All servers will be down for maintenance on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 5am PDT / 7am CDT / 8am EDT / 12pm UTC/GMT. Estimated downtime is approximately 5 hours.
With this maintenance:
Fixed an issue of a player not being able to move to another Olympiad field when watching an Olympiad match.
An inappropriate wall painting in Aden has been edited to be more acceptable.
Hardware maintenance, requiring the potential extra hour of this server maintenance.
All servers will be down for maintenance on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 5am PDT / 7am CDT / 8am EDT / 12pm UTC/GMT. Estimated downtime is approximately 5 hours.
With this maintenance:
Fixed an issue of a player not being able to move to another Olympiad field when watching an Olympiad match.
An inappropriate wall painting in Aden has been edited to be more acceptable.
Hardware maintenance, requiring the potential extra hour of this server maintenance.
Dev team needs to also remove the Dark Elf female jiggle if this is the sort of censorship we are to expect. Let's start the book burnings in Aden square!
So you will remove the boobs too from the walls inside the delusion chamber? Come on, don't censor art! Anyone who gets aroused from this wouldn't be playing this game anyway.
Painting? Seriously? Make your team do something with lags in GC or with impossible lags in Tiat instance, stop that .... there is no word to call it without getting *** :D
All the other problems have been solved. There are no cheaters in game, no lags (no wonder with ever increasing subscriptions and only 2 servers, we will need more servers soon), no crashes, responsive, knowledgeable and customer oriented GMs and support staff, nice community, etc.
So, all that was left to do was to edit some art and ban some troublemakers.
M
An inappropriate wall painting in Aden has been edited to be more acceptable.
Sace, can you tell us why this was decided now?
I mean the painting has been there for years and now it suddenly needs to be censored?
What's the reason for this sudden move?
Sace, can you tell us why this was decided now?
I mean the painting has been there for years and now it suddenly needs to be censored?
What's the reason for this sudden move?
Because it was brought to opened public by these board. So they have to act based on that by removing sexual explicit content.
Because it was brought to opened public by these board. So they have to act based on that by removing sexual explicit content.
Seriously, what about all the bouncing DE's? they've been open to the public way more times (no phun intended)
What i mean it's been appropriate since 2004, and now it's suddenly inappropriate?
Will all the kids that have been scarred for life by that picture before get compensation?
Perhaps they could dole out some more revita pops?
LET'S MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY WITH SOME MORE REVITAPOPS!
/sarcasm off
ugh no more revita pops lol, my wh is bulging from those...
Plz be serious, u really intend to censor a paint instead of fixing instances (Tiat, Crystal Caverns etc) or crash on soe GC or others?
It's for that we really pay for? I'm sorry for who was offended by a boob, but i'm very offended by the way this game is going, and not really the ingame stuff, but the people managering that!
<OT>:oh.. i'm really offended also for the waiting emote of nude dark elf ladies!:eek:
Do something plz!
Fixed an issue of a player not being able to move to another Olympiad field when watching an Olympiad match.
An inappropriate wall painting in Aden has been edited to be more acceptable.
Hardware maintenance, requiring the potential extra hour of this server maintenance.
It's it more important to fix the summon movement bug into instanced zones like Olympiad and Delusion Chamber then remove a painting from game that has been there for 7 years and only came to attention of NCWest a few weeks ago? Or maybe fix Tiat, Valakas and Beleth which are bugged aswell and way more important to server. Or at least fix something more important then scenery.
Also +1 for hardware maintenance! Server really needs some upgrade with all server-sided lags.
Well it's certainly easier to fix one texture in the files that checking the root causes of lags when fighting tiat...same applies to the "corrective maintenance" of DE.
seeing how much the Americans complains when ever a pair of breasts pops up on the TV and their children are watching it, doesn't surprise me that they are removing the one from the painting (you can see a dozen of those in art galleries that are open for everyone).
what is funny though is that they do allow their children to watch all the violence (murder, drugs, torture, fights, scenes with lots of blood etc etc) on TV, but breasts is a big no no...the poor children might be traumatized for the rest of their life if they see a naked body.
All the other problems have been solved. There are no cheaters in game, no lags (no wonder with ever increasing subscriptions and only 2 servers, we will need more servers soon), no crashes, responsive, knowledgeable and customer oriented GMs and support staff, nice community, etc.
So, all that was left to do was to edit some art and ban some troublemakers.
M
Really, I totally forgot that DE female...hm... let's say she looks a bit "adult" or "x-rated" for kids that may see it. Come on, look how she is running, she has 2 (TWO!!) boobs and they are bouncing against each other. On painting we see only one and it's static.
