while, then it got old.
playing an old toon in an old game being dumbed down to the abilities of a new dev team
and
starting from scratch in the game that is designed for a similar setup from the ground up.
No, You don't understand. Yes from these news looks like many changes won't be so good for part of currently players.
But it isn't solve the problem if the peoples runaway from it. If you like this game at least respect it with a test.
Maybe a part of the tera developers were developers at the Lineage 2 too. But seems if they could stay here currently too, they would make same changes in the Lineage 2 as the newer dev team.
I'm almost sure in it that I won't play with anyone else MMO, maybe I try some of them for some hours or days, but I won't leave the Lineage 2 for another game. If maybe a day I leave the Lineage 2 I focus to my real life.
The real life is the 2nd best mmo on my rank list:D
It says nowhere that Awakened characters can not party non-Awakened characters. From what we can see in the class videos, the reworked Wasteland seems to be an open hunting ground, not instanced. So powerleveling should be possible there :)
And it will be harder now for some classes to get a party...PP, WS, BH (unless spoils are needed) just to name a few.
Wow, reading this made me really depressed, especially since I just returned to L2.
I must say that I fully agree with Hyperlite. I play Lineage 2 because of what it is now, there's not a single game that can be compared to L2. Sure it has its flaws, but so do every other game, more or less. I've played pretty much every single decent MMORPG that's out there, and I keep coming back to L2, and that must mean something.
And now they are removing major core parts of the game, it just feels... wrong.
They are going to test GoD on Korean PTS on March, supposely.
However, from my experience, they are always a month or two late. So I am expecting it to be on PTS on April or May.
They will probably test it out for another 4to 5 months on the PTS. So even in Korea, we are expecting the GoD update in 8 to 10 months from now.
You guys are probably looking at another 1 year with current system.
It's TOO early to thinking about qq'ing. now.. :D:D:D
Just wait and see what the actual patch notes are gonna be. I am sure destructor will tell them if he has time. Just adept to the new GoD update or leave.
Just wait and see what the actual patch notes are gonna be. I am sure destructor will tell them if he has time. Just adept to the new GoD update or leave.
And what game will you play if the majority of the servers revolts/quits?
I honestly think posts like this are trolls and/or lazy people who didnt read the thread/update info or are new to L2 amd have no clue what the game is about. Every single player i have talked to in game, over msn, or in forums has not been happy about any change in this update that has been revealed so far. And i talk to ALOT of people in game, many of which just browse the forums here and never actually post.
Edit: im not saying someone cant like the update, but the people who like it will make arguments for it, not dumb 1 sentence posts about how everyone needs to accept it and shut up.
And what game will you play if the majority of the servers revolts/quits?
I think the NCwest has already start make the plans, what will they can do if the EU/NA community won't like the GoD.
But please don't forget mainly the player base has problem with the 4th class system.
Not the new bosses, mobs, areas, quests, hunt grounds, skills the problems.
I think the NCKorea too made/make or will make a "B" plan if the 4th class system won't be good for the community.
destructor told about still 8-10 months until the Korean live client release what is end of 2011, it is coming to us than at first half of 2012.
Next of them destructor know and see much better the upcoming changes as we all together at here. So, if he says don't still QQing than don't need still QQing.
And what game will you play if the majority of the servers revolts/quits?
I honestly think posts like this are trolls and/or lazy people who didnt read the thread/update info or are new to L2 amd have no clue what the game is about. Every single player i have talked to in game, over msn, or in forums has not been happy about any change in this update that has been revealed so far. And i talk to ALOT of people in game, many of which just browse the forums here and never actually post.
Edit: im not saying someone cant lile the update, but the people who like it will make arguments for it, not dumb 1 sentence posts about how everyone needs to accept it and shut up.
Right, only dumb people swallow everything u serve them.
Best to say u'r opinion, u always have a "no" and u can get a "yes" by asking.
For my classes i'm pretty happy about the update, even tho the downside is that all healers be "best" healers then, less hard to form party's if i'm not thinking selfishly, but still, there goes my stardom of best healer snif:rolleyes:
And yes totally dont agree on the ONLY 7 persons in party WTF !
Leave that like it is , put the bonus on 7 if u like but i wanna keep playing with the same persons i been playing for 5 years with and i dont wanna just DITCH 2 cuz they think a party only needs 7 now !
Right, only dumb people swallow everything u serve them.
