So, guys we can hear since 5 months, that mostly the Lineage II community nowhere don't like the upcoming changes what will appear when the Goddess of Destruction release. We have to fight for our requests, but we have to agree, that mostly this game is played in Asia, so we have to make compromises with their play style too and accept, that not every feature what we want able to develop. I read and heard under the last month many players comments and reaction from different regions, so I made a petition what is I think will be good for us, for the Asian players and the NCsoft can develop easy these features.
So if you like this petition, I make for it a Facebook group, open a topic for it on petitiononline.com and maybe on the Youtube too in video petition form.
I hope with this I can help for the NCsoft in the developing and I can support our interests too.
Dear NCsoft and Dear Lineage II Development team.
As we heard on the last G-Star show you develop to us a new update/expansion to the Lineage II, what name is Goddess of Destruction. We hear about this "New Project" already since 5 months. We all know, that we still just heard very few information about the Goddess of Destruction, but what we already know about the GoD, we the Lineage II community don't like it. We want, that you keep the Lineage II's own unique system and don't destroy the game with drastical changes.
In the upcoming ten points you can read, what the community of Lineage II wait from you in the future:
1. Classes of Lineage II:
- Keep the currently 36 different third classes and share between them the skills what are already developed. Or all the 36 classes let's get own unique 4th classes (36 4th classes) and share between them the skills what are already developed.
2. Skill system:
- Don't remove the skills after level 85, be all currently skills are useful too on level 99 too.
- Don't remove from the game the skill enchant system, let the player overenchant their 2nd class skills from 30 to 45, their 3rd class skills from 15 to 30.
3. Party system:
- Keep the maximum 9 members in a party form.
- Expand the maximum number of party to 12, by this step more players will available to find party.
4. Hunting Zones:
- Remake some hunting grounds for the players who are between level 1-70 and add new hunting zones the player who are between 85-99.
- The new or revamped raid bosses appear in opened instance zones.
- Add new, interesting and useful feature to lower level hunting grounds, what with the new player can enjoy the game much more.
5. Leveling proccess:
- Don't decrease, the requisite XP of the levels between 1-85, but add much more useful quests between 1-80 what with the players can get easier new weapons, armors etc. (what are help for them in leveling proccess).
6. Olympiad system:
- The minimum requirement of the Olympiad games keep the currently requirement (3rd class, level 76, Noblesse).
- In the Goddess of Destruction too, be available to every 36 different classes one-one own hero position.
7. Items:
- The new weapons, armors, jewelries are able to craft, trade and drop too.
- Every new key materials and recipes are able to spoil too.
8. Graphic and game design:
- Keep the currently game design. If you plan to develop to the game the effect when the hit points appear on the damaged mobs, let us an option mode, what with we can turn in or turn off this effect. Don't force the player to play with a "World of Warcraft clone" or an "AION clone".
- Give new and nicer light, water and shadow effect.
- Solve the lagg problems (if it is neccesary with a new engine).
- Get the Lineage II DirectX 11 support.
9. Movement system:
- Delete this new special jump from the Goddess of Destruction, it has very nice effect, but it hasn't part in the Lineage II.
10. Political system:
- Keep the currently form of clan politic system. Let every clans to make clan war against another clan(s) or make alliance with another clan(s).
- What we currently know about the siege system of the Goddess of Destruction we agree it.
- Keep the Territory War system in the game.
- Keep the currently free PVP and PK system.
- Add new and more features in the political and PVP system (example Headhunter system).
I franklu have to agree on all those points, instead of focussing so hard on making new things , they really should fix the faulty things FIRST.
If they hope to balance out the game by reducing to a small class number, they are wrong everyone is verry attached to their own specifik class or even seperated a sub to play that particular class for several reasons.
I even find myself (now i red about the skills being taken away) using lvl 40 skills at high level, and i do want to keep those !
The thing i would give as advice to nc soft, pick up the thread where u left it, why did u stop skills at 75 ?
Like for instance a silly one like Wind walk for example, why stop at lvl 2 ?
Add a lvl 3 ww at lvl 80 for example.
Those might seem silly things , but they arent at all, and if u do it the smart way why dont u give a lvl 2 of the combo skills, wich doesnt mean they haveto be doubled , no no, just enhenced a little, i bet a ton of those buffers and melee's would get a smile till behind their ears for that.
Dont search it so far, u'r digging to deep, keep it simple.
I franklu have to agree on all those points, instead of focussing so hard on making new things , they really should fix the faulty things FIRST.
If they hope to balance out the game by reducing to a small class number, they are wrong everyone is verry attached to their own specifik class or even seperated a sub to play that particular class for several reasons.
I even find myself (now i red about the skills being taken away) using lvl 40 skills at high level, and i do want to keep those !
The thing i would give as advice to nc soft, pick up the thread where u left it, why did u stop skills at 75 ?
Like for instance a silly one like Wind walk for example, why stop at lvl 2 ?
Add a lvl 3 ww at lvl 80 for example.
Those might seem silly things , but they arent at all, and if u do it the smart way why dont u give a lvl 2 of the combo skills, wich doesnt mean they haveto be doubled , no no, just enhenced a little, i bet a ton of those buffers and melee's would get a smile till behind their ears for that.
Dont search it so far, u'r digging to deep, keep it simple.
Yes, I understand your viewpoint, that why they don't give resist shock lvl 5 on 81 and greater might lvl 5 on 83 etc.
But, as you see the peoples accept and like it since 7 years, so maybe a day these will change, but until, you have to make compromise with these. I think these aren't so big problems to you.
Next of these we have to know, that never was and never will perfect game, alway will some features what the developers can expand one-one game as the Lineage II too. If release a new update or game a part of ppls like another part of ppls don't like it. And this is fine in this form.
Lineage 2 having dx11 support sounds unreasonable, I think it still uses dx8.....
Its the unreal 2004 engine modified so I doubt they would waste time trying to implement a later version of directx, however performance improvements would be nice. There is no excuse why I can run Age of Conan on max settings with 8x AA @40-60fps while L2 can barely manage 20fps. Ridiculous!
Lineage 2 having dx11 support sounds unreasonable, I think it still uses dx8.....
Uses dx9.
Regarding the topic at hand, it seems to me we don't know enough about what's going to actually happen at this point to start crying about it. Many of these thing may just turn out to be false, this hasn't even hit Korean PTS yet.
And, yes, as stated above....Keep It Simple. So easy for a long list of big demands to be tossed aside and ignored.
Regarding the topic at hand, it seems to me we don't know enough about what's going to actually happen at this point to start crying about it. Many of these thing may just turn out to be false, this hasn't even hit Korean PTS yet.
And, yes, as stated above....Keep It Simple. So easy for a long list of big demands to be tossed aside and ignored.
Well as the peoples says the "coin has two sides".
1st side while currently at now don't know the full GoD update list and if with this petition or with same petitions NCsoft will decide, that they delete the GoD project, than if it could be in live version maybe a really good revamped Lineage II, than we can forget it to forever.
2nd side if we already wait the PTS and we just start cry after maybe the NCsoft can say or decide, that they won't change the GoD update and than we just hope, that this update won't destroy totally the Lineage II.
if you want GoD to not be implemented, we have to hope that the russian servers completely refuse it, thats the only way NCkorea's eyes might be opened to what we want. (btw the ru servers are revoltng against the update as well last time i checked).
our servers dont provide enough income for them to honestly care if we like it or not imo.
+1 to OP and yes Hyper let's hope Taiwan/China & Japan also voice their opinions cause except for the Korean Dev team the majority of their customer base doesn't want this..
to add here as the Korean Devs aren't really having a fair & open discussion about it seems in Korea, check the below polls.. this kind of game breaking polls and only have ~200 voters ? hahahaha who do they think they're fooling ? :rolleyes:
if you want GoD to not be implemented, we have to hope that the russian servers completely refuse it, thats the only way NCkorea's eyes might be opened to what we want. (btw the ru servers are revoltng against the update as well last time i checked).
our servers dont provide enough income for them to honestly care if we like it or not imo.
edit: im all for trying tho
This is why I told, that we should make a topic to this on different popular community sites as Facebook or Youtube nowadays many peoples uses these sites and who know how, but if you start make different demonstrations on these sites you can get really nice results. Exampleif you follow the news nowadays the peoples started make groups on facebook of in more country started revolution and the peoples now remake their country in Middle-East after hundreds or thousands years it is amazing.
If you compare to these things, that what we want achieve at the Lineage II development team, it is nothing!
But if we never won't try, than we sure, that won't achieve nothing:)
Regarding the topic at hand, it seems to me we don't know enough about what's going to actually happen at this point to start crying about it. Many of these thing may just turn out to be false, this hasn't even hit Korean PTS yet.
And, yes, as stated above....Keep It Simple. So easy for a long list of big demands to be tossed aside and ignored.
You mean the Unreal 3 engine (gears of war etc) is dx9, Unreal 2004 engine is dx8. The only thing that probably uses dx9 features is the new water effects in L2, thats it. The rest of the engine is dx8.
if I wanted to be just another dd I'd play one of the more common dd classes; I like that my Kamael is (or at least was) somewhat unique and/or rare; and I've spent a lot of time on it; to be suddenly made interchangeable with every other dd is frustrating and boring. Nor do I want my SE to be just another healer... If they make all of us carbon copy clones then no one is unique and it will be incredibly boring. I'll still look like a kamael right, but big deal, if I can't do anything different from anyone else.
"9. Movement system:
- Delete this new special jump from the Goddess of Destruction, it has very nice effect, but it hasn't part in the Lineage II."
- this is exactly what I thought when I saw that. L2 is a lot of things but it isn't a game where this would fit in. Let's NOT make this game into wow.
I really don't like that they think they have to go so far in changing the entire paradigm of the game, which has been going nearly 7 years now... people playing for many years already just might be okay with it the way it was in general; such radical changes don't appeal to new or old players.
lol this is like a QQwaterfall , you know 0 things about the update and you cry so much , imagine after we got the patch notes , you gonna flood the forum with crying
The only thing I don't really like about GoD is the fact that they're turning 34 classes into 8 and that we are losing our skills for generic ones otherwise I like everything else I read about it. :)
So, guys we can hear since 5 months, that mostly the Lineage II community nowhere don't like the upcoming changes what will appear when the Goddess of Destruction release. We have to fight for our requests, but we have to agree, that mostly this game is played in Asia, so we have to make compromises with their play style too and accept, that not every feature what we want able to develop. I read and heard under the last month many players comments and reaction from different regions, so I made a petition what is I think will be good for us, for the Asian players and the NCsoft can develop easy these features.
So if you like this petition, I make for it a Facebook group, open a topic for it on petitiononline.com and maybe on the Youtube too in video petition form.
I hope with this I can help for the NCsoft in the developing and I can support our interests too.
If you want to petition you might as well copy and paste ... its good practice ... because thats all you are going to get in response from NC ... just sayin ... truth hurts ...
hopefully Koreans and Russian will take care of the crying, because they certainly don't listen to us here
how in the heck will GOD help L2 ?
well right now the players in both servers are going down , in 3-4 months both servers will the have the number of players pre merge , and will continue to go down , BUT if NC do some good advertising for GoD update (wich i hope they do ) we may see the servers full again ,
and no matter how much you cry we gonna get GoD update , the only thing that matter for the developers is what the koreans think , since they have 30 servers full of ppl , and i am sure there will be a lot changes to GoD after it get on the PTS in korea and ppl test it , at the end we gonna get the GoD update that the koreans players like
well right now the players in both servers are going down , in 3-4 months both servers will the have the number of players pre merge , and will continue to go down , BUT if NC do some good advertising for GoD update (wich i hope they do ) we may see the servers full again ,
and no matter how much you cry we gonna get GoD update , the only thing that matter for the developers is what the koreans think , since they have 30 servers full of ppl , and i am sure there will be a lot changes to GoD after it get on the PTS in korea and ppl test it , at the end we gonna get the GoD update that the koreans players like
Seems, you still don't understand mostly the Korean players want same things as the NA/EU peoples. They want keep their own unique classes and skills and the currently Lineage 2 style. If these things at the end won't change the GoD than it will can successful everywhere and we can see maybe again heavy or full servers and maybe not only 2 servers.