Look at some DE animations, she is not role-playing, she is inviting you to join her in bed or whatever you like.
Come on, you need to fix that ASAP! Long nun's dress and modest animations are a must!
The only bad thing with the wall painting is that shows only 1 boob and not both......
go go finish with maintenance people want to see boobs! I believe we all gona port and run to wall painting see what will be after rr.
lol
top of that who cares if u see 1 boob any dude who has been on the beach saw boobs
any dude who has internet saw 329023892492 pixel boobs
as if that painting makes a diff
Definition of PORNOGRAPHY
1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction
So I guess there is no harm for a young person 13+ to watch his character kill ugly monsters or other players, watch blood raining from the sky, but is greatly traumatised by looking at a depiction of a female human body (presented in a quite artistic way IMO). Right.
Personally I would prefer to devote time to change that image, turned for repair Tiat Instance. But it seems to me that there is an appropriate and responsible people.
I honestly do not see what the issue is, 17+ to play the game and if you don't know what art is, you should be ashamed of yourself.
As for the Dark elves, seriously if you want to change that you may as well change all the armor sets on all females to be full body coverage because all of them are built for easy access. Lets get rid of females period.
To a teenager raging on hormones there is nothing safe.
Oh yes and to end racism lets make all the characters Human, pasty white just like a mage.
Lets not forget to edit every name that remotely resembles sex, or anything remotely offensive.
All though I doubt it helps to complain here, this is a really silly thing to censor. How many people have actually sent petitetions about this in game?
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.
Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict. May contain bloodless dismemberment
Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials
Crude Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving vulgar antics, including “bathroom†humor
Simulated Gambling - Player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency
Strong Language - Explicit and/or frequent use of profanity
There are very specific things that cannot be in our game and that image was one of them. As the image was brought to our attention, it's something that we needed to address in order to remain compliant with our ESRB rating and descriptors. The Dark Elf movement is something the ESRB has reviewed and deemed within our rating and descriptors.
Any other bugs you know of, please send in a report if you haven't done so. All bug reports we receive are tested for verification and then submitted to the development team for review.
And they are still reviewing them six months later. As the posts above have noted there are several bugs that have yet to have been fixed. And just in my honest opinion I like boobies.
As the image was brought to our attention, it's something that we needed to address in order to remain compliant with our ESRB rating and descriptors.
-Moxie
You don't have to check with ESRB when you put it in the game in the first place? Since it has been in game for quite some time. In that case put a new painting in another town and wait a few years untill someone adresses it so you don't have to check with ESRB :D
So I guess there is no harm for a young person 13+ to watch his character kill ugly monsters or other players, watch blood raining from the sky, but is greatly traumatised by looking at a depiction of a female human body (presented in a quite artistic way IMO). Right.
Could not agree more. Not to mention, many 13 year olds have had their tase of pronographic images already. Did you take a look at MTV the last couple of years? Sex sells the songs there :s
There are very specific things that cannot be in our game and that image was one of them. As the image was brought to our attention, it's something that we needed to address in order to remain compliant with our ESRB rating and descriptors. The Dark Elf movement is something the ESRB has reviewed and deemed within our rating and descriptors.
Any other bugs you know of, please send in a report if you haven't done so. All bug reports we receive are tested for verification and then submitted to the development team for review.
-Moxie
Ha ha Moxie. You're funny to ask for other of this kind of 'bugs' I doubt if an other one is found it'll be ever mentioned on these forums :D
So I guess there is no harm for a young person 13+ to watch his character kill ugly monsters or other players, watch blood raining from the sky, but is greatly traumatised by looking at a depiction of a female human body (presented in a quite artistic way IMO). Right.
Heck.. it's simple.. in US you can see a 6+ Rating on a game with violence, murder, gun blazing etc... but if a game shows a shoulder bare naked it will get an M. I say.. people are overreacting..
Heck.. it's simple.. in US you can see a 6+ Rating on a game with violence, murder, gun blazing etc... but if a game shows a shoulder bare naked it will get an M. I say.. people are overreacting..
Seen that happen.. and will see it again.. :|
It's okay...all the elf's armor's were built for easy access.
Heck.. it's simple.. in US you can see a 6+ Rating on a game with violence, murder, gun blazing etc... but if a game shows a shoulder bare naked it will get an M. I say.. people are overreacting..