Best to say u'r opinion, u always have a "no" and u can get a "yes" by asking.
For my classes i'm pretty happy about the update, even tho the downside is that all healers be "best" healers then, less hard to form party's if i'm not thinking selfishly, but still, there goes my stardom of best healer snif:rolleyes:
And yes totally dont agree on the ONLY 7 persons in party WTF !
Leave that like it is , put the bonus on 7 if u like but i wanna keep playing with the same persons i been playing for 5 years with and i dont wanna just DITCH 2 cuz they think a party only needs 7 now !
the thing i dont understand is why did they implement H5 at all? H5 enhances the XP bonus for larger parties, then GoD removes this by limiting parties to 7 people. H5 allows everyone easier methods to OE skills with more mastery books and lower enchant costs, then GoD removes all enchants completely. H5 allows melee chars to have an easier time at oly and really tries to balance classes in oly, then GoD appears to remove oly all together to be re-implemented later(i may eb wrong, but i thought 1 interview said olympiad was being planned after GoD). H5 makes spoilers a class people want in parties, GoD removes the need for a spoiler all together. H5 fixes the epic dragons so people will actually PvP for them, GoD makes all end game gear obtained through instances only.
i just dont understand how NCsoft made such a drastic change in design theories, its as if they brought on a 100% new dev team that has never seen L2 before, and wasn't informed as to what any of the recent updates were.
Since I read this topic i've been searching about others MMO around there...
I found no system like L2 yet, but i realized how the graphics here need to be boosted...
If it gets a lol system as people are saying and keep the graphics someway like it is I think L2 will finally become just good memory for me
;)
Probably wait for Blade & Soul. The only thing i dont understand is the classes that will be reduced too 8.
so you tell everyone to accept the new system or leave, then you admit you dont like/understand the main change in GoD which is the reduction of all classes down to 8, which is what 90% of this thread is complaining about.
way to fit the profile i posted before of being too lazy to read the thread...
I'll wait for PTS to see how fun the new play style is. For me it doesn't really matter the number of classes, all it matters if it's still fun to play.
Since I read this topic i've been searching about others MMO around there...
I found no system like L2 yet, but i realized how the graphics here need to be boosted...
If it gets a lol system as people are saying and keep the graphics someway like it is I think L2 will finally become just good memory for me
;)
i actually think L2's weapon and armor models are some fo the best in any fantasy game (except i have no clue what the designer was thinking with elegia and the periel sword)
i actually think L2's weapon and armor models are some fo the best in any fantasy game (except i have no clue what the designer was thinking with elegia and the periel sword)
Have to agree on this. L2 is one of the most aesthetically beautiful games out there.
well for me it depends mostly on my ingame friends and among them are bd's pp dc & ol and with me being a sws we're about all to become the same "class" which is going to mess up our party/gaming balance completely..
we all love our class as they are or we wouldn't have played them all the way to 85+
as Hyper said we rather move on to another game to keep play together then being forced into either stop play together or have some of us forced to "reroll" :(
the thing i dont understand is why did they implement H5 at all? H5 enhances the XP bonus for larger parties, then GoD removes this by limiting parties to 7 people. H5 allows everyone easier methods to OE skills with more mastery books and lower enchant costs, then GoD removes all enchants completely. H5 allows melee chars to have an easier time at oly and really tries to balance classes in oly, then GoD appears to remove oly all together to be re-implemented later(i may eb wrong, but i thought 1 interview said olympiad was being planned after GoD). H5 makes spoilers a class people want in parties, GoD removes the need for a spoiler all together. H5 fixes the epic dragons so people will actually PvP for them, GoD makes all end game gear obtained through instances only.
i just dont understand how NCsoft made such a drastic change in design theories, its as if they brought on a 100% new dev team that has never seen L2 before, and wasn't informed as to what any of the recent updates were.
Actually on the Enchant part, u will need u'r skill ENCHANTED to get the giants skill, if its not u can't get it.
And once u get the skill from u'r new class u will get a reward accroding to the level of enchantment, as far as i understand it, so enchanting will have its rewards, just the question is, will the reward be according to the enchanting u did , not counting the failed enchants off course and will the new skill be better then a +30 heal for example ?
Since I read this topic i've been searching about others MMO around there...
I found no system like L2 yet, but i realized how the graphics here need to be boosted...
