Hi all. To begin with Im a Titan lvl 78 in IC heavy and a dragon hunters axe 150 fire.
Today I tried Giants Cave after hearing it was great xp. I had PP buffs and couldnt even dent a lesser giant when I had 10k patk and they did 1k dmg to me per normal hit! What is up with that? Is there any quest I have to do or something?
Hi all. To begin with Im a Titan lvl 78 in IC heavy and a dragon hunters axe 150 fire.
Today I tried Giants Cave after hearing it was great xp. I had PP buffs and couldnt even dent a lesser giant when I had 10k patk and they did 1k dmg to me per normal hit! What is up with that? Is there any quest I have to do or something?
Thanks for replies!
It's not a solo area! You have to be in the party.
I can solo there too but I need Counter Critical (lvl 83 Prophet buff) and dances to do so. Also at least level 81 so the mobs would be white and you wouldn't have damage penalty.
For your level I would suggest Den of Evil. Just make sure to follow these steps:
There are 4 eyes around circle, make at least 3 of those eyes blue(to make those eyes blue just kill them over and over until blue one spawns). Every 7 min you will receive system message warning you. Once you get the message run to the eye which isn't blue(Or if they all are blue to any of them) and kill it.
During those 7 min enjoy killing mobs w/ 500 crit rate! Mobs die fast and give decent exp.
Hi all. To begin with Im a Titan lvl 78 in IC heavy and a dragon hunters axe 150 fire.
Today I tried Giants Cave after hearing it was great xp. I had PP buffs and couldnt even dent a lesser giant when I had 10k patk and they did 1k dmg to me per normal hit! What is up with that? Is there any quest I have to do or something?
Thanks for replies!
You have to be at least 81-82 with epiks to solo there. There is a dmg penalty since you only78.
300 element..... some epics... .dances at least... and full buffs.... and you'll be able to take one down relatively quickly by yourself..
otherwise it's suicide..
It takes me about 1 minutes and 30 seconds as a blade dancer with cov to kill one without any epics....
Or 150 sawsword, warriors ring and tallum heawy
Class: 81 ST
Buffs: CoV/CC+zerk/Dances
Takes about 30-40s to kill one.
During 2x weekend in december whenever GM's were giving buffs I was making ~15% @ lvl 81/20-30 min(I was taking GM buffs 3 times during 1gm visit). Since I didn't need to CoV I boxed 61 SE for stigma. 3kk exp/mob is crazy.
guys how does the damage penalty work?
what % damage difference do you get?
Its only affects mobs that are 78 + and mobs that are 3 levels higher than you?
The formula used to determine damaged inflicted on monsters level 78+ has changed slightly.
The amount of damage inflicted on monsters will be lower if your character is 2 or more levels below that of the level 78+ monster.
Damage will not decrease if player is same or higher level of the monster they are attacking.
In case of a servitor or a pet, damage will be based on owner's level and not the pet's level.
Decreased damage amounts apply for all types of attacks (weapons, skill, etc.).
This change does not apply to PVP.
The formula used to determine resistance against magic inflicted on monsters level 78+ has changed slightly.
When a character's level is 3 or more levels lower than that of a monsters level the chance that the monster will be able to resist a magic spell will increase.
Items that used to affect the chance of a creature resisting a magic attack has changed.
The chance of monsters resisting magic spells will be based on character's level rather than stats used to boost the chance to hit a monster.
This change does not apply to PVP.
So nukers max 3 level difference. Melees max 2 levels difference.
The % is not something which is posted somewhere and due to the increase in power upon leveling can not be clearly calculated, but it is a significant % and should be avoided. Especially in raids.
Or 150 sawsword, warriors ring and tallum heawy
Class: 81 ST
Buffs: CoV/CC+zerk/Dances
Takes about 30-40s to kill one.
During 2x weekend in december whenever GM's were giving buffs I was making ~15% @ lvl 81/20-30 min(I was taking GM buffs 3 times during 1gm visit). Since I didn't need to CoV I boxed 61 SE for stigma. 3kk exp/mob is crazy.