Seen that happen.. and will see it again.. :|
hey hey, not all us Americans are like that. I'm with u all on this one. LOL
All though I doubt it helps to complain here, this is a really silly thing to censor. How many people have actually sent petitetions about this in game?
Hmm, i just remembered. Some time ago i suggested few things that should be implemented. The answer was: "We can´t make such improvements until we discuss it with NCkorea, because we want the game to be same as it is on korea." or smth like that, don´t remember it really. So did you consulted this change with the developers fron NCKr?
the Kamael offends me. remove it. the entire race. do it, next maintenance.
Yes .. me too. Delete chickens from the game, now.
Servers are almost up. Also, good news, the constant downloading of Gameguard should have been fixed with this maintenance as well. :) You'll might see it once more when you update to today's maintenance, but after that you shouldn't see it anymore when you start up the launcher. If you do, let me know. :)
Servers are almost up. Also, good news, the constant downloading of Gameguard should have been fixed with this maintenance as well. :) You'll might see it once more when you update to today's maintenance, but after that you shouldn't see it anymore when you start up the launcher. If you do, let me know. :)
How about all the other bugs people have been complaining about for months? No Comment, I assume?
Yes .. me too. Delete chickens from the game, now.
Everytime I eat chicken now I have to think of poor and weak kamael chars being killed for that meat. I feel bad for them. :(
I hope the german politicians forbid going outside during summer weather for ppl under 18, I might see smth i see every day on the TV and all over the internet in ads.
How about all the other bugs people have been complaining about for months? No Comment, I assume?
When we receive fixes for bugs, we post about then in the maintenance notice. So for any bugs that haven't be mentioned yet and haven't been fixed yet, we don't have any public updates for them yet either. We're waiting for them, though.
There are very specific things that cannot be in our game and that image was one of them. As the image was brought to our attention, it's something that we needed to address in order to remain compliant with our ESRB rating and descriptors. The Dark Elf movement is something the ESRB has reviewed and deemed within our rating and descriptors.
Any other bugs you know of, please send in a report if you haven't done so. All bug reports we receive are tested for verification and then submitted to the development team for review.
-Moxie
i want brought to attention to replace the picture with
im realy disappointed about the belated and unnecessary censorship. I will write a ticket to ask for a euro-l2-client to overcome this us-cultural censor-bug ;)
im realy disappointed about the belated and unnecessary censorship. I will write a ticket to ask for a euro-l2-client to overcome this us-cultural censor-bug ;)
I agree.. in EU we're not offended by nakedness.. What will happen to the new US children?
After getting married virgin.. they will need to get an OD of Ritalin as soon as their wife removes her clothes?
When we receive fixes for bugs, we post about then in the maintenance notice. So for any bugs that haven't be mentioned yet and haven't been fixed yet, we don't have any public updates for them yet either. We're waiting for them, though.
There are very specific things that cannot be in our game and that image was one of them. As the image was brought to our attention, it's something that we needed to address in order to remain compliant with our ESRB rating and descriptors. The Dark Elf movement is something the ESRB has reviewed and deemed within our rating and descriptors.
The saner thing to do would be to just get the game re-rated as "M" (18+). This isn't a family-friendly game for kids anyway, and never was.
The saner thing to do would be to just get the game re-rated as "M" (18+). This isn't a family-friendly game for kids anyway, and never was.
I have to agree with this, let's start a movement to get more boobs in game and level up are ESRB-Mature.
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death
Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity
Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts
Strong Language - Explicit and/or frequent use of profanity
Does korea also have this picture censored?
All though I doubt it helps to complain here, this is a really silly thing to censor. How many people have actually sent petitetions about this in game?
no, Korea hasn't censored it.
I think they also still have the non-censored skin when you don't wear armor.
There are very specific things that cannot be in our game and that image was one of them. As the image was brought to our attention, it's something that we needed to address in order to remain compliant with our ESRB rating and descriptors. The Dark Elf movement is something the ESRB has reviewed and deemed within our rating and descriptors.
They should have censored it from the beginning then, not after 7 years, like they did with the no-armor(/naked) skin, giving it the lowest armor skin instead.
The saner thing to do would be to just get the game re-rated as "M" (18+). This isn't a family-friendly game for kids anyway, and never was.+1
I have to agree with this, let's start a movement to get more boobs in game and level up are ESRB.
lol gotta love your new sig :p
Moxie already explained about the ESRB rating and why the change was made. The change will not be reversed. Also, I'm afraid I have to remove any pictures of the old painting that are on these forums, as the forums represent our game as it is now, post-painting-change. :o
Also, I'm afraid I have to remove any pictures of the old painting that are on these forums, as the forums represent our game as it is now, post-painting-change. :o
Always looking for an excuse to edit my posts :mad: <3
Always looking for an excuse to edit my posts :mad: <3
She tends to do that...it would okay if she didn't edit so badly they turned into something completely different than the point that was trying to relayed...but whatever.
