Ok so I know that gm's are usually not forthcoming about ingame drops. However the latest patchnotes clearly state that a Blessed Zaken Earing should be dropping from the high level zaken. However, it does not drop.
I assume that every day on both servers this boss is killed at least 50 times, and still not one earing has dropped since the last update.
Could you please have a look into this and fix it? It drops on both Korean and Russian servers, no reason why it shouldn't drop here.
Would it be possible to disclose the % chance of such a drop?
If it's somewhere near the "old" (meaning: before the introduction of common items into the game - I could count using one hand how many full drops I got grinding tens of thousands of mobs) full item drops from mobs, then we're doomed.
Would it be possible to disclose the % chance of such a drop?
If it's somewhere near the "old" (meaning: before the introduction of common items into the game - I could count using one hand how many full drops I got grinding tens of thousands of mobs) full item drops from mobs, then we're doomed.
It has been confirmed that the earring does drop. The drop rate is just very low.
I understand that cause of the low difficulty of zaken the chance of droping must be low but dont you think its kinda toooooo low?
Zaken dies more than 60 times per week per server and at least i dont know anyone that has gotten any zaken till now (i understand that this doesnt say that it hasnt drop).
Cant you tweak the droprates not much but making it about 1% would be nice and still much lower than other bosses like freya and tezza
Official not official, but the droops and droop rates are accurate. Got many things looking there and the rates written seemed to correspond with the droops rates we have.
It has been confirmed that the earring does drop. The drop rate is just very low.
as it stands..... there is only ONE confirmed Drop of the earing since it was brought it..
previous to that... there was only 2 CONFIRMED earing drops from the zaken be it low lvl or high.. SINCE it was turned into an instance...
The many THOUSANDS of times zaken has been done.... which i'm going to take a stab at it and say that between chronos and naia.... is done between 10-20 times PER day give or take... suggests that the drop % rate is totally rubbish... it's not even above 1%.. it's not even above 0.10% at the current rate..
There hasn't been an influx of epic jewels anywhere aside from frint and freya and AQ as far as i know for ages....
**** last i heard is that baium wasn't even dropping it at all really...
FIX the drop rate... it's totally unacceptably low...
IF your not going to at least increase it for the blessed..... at LEAST throw the orginal Zaken on it as a much higher drop rate chance (BUT ALLOW both to drop at the same time too, and MAKE SURE that one or the other dropping doesn't effect the other)
Also apparently the night version of zaken for lowbies isn't 100% either... according to one source that managed to scrounge up tons of subs and lowbies and alliance members just to get into the **** thing.... only to have it not drop anything much more useful then the daytime one...
numerous clans.... and even the ones fighting against the big boys.... there are TONS of players without an epic yet... because they still can't afford them.
the reason they have dropped significantly is because people can't seem to make any adena at all really anymore... the market is stacked full of frints and freyas... there are a few AQs floating around and usually a baium/anthy sitting in a sell shop for excessively huge amounts of adena still..
They aren't very affordable.. they are still way way out of reach....
I'm still rocking a oly jewel and moirai jewels... Considering i continue to place low in the oly i can't afford both still.. but at least i consistantly keep the oly earing without having it every other month due to lack of oly tokens...
Quit generalizing saying that "most people" actually refers to the general population... it's totally inaccurate.. and i still don't know all that many people that have more then 1 epic.... and fewer with 2.... 90% of those i do know that have them are either the AQ or Zaken OR frint.. otherwise it extremely rare that someone has a baium... anthy... or whatever...
(still rocken my less then 1mil Adena average)......
numerous clans.... and even the ones fighting against the big boys.... there are TONS of players without an epic yet... because they still can't afford them.
the reason they have dropped significantly is because people can't seem to make any adena at all really anymore... the market is stacked full of frints and freyas... there are a few AQs floating around and usually a baium/anthy sitting in a sell shop for excessively huge amounts of adena still..
They aren't very affordable.. they are still way way out of reach....
I'm still rocking a oly jewel and moirai jewels... Considering i continue to place low in the oly i can't afford both still.. but at least i consistantly keep the oly earing without having it every other month due to lack of oly tokens...
Quit generalizing saying that "most people" actually refers to the general population... it's totally inaccurate.. and i still don't know all that many people that have more then 1 epic.... and fewer with 2.... 90% of those i do know that have them are either the AQ or Zaken OR frint.. otherwise it extremely rare that someone has a baium... anthy... or whatever...
(still rocken my less then 1mil Adena average)......
why the hell everyone must afford epic? reason? if everyone can buy them why then they got called epic? epic must be rare!!!!!!! that is why they are epic!!1
why the hell everyone must afford epic? reason? if everyone can buy them why then they got called epic? epic must be rare!!!!!!! that is why they are epic!!1
First of all it's not epics, it's raid boss jewelery. Secondly to answer your question why? Well let me tell ya, that even with set which has resist stun as bonus it's not enough not be be perma stuned by archer who uses zaken + olympiad + tezza.
