I came back to play Lineage 2. Picking up where I started. I love Lineage 2 classes I love the uniqueness of the combat system (though I hated the soulshot concept). But the classes are fun and I came back to experience that.
But now that GoD expansion is coming I read that they will add classic that look more like Aion's (a lot of action and trigger happy twitchy combat). What will happen to the current L2 classes? are they going to be obsolete? removed? changed? I want to play a Shilen Knight I always loved the Dark Elf tank concept even with its own weaknesses.
Also, when is the estimated time for GoD release? maybe if it's going to take awhile I can enjoy a few months of classic L2 experience for the last time.
It's true that some classes are pretty unique. However, most classes are not. Fundamentally, the 3 summoners play the same, the archers, daggers, nukers, buffers, tanks, melee.... The dwarves are obviously unique, overlords, BDs and SWS. But what about the rest?
I'd reserve judgement before throwing out terms like trigger happy twitchy combat.
As to your actual question, at 85 you can choose to awaken into one of the 8 new classes and then your stats will double and you'll become a far more powerful character. If you want to play your DE tank without awakening, I am pretty sure it's been established that you won't be competitive with any awakened chars or the awakened PvE content.
No release date for GoD but I anticipate that it will release for sure in 2011 and I get the impression that it will release sooner than expected.
It's true that some classes are pretty unique. However, most classes are not. Fundamentally, the 3 summoners play the same, the archers, daggers, nukers, buffers, tanks, melee.... The dwarves are obviously unique, overlords, BDs and SWS. But what about the rest?
/Disagree
Even with the after HB update bluring of classes,there 's uniqueness.
Necro has nothing to do with other nukers,his capabilitys and playstyle is a lot different.Game now is fulled with sts because its been advertised as the stronger nuker,but he is not.All nukers have unique powers for CERTAIN situations in solo and party.An old sps knows how to rip everyone when a player that simply lf the strongest nuker bypass him.
Buffers have lots of differences,healers too.People that originally created them,choosed them for their strong points(knowing they had also weak points) and focused on creating the proper playstyle.
On GOD things change a lot since you may change class(but which old player that kept his class besides the nerfs of so many updates wants to leave it?-this is option only for the new players that goes to 85 in 2 months with vitality pots without knowing what is this class they'r playing) but cant change race and race stats means class of a certain race gets big advantage comparing to same class of other race which seems to totaly unfair.
-Darkelf nuker selfbrez(!),when human nuker(including necro is without pet transferpain)
-Healer elf superior c.speed ,when elf has exactly same skills like human cardinal has and when the people that play ee never wanted to be main healers in party.
Just examples of 2 classes that from the begining of game were the most complete toons for their role,necro as a most difficult to kill nuker,the other as the main healer in game.
So,all we players loose our toons we were creating with so many efforts for years and all the years and hundreads of thousand of hours we've spend on lvling supports for our partys are wasted.
GOD seems to me a game for new players,that seek for something that looks like aion ,we should have option for another non-god server to keep our toons and play untill L2 is officiely shut down.
All nukers have unique powers for CERTAIN situations in solo and party.
You forgot to mention soulhounds.
They are so different from other mystic classes, yet NCsoft wants to turn them into "regular nukers", while giving their unique skills (such as warp/blink/buffsteal) to other nukers.
You forgot to mention soulhounds.
They are so different from other mystic classes, yet NCsoft wants to turn them into "regular nukers", while giving their unique skills (such as warp/blink/buffsteal) to other nukers.
What an exciting change!
Sure and list is not ending.
I only talked about the classes i have and play and know them very well,other players can write about their class.
GOD really cancels every devoted player's effort on raising a ''difficult'' or more ''demanding'' class all these years.There's no comparison of being a 85 domi or pp to 85 wc,yet all people that boxed a wc and did him 85 boxed will have same toon with the ones that tried to be a domi or a pp in game.This game had always a part of role-playing,even for the ones that didnt realise.It's like whole world getting destroyed and it surpises me that Nscoft does this without any thinking and questioning on players that ARE the ones that paid for her game and clearly they paid to play on L2 enviroment not in GOD.
