I think is early to comment new classes since we are not 100% sure how it will work and what skills will each class have. A lil bit more info that should be announced at end of this month and we could comment this.
From what we know today , i'm missing the option : another game.
My Spectral dancer is not a cloth wearing magic using sissy :p
You'r missing the option-not play at all
since many of us wont play at all if we see our main class is turned into something else.
+1, you really should have added that in there as right now you're just being ignorant of the truth by being selective in only listening PRO GOD choices and thus ignoring the CON sentiment that exists.
+1, you really should have added that in there as right now you're just being ignorant of the truth by being selective in only listening PRO GOD choices and thus ignoring the CON sentiment that exists.
++1 cause my first impulse is to leave when GoD rolls in, but i'll give 1 month when it does
but highly expect to drop L2
From what we know today , i'm missing the option : another game.
My Spectral dancer is not a cloth wearing magic using sissy :p
i'm crossing my finger is vein.... but still doing it just out of hope of a miracle that ncsoft gets a clue and figures out what they are actually classing sws/bd..
Considering it's not a Enchanter according to themselves... but it is according to their subclass skill listing......
and then they further this by saying we are enchanters in awakening.....
Heres the issue...
DD/SWS as warriors/DDs
~>Throughout the Lineage 2 Guide it states it as assistant DD or warrior class...
~>All the class change quests and information refer to it as DD
~>Symbol used or "tag" referrs to assistant fighter class
~>Territory wars and other quests refer to it as a Warrior class
~>Dynasty Armor specifically states it as a warrior or BARD class
~>Cannot equip Dynasty Enchanter Class Armor...
DD/SWS as enchanter
~> Sub skill list says BD/SWS is enchanter.....
~> GoD update says we are officially turning into Enchanter (this should be made irrelevant)
Frankly i can't think of anything else that suggests that bd/sws is an enchanter....
Maybe do heard anything about, that how the Korean players accept the class reduce now after, that they know more informations about the new classes? They still angry for reduced system or like it? Because if they don't like it may we should try to make a petition against the class reduce system.
aka what's the reaction from the Korean player base and not the Dev teams commitment to GoD as is now due to their already spent budget funding..
in short did the Dev team manage to sell the GoD update on the class/party changes to their local customer base or is the Jury still out until they've had their PTS ?
just saying that regardless of how much development money they have spent if their own customers (korean player base) don't want it they will have no choice to go back to the drawing boards or lose face in their own country.
aka what's the reaction from the Korean player base and not the Dev teams commitment to GoD as is now due to their already spent budget funding..
in short did the Dev team manage to sell the GoD update on the class/party changes to their local customer base or is the Jury still out until they've had their PTS ?
just saying that regardless of how much development money they have spent if their own customers (korean player base) don't want it they will have no choice to go back to the drawing boards or lose face in their own country.
when i read the Korean players comments they wasn't so happy about the new classes. So I think a part of customers want these changes there another doesn't want. But it is sure they will take the GoD with these classes to PTS, but it will the question what will on the live version at the end.
when i read the Korean players comments they wasn't so happy about the new classes. So I think a part of customers want these changes there another doesn't want. But it is sure they will take the GoD with these classes to PTS, but it will the question what will on the live version at the end.
Its like us , some want these change and there another doesn't.
Personaly i want these change for the class balancing . I'm tired to here ppl sai " i got **** at this up date! " - " I got nerfed ! i can't win anymore ! " etc etc etc....
There the 8 class on 35 class very played, all other class only player enought courageous to play them play them but ppl said alway " this class sux go reroll! ".
Go in town and check, what you see alway ? Reponse : Doomcryer , Phoenix Knight, Adventurer, Storm Screamer , Sagittarius, ArcanaLord, EvaSaint , Doombringer.
Yes we love all our class but we must see the truth .
Look am Wind rider , i love my class , i love show how good my class is better then a Adv but the truth is there : Adv is more loved by lot of ppl " more hp , more skill etc etc etc ". its the same for all class . Alway one class is prefered cause they are " more powerfull ".
We all love our class but we must see the truth some of us feel forsake cause they alway over power the same race/class.
All will be ok with me , Adventurer are overpowered , kameal are overpowered , sag ,well not overpowered but they are mush more then other , pheonix knight are op too , storm screamer 2 shot every body when its not 1 shot, Arcana lord,well they don't gave theyr place but i dont think it's the best summoner, Eva saint are over powered too.
All same but with race skill ,well am angry and happy in same time hard to know until the pts is up . i can enjoy like hate so i juste wait
end game PW is very strong and I've known plenty so even at 85 there's really not 1 dagger class significantly better then the other.. Adventurer is just easier to lvl to 85..
also the race skills from a dagger point of view, elves rock imo :)
am not against everything GoD has to offer just that it needs still alot of tweaking before Go Live, it does has a lot of potential.
//Dagga where did u get this informations? And what server's classes are these? Anyway the total number of Daggers is 1101 and not 2001:D.
If it isn't official informations, I think it is useless.
Anyway the Enchanters don't need worry, that they won't find party.
Sounds like, that from GoD won't be enough a box buffer will need an active player or someone who can play very fast with 2 boxes too:)
So if Dagga says here on one of server are 2486 enchanter you have to take out from this number the 3rd class changed box BD, PP, SWS, DC. Than I think their number will much more balanced to the another classes.
Next of them same situation with the EE and SE at the Healer class.
And how many Fortune Seeker and Maestro only just alt character who nows can get easier the 3rd class. I think the 3rd classed Fortune Seeker's number who play this char as main char lower than the number of wind riders.
Dagga anyway I think this statistic dont shows the original class statistic. And as I wrote will useless this list cuz will be many changes.
Well these statistics show only three things:
1) There are lies, big lies and statistics.
2) In most cases the strongly underplayed class is by no means underpowered. Actually in many cases it is opposite: the most underplayed is the most needed one (see archers).
3) After class merge we will have big overflow of enchanters and many will quit game beeing unable to find parties.
Let's see:
In tanks TK is heavily underplayed. It is so, maybe because people think it's hardest to level. But also TK is very strong in oly (probably even the strongest tank) and in PVP/PVE it does his job. It's underplayed but not underpowered.
Warriors are relatively ballanced. Doombringer has only slight advantage even though this class was overpowered since few updates. DN is underplayed because it's mainly PVE char. But why get rid of this choose for players?
Daggers: On second place after TH there is fortune seeker even though this class was underpowered for many years. Does popularity of TH mean that other daggers are worse? For party it doesn't make difference if they get TH, AW or PW, so all 3 choices are equally good for a player.
Mage: Pretty much no significant differences. Only archmage is underplayed for several historical reasons. And soulhound fulfill other role than a typical nuker, so if there would be more of them, many wouldn't find parties.
Archers: best example. With proper gear, differences in their firepower are insignificant and MS has better triggers (especially if there is more than one archer in party).
There are 300 normal archers and 80 tricksters. For healthy server there should be average one trickster per 2 archers. So we miss 70 tricksters. Trickster underplayed means it's bad class? No, it means that many archer parties have problems with finding a trickster, and if you find one, he is a treasure. (Actually direct result of lack of tricksters is many archers cannot find party at all).
Enchanters: Doomcryers and SDs are overplayed - what that means? Per one SD there should be one SWM. Does lack of SWMs mean it is unnecesary class and should be removed?
Dominator is specific class for passionates, it's by no means underpowered, or unnecessary.
Healers: We have total 970 rechargers and 520 cardinals. That means in theory we lack 400 cardinals. Actually we see something else. Count of cardinals and eva's saints is almost equal which means each ES can find her cardi. SS was for many years underpowered and it can be seen. But also we can see that NC efforts to revive SS class did bring some efforts (even if there is not much place for new rechargers due to lack of cardinals).
Also we should consider, that if there is a ES or SS in party, there is not always need for a cardi, while opposite is not true.
So healer situation most properly reflect actual class ballance.
Doomcryer , Phoenix Knight, Adventurer, Storm Screamer , Sagittarius, ArcanaLord, EvaSaint , Doombringer
And what this list show us?
Does the fact that doomcryer is most played among enchanters give conclusion that SWS or BD lack something and should be changed into doomcryers?
Do other tanks have more problems with finding parties than a PK?
Does the fact that STS is easiest to level among nukers have anything to do with popularity of soul hounds?
Does popularity of saggis make them anything more than worthless if they cannot find tricksters for their parties? And will any sane archer party reject MS?
Does popularity of ES mean that cardi is "underpowered"?
And are you sure that doombringer fulfills the same role in party as destroyer and popularity of one have anything to do with popularity of other?
There the 8 class on 35 class very played, all other class only player enought courageous to play them play them but ppl said alway " this class sux go reroll! ".
This assumption is utterly wrong and shows that you don't have too good idea, how party in l2 works, how different classes support eachother, and why certain classes are more popular than others... or you don't leave city too often.
Go on, make a party that consist of Doomcryer , Phoenix Knight, Adventurer, Storm Screamer , Sagittarius, ArcanaLord, EvaSaint and Doombringer and see if you can kill anyone with such party.
Go in town and check, what you see alway ? Reponse : Doomcryer , Phoenix Knight, Adventurer, Storm Screamer , Sagittarius, ArcanaLord, EvaSaint , Doombringer.
Go in town and find me these live doomcryers if they are so popular.
Actually from your list only Eva's saint and saggitarius are in my constant party, and our setup works quite nice for all pve challenges and for pvp against comparable geared enemies.
Look am Wind rider , i love my class , i love show how good my class is better then a Adv but the truth is there : Adv is more loved by lot of ppl " more hp , more skill etc etc etc ". its the same for all class . Alway one class is prefered cause they are " more powerfull ".
Did you ever got rejected from party in favour of equally geared and leveled adventurer? And how does it concern you, that other players prefer to *play* adventurers?
We all love our class but we must see the truth some of us feel forsake cause they alway over power the same race/class.
That is true maybe for hierophant, phantom summoner, elemental summoner and maestro - 4 classes out of 35.
kameal are overpowered
And still underplayed, so?
sag ,well not overpowered but they are mush more then other
In which way, they can carry more CP pots?
, pheonix knight are op too
As much overpowered as TK and TK is underplayed.
storm screamer 2 shot every body when its not 1 shot
Like any other nuker. They are easiest to level, that's all and still does 280 stormscreamers vs 210 soultakers really back up your statement? Do you think, that soultaker can be replaced by stormscreamer for a raid? Do you think that party of 3 stormscreamers will be better than party of stormscreamer, mystic muse and soultaker?
Arcana lord,well they don't gave theyr place but i dont think it's the best summoner,
AL is the only summoner with clearly defined role. Elemental summoner compete with eva's saint and phantom summoner compete with meele damage dealers and cardinals. Both indeed fail, so here is work for NCsoft. But merging 3 summoners into one is dumbest way to solve the problem.
TK's lvl 83 party buff sucks in PvE.
And definitely level 83 pve buff is a reason why people don't play TKs.
Not any other nuker has Empowering Echo.
But every nuker can hit hard enough. And it's still not a reason to merge 3 nukers into one.
I think there's a quite significant amount of Cardis that would want to have Mass Vitalize.
For what? They want to go LOA without ee or se?
Anyway you didn't get my point. My point was, that cardi does not compete with ee for parties, so saying that one is overpowered in comparision to other doesn't make sense.