So in other words, if you wanna be competitive you need boss jewelery. Even PVE wise damage boost is tremendous compared to guys who dont have that.
Have you ever tried normal freya with single melee party? If you will go w/o QA/BAIUM or QA/Oly ring you can forget it, you won't succeed. Just give QA/Oly and it's much easier.
First of all it's not epics, it's raid boss jewelery. Secondly to answer your question why? Well let me tell ya, that even with set which has resist stun as bonus it's not enough not be be perma stuned by archer who uses zaken + olympiad + tezza.
So in other words, if you wanna be competitive you need boss jewelery. Even PVE wise damage boost is tremendous compared to guys who dont have that.
Have you ever tried normal freya with single melee party? If you will go w/o QA/BAIUM or QA/Oly ring you can forget it, you won't succeed. Just give QA/Oly and it's much easier.
as u say they make significant difference!!!! so every1 cant own them!!!!
if every has 5/5 epics 300 weapon, +6 rare set 3*120, +30/+15 what will make ppl diferent? NOTHING!!!!!!!!
although 90% of who has 5/5 ebayed them!!! u wanna be same with ebayer w/o spending money and w/o earning adena with pain in game? NO
u cry about stun... but how resist vortex + slug from mages? or steal divinity from SLH? or disarm from berz? or medusa from BD? or mana burn from EE/SE/PP/BP ???
Despite the fact that I enjoy Smittie vs JayZa fight.. back to topic.
Why you all so sure that everyone that does Zaken 83 honesty says "yes, we didn't get blessed zaken yet!".
Why a party from any clan that does Zaken everyday can't just get it, not shout about it on forums, give it to one of party members and that's all? :)
Not all read official boards, I would say that the majority of server population doesn't care about official boards at all. Some of them use goha, some use blah, some only stay on their clan's forum etc. Their opinion about off boards - there is only QQing over every little detail - and it kinda seems to be true to me.
As to Night Zaken. It's hard to make CC of 72 ppl on server where each account should be paid monthly fee for, but on Russian servers night Zaken is heavily farmed and many people have Zakens even if server was opened AFTER Zaken was turned into instance.
If you cannot post proof of your claim, I must assume you made it up.
So, as long as no GM would secretly tell you that according to their investigations the exact percentage is only 78.1667 (or 83.5, or 58.7868, or something else... though I bet even the GMs do not care about precise numbers), you are going to deny a commonly accepted fact?
So, as long as no GM would secretly tell you that according to their investigations the exact percentage is only 78.1667 (or 83.5, or 58.7868, or something else... though I bet even the GMs do not care about precise numbers), you are going to deny a commonly accepted fact?
It's going to get denied because a lot of people on this forum use the ambiguous term 'most' too frequently.
I have to agree with JayZa that epics/RB Jewels whatever are not made for every1. They still should be only for a few that work hard for.
But i have to disagree that mostly ebayers get that kind of stuff. A lot of ppl are able to farm it with Clan/Ally or just do the market thing.
I would call me kinda well geared 4/5 epics, OE Vesper and nice Armor.
All obtained from the market where i worked hard for.
Ppl are just too lazy to do the market thing. I spend often 1-2++ hours checking giran/aden, crafting stuff etc. I have always 1 shop while i xp on my 2nd acc. And over night/work i make 3 shops with buy/sell.
Why should some1 earn the same with lesser work?
If you want almost 100% drop - do the night zaken thing.
You need 72 chars, it can be only 36 people with 2 accounts each (many ppl in this game have 2+ accounts). Only half of CC should be around 60lvl to kill zaken, the rest can be high level. You need to enter with whole CC and then high levels soe and wait in harbor to give additional support, buff, mana, etc.
So, regular or not regular CC for Frint/Freya is 3 parties +1 for Frint (maybe). 3 parties = 27 people.
On RU server usually 2 constant CCs unite their power and farm night zaken together. One time first CC farms, second supports. Another time second CC farms - another supports.
It's not hard, but ofc it's harder then sit here on forum and QQ about drop chance rate of day zaken.
So, as long as no GM would secretly tell you that according to their investigations the exact percentage is only 78.1667 (or 83.5, or 58.7868, or something else... though I bet even the GMs do not care about precise numbers), you are going to deny a commonly accepted fact?
How can it be a fact without proof?
Are you saying you wanna post the proof then aconyte? I know you speak russian. Can you find me a link from goha forums then?
If such a high percentage of ppl ebayed, wouldnt servers be alot more empty then, because of RMT bans?
And was I a lucky one then, to be able to have 4/5 without having ever ebayed?
I'd be more willing to say that ppl that have 5/5 have been playing this game for atleast 5 years, and been in a top clan for atleast 2.
That's closer to the truth than Jayza's statement, but it's still only a guess.
I think we will try to run a couple of raids in our alliance to check if the results are worth the hassle involved (72 accounts, half of them are lvl 62 nukers, cordinated to start at ingame "night", which by itself is hard to plan in advance). But it's definitely not an option for "everyone".
anyone that would claim i haven't worked hard for at the very least... a zaken earing ... is a total idiot...
I've been part of the first zaken raids before it dropped an earing.. i've been part of it through the period it did drop well before instance.... over the years... any chance i got..
I've assisted in killing the farmers that were farming it and trying to set it to a spawn time that made it difficult for myself and others to manage to get it first..
When the instance arrived.. i was one of the first people to setup groups and farm it.. and farm it consistantly when possible...
I've been thoroughly interested and invested in doing what i can do farm it since the lvl 83 zaken arrived as well..
I've attempted to setup the night-time mode zaken as well.. but the fact that on chronos... no one at all seems to want to do it or work together to do it or even preticipate isn't at all my own fault......
The only epic i'm currently trying to get as a priority is the zaken earing.. and i've worked **** hard for it..
but as of yet.... still cannot afford it.... and i've never been lucky enough to get the drop let alone SEE it drop after it was instanced.....
I would say i've been through the zaken instance as many as 750 times myself.. (using more then 2 toons)
I agree that getting a drop should have some level of difficulty and shouldn't be 100%... but all in the same.. there SHOULD be at least a variable chance it should drop within 750 instances done.... at the very least there should be 7 or 8 drops out of all those times done... but none... ZERO zip....
I also find it funny that someone that says they have vesper armor/weapons and a few epics is just mediocre "geared".... when in terms of an overall server wide comparison would put you in the top say 50.....
I play the market hard... when i can.....
To say that someone does more work in 2 hours every day.... vs someone that spends 1 hour less.... is a total joke.... granted your window of oppertunity is much higher.. the work involved is typically much less due to this..
I personally cannot invest that time.... when i log in.... i'm busy doing something.... i'm not going to walk away from having the class that is required in most everything just to go shopping and have a extremely low chance of making a few mil IF that.... based on a gambling system with no guarantee of return.. specially in the todays market which just keeps tumbling down and down...
And lastly... Shaile hit it point blank on the spot....
If everyone managed to finally have an even footing by having similare gear and levels.... People would actually have a reasonable chance of basing a win more on skill then anything... and even then.. due to ncsofts randomization... it's still a gambling on whom would actually win. Everyone loves the Magic Criticals on the first hit.......
For people that they claim they made 4/5 and s84 gear by doing market 1-2h per day and leaving a sell shop,i simply say ........unless this happened during the gold ages of ebay when ebayers were buying anything +++ from market and the player didnt do anything with his main(no craft,no+++gear/skills/augm/pvp)but raising adena and waiting for the moment epics price will go low to buy them.Still,telling players they need to be town shops for some years before they are able to play the game,doesnt sound realistic.
For blessed zaken,if any party from any clan got it so far they would have proudly announce it to someone!Only 2 servers left and any clan has players that have friends in other clans too,spreading the news doesnt take time.If a botparty was lucky to get it,they would put it in shop,so we would still know about it.Chances in raids epics drops are too low and i dont agree that they should be so low because of the instance issue.Before instance,we had 100%drop,that means EVERY time clan was raiding,epic would drop and this was happening for years.If it was n't oly neck/ring,new players wouldnt have a chance to get a frintezza neck with those rates!But seen new item in game blessed zaken ear with higher stats not getting dropped,then why there is in game at all?
Judas... 750 times to kill zaken... Let's say Zaken killing takes about 30 min. It means you spent 375 hours killing it.
Average person farming flagpole in fort can get now 1600 KE per hour. Naia price for KE now is 8k.
I say NOW, but there were times when KE cost much more.
So, 1600KE*385 hours = 600 000 KE.
600 000KE * 8 000 adena = 4 800 000 000 adena. It is price of Antharas now on Naia. Or you can buy Zaken, Baium, AQ, Frintezza and you will still have some money.
This is how me and many others got their 4/5.
I don't say that you didn't work hard, but you probably worked in the wrong direction. It is farm game, to get good items you have to farm.
ive seen ppl get the zaken earring from the lowbie regular zaken, yes the probability is low but is there. If you introduce singular almost unique items into a game, why would you make the drop rate even 1%, there are clans that do more than 15 zaken instances per week, so they should be rewarded for having more ppl or alts?, i much rather see a random pick up party get it.
Make the drop rate 1% and large clans will dominate the market with that drop for months until is common and then someone will start a thread about omg blessed zaken is so expensive, this is so unfair.
I got several sets of epics and ive never been in a major clan, i just know how to play the game and make the most of the things that sell well in the market.
I have friends who farm forts when they want an epic, 1-2 times a day, for as long as it takes to get the epic then they move to the next epic and now they have 4/5 or 5/5, that doesnt make them bots or ebayer, just makes them determined.
Just because you cant afford something and you fail at making adena doesnt mean 90% of the people who have certain items are ebayers.
And was I a lucky one then, to be able to have 4/5 without having ever ebayed?
Let's check... you play the game since its beginning, you have 6 accounts, your ingame economic knowledge is pretty decent, you spend a lot of your time in the game... and you still don't have an Antharas earring. Is it correct? ;)
At the same time, almost every goha forum warrior kid seems to have one :rolleyes:
Let's check... you play the game since its beginning, you have 6 accounts, your ingame economic knowledge is pretty decent, you spend a lot of your time in the game... and you still don't have an Antharas earring. Is it correct? ;)
At the same time, almost every goha forum warrior kid seems to have one :rolleyes:
True, I dont have an antharas. Yet.
And given the changes to the game I don't know if I'll ever need one.
True, I dont have an antharas. Yet.
Then how would you serve as an example of those 5/5 owners?
How many epics have you collected so far Krissa?
Not 5/5 too. Which is exactly my point (but in milder form; I haven't started playing in 2004, I don't have 6 accounts, and I'm not that active ingame).
Then how would you serve as an example of those 5/5 owners?
I wouldnt serve as an example for 5/5, but rather 4/5, simple math Krissa, try to keep up.
Not 5/5 too. Which is exactly my point (but in milder form; I haven't started playing in 2004, I don't have 6 accounts, and I'm not that active ingame).
So I'll just guess you have no epics then. Since you clearly dont wanna reveal a number, which is fine.
Reason I responded was that some ppl accuse anyone with better gear than them to be an ebayer or a botter, or even both.
Their shortcomings somehow gets to reflect on those that actually DO know what they are doing, and have gotten stuff done.
You arent gonna make me have to repeat anything for you I hope. Lately ppl have been having trouble grasping simple concepts on this forum, and I'm running out of ideas.
I have friends who farm forts when they want an epic, 1-2 times a day, for as long as it takes to get the epic then they move to the next epic and now they have 4/5 or 5/5, that doesnt make them bots or ebayer, just makes them determined.
Just because you cant afford something and you fail at making adena doesnt mean 90% of the people who have certain items are ebayers.
Again the farm fortress 1 and only solution for gear in L2!
Common guys,ive done fortress also 3 times per day last 1-2 years.You cant solo do all fort for maximum badges unless you run multiple clients from multiple computers,have the right classes/geared and lvls or simply run bottrain.You share all of the times not only the ke with someone else in your party but you share also the fortress with at least 1 more group of players(or more).That's why calculations like 8576834734621X8000=4/5 dont work.You do make some money,you may buy 1 epic like aq and make 1 weapon 300 and thats all.Unless you were a non factor for years that wont xp,wont pvp,wont oe skills,wont oe armor,wont element armor,wont go for augm,wont make higher weapon,wont wont wont...............
The reason there were zakens in market was because chinesse(propably)farmers were doing the raid for years and were selling all earrings and most of players were ebaying to buy it(or could find easy customers to buy anything they had in shop).Why is it so hard to admit how our servers were fuctioning for years and take into consideration that with the new system <<ban botters, farmers,ebayers>> we need better drop rates since we are not playing like botters/farmers did?
Lvl 83 ST / SS 78 / BD 74 + GSAP potion. Mage/Archer captains ~40s to kill. Guard Captain ~2min. It was about ~4000 KE each run. Since it was just after freya I was selling those 16-18k each making ~60-70kk each run. Usually was making 150-250kk a day depending on how much forts I do. By November I was running with QA/Baium/Zaken and Tezza.
Judas... 750 times to kill zaken... Let's say Zaken killing takes about 30 min. It means you spent 375 hours killing it.
Average person farming flagpole in fort can get now 1600 KE per hour. Naia price for KE now is 8k.
I say NOW, but there were times when KE cost much more.
So, 1600KE*385 hours = 600 000 KE.
600 000KE * 8 000 adena = 4 800 000 000 adena. It is price of Antharas now on Naia. Or you can buy Zaken, Baium, AQ, Frintezza and you will still have some money.
This is how me and many others got their 4/5.
I don't say that you didn't work hard, but you probably worked in the wrong direction. It is farm game, to get good items you have to farm.
30 minutes... no..
although many times it's taken 30+ minutes...
Once again you avoided the whole point of the MMO... if i planned to sit there and manually farm KE's.... well great... but even farming KE's at a fort for an hour.. the best i've ever managed was about 200-300.... because i can't solo the bosses and never have been..
So **** or/and ****.... working hard involves not having the easy street to success via either boxed buffers or deciding what to do when you want to do it whenever you can... plus majority of the time that i played i didn't have the option to just sign a fort whenever... and making it through the doors alive is another matter..
you keep talking like everyone should have the best gear or the correct gear right from the word go..... wrong.... if your looking at it all from a high horse.. no wonder you haven't a freaking clue...
