NC NA has recently released a "consumer satisfaction" form with a final question whether players like the goddess of destruction update or not.
Apart from a question directly to NC NorthAmerica on the results of this questionnaire i am directly asking all active people in this forum related to a few focused points whether goddess of destruction is desired to be going live on our servers or not.
I am posting this thread as a direct question to the lineage 2 community, it is not my intention to put any pressure on the company that is offering the game service.
Everybody before you vote i would like you to askyourself the following questions and depending on the overall answers you give yourself vote if goddess of destruction is actually still the game we chase to play 7 years ago (or others earlier ago ofc.), the game we have paid a huge amount for over the last 7 years.
was the variety of classes, their weaknesses and advantages always a factor to you for playing this game, do you also think that goddess of destruction is a step back in development in this case?
Are you suffering an identity loss of your character or do you think that you gonna be transformed into something that you did not choose to play when you started this game? (you cannot identify with one of the new classes because you feel that your current class seem to not be implemented in the list of choices...)
Was your main concern playing this game competition in either small scale over single other players or in big scale with huge wars, and do you think that PvP is being cut off with the new update since the new war and pvp rules, aswell as the further huge implementation of instanced areas (which is a mechanism that more or less disables the massive multiplayer system by the way!) kind of removes the free pvp system of the game and turns wars into a farming mechanism with a restricted system that takes away more rights and possibilities from pvp oriented players as it benefits pve oriented players?
i asked myself these questions and the answers i had to give to myself were kinda shocking to me.
Lineage2 is going to be replaced with a new game that looks the same on first peek.
Linked to this, and i am aware of the fact that this affects me as a dominator player (my main character just had 6th birthday) the most alongside with Hierophant and Doomcryer, my character, what i chose to play, what i raised for 6 years through good and bad times with a few help from others because the dominator before kamael was always a hated and useless class in party, get erased and what is way more painful not replaced by something that is in anyway similar to what i am now.
on top my very first decision in made as i created this character is overridden, my original mage profession is turned into a fighter profession without being asked of without any apropriate given reason.
I feel like a customer in an ice cream parlor being asked if i want chocolate or cherry ice, and getting chocolate served even though i was explicitely ordering cherry.
The Iss Enchanter is basically an improved Spectral Dancer and has nothing to do with my current occupation.
Furthermore the war system looks like a simple joke to me. lineage 2 had always a free pvp system and the war system was good as it were until now. i can see no valid reason for the upcoming changes, nor do i see any benefits for anyone. the new system will not protect PvE oreinted players at all in any way but will restrict the PvP affine players a lot.
The major issue for me to play lineage 2 is that compared to what is currently on the market its the only still running mmorpg. Instances guys is the death of an mmo and turns the game into a general good looking chatroom and the gameplay is moved to an area where you can not interfere with people outside from your group or command channel.
This is a castration, and turns this game into short hunting games and the outworld is decaying to a chatroom and party matching tool.
so my personal vote is clear i clearly say no to goddess of destruction, this update will destroy the game (for me).
PS: please post your opinion but stay constructive and keep up good manners :)
NCSoft is not going to stop GoD because of your poll. Its going live in Korea on 6/15 and we will get it a few months later. if you feel so strongly that this is not your game, quit now and save yourself the trouble. if you still plan on playing through GoD, then stop your complaining.
I like L2 as it is now. Looking at GoD and what happened in the past with L3 and TERA, I think NCