What do you think about it? I liked the various hair slots but IMO the item should have a flat 3 days duration (not random time). Most people got the 3 hour version which allowed to use the buff only once.
What do you think about it? I liked the various hair slots but IMO the item should have a flat 3 days duration (not random time). Most people got the 3 hour version which allowed to use the buff only once.
/agree Me and my 2 boxss all only got 3 hr ones so one use is pretty lame.
Yes Destructor , however ,you got lucky , the clovers gave out items that can last for 3 hours , 3 days , or 30 days , so people that got 3 hours items are not really happy now.
they should all be 30 day duration if any of them are, but srsly....
i rarely do real xp. maybe once a week and the rest of the time im questing or killing raids.
i look at my xp bar at the end of the week and wonder why i have so much useless xp.
on main i still have tons of cakes, all my cookies, and a bunch of vita pops.
i have 80+ alts that still have xp/sp chest and purple potions.
it so darn easy to xp i dont know why everyone is always worried about it.
i do agree this "event" was a waste of code though.
if i can do 40-77 in double xp weekend any new player should be able to get 80+ on main in a month.
if your a relaxed casual player then thats fine, but you shouldnt get to be max lvl w/o really playing.
its so easy to lvl toon now that about 50% of the players out there get to 83+ and still have no idea how to play the game. somthing is srsly wrong w/ that.
i mean really, how is it possible to be low lvl w/ the low xp needed per lvl now and all the vita BS they give ppl? you have to be actively trying to not lvl.
most of my toons lvl on accident just by accidentally forgeting to kick them from group while ooping. there is toons i only use for killing raid bosses and they still lvl up...
i see new players from time to time come into academy or know someone in RL and they are able to lvl w/ **** gear and newbie buffs and be S grade in a month.
yes its all to easy .. blablabla .. 1 - 80 in a weekend .. blabla .. 5mill vita pops left .. blabla ..
sure thing ..
stop abusing drugs ><
i cant hear that **** anymore, get real please...
btt:
this 3hr hat with 12hr reuse time ?! isnt a real event , was nice for the 20 min it lasted.
and its nice that my sell dorf got 30day hat .. i dont expected anything else :P
This springtime gift is not an "event." If it was an event, there would be NPCs for it, multiple rewards, and lots of instructions on how to play the event. This springtime gift is a small item insertion just like the Valentine's Day one was.
My wording was bad and it is not an event, ok. I still stand by my opinion that the gift should be 3 days instead of the Korean random. A useless gift is not much of a gift.
This springtime gift is not an "event." If it was an event, there would be NPCs for it, multiple rewards, and lots of instructions on how to play the event. This springtime gift is a small item insertion just like the Valentine's Day one was.
so when would it be next event? any eta?
next month?
well April fools maybe, but also L2 day...
the Anniversary of L2 release.
also...
my birthday.
which is pretty close to the L2 release...
i was turning 21... guess how old i'll be this year?
i'm sorry i don't always act my age, but why bother anyway?
Hmmm... I think there's something important going on next month, right? ;)
yaaaay , sace remembered it's my birthday in april :p oh wait , probably not. Anyhow , aprils fools , easter , ... should be fun.
Hatemonger , I'm amazed if you believe everyone grinds 0-80 in a month , has a lot of vit items left , .....
I just started a new account , new character , guess what , 0 vit items! These vit events are there to help the newer player reach higher levels fast so they can join in sieges , raids , ... Not to help players that already have 80+ alts. Also , new players that level a char for the first time do not have the resources to do that 40-77 in 1 weekend , i know , i tried when we had x2 xp weekends last year , i only got 55-65 ( still very very very fast imho ).
Question to hatemonger , how much do you have to play every week to not be a casual player?
Sace , please give all players the same gift next time , everyone should have equal chances at this game , it shouldnt be based on luck most of the time.
(ps, i havent opened my gift yet , i'll do that once i go grinding for a while.)
guys cmon, when u got the 30 day afro thingy its still 20 min vit replenishing buff that u can use every 12h, its not such a big thing. A casual player that plays 3-4h a day can only use it once, unless he wakes up in the middle of the night to use it again. More hardcore players who grind 6+h a day wont even notice, its like getting vita herb every 1.5h, and ppl who play periodically they dont care about that neither, most of the time they got full vit anyway.
I also like the chance factor, u got lucky - yay! if ur not so lucky -Buuuu! its fun, dont u see that ?
The only thing I dont like is that they made the stupid afro a 30 day item, the bamboo hat is soooo much cooler.
yaaaay , sace remembered it's my birthday in april :p oh wait , probably not. Anyhow , aprils fools , easter , ... should be fun.
Hatemonger , I'm amazed if you believe everyone grinds 0-80 in a month , has a lot of vit items left , .....
I just started a new account , new character , guess what , 0 vit items! These vit events are there to help the newer player reach higher levels fast so they can join in sieges , raids , ... Not to help players that already have 80+ alts. Also , new players that level a char for the first time do not have the resources to do that 40-77 in 1 weekend , i know , i tried when we had x2 xp weekends last year , i only got 55-65 ( still very very very fast imho ).
Question to hatemonger , how much do you have to play every week to not be a casual player?
Sace , please give all players the same gift next time , everyone should have equal chances at this game , it shouldnt be based on luck most of the time.
(ps, i havent opened my gift yet , i'll do that once i go grinding for a while.)
new accounts should not get to lvl to 85 quickly....
people should learn how to play the game instead of maxing out in a couple months and being utterly usless in game because they lvled to 80+ solo on non agro mob for 100,000,000 a kill.
lowering the needed xp for lvl along w/ vit and nevits doesnt make for quality new players... a game where it benefits you to think and learn what works instead of being handed free xp is what makes the kind of players this comunity needs.
i would consider casual players to be playing 2 or so hours a day. if your playing more than that doesnt mean your hardcore or anything, but if you play 3+ hours a day and have a hard time lvling up your doing somthing very wrong. also if your barely playing the game why should you get to be high lvl ? doesnt make sense to me.
I agree that people should not level to 85 quickly , however , they should be usefull much faster then 85.
What's the difference between killing non agro mobs x 1000000 , no thinking involved , just auto attack untill it dies? People that say you learn your class by grinding probably have no idea about their own class. What really makes new people learn their class is pvp imho where you actually need to have an extra edge over everyone else.
The point is not lvling fast or not...
The point is having fun!
Lvl till lvl 80+ is a pain in the *** because nothing u do is usefull...
U cant pvp, u dont win adena very well, all quests are useless...
So why the hell someone should spend more time grinding to lvl 80 if they are not having fun at all?
If you say:
"well u gonna take 10x more time to grind to lvl 80, but u gonna do funny stuff and be able to win some adena or be usefull somehow"
Ppl will say:
"cool! ok! no problem! i am having fun at this game as i grind my char"
but its not how it works now...
So let ppl get to lvl 80+ fast!
Its like this game starts at 78+ anyway!
the point is solo on easy mobs is crappy xp, so people must find ways to get good xp unless they want to spend forever lvling wich nobody really does.
if you just make those easy mobs give 20x the xp through vit/nevit/lower xp needed/ 2x xp weekes etc. a player wont ever have to learn group dynamics, proper buffs, how to effectivly heal, etc.
i do agree pvp does help to grow a knowledgable player, as does raiding, and high end pve.
but nobody that grind quick to 85 then jump into pvp is going to be good either. low lvl pvping helps lay the foundation, as you lvl you learn more usefull pvp skills you can add to the mix.
someone being handed fast easy xp w/o ever having to explore the game and how it works isnt going to learn max lvl pvp either. there are going to be lost and get killed non stop till they rmt for epic gear then find out they still have no idea how to play and quit....
if you make someone work for the lvls they may be usefull in pvp as well as be less likely to rage quit on a toon they had to work for.
The point is not lvling fast or not...
The point is having fun!
Lvl till lvl 80+ is a pain in the *** because nothing u do is usefull...
U cant pvp, u dont win adena very well, all quests are useless...
So why the hell someone should spend more time grinding to lvl 80 if they are not having fun at all?
If you say:
"well u gonna take 10x more time to grind to lvl 80, but u gonna do funny stuff and be able to win some adena or be usefull somehow"
Ppl will say:
"cool! ok! no problem! i am having fun at this game as i grind my char"
but its not how it works now...
So let ppl get to lvl 80+ fast!
Its like this game starts at 78+ anyway!
well said ..
there is still no reason to lvl slowly , even on subclass its more waste of time then being making "experience" or "money"...
with lvl 78 u still sukk with lvl 80 u still sukk .. and nobody wants u in party or raid .. thats the reality ...
better to let people pass that pain lvls quickly ;)
edit: and i played dorf for 5 years .. i know what pain is ><
the point is solo on easy mobs is crappy xp, so people must find ways to get good xp unless they want to spend forever lvling wich nobody really does.
if you just make those easy mobs give 20x the xp through vit/nevit/lower xp needed/ 2x xp weekes etc. a player wont ever have to learn group dynamics, proper buffs, how to effectivly heal, etc.
i do agree pvp does help to grow a knowledgable player, as does raiding, and high end pve.
but nobody that grind quick to 85 then jump into pvp is going to be good either. low lvl pvping helps lay the foundation, as you lvl you learn more usefull pvp skills you can add to the mix.
someone being handed fast easy xp w/o ever having to explore the game and how it works isnt going to learn max lvl pvp either. there are going to be lost and get killed non stop till they rmt for epic gear then find out they still have no idea how to play and quit....
if you make someone work for the lvls they may be usefull in pvp as well as be less likely to rage quit on a toon they had to work for.
People that single target after 76 are not going to level THAT quickly, even with all that stuff. It's good they have reduced the xp needed, game population changed and the xp curve needed to change with it. Teaching them down the road how to interact with a good party isn't that difficult so long as they have half a brain, and on the flip side I have met 5 year vets from the old school grind that are downies and still can't play right after all these years.
PS- I tend to agree with you about the pvp, but there really is none to be had at those levels. If you want fresh blood then you have to accept the devs making it easier for newbies to level.
Second as many mistaken actions of the NcSoft staff this was just another bad joke, i could easily divide the 3 possible gifts on a better way so they can understand how we feel.
1. 3 hour gifts = player really not happy about the usage of the so called Korean Random on a "gift". Use once disapear or like many did open need to logoff stuff disappear.
2. 3 days gift = player not happy, will maybe use it the 3 days with the incredible obligation of get a way to play on the next three days to at least say that he enjoyed something, and still the guy thinks it's a bad joke of the staff.
3. 30 days gift = happy player but why is everyone badmouthing the event i got the best one why would nc staff care about the unlucky one's. Unfortunally as we know Korean random never happens to be good for the majority only for a small really lucky amont of players.
i would consider casual players to be playing 2 or so hours a day. if your playing more than that doesnt mean your hardcore or anything, but if you play 3+ hours a day and have a hard time lvling up your doing somthing very wrong.
No, you can play 3 hrs a day and still have hard time leveling even not doing anything wrong. Not all have the right toon, the right gear, the right friends, the adena, the nevit's and the revitas. And most of the times it's not their fault. Though I agree that some ppl do not know how to level efficiently, there is not 3 hrs a day rule. It all depends to many factors. If you are talking about someones random first character 3 hrs a day will never get you to level 80 fast.
I am tired of that lvl 1 - lvl 80 in 1 month mentality. NO it can't be done by the MAJORITY of ppl. It's like saying to ppl why you have hard time getting 50K $ ? You can make 1 million $ in a month. It is not a fact, not everyone can make 1 milion $ / month. Though many ppl make 1 million $ per month thats not the general case.
YES, some ppl can do level 1 - 80 in a month but they are not the rule. They have the right class, uber gear, uber OOP support and when they reach 70+ they are power leveled from their uber friends in the best spot for their level. Owning Bug Spot at FOG pulling 4 - 6 rooms (or Green Spot or Tully's or Citadel or whatever, you name it) is not the general case / average player. And no, the casual player won't ever get that top pole / aoe groups, not even some decent ones.
To get some semi-decent xp (compared to solo) you must have a needed class, higher level friends that can have you in party and play much more than 2 hrs / day. And then again, if some spots are camped you still have to fall back to normal solo pve.
Casual player with 2 hrs a day won't make it to hit 80 fast. It will still take long time.
And no, faster XP is not the reason that you have clueless ppl at 82. Making needed XP more / less affects all the population. If it was twice as hard you would have the same clueless ppl at 80 instead of 82. If it was twice as fast you would have the same clueless ppl at 84 instead of 82.
99% of times they are the same ppl that got power leleved 1-80 in one month. Or some noob BD / SWS that just pressed F1 / F2 / F3 / F4 for countless hours in a FOG / GC Lower group.
Did the 2 billion of XP needed to get 79->80 made you wiser ? Can you please explain us how ? I feel that there were some "bonus" billions of XP that did not offer anything to me except grinding countless hours effectively converting me to a human bot.
Last time i checked 78 -> 80 i guess that 500 mil of XP should be fine to learn that you can
1) AOE at FOG or
2) AOE at P.I. Nest or
3) Solo at P.I. Plains
getting **** XP at least for a nuker or
4) get the uber powerleveling group (how ? why would anyone power level you ?), get many revita / nevit's (how ? if you are new to game) and leech for hours (how ? you are supposed to be casual 2 hrs / day player)
and get level 80 to one month.
So please all ppl with 84+ mains and 80+ alts, epics, uber gear, uber clans, camping spots 24hr / day, power leveling workshops etc etc, stop trying convincing ppl that level 80 comes in 1 month.
IT DOES NOT. Did you level your first toon to level 80 in one month ? Or you just don't count the time u spent on leveling OOP supports or time spent by your friends to level warlords ? Or you forget the countless hours spent farming / crafting / trading to get you the adena needed for gear ? Isn't that time also ? Or you forget to count the time other ppl spend to plv you ? Because if one month means you and 8 more ppl plv you then its not 1 month, its 9 months. Simple Math. You cannot ignore that facts.
Well, rephrase, some ppl did never bothered with all that, they don't ignore the facts, they just don't know ... A magic wand touched them and gave them high level OOP supports, hundreds of millions of adena, gear and power level groups with "casual" gaming 3 hr / day for a typical class ... No more time spent, just 3 hrs / day ..
Get real and try it. Try XP a lower level common class like a typical DD or mage and tell me when someone calls you to a party (to do what ? leech ?). It won't ever happen. For example, In case of a mage, you are doomed killing tens of thousands of mobs at FOD (if you are lucky and find vamp / tablet spot free) and then again hundrends of thousands of poor dinos at P.I. (inside Nest if you are lucky and find a small group or at plains if there are not dozens of ppl nuking at will at every direction). Or get into a lousy FOG mage group and pull 2 rooms (to get **** XP) if the enforcers let you because they usually believe that they MUST pull at least 6 rooms for their poler. By accident they are the same ppl that believe that anyone can do 1-80 in 1 week :P A dd situation a bit better at higher levels with easier to form GC groups but the general conclusion still applies
And b4 some1 rushes in with all that noob / you don't know how to level / blah blah
I did 70-73 in a weekend and 73 - 78 IN 12 HOURS on my bd sub but ITS NOT THE GENERAL CASE, special circumstances made it possible.
but nobody that grind quick to 85 then jump into pvp is going to be good either. low lvl pvping helps lay the foundation, as you lvl you learn more usefull pvp skills you can add to the mix.
what?!
low lvl pvp??
where?
who???
does that exist at all???
South gate Dion, cmon
But those days r gone :(
Anyway, even now it still exist :)
Last time i checked i just saw low lvl COV buffed ppl with ++ weapons or high lvl ppl around... :D
so.. no...
a starter player cant learn to pvp aganist full buffed ppl with +++weapons :P
they just learn "oh... i cant pvp till i am 83+"
;)
Last time i checked i just saw low lvl COV buffed ppl with ++ weapons or high lvl ppl around... :D
so.. no...
a starter player cant learn to pvp aganist full buffed ppl with +++weapons :P
they just learn "oh... i cant pvp till i am 83+"
;)
low lvl with cov xping in another spots and even locs, then starter player in common/shadow gear with newbe buffs. Sometimes thay can interfere, but not often. So even now, starter player can get awasome pvp with same geared dude somewhere in Windmill Hill ;) Not often tho, because not so much new players.
"oh... i cant pvp till i am 83+" its common phrase on pvp clan forums, when neitrals try to join.
I am almost 83 finally close to my full epics never been in a power clan and took me 7 years lol I say you can do 1 - 40 in a weekend even with no help. 40 - 61 maybe a week.
After 61 it will slow down maybe take you another month - 2 months to get to 75. After 75 comes making money game that slows normal people down.
What the hell good is it to be 85 with no gear? Sgrade is a lot cheaper to get but making the money for s80 takes a lot. So the 80+ money grind its what slows the normal person up.
I have new clannies who been leveling very quickly through to the low 60's. So if it takes you more then a month to get to agrade yes your doing something very wrong even a casual player should be 61+ in that time.
BTW Single targeting mobs for archers is the quickiest way to xp to 85 since plains of lizardman has been put in. I make 5 - 6% an hour at 82, I find it hard to get that grouping with anyone, if I group someone to powerlevel them i still make 3.5% - 4.5% an hour.
i can exp a toon 1-40 in 45min - 1hr and 40-61 en 6hrs.
im not going to tell how i lvl that fast but ill give u a hint: Transforms scrols
thanks destructor :D
Open an item to get a 3 hours item with a 20 minutes buff that has 12 hours re-use delay?
Waste of server code if you ask me.
The 3 hours was for RP purposes, and the 12 hour re-use made it a one time use item. If you got a 30 day version, hypothetically it could be a 60 use time.
i can exp a toon 1-40 in 45min - 1hr and 40-61 en 6hrs.
im not going to tell how i lvl that fast but ill give u a hint: Transforms scrols
thanks destructor :D
Correct way to state: I / someone can level from xx-yy in z hours.
Wrong way to state: Anyone can level from xx-yy in z hours
My objection had nothing to do with how fast leveling can be, but that it can't be done by all.
Also, many people, tend to time only their time on the character leveled fast and forget the time of other ppl with them, the time needed to level the buffers, the time needed to get the adena to spend on good gear.
In your case, you clearly state the scrolls. How much it took you to gather the adena to buy the transformation scrolls ? Could a new player afford it ?