If it gets a lol system as people are saying and keep the graphics someway like it is I think L2 will finally become just good memory for me
;)
Wich game has better graphics then this one whitout looking somewhat awckward if they use 3d graphics ?
I haven't seen one yet (not counting Aion and other NC games)
Actually on the Enchant part, u will need u'r skill ENCHANTED to get the giants skill, if its not u can't get it.
And once u get the skill from u'r new class u will get a reward accroding to the level of enchantment, as far as i understand it, so enchanting will have its rewards, just the question is, will the reward be according to the enchanting u did , not counting the failed enchants off course and will the new skill be better then a +30 heal for example ?
the problem is tho, if i trade in +30 shock stomp, do i get a better AoE Stun? or do i get some uber damage skill that requires dual blunts?
my guess is the second option, as all warriors will get the same giant skills.
The worst thing that nc soft can do, is make quit all the loyal costumer that they have for the last 7 years, to make "need blood" try the game without know if they will even play this game for longer than 2 or 3 weeks. Will be the end of l2 at least in NA/EU and RUOFF servers.
I think the time has come when Moderators have to close this topic.
We all just can repeat ourself, but nobody doesn't know about nothing 100% sure information.
Nobody don't want loose his/her classes nobody in Europe/Korea/Vietnam/China/America etc.
I'm sure, that the developers read this and every another official Lineage 2 forum too. Almost sure, that won't like it the Korean player base too.
For the NCsoft the Lineage 2 is business too for the developers it is mean work place and money too. They aren't crazy if they will see it isn't work they won't forces, they can loose with it too much.
I dont get it... besides that i agree on all that was said about having many classes is what l2 makes special for me...
i really wonder how they can after 6 years decide to reduce partysize from 9 to 7.... i dont know if there exist constants in Korea, but it will be fun to see a game of "The weakest Link" ... reducing 9 players that played together for ages to 7... but well, i assume if this update comes as it seems now, there wont be many partys that still have more then 7 of 9 players left, so yeah, maybe THIS is not the problem....
I will tell u why GoD will fail so hard. I'm sure the "new blood" that will try the game because of the new awesome graphics, new game system, and all the changes that will bring GoD. They dont have a single idea about what was the old system and will need between 8 months to more than a year to at least be close to the current lvl that the players have in this moment and they will just feel apart of the game for long time or forever just because not every body are enough active to reach faster the lvl necessary to be part of the new content that offers every update that l2 bring every like 6 months.
The ppl who like to play not so hard mmo are currently playing any of the thousands of games that the market offers currently and best way to bring "new blood" in l2 is making publicity!!, eradicating the 3rd programs, balancing classes make every class useful not nerffing 1 and OP other nor giving the unique skill of 1 class to the others, making new armors and weapons not making a new armor with the same texture of an old armor but with different color like dynasty(old)/elegia(new), moirai/vesper/vorpal (same texture just different color). That is what is killing L2 the laziness of ncsoft and the ridiculously way that ncsoft is solving the demands of their loyal costumer that just want to have a fair service for what they pay for.
i actually think L2's weapon and armor models are some fo the best in any fantasy game (except i have no clue what the designer was thinking with elegia and the periel sword)
Have to agree on this. L2 is one of the most aesthetically beautiful games out there.
I was not talking about weapon and armor models...
I was talking about animation and interaction with enviroment.
Like when a character hit another, fall from a cliff, hit a wall while running or run down a ramp.
For exemple "Kingdom under fire 2" thats about to be released... great graphics
Or even LOTRO
And there are many other MMO that are bringing graphics with high lvl of detail.
If you are lvl 74 plainwalker,, it's too early to say you are going to look for another game.. You haven't even come across the real fun yet.
haha most ppl don't put their real lvls in their signature here, more the other way around most 85+ players got something like lvl 65 Gladi in their sig on purpose for fun :)
What you think the other people do doesn't mean that's what they are doing.
Maybe you don't show your true level and classes, but how could you be 100% sure that there are others who does.. Don't speak out for others when you are not 100% sure.
If you are lvl 74 plainwalker,, it's too early to say you are going to look for another game.. You haven't even come across the real fun yet.
I've played L2 during C3, C4, C5, kamael and Hellbound...
stopped playing and now i restarted here during the Freya....
Because i realized that the money saved playing a lot of private servers dont worth it... because u just dont stack with one server only
So yes.. ive played several toons in old time chronicles in "retail" servers...
and since i started playing 5 years ago i know how this game was supposed to work including the "real fun".