-One other thing,the only reason that players left prive server to play in officiels was that they could not loose suddenly their toons because server closes.But we do loose our toons witH GOD update,arent we?We'r just offered another toon with same name to continue,but it will be a different toon in a different game.
So,i can predict that people wont have any reason to pay and play in officiel anymore.Or to any game by Nscoft -at least the ones that required time/money investiment-.
Stop QQ , Korean love more GoD then they Hate since that the PTS is on , all they'r " I don't want GoD " has much decrease.
It's just an effect of novelty: new skills, new areas, new classes.
The real question is, how soon will they get bored of it all?
On the other hand, the new level cap (99 instead of 85) alone is enough to keep korean players happy, since all that they ever wanted was endless grind, grind, grind...
I am very skeptical of god myself; I foresee it will create a huge inequality between the awakened and the not; I hear the nukers are very strong; imagine trying to defend at siege when every awakened nuker is the same as anakim is now? It will not be happy for the MANY players who are not yet 85. Koreans may like it but in NA, I still think there will be a lot of people quitting. Only people already 85 and well geared can look forward to this really. Well, there will still always be a niche for the pve ppl who are leveing up to 85 and who don't care about pvp. But overall I just see a huge gap looming between the haves and the have-nots.
@OP no, its not going to ruin L2. its just going to change L2. whether or not you feel your game is ruined or not will depend on how you infer those changes. if you arent 85 yet, the update isnt much going to change you. you may find it easier to level though, and might actually do a quest here and there for some exp rather than ding around killing mobs alone.
youre not going to be 99 a week after GoD goes live. certainly not. you arent going to be zerged by masses of players with nothing better to do while their subscription is waiting to cancel.
you alone can tell if the L2 you love is gone. i can honestly say i look forward to awakening and all kinds of wonderful changes in the new update. to me the game is going to breathe some fresh air.
-Healer elf superior c.speed ,when elf has exactly same skills like human cardinal has and when the people that play ee never wanted to be main healers in party.
My plan of action is to take again my sub MS as main, get it to 85 and awake as healer :P
But I wonder why NC had to give us so much trouble...
dunno if gonna ruin it or no but fact is that my half of clan quited already....Before GoD is ever here and they got a chance to try it? That's clever.
It's a very small sample, so there's no safe conclusion
I believe that many ppl react with excitment in something new, but for safe conclusions we'll have to wait some months after god goes live.
We'll have to see how will ppl react when they finally understand that their chars' unique playstyle is gone, when tons of enchanters and healers can't find party, when clans will lose many hero skills (omg 8 heroes??), when they realize the true idea of the new pvp system.
Of course there are upsides to this update, but personaly I am QQing about my stolen necro :eek: (wth no dark stance? why?:D)
It's a very small sample, so there's no safe conclusion
All polls are performed in small samples. It is called statistics.
If the people that want GoD will actually like is not certain. Same goes for the people that say they won't like it. But impressions are definitely pro than against.
All shall pass and we will fill these forums with fear and hate about whatever update follows GoD, and we shall attest how great GoD is and changing things now (when God is current version) will lead to the end of L2. This is history of the fanatical player that uses the forums to post their insecurities.
Most of these doom and gloom posts we read in our forums represent a manifestation of those player’s separation anxieties for the possible loss of a particular game playing style. GoD is not the end of the world, I mean Lineage 2, and we shall continue on this path we enjoy daily.
All shall pass and we will fill these forums with fear and hate about whatever update follows GoD, and we shall attest how great GoD is and changing things now (when God is current version) will lead to the end of L2. This is history of the fanatical player that uses the forums to post their insecurities.
Most of these doom and gloom posts we read in our forums represent a manifestation of those player’s separation anxieties for the possible loss of a particular game playing style. GoD is not the end of the world, I mean Lineage 2, and we shall continue on this path we enjoy daily.
Most of these doom and gloom posts we read in our forums represent a manifestation of those player’s separation anxieties for the possible loss of a particular game playing style.
Yes, I'm **** anxious that I will loose, my playstyle, for I have choosen L2, because it fits my playstyle!
stop qqing about god ruining L2 , everyone gets a free chance to the any of the New CLasses , so if for example , you played a DD for 5 years and now u wanna play healer or tank , u dont have to reroll , u can just awakening to one.
stop qqing about god ruining L2 , everyone gets a free chance to the any of the New CLasses , so if for example , you played a DD for 5 years and now u wanna play healer or tank , u dont have to reroll , u can just awakening to one.
i really luv this GoD update
That's not because you switch your class you know how to play it
It's a very small sample, so there's no safe conclusion
I believe that many ppl react with excitment in something new, but for safe conclusions we'll have to wait some months after god goes live.
We'll have to see how will ppl react when they finally understand that their chars' unique playstyle is gone, when tons of enchanters and healers can't find party, when clans will lose many hero skills (omg 8 heroes??), when they realize the true idea of the new pvp system.
Of course there are upsides to this update, but personaly I am QQing about my stolen necro :eek: (wth no dark stance? why?:D)
OK, so when the other poll had more players saying no to GoD, it was OK to QQ to the heavens saying people didnt want it, even tho it had the same (if not smaller) sample.
I think GoD will attract new players. We might even steal some players from other games.
True story ^^
Is it just me or i see a trend of old players returning after GoD announces ?
Man if NCSoft was willing to put some more money in advertisements and cinematic trailers (remember the c3,c4,c5 trailers) that would be so awesome ^^
PS: I'm not saying that GoD cinematic is bad ... BUT I WANT MOAR !!! :D
While the reduction to 8 classes is deseperately worrying, it breaks all the good old gamestyle, it will technically work. There's no need to test GoD to know it will work. Also it makes the game more... dull, but it's not enough to make me quit. I think it's really sad to come down to that and while I understand that some players don't care, I don't understand how someone can find it better, as in "it's an expansion, the games becomes better".
What's worrying me really more than the class reduction now I know I will have at least the skills I like (balance life, group heal, a sublime-like, mass cleanse...), that's the war system. That will be something to test, but it's not going to be like before. You can't have the old wars up (1 ally of 3 clans? only 2 wars left) so it'll fall down to red wars when outside of battlefield. That's something that makes the game a lot poorer.
All in all, the addition of problems make me very doubtful about this "expansion". I will try, but if it becomes an unidentifiable PvE game with occasional PvP inside precise areas, I'll quit.
I seriously can't understand all that crying about war system. I mean after GoD everything will be exactly the same, wars will not change at all. You will have 3 weeks normal war as it is now, than 1 week no war than again 3 weeks full war. OMG 1 week w/o war will not change much. You still will be able to fight even w/o war.
Also about 5 wars. Well admit which clans has more than 5 active wars? Do I hear some?
I seriously can't understand all that crying about war system.
14 more lvls mean anything to you?Add that toons that havent done 3 subs cant be awaking(like all boxes we use on xp) and you will see that a LOT of people wont be able make the new kind of awakened party for top areas and will stay xp and xp and xp in old areas.Since Nscwest bans bots,the only way is leave clan and xp untag....so,how you will find enemys?
The devs who though to add 14 lvls in 1 update were sooo clever........
14 more lvls mean anything to you?Add that toons that havent done 3 subs cant be awaking(like all boxes we use on xp) and you will see that a LOT of people wont be able make the new kind of awakened party for top areas and will stay xp and xp and xp in old areas.Since Nscwest bans bots,the only way is leave clan and xp untag....so,how you will find enemys?
The devs who though to add 14 lvls in 1 update were sooo clever........
14 more lvls mean anything to you?Add that toons that havent done 3 subs cant be awaking(like all boxes we use on xp) and you will see that a LOT of people wont be able make the new kind of awakened party for top areas and will stay xp and xp and xp in old areas.Since Nscwest bans bots,the only way is leave clan and xp untag....so,how you will find enemys?
The devs who though to add 14 lvls in 1 update were sooo clever........
You do realize that prelude - interlude updates were so great PvP wise because people never reached level cap? Yes PvP happened because people where out there exping! Most of my 7k pvp's are coming from PvPing enemies while they XP.
Why people now cry so much about lack of pvp? Yes because all of them are lvl 85 100% and rarely go exp or do not go at all. C3, C4 etc you could organize pvp party and you will find enemies in fields exping but since today everyone is maxed out you'll rarely see that.
Furthermore in previous years only few detaged to EXP, majority were still in clan exping together tagged. Why do you think suddenly all of this will change?
P.S. Looking at 86 > 90 curve it will take around ~2 weeks to hit lvl 90.
2 weeks to hit 90 ? lol not even I am that optimistic and I think xp will be easy yes.. try a Month maybe 6 weeks..
current end game pvp clans have way more then 5 active wars going on all the time, in some cases for years.. also with the changes to the karma system on top of it yeah right pvp will be awesome in GoD.. not, anyone who says it will be isn't tagged in an end game clan.
if it will be a game killer ? don't know but there are so many changes and the combination of them all together..
so many issues still to be fixed in so little time and I doubt NC Korea will listen to any of our concerns, hell the pvp/karma system change is one to make it more sportive like lol.. they have no clue about the western mindset when it's about war games.
Also about 5 wars. Well admit which clans has more than 5 active wars? Do I hear some?
The clan I'm in. The clans we're at war with. Active like... KoS and come back until one has to abandon the spot. And one-way wars active like... we go red if necessary.
A good number of players are very attached to that playstyle and wouldn't want L2 to turn into a FFXI-bis.
Think a little before saying it's ok : just warring X means 3 wars. Add one war for SH and then what you'll have to choose? inqui? SL? DH? Right? vesto? KJ? MK?
What will happen during that one week of cease fire? "Errr why isn't there a war icon on this guy? Oh yeah forgot that... forced peace" and we'll have to /forceskill and that's all. What a progress!
i'm not happy with the changes to the classes.
i like the classes the way they are.
although i do like the thought of adding to classes, i do not like the removal of class identity.
i mean Gladiator and Tyrant are similar, yet different.
but they are both played and enjoyed, why force them to be the same after 85? why not just have only 8 classes from 20-99 instead of from 85-99?
just sad to see things i like about my class go away.
i was upset when they started handing out unique class traits to other classes, now i am furious that they are further bringing the classes together.
i guess i'm just doom and glooming,
but on the + side, after GoD release, and i get bored of my new class, i will quit and find something else to do with my time, maybe even get a real job.
20 hrs a week if I read it correctly.
For most people that work, that means pretty much all week will be with vitality :)
Think its actually a boost rather than a loss; but obviously not if you play with alts a lot.
20 hrs a week if I read it correctly.
For most people that work, that means pretty much all week will be with vitality :)
Think its actually a boost rather than a loss; but obviously not if you play with alts a lot.
and if you consider you can use only 5 vitality items per week (vit pop or maint potion ) , and ppl have stocked vit pops or event full vit filling items, this mean you can have 120 hours max vit a week
Ok, then. Share with us. What should be the additional number of people that should vote to overturn this outcome? A simple number will do.
if nc soft is willing to provide me with data like : number of players, percentage and how often they log to forums, daily average of number of players click this topic for the days this topic is up, then i will provide (proven with a statistics method) the community a reliable sample with a small margin of mistake.