I'm calling ******** on a claim of ~30-45% per hour at 81 (even with double xp).
Or 150 sawsword, warriors ring and tallum heawy
Class: 81 ST
Buffs: CoV/CC+zerk/Dances
Takes about 30-40s to kill one.
During 2x weekend in december whenever GM's were giving buffs I was making ~15% @ lvl 81/20-30 min(I was taking GM buffs 3 times during 1gm visit). Since I didn't need to CoV I boxed 61 SE for stigma. 3kk exp/mob is crazy.
I really would like believe in 15% in 30 min....
OK.
Pole with D/S .. possibly not as well .. but we could start discussing.
But ST? with 150 element ?
At 81 lvl you need do 630 000 000 000 exp to next level.
Lets assume mob gave you 3 000 000 exp (as you wrote)
100 % == 21000 mobs
1 mob in 35 sec (in average - as you wrote)
You need then 735000 sec == 204 h to get level.
Then 15 % is rougly 30 h ... not 30 min :)
So you are somewhere wrong.
Maybe 1.5%?
P.S. to OP DoE or Silent Valley is perfect for you.
I really would like believe in 15% in 30 min....
OK.
Pole with D/S .. possibly not as well .. but we could start discussing.
But ST? with 150 element ?
At 81 lvl you need do 630 000 000 000 exp to next level.
Lets assume mob gave you 3 000 000 exp (as you wrote)
100 % == 21000 mobs
1 mob in 35 sec (in average - as you wrote)
You need then 735000 sec == 204 h to get level.
Then 15 % is rougly 30 h ... not 30 min :)
So you are somewhere wrong.
Maybe 1.5%?
P.S. to OP DoE or Silent Valley is perfect for you.
Your calculation is fail, it does not take 630 billion xp from 81 to 82 :)
It takes 2.1b from 80 to 81, and 2.5b from 81 to 82 (until tomorrow after the maintenance, that is). So it would take 833 mobs of 3m xp to get from 81 to 82. At 1.5 minutes per mob, you'd be able to kill 40 mobs per hour, which is 120m xp, or 20.8% / hour. Or a bit over 10% per 30 minutes.
3kk exp/mob it takes about 20-30s to kill it. With boost morale I kill about 7-9 of them during two minutes.
so on average I get 9kk exp during 1 minute. Over period of ~30+ min(as I go to take GM buffs few times) I make around ~250kk(It's very low end number)+++ at least.
Set up 7 people party in Giant cave. You will lvl up faster.
yes, you do earn more xp/mob solo, but 7 party will kill faster and more at given time. You will lvl up very fast in 7 member party.
Typically in Korea, set up is, SD, SWS(SWS sometimes in, sometimes not depends on the availability.), 3DD(sometimes 4 if sws is not available.), buffer(usually prophet), One healer that has stigma.
DD can be anyone without discrimination as long as they are equipped properly. (lvl 81~85, Water resist of at least 120 is must on the armor. Any type of weapon with at least 150 elemant is must.)
Usullay the party don't need to be healed. The healer ends up just doing the stigma.
Set up 7 people party in Giant cave. You will lvl up faster.
yes, you do earn more xp/mob solo, but 7 party will kill faster and more at given time. You will lvl up very fast in 7 member party.
Typically in Korea, set up is, SD, SWS(SWS sometimes in, sometimes not depends on the availability.), 3DD(sometimes 4 if sws is not available.), buffer(usually prophet), One healer that has stigma.
DD can be anyone without discrimination as long as they are equipped properly. (lvl 81~85, Water resist of at least 120 is must on the armor. Any type of weapon with at least 150 elemant is must.)
Usullay the party don't need to be healed. The healer ends up just doing the stigma.
i hope to god you are talking about Lower GC, as Upper GC is solo only with a buff box.
Set up 7 people party in Giant cave. You will lvl up faster.
yes, you do earn more xp/mob solo, but 7 party will kill faster and more at given time. You will lvl up very fast in 7 member party.
Typically in Korea, set up is, SD, SWS(SWS sometimes in, sometimes not depends on the availability.), 3DD(sometimes 4 if sws is not available.), buffer(usually prophet), One healer that has stigma.