Once again you avoided the whole point of the MMO... if i planned to sit there and manually farm KE's.... well great... but even farming KE's at a fort for an hour.. the best i've ever managed was about 200-300.... because i can't solo the bosses and never have been..
So **** or/and ****.... working hard involves not having the easy street to success via either boxed buffers or deciding what to do when you want to do it whenever you can... plus majority of the time that i played i didn't have the option to just sign a fort whenever... and making it through the doors alive is another matter..
you keep talking like everyone should have the best gear or the correct gear right from the word go..... wrong.... if your looking at it all from a high horse.. no wonder you haven't a freaking clue...
Its alright, we get that you are lazy and stuck in your ways. Just do us a favor and avoid roping us all into your 'average generalization' on what people are/are not capable of obtaining with just a moderate amount of effort.
Judas, first of all I didn't mention any captains (on captains I'm doing much more and it's not for every farmer ofc, it requires at least buffer and maybe dances), I said flagpole.
Second, I just said that earning Zaken spending same time as you spent on it is totally doable.
I don't say everyone should do it, I don't consider it normal that everyone should have Zaken.
Epic jewelry is not what everyone should have.
I consider our conversation closed cause it makes no sense anymore :)
I wouldnt serve as an example for 5/5, but rather 4/5, simple math Krissa, try to keep up.
Who cares about 4/5? People were speaking about 5/5.
If you want simple math to keep up, there's simple math for you:
Frint - 200m or Freya - 300mil
AQ - 400mil
Zaken - 500mil
Baium - 800mil
=== Total - 2bil
See? That jewel you miss to claim 5/5 status... alone costs two times more than the ones you have collected during 6+ years of your game play combined.
So I'll just guess you have no epics then. Since you clearly dont wanna reveal a number, which is fine.
You can guess whatever you want, your guesses about me never were right, this case is no exception. But it's fine, we aren't speaking about me, we are speaking about 5/5.
Reason I responded was that some ppl accuse anyone with better gear than them to be an ebayer or a botter, or even both.
It's your problem then. You responded to a post without actually reading it, thinking about something else, and missed the obvious cultural reference (about 90%). Typical for you, though.
Who cares about 4/5? People were speaking about 5/5.
If you want simple math to keep up, there's simple math for you:
Frint - 200m or Freya - 300mil
AQ - 400mil
Zaken - 500mil
Baium - 800mil
=== Total - 2bil
See? That jewel you miss to claim 5/5 status... alone costs two times more than the ones you have collected during 6+ years of your game play combined.
You can guess whatever you want, your guesses about me never were right, this case is no exception. But it's fine, we aren't speaking about me, we are speaking about 5/5.
It's your problem then. You responded to a post without actually reading it, thinking about something else, and missed the obvious cultural reference (about 90%). Typical for you, though.
Wow, Krissa, how badly did I step on your nerves recently?
Some guy was actually calling ppl ebayers if they had just any epics at all. I felt the need to respond since I dont ebay and I have 4/5 epics.
I think everyone knows Antharas is the really expensive one, and yes, I know it costs as much as almost all the ones I have prior (especially since the others have also gotten cheaper, and Antharas is only farmable by one clan atm).
I do read posts before I respond to them. I might not always respond with that you want me to respond with though. And I know I'm not always nice and cuddly, and that I have a fondness for pointing out when ppl's logic is faulty, or when ppl are using double standards.
But you have recently started attempting to make me seem even worse than I am, your reasons for this is unknown to me, but I would appreciate if you dont outright lie about me.
Responding to a thread without reading it is not typical of me, Krissa. So lets not try to make it seem like it is.
You not wanting to disclose how many, if any, epics you have, does make one think you have less than I do though. But we will never know.
At least I've told you how many I have, right? So you can attempt to make fun of how "little I have" in the grand scheme of things. I understand if you dont wanna tell me how many you have. I wonder if everyone reading this can put it together though.
ermm this post is not about 5/5 is about blesed zaken drop rate, drastically digresed to massive crying about how hard the game is.
Smilttie is not posting about blessed zaken drop rate either. Instead, he decided to quote a post on "90% of X is ****" so that he would have an excuse to speak with the voices in his head.
Wow, Krissa, how badly did I step on your nerves recently?
Not at all. But the quality of your arguments has fallen rapidly since, say, a year ago, and I find it disturbing :(
Some guy was actually calling ppl ebayers if they had just any epics at all. I felt the need to respond since I dont ebay and I have 4/5 epics.
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I do read posts before I respond to them.
Some guy might be "calling ppl ebayers if they had just any epics at all", but... it have not happened in this thread. Unless that post was removed before I could read it.
I do read posts before I respond to them. I might not always respond with that you want me to respond with though. And I know I'm not always nice and cuddly, and that I have a fondness for pointing out when ppl's logic is faulty, or when ppl are using double standards.
But you have recently started attempting to make me seem even worse than I am, your reasons for this is unknown to me, but I would appreciate if you dont outright lie about me.
Unfortunately, it's the other way around. I don't care about my oppenents cuteness or whatever, but you recently started to blame others for your own faulty logic, to blame aggressively and unprovokedly. Which I consider a degradation of an otherwise mostly fine forum warrior. I don't know if it's correctable, I hope it is, and I'd like to see it corrected.
You not wanting to disclose how many, if any, epics you have, does make one think you have less than I do though. But we will never know.
If it makes you happy, I can confirm that I have less epics than you do. And I still don't have my Valakas. Not that I couldn't buy it with the cash I have, but I think it's still a bit overpriced.
At least I've told you how many I have, right? So you can attempt to make fun of how "little I have" in the grand scheme of things.
Making fun of you is not in the list of my intentions. I'm just pointing out that if we take you as an example of a hard and smart working legit, it will show us how little such legit has in the grand scheme of things.
The part where you use someone else moving off topic as an excuse to move off topic as well.
I think if posting a drop % list would reduce overall server frustration in relation to the drop rate of certain items it should be done, it really costs no effort to post something that should already exists.
Its alright, we get that you are lazy and stuck in your ways. Just do us a favor and avoid roping us all into your 'average generalization' on what people are/are not capable of obtaining with just a moderate amount of effort.
no.. it's not lazy.. and it's not being stuck in ways..
if you have 1 adena... and you want/need something or a few items lets say 1 adena for one item.. and 1 adena for epic, and 1 adena for armor and 1 adena for weapon...
You only have one option.... pick the best one... and use that item to get to the next.... in a prioritized and reasonable and logical fashion...
what's the point in purchasing the epic if all you do is stand in town and muddle about.. yay.. i got an epic i can't use.
Lazy involves doing utterly nothing...
work involves doing actually something and as productive as possible with what tools you have and what options you can either make or attempt to make.... exhausting every effort available.
I cannot afford an epic in a logical sense if i do not have the necessary gear to make it useful, in another sense.... there is no point in purchasing that 600mil epic jewel if i don't have a weapon or armor to survive long enough to even make it worthwhile. It's call priorities, and while having an epic is a high proprity... it's also a sense of logic that is required.
Plus what logic does that make anyways..... purchasing something that MANY of which never had to purchase in the first place due to their gross drop rates previous to the nerfs... of which i was part of many of the drops.. and never ever saw a share in it once due to being told repeatedly that i wasn't the proper class or wouldn't make good use of it... whatever that's here nor there, the fact remains that My efforts went into actually obtaining the **** jewels the correct way.... not the "easy" way which is via purchasing it at rediculious prices that i currently cannot afford.
And i'm not a complete ******* unlike several people in this game whom have gotten their hands on epic jewels and walked away with them... and then SOME of those.. selling them for RMTs.....
Now i'm wide open to suggestions... but i'm at a loss of what about this flagpole? The only places i know where you get KE's is killing the various guards and captains and anything that moves in any way in the forts... plus doing the fort instances or castle instances... (all of the above which i cannot always do.... or rarely have the oppertunity to do)
I've never heard so much as a hint of anything about a flagpole.... be it TW/Castle Seige... as aside from the fort seiges.... those are the only times a flagpole is so much as mentioned ever...
Either way... there is utterly no sense in spending hours and hours if not years and years attempting to build up currency enough to purchase a single item that should be at least at some point in a reasonable time frame, earned through doing it myself with the help of the necessary people to do it. What's the point of having a zaken raid if in a year and a half that people think it's a myth that it ever drops what it should drop at all.
It makes perfectly logical sense of the earing to drop at a reasonable percentage rate.... and it's common knowledge that ncsofts calculated percent change rating is totally incorrect, therefore provided with a long term figure such as what we have here reguarding the lack of the drops from zaken that actually matter, it's quite obvious and reasonable to adjust it to have a marginally better drop rate.... I would even say that even if ncsoft x5 the current value of the drop rate.... the number of earing drops would still be super few and far between...
as u say they make significant difference!!!! so every1 cant own them!!!!
if every has 5/5 epics 300 weapon, +6 rare set 3*120, +30/+15 what will make ppl diferent? NOTHING!!!!!!!!
although 90% of who has 5/5 ebayed them!!! u wanna be same with ebayer w/o spending money and w/o earning adena with pain in game? NO
u cry about stun... but how resist vortex + slug from mages? or steal divinity from SLH? or disarm from berz? or medusa from BD? or mana burn from EE/SE/PP/BP ???
U have any source to the part I marked?
If not, that is just slander.
So either post proof or be quiet pls.
You are right Krissa, noone did say owners of epics are ebayers. Or did they?
I guess we could focus on the 5/5 part (which I think you might have actually already done, way to save time there!), but there was an actual accusation in there as well...
I wonder if anyone called him on it...oh I guess someone did.
I wonder if anyone is gonna call that guy out for not having the 5/5 but only the 4/5, making him theoretically not eligable to put up any arguments to the accusor. Oh ya, there she comes now. Please make way for the queen everyone.