Probably since after every update random past bugs always come back. Case in point the Tiat bug and this nipple picture issue has been "corrected" before also. SMH...but whatever...thanks for the revision control South Korea...or is that just NCWest issue?
Moxie already explained about the ESRB rating and why the change was made. The change will not be reversed. Also, I'm afraid I have to remove any pictures of the old painting that are on these forums, as the forums represent our game as it is now, post-painting-change. :o
aww meanies </3
j/k just had to do that edit :D
I forgot about those days, when little female dwarfs ran around in pink and white lace underwear.
Screenshots or it didn't happen....
This? http://www.jack.dds.nl/l2/c1/nude.jpg
note to sace:
this pic was taken in 2004.
It shows the official korean texture for not having armor on, or atleast was back in the days,
if it still needs to be removed, then so be it...
Probably since after every update random past bugs always come back. Case in point the Tiat bug and this nipple picture issue has been "corrected" before also. SMH...but whatever...thanks for the revision control South Korea...or is that just NCWest issue?
Well Korea doesn't have ESRB or anything similar (i guess), so they're safe.
This? http://www.jack.dds.nl/l2/c1/nude.jpg
note to sace:
this pic was taken in 2004.
It shows the official korean texture for not having armor on, or atleast was back in the days,
if it still needs to be removed, then so be it...
Well Korea doesn't have ESRB or anything similar (i guess), so they're safe.
ahhh...as you said...ty for the panties...I solute you ...
the Kamael offends me. remove it. the entire race. do it, next maintenance.
This, and:
My religious beliefs are hurt by the character name BuddyJesus.
My religious beliefs are hurt by the Special Christmas Trees as they are a blatant representation of the Pyramid with the All-Seeing Eye.
My SE looks like a "dominator" when I take the robes off...
Moxie already explained about the ESRB rating and why the change was made. The change will not be reversed. Also, I'm afraid I have to remove any pictures of the old painting that are on these forums, as the forums represent our game as it is now, post-painting-change.
sry, bad argue-chain imo :( this was CENSORING!. EVERY censoring has to be discussed, all over the world. Its the destiny of censoring. Thats what forums are making for.
No excuse NCsoft, the argument: "calm down its a formality" dont work here :( some ppl regard the whole game as kind of art. And L2 is a great kind of 3D artistic content creation. Thats why its has so much suxcess (imo of cause) Try to bring the picture back pls. Plenty of ppl will be proud of ur efforts :)
sry, bad argue-chain imo :( this was CENSORING!. EVERY censoring has to be discussed, all over the world. Its the destiny of censoring. Thats what forums are making for.
No excuse NCsoft, the argument: "calm down its a formality" dont work here :( some ppl regard the whole game as kind of art. And L2 is a great kind of 3D artistic content creation. Thats why its has so much suxcess (imo of cause) Try to bring the picture back pls. Plenty of ppl will be proud of ur efforts :)
What gets me is they have been managing this game for over 7 years and they just now feel this boob had to be removed. Had to be a women complaining in some office... and we know she doesn't even play the game for her to just now realize this picture of Artemis is an issue to her.
For the record the ERSB advisory is a voluntary compliance system… and they didn’t have to do anything to the picture, they already got their rating for this game.
Some women in some areas and cultures object to breasts being regarded as sexual objects and approach the issue of exposure of breast in public as one of sexual equality. In the United States, the topfree equality movement seeks to redress this imbalance. This movement won a decision in 1992 in the New York State Court of Appeals—People v Santorelli, where the court ruled that the state's indecent exposure laws do not ban women from being bare breasted. A similar movement succeeded in most parts of Canada in the 1990s. In Australia and much of Europe it is acceptable for women and teenage girls to sunbathe topless on some public beaches and swimming pools, but these are generally the only public areas where exposing breasts is acceptable.
For the record the ERSB advisory is a voluntary compliance system… and they didn’t have to do anything to the picture, they already got their rating for this game.
i like this part of the statment. I realy want to know the background of this belated censoring now.
Maybe double moral about nude breasts change agian in US ?
like : omg, i see i breats first time after i stoped consume breatsmilk !
The saner thing to do would be to just get the game re-rated as "M" (18+). This isn't a family-friendly game for kids anyway, and never was.