DD can be anyone without discrimination as long as they are equipped properly. (lvl 81~85, Water resist of at least 120 is must on the armor. Any type of weapon with at least 150 elemant is must.)
Usullay the party don't need to be healed. The healer ends up just doing the stigma.
i hope to god you are talking about Lower GC, as Upper GC is solo only with a buff box.
middle or low. upper is for lower lvl party. Some will do solo with box.
Typically only one party hunts the whole middle level. If there's hunting going on, the other party that comes later will leave.
You won't see that many solo with box with us. People will bring box charters to party for support if they have one. You will see often group 10 to 12 charcters per party, but only 7 are in the party getting exp.
do not many ppl in korea have 300 weapons or epics? (i find this hard to believe)
It's not that we don't have those.. I discussed it in different thread. We are overall probably better equiped than you guys do.. no offense and I am not trying to say we are better.
But I've observed few catle sieges past couple days.. we just do have better equipments. and most of us do have 300 element on weapons and epics, yet we will not discriminate you even if you only have 150.
We perfer to be in groups than play solo.
I bragged about it many times, here comes our 'we' versus your 'I'. that's just it.
It's not that we don't have those.. I discussed it in different thread. We are overall probably better equiped than you guys do.. no offense and I am not trying to say we are better.
But I've observed few catle sieges past couple days.. we just do have better equipments. and most of us do have 300 element on weapons and epics, yet we will not discriminate you even if you only have 150.
We perfer to be in groups than play solo.
I bragged about it many times, here comes our 'we' versus your 'I'. that's just it.
It's not that we don't have those.. I discussed it in different thread. We are overall probably better equiped than you guys do.. no offense and I am not trying to say we are better.
But I've observed few catle sieges past couple days.. we just do have better equipments. and most of us do have 300 element on weapons and epics, yet we will not discriminate you even if you only have 150.
We perfer to be in groups than play solo.
I bragged about it many times, here comes our 'we' versus your 'I'. that's just it.
its not soo much of the "we" vs "I" that i was getting at.
GC Mid/Bottom can be easily farmed by a 3-4 person group if 1 dd has decent gear. the point i am getting at is that if you have a 7 man party, all mid 80's, why waste your time in GC? There are plenty of better spots to go.
now I understand server population can play a big part in that, but my whole point was that a 7 man group of 300, epic'd out chars would be way too much for GC bottom, and the respawn alone would be a limiting factor.
3kk exp/mob it takes about 20-30s to kill it. With boost morale I kill about 7-9 of them during two minutes.
so on average I get 9kk exp during 1 minute. Over period of ~30+ min(as I go to take GM buffs few times) I make around ~250kk(It's very low end number)+++ at least.
Havent drank 30 min maint. pot yet as I was going to get buffs few times.
P.S. New pain brushed rox lol.
I didn't doubt your claim of having LOLgear. I'm just saying that you are not killing, in that gear, with the speed necessary to get 15% every 20/30 min. So in conclusion, you greatly exaggerated the xp you're able to get, now man up and admit to it.
its not soo much of the "we" vs "I" that i was getting at.
GC Mid/Bottom can be easily farmed by a 3-4 person group if 1 dd has decent gear. the point i am getting at is that if you have a 7 man party, all mid 80's, why waste your time in GC? There are plenty of better spots to go.
now I understand server population can play a big part in that, but my whole point was that a 7 man group of 300, epic'd out chars would be way too much for GC bottom, and the respawn alone would be a limiting factor.
Most of us hunts in dragon caven now. For those can't find spots goes to GC. I only mentioned about GC because that was the issue here.
And you are still not getting our 'we' mind. Even if it's not effective, we'd prefer to be in groups. Yes even one character properly equipped can handle those areas, that's not the point. Even if one's hunting and rest is not doing anything, we'll still make party.
Most of us hunts in dragon caven now. For those can't find spots goes to GC. I only mentioned about GC because that was the issue here.