I'm glad you do. I was just referring to based on what you have stated on your characters and lvl. :)
I left that comment because I didn't want anybody trying out L2 missing the fun and quit too early before they get to know the real L2.:D
I am just someone who really loves L2 and my toon just like most of you guys do here.:p
Ok, I understand you... and you are right, if someone is trying L2 for the first time now its silly to consider quiting now without knowing what the game is really about...
My first comment was just about the things that would change what game is about since it was created!
A game with a high diversity of posible characters and great graphics!
As i said, would be a great mistake for L2 if:
"If it gets a lol system as people are saying and keep the graphics someway like it is"
If the only difference between 2 classes is the race skill, then if there are 2 classes of the same race that are considered warriors, at the end they will be the same?
Lets say gladiators and warlords, or tyrants and destroyers.
If the only difference between 2 classes is the race skill, then if there are 2 classes of the same race that are considered warriors, at the end they will be the same?
Lets say gladiators and warlords, or tyrants and destroyers.
You are correct, there will now be only 1 weapon and 1 armor set in entire game, it will be given to you when you create your character and no longer will boss jewels or hair accessories be allowed in game, furthermore augments for weapon and jewel sets will produce the same passive skill for everyone, enchants and elements will be removed, subclass will be removed, only 1 type of mob will remain.....
and yes witches will come and steal your babies for dark magic... BURN THE WITCHES...
Seriously, there will be plenty of customization left in the game, that is one thing the koreans love. For example, you have a tyrant i have a titan, in new update you can still use a fist weapon and i can use a 2 handed sword, but i am free and open to use a blunt, dual wield, or use a pole as you will also... Each person will be able to play in the same style as now, based on your preferences...
Its not like they will say "here you are a tyr Warrior now, you must only use this one weapon and be like all other Tyr Warriors" I think you are too worried.
I highly doubt NC Soft korea will kill its bread and butter, Lineage 2 is the top game over there, and they will strive to make the korean gamers happy, besides how else are they going to pay for their brand new $30 mil facility they just built, lol
You are correct, there will now be only 1 weapon and 1 armor set in entire game, it will be given to you when you create your character and no longer will boss jewels or hair accessories be allowed in game, furthermore augments for weapon and jewel sets will produce the same passive skill for everyone, enchants and elements will be removed, subclass will be removed, only 1 type of mob will remain.....
and yes witches will come and steal your babies for dark magic... BURN THE WITCHES...
Seriously, there will be plenty of customization left in the game, that is one thing the koreans love. For example, you have a tyrant i have a titan, in new update you can still use a fist weapon and i can use a 2 handed sword, but i am free and open to use a blunt, dual wield, or use a pole as you will also... Each person will be able to play in the same style as now, based on your preferences...
Its not like they will say "here you are a tyr Warrior now, you must only use this one weapon and be like all other Tyr Warriors" I think you are too worried.
I highly doubt NC Soft korea will kill its bread and butter, Lineage 2 is the top game over there, and they will strive to make the korean gamers happy, besides how else are they going to pay for their brand new $30 mil facility they just built, lol
hehe, well im not saying they loose everything that diferences the characters instantanly, in the other hand, they say the toons will start loosing their 2nd and 3rd class skills while they start getting equivalent skills on 4th class... I will wait though for the pts to know
hehe, well im not saying they loose everything that diferences the characters instantanly, in the other hand, they say the toons will start loosing their 2nd and 3rd class skills while they start getting equivalent skills on 4th class... I will wait though for the pts to know
Its going to be like for example SLH with male and female they are the same class but slight differnce in stats and skills.
I am currently playing on 17th Korean server.
I am 100% Lv. 85 Doombringer with 75-75-80(Judi) subs.
destructor,
Since you play on a Korean server, can you confirm a rumor?
Back when the Korean servers got the Kamael update, word has it that the Korean servers received two extra character slots due to the addition of the new race. Is this true? Click the link in my signature to get an idea of what I'm talking about.
Since you play on a Korean server, can you confirm a rumor?
Back when the Korean servers got the Kamael update, word has it that the Korean servers received two extra character slots due to the addition of the new race. Is this true? Click the link in my signature to get an idea of what I'm talking about.
We can only create up to 7 toons per account. If that's what you are asking.