Indeed. Our clan actively rejects kids as their playstyle is incompatible with clan objectives. One of the reasons the "community" is so bad is the presence of so many kids that are throwing out their boredom and anger against other players feeling that they have to prove something in a place where they are "equal" with their "oppressors".
This game is not for kids as it needs a lot of patience, a lot of discipline and a lot of community activities, while the western world kids are anything but patient, disciplined and teamworkers. It is me against the world approach that is driving things into the ground.
M
I was rather hoping you'd fix THIS guy while you were at it... because that torso of his just looks painfully WRONG. My back gives a twinge every time I see it.
Otherwise, I agree with everyone who said 'boob's been there for THIS LONG, why the hell didn't you try fix SOMETHING ELSE...'
Seriously? You'd have to remove every single instance of boob jiggle and the Kamael dance emotes to get rid of 'sexual themes.' Oh and the DE. And the Orc women. And the Human women. And the Elven women showing off their underwear every single chance they get. And make Dwarf males younger looking. And the panties the dwarf girls display when they're wearing Noble Vesper Armor and Moirai. And the whole Gran Kain has incestuous sex with Shilen, or him violating a queen which resulted in a Labyrinth dungeon for us in GoD.
IF you wanted to really remove sexual themes and content that is. The rest of us, however, being mature, sensible adults, know better than to demand that a game aimed at teen+ (or better yet, M rating) which is filled with violent and sexual themes... be made safe for children. Who see breasts on TV anyway.
By the way, Sace, here's a few bugs I know about: Crashing out when SOEing from Giant's cave. Crystal Caverns final room NPCs sometimes all being bugged. Pathing bugs all over the game. I'm sure there are plenty more out there, as the other people here have mentioned. :rolleyes:
Unfortunately, the painting fix and the reasons it was fixed are not up for debate. We can all either move on with our lives (we have appropriately mourned the loss of the magnificent art piece) or we can lock the thread.
Unfortunately, the painting fix and the reasons it was fixed are not up for debate. We can all either move on with our lives (we have appropriately mourned the loss of the magnificent art piece) or we can lock the thread.
-Moxie
i dont like the word "We" in that cheap stament. Can u exclude me pls, thx
Unfortunately, the painting fix and the reasons it was fixed are not up for debate. We can all either move on with our lives (we have appropriately mourned the loss of the magnificent art piece) or we can lock the thread.
-Moxie
Sorry, but this is stupid.
Any child of any age can go into an art gallery and see tons of statues and paintings of fully naked people. Should the art galleries start to ban people that are less than 16 years old from entering?
I see schools and kindergartens organize trips to the art galleries almost daily to learn art to the children. They give everyone paper and a pencil then tell them to find something that they like and try to draw it on the paper.
And come to think of it...I don't think I ever saw someone staring at that painting in game anyways.
It's a shame and those who felt entitled to "fix" this picture are the problem itself. That's puritan hypocrisis. We all know that Americans don't marry virgin and discover the body of a woman their first night after wedding. Yet everything is done to make believe.
Was this picture exciting for someone? You know what, the only people who are shocked about such pictures are the one yelling that someone might be offended. Nobody's offended ever, but someone takes the liberty to remove it because they decided it could be offensant.
Nothing to discuss? I guess it's too late, somebody will be too proud to confess they overreacted. Sorry for the hammering, but... take responsability for that unecessary decision.
BTW I'm offended by the class Dominator. It encourages sadistic sexual sinful intercourses. :rolleyes:
Any child of any age can go into an art gallery and see tons of statues and paintings of fully naked people. Should the art galleries start to ban people that are less than 16 years old from entering?
I see schools and kindergartens organize trips to the art galleries almost daily to learn art to the children. They give everyone paper and a pencil then tell them to find something that they like and try to draw it on the paper.
And come to think of it...I don't think I ever saw someone staring at that painting in game anyways.
Pssst.. don't say that out loud.. Vatican destroys priceless artwork just to cover g-o-n-a-d-s and breasts.
Imagine if "The Thinker" statue would visit the US.. it would most likely be censored with a Maple leaf... Vatican style.
All types of art oppression censorship are just... WRONG!
We in northern Portugal made acts of faith out of the Inquisition when they tried to destroy our art....Priests and censors were burned in Retaliation.. this is how censorship on artwork should be treated..
Unfortunately, the painting fix and the reasons it was fixed are not up for debate. We can all either move on with our lives (we have appropriately mourned the loss of the magnificent art piece) or we can lock the thread.