Anyone wanna check if the original question in the thread title was answered prior to derail?
It has been confirmed that the earring does drop. The drop rate is just very low.
Oh snap, in the first reply to the op. And by an NCsoft official nonetheless.
Oh and I'm sure Judas had some good points in that wall of text up there, but I just got back from work, and can't really be bothered to look at that until someone has edited it to readable.
Way too much multidots and **** for late night reading.
On the plus side he knows what paragraphs are. Maybe in the morning then.
no.. it's not lazy.. and it's not being stuck in ways..
I cannot afford an epic in a logical sense if i do not have the necessary gear to make it useful, in another sense.... there is no point in purchasing that 600mil epic jewel if i don't have a weapon or armor to survive long enough to even make it worthwhile. It's call priorities, and while having an epic is a high proprity... it's also a sense of logic that is required.
Dont pay attention to any of the posts that claim ''i made 4/5 doing fortress for 1 year and i also made s84 gear and im pvping every night''.Many people in this forum write without the responsibility they should have for sharing valid informations.
I could write again a page of history about how game evolved in our servers as they fuctioned,but i would be out of topic.
Judas, sorry in the early morning I can't handle all wall of text but I can answer you for one your questions. Flagpole is the top of central building in the fort, where people cast flag. In the taken forts there are 8 archers and 8 melee guards. In free forts there are some strange mobs that don't really drop anything and rebel captain. So you would be interested only in taken forts.
And I agree to your point that epic has no use if char is naked or almost naked that is why I try to improve my equipment all together. Ofc I don't have vorpal +6 120x3 but I would call my equipment decent enough to be able to benefit from epics I have.
The part where you use someone else moving off topic as an excuse to move off topic as well.
Where was that "part"?
I think if posting a drop % list would reduce overall server frustration in relation to the drop rate of certain items it should be done, it really costs no effort to post something that should already exists.
I think it can be against NC Korea policy to post the exact numbers on drops.
one website puts it at 0.05%-0.1%. I don't know how accurate its sources are, though.
Who cares about 4/5? People were speaking about 5/5.
If you want simple math to keep up, there's simple math for you:
Frint - 200m or Freya - 300mil
AQ - 400mil
Zaken - 500mil
Baium - 800mil
=== Total - 2bil
See? That jewel you miss to claim 5/5 status... alone costs two times more than the ones you have collected during 6+ years of your game play combined.
I bought none of those jewels at thos prices. AQ 600, Frint 700 Baium 1.5b, Zaken I cant recall.
Earring of Antharas is something I will most likely never save up for. The effort it would take me to amass that amount of adena is not worth the effect I get out of it. I'm more than fine with my 4/5.
Bolded the part where you pretty much gave up on blessed zaken drop rate and started making this thread about the other issue (started by Jayza).
Judas, sorry in the early morning I can't handle all wall of text but I can answer you for one your questions. Flagpole is the top of central building in the fort, where people cast flag. In the taken forts there are 8 archers and 8 melee guards. In free forts there are some strange mobs that don't really drop anything and rebel captain. So you would be interested only in taken forts.
I'm familare with this area and have frequently farmed it as i usually do the circut of killing by doing the guards below that are in the doorway and the entire flag pole area at the top of the fort (i've just never heard of it being referred to this before so i wasn't completely sure).... however farming this all in an hour has netted me on average no more then 150-300 KE's at best... provided i don't get slaughtered by an opposing force that either is trying to take the fort... or is trying to defend it and dislikes farmers... OR i'm not competeing against others for it... But then again it's rare for me to be able to attend to any of these forts in the first place due to time contraints.
And I agree to your point that epic has no use if char is naked or almost naked that is why I try to improve my equipment all together. Ofc I don't have vorpal +6 120x3 but I would call my equipment decent enough to be able to benefit from epics I have.
I'm still working on assembling some of the required S grade gear as well as some weapons i still need to even be a "factor" in pvp... not to mention getting proper element resists and gear for s80 when i'm closing in on 84 very quickly now... which will leave me without options come s84 when i have to figure out how i'm going to gear myself for that again.... likely stick to moirai and my current duals and survive....
Personally i've never in my l2 life been as well geared as i am now for my class.... i was lvl 80 almost before i got out of my a grade gear........ ah yes.... that 6 month stretch when giran economy was booming and i was able to actually lvl a soul crystal for once.
Bolded the part where you pretty much gave up on blessed zaken drop rate
How would it be? How could you give up on something that you weren't doing before?
and started making this thread about the other issue (started by Jayza).
Helped you in making the thread..., you wanted to say?
Thanks for the help on derail, I guess...
You're welcome.