And you are still not getting our 'we' mind. Even if it's not effective, we'd prefer to be in groups. Yes even one character properly equipped can handle those areas, that's not the point. Even if one's hunting and rest is not doing anything, we'll still make party.
i fully understand the "we" aspect that the koreans follow when playing. our servers were the same 4-5 years ago, when our server populations were booming. people would shout in almost every town looking for pick up groups, people without a clan could easily find parties, it was a very different game then. L2 was new to everyone and partying was a fun way to meet new people.
but sadly, that isnt the nature of our servers anymore, and it truely is due to bad support from ncsoft.
many of the older players who played since pre-lude will know what you are talking about, it just sucks we dont have that anymore.
+1 to Hyper.
Playing since 2006. Back then u could easily get 2-3 parties via shout in towns for a RB. Now u can spend a lot of time with shouts w/o getting any Party.
It's even hard to find 1-2 another ppl for Kamaloka which is a shame and result of missing marketing combined with loosing old players due to rly bad support.
Atleast it is going better, slowly..
All i can say about giants cave lower exp in the double exp weekend is that with nevits all the time and playing +/- 4 hours per day in duo with a SD (im a GK) dc 80 + pp 79 + se 79 oop and sometimes more ppl in party is that i did from lvl 82 with 45% to 83 with 55% and i had since i lvled to 83 my kooka out. I have a decent gear so its easy to kill there its my normal exp spot anyway :p and im exping there since i was 79 or 80 i dont remember now.
Set up 7 people party in Giant cave. You will lvl up faster.
yes, you do earn more xp/mob solo, but 7 party will kill faster and more at given time. You will lvl up very fast in 7 member party.
Typically in Korea, set up is, SD, SWS(SWS sometimes in, sometimes not depends on the availability.), 3DD(sometimes 4 if sws is not available.), buffer(usually prophet), One healer that has stigma.
DD can be anyone without discrimination as long as they are equipped properly. (lvl 81~85, Water resist of at least 120 is must on the armor. Any type of weapon with at least 150 elemant is must.)
Usullay the party don't need to be healed. The healer ends up just doing the stigma.
+1 to this
I can kill GC lower by myself but need prophecy at the least and Vamp Dance to not need heals. HOWEVER even with good gear it is NOT efficient to kill solo there without Stigma and Dances; it's a waste of soul shot because kill rate is too slow. Better to go solo in SV till 82. But if I have stigma and dances it's doable and decently fast.
GC lower is very good xp, even for 9 person party, as long as someone with 120 water resist on armor can tank it. 150 weapon is fine, but you will be hit much too hard w/o water resist on armor; those in A grade armor can and will be two-shotted if they get aggro. If you don't have epics or high damage output for vr-tanking you will have to get an actual Tank class to tank it for the party. Add in several DD, BD, DC, healer, maybe sws, and good to go. Stigma is very helpful in increasing kill rate but can do without if you have a large party with lots of DD that can kill fairly quickly anyway.
Also, it is well worth your time to learn to make use of party matching (click the tiny button on the very bottom left of your screen in game). I've been using that very regularly for awhile now and have been in random pick-up GC parties often since merge; you can meet and talk to people while getting good xp. There are several people who regularly make GC parties on Chronos now, and it's fairly easy to make your own with party matching. Although I should be soloing chamber for stones to sell that gets old/boring/stressful and I find it relaxing to get in a decent gc party and just gogo for hours with other people.
hmm..a duelist with icarus duals(150 ele) and dynasty armor with PP+se buffs and in duo with a bd can wipe that place...i mean the big mobs not the upper ones..kills these mobs in 20 second max
Yeah GC lower is pretty easy tbh. Like Wulf says all you need is a BD and a PP/SE/DC. The xp and the cash you pick up solo are pretty insane... It's only efficient if you're a strong DD though.
Parties are nice though. I don't think it's even possible to solo in Dragon Valley beyond the starter area. Those Gem Dragons hit like raid bosses or harder and come in groups of 3 (lol).
Even with a small 3-5 man party though those mobs are really good xp. Like 300-400k xp per mob (vita 4) but they drop at solo mob speeds (5-10 seconds).