But, everything will decide when the Korean live client will release after these just will be 1 question what update will release after the goddess of destruction, cuz if GoD will be fail they will have a last chance to fast solve its problem in a new update if this won't happen and GoD will fail. Bye Bye world wide Lineage 2 population:(
and what you dont seem to understand is that you may not be speaking for the majority of people playing this game. you have an opinion that differs from mine. you dont speak for me nor does this petition. I am content to wait for official notes to posted on what is actually happening. why are you so gung ** to condemn an update when you know so little about it?
Seems, you still don't understand mostly the Korean players want same things as the NA/EU peoples.
Developers do what the korean ppl want , so if korean players want the same as us why you cry ? What we know about the update is close to 0 , they change 80% of the game , you cant judje if GoD will be good or bad after watching 5 videos , and some general information .
Tbh there is always ppl crying a rivers befor new update when we know like 5 % of the changes , and after the update come they are like : oh thats cool , for example one bd was crying why they give defensive dance to BD's and not offensive like the sws song , and after the update he was like : oh man i love this defence dance .
The only thing which concerns me is reduction of classes however even this is yet to be fully uncovered.
All these petitions and threads just makes me laugh because it shows how little clue some of the people has there.
Well, yes it is true, that useless make petition before we don't know more about the GoD, but better if the peoples try make write down in a petition their request by this way help the development team's work and get higher chance to complete their requests in the game. As the another reaction what so many peoples make in Lineage 2 community at NA/EU/Russia, that they start make drama and QQ by this way just will harder work for the developers, some peoples will leave to game after the panic and fewer new players will come why the peoples panic all around the forums with their idiot ideas.
1. Classes of Lineage II:
- Keep the currently 36 different third classes and share between them the skills what are already developed. Or all the 36 classes let's get own unique 4th classes (36 4th classes) and share between them the skills what are already developed.
No need of the 36 classes maybe 8 are really played live if you take on account that most are same with just racial small differences.
2. Skill system:
- Don't remove the skills after level 85, be all currently skills are useful too on level 99 too.
- Don't remove from the game the skill enchant system, let the player overenchant their 2nd class skills from 30 to 45, their 3rd class skills from 15 to 30.
Remove the previous skills is a necessity to bring balance after make the change on the number of classes, keep the current settings will only keep the unbalance between classes taht currently exist in Lineage 2, the same can be applied to the enchanting system taht was exploited by the majority of the players of Lineage 2,
3. Party system:
- Keep the maximum 9 members in a party form.
- Expand the maximum number of party to 12, by this step more players will available to find party.
This was explained in otehr post of this forum, with the current party xp bonus the 7 people party shows to be better than the 9 people one. 12 people party won't bring anything better, once most partys don't get even 7 live players (boxes aren't live players).
4. Hunting Zones:
- Remake some hunting grounds for the players who are between level 1-70 and add new hunting zones the player who are between 85-99.
- The new or revamped raid bosses appear in opened instance zones.
- Add new, interesting and useful feature to lower level hunting grounds, what with the new player can enjoy the game much more.
Agree, but the new content is mostly for higher people and they changed the starting places, still we don't have much info to talk on this matter.
5. Leveling proccess:
- Don't decrease, the requisite XP of the levels between 1-85, but add much more useful quests between 1-80 what with the players can get easier new weapons, armors etc. (what are help for them in leveling proccess).
I still need to see what changed on the start of Lineage 2 before i can agree with that, if the good part is only after 85 we will get nothing if people need 6 months to get to teh good part.
6. Olympiad system:
- The minimum requirement of the Olympiad games keep the currently requirement (3rd class, level 76, Noblesse).
- In the Goddess of Destruction too, be available to every 36 different classes one-one own hero position.
I don't like the hero system, it's game breaking, someone that can kill anyone on 1x1, bad.
7. Items:
- The new weapons, armors, jewelries are able to craft, trade and drop too.
- Every new key materials and recipes are able to spoil too.
This ssytem needs a serious revision, craft system of Lineage 2 is broken for us, teh economy is ruleed by farmers and extremely inflated.
8. Graphic and game design:
- Keep the currently game design. If you plan to develop to the game the effect when the hit points appear on the damaged mobs, let us an option mode, what with we can turn in or turn off this effect. Don't force the player to play with a "World of Warcraft clone" or an "AION clone".
- Give new and nicer light, water and shadow effect.
- Solve the lagg problems (if it is neccesary with a new engine).
- Get the Lineage II DirectX 11 support.
Lineage 2 isn't an Aion clone, it's not a RvR game. Lineage 2 is a Unreal 2 made and it won't change the engine will have their update and won't ever be for directx 11, but what is contraditory is you ask for the engine change and don't whant the effects they use to make stuffs look nicer. Lag isn't caused by engine slowdowns are, yes they need to fix it on the current engine.
9. Movement system:
- Delete this new special jump from the Goddess of Destruction, it has very nice effect, but it hasn't part in the Lineage II.
Make the game looks more like it should is good, since it's nicely implemented.
10. Political system:
- Keep the currently form of clan politic system. Let every clans to make clan war against another clan(s) or make alliance with another clan(s).
- What we currently know about the siege system of the Goddess of Destruction we agree it.
- Keep the Territory War system in the game.
- Keep the currently free PVP and PK system.
- Add new and more features in the political and PVP system (example Headhunter system).
Yes for clan politic.
Yes for sieges.
TW i don't like but it's particular it's mostly a farm system.
Yes for free world pvp and pk (that is actually the core of Lineage 2).
Can be.
the petition in my opinion looks good
you forget to add
make Lineage run in windows/mac/linux with full support of ncsoft
make lineage work with windows first, then linux. (skip macs, they are useless unless you are a professional artist. and even then...)
-1 on the petition because the eengrish in it is terrible...
besides, i think a lot of the information were are getting is partial or just plain wrong. ive seen some things that havent been posted here, and it clears up a lot of the fears i had about this update.
Yes, it is nice petition. But I think here made so many petition, we or you have to find the way how we/you can send the petition to the NCKorea or Lineage 2 Team.
Still Important, that you have to say some fact why necessary, that your petition points will been accept and will been remake this in the game too.
Example:
"1. Classes of Lineage II:
- Keep the currently 36 different third classes and share between them the skills what are already developed. Or all the 36 classes let's get own unique 4th classes (36 4th classes) and share between them the skills what are already developed."
The class reduce system can decrease drastically the monthly incoming of Lineage 2, because the players who are world wide use in dual or trial box different buffers will stop paying their buffer accounts.
So If the NCKorea will can see this petition they will really thinking about this situation, because they will understand in the first month they will can loose many account what is currently payed and than need much more new players as they planned.
Celebrity anyway they can make the directx 11 to Lineage 2 if the blizzard could make it to WoW what has about 12 years old graphic engine, won't be problem make it to a 9 years old engine. Just may it is need longer time and don't want longer release time for this reason may they will add this feature later.
anyway how do you know, that this site show the original information? Is it official site or fansite or what type of site this? And how can show the players if it is show the original infos?
The class reduce system can decrease drastically the monthly incoming of Lineage 2, because the players who are world wide use in dual or trial box different buffers will stop paying their buffer accounts.
I suspect that in Korea, they don't have anywhere close the same percentage of players who box as we do here.
I suspect that in Korea, they don't have anywhere close the same percentage of players who box as we do here.
May they have fewer boxes, but they have too. As peoples has buffer boxes in every regions.
I support everything in the Goddess of Destruction except this class/skill/stat changes. I read yesterday some Korean comments about the classes and they are really angry to this.
Oh just lets happen something that this 4th class change never won't be installed to any Lineage 2 servers.