I'm familare with this area and have frequently farmed it as i usually do the circut of killing by doing the guards below that are in the doorway and the entire flag pole area at the top of the fort (i've just never heard of it being referred to this before so i wasn't completely sure).... however farming this all in an hour has netted me on average no more then 150-300 KE's at best... provided i don't get slaughtered by an opposing force that either is trying to take the fort... or is trying to defend it and dislikes farmers... OR i'm not competeing against others for it... But then again it's rare for me to be able to attend to any of these forts in the first place due to time contraints.
I'm still working on assembling some of the required S grade gear as well as some weapons i still need to even be a "factor" in pvp... not to mention getting proper element resists and gear for s80 when i'm closing in on 84 very quickly now... which will leave me without options come s84 when i have to figure out how i'm going to gear myself for that again.... likely stick to moirai and my current duals and survive....
Personally i've never in my l2 life been as well geared as i am now for my class.... i was lvl 80 almost before i got out of my a grade gear........ ah yes.... that 6 month stretch when giran economy was booming and i was able to actually lvl a soul crystal for once.
One guard in fort drops from 3 to 12 KE iirc. Respawn on flagpole is 3 min. You obviously had great drop penalty, to get drop without penalty you need to see guards white or at least green.
Don't know about equipment. I started on this server without any friends and I was usually equipping myself according to level without problems. Each two months we have events and I used to sell event items to earn money, was pretty enough to play without problems and buy almost anything I wanted.
I have also made millions from farmable events (event letters, tiger matriarchs etc). But some ppl feel they need to use up all their event items, and then come here and tell everyone how much bad luck they have in turning them in. And how it has always been like that.
And then the next event rolls around, and they repeat the same behavior.
Me, I gave up on good rewards and sell all of the event items. For the tiger event I was 3 boxing toons just shooting tigers to help others, and made tons of ele stones from it.
One guard in fort drops from 3 to 12 KE iirc. Respawn on flagpole is 3 min. You obviously had great drop penalty, to get drop without penalty you need to see guards white or at least green.
At the time i was using my subs to get KE's (they appear white... some gold)..... and personally they were RARELY dropping..... and i dont think i've ever seen more then 10 usually.. rare.. in a single drop.. aside from the main captains..
Don't know about equipment. I started on this server without any friends and I was usually equipping myself according to level without problems. Each two months we have events and I used to sell event items to earn money, was pretty enough to play without problems and buy almost anything I wanted.
Depending on the events.. most of which typically run weekends or favor those that play during the day (it's quite common knowledge to many people that have been playing for years to know that event drops fall appart come the evening/late evening and throughout the night until morning)
Now the last event with the treasure chests i was unable to preticipate due to RL reasons... at all.. i didn't manage to get a single treasure chest unfortunately...
This isn't a fault of my own or NCSOFTs.... it just happens.. luck is rarely EVER on my side in this game... and it's essentially that... no amount of real hard work in this game EVER guarantees it paying off.. period... ever..
I think the last event that i made any decent money off of was the Eva's rune event... as when it was on... i got lucky and managed to end up on a period in my life i had free time to burn and i sat down and burn my wrists and body up doing constant eva rune ****.... i think i made like a total of 200ish mil of that event and actually more because it took nearly 2 full years to go through all the 1 weight per Greater Healing Pots that i got from it (over 2500 of them)
That event alone geared me better for A grade (as my bd at the time was 65) which allowed me to lvl it.. as it had been retired for nearly 2+ years prior due to being unable to afford better gear that would allow me to enjoy playing....
Now i don't know when you started.. but frankly it WAS impossible.... to equip yourself to gear solo provided without events.. and even with some of the events we did have... it was still relatively difficult...
MANY people wouldn't be able to get into D gear until they were lvl 30 or higher.. i know some people personally that didn't get out of D gear completely until they were 52+ and which point they had managed to slip into C grade gear.
but then again i'm a vetran and we didn't have the better quests and shadow stuff that is available today.. nor common items.. nor the armor/weapons that are now available in giran...
I played at a time where going from lvl 1 to 20 for majority of people would take about 2 weeks of relatively comfortable steady grinding..... where you would need a small party to do anything at the lvl 15-20 range.. and a larger party to do lvl 20+ zones..
Where having any form of buffs was like getting the best thing ever in the game.. and seeing them disappear after 20 minutes was like being murdered... Now for the last number of years it's been smooth sailing with newbie buffs..
Actually one thing that drives me nuts today is the fact that i cannot get a graduation circlet.... at all.. period... because academies didn't excist then.. and before the update.... they did nothing but appear as another head ordament.... now they have a function and vetrans get the boot to the face for some odd reason... We cannot purchase from and wear them because we were never in the academy..
I've tried.. and i've been told in game by clannies that "you can wear it" but..... low and behold... i cannot... go figure lol...
Everyone revolves around right place.. right time.... and unfortunately... 99% of the time i rarely hit even one of those factors... and theres not much i can do about it short of killing my occupation and then turning into a deadbeat only to play the game for a short period of time before i'm dead or the funds run dry..
can't get them all.... and due to my occupation..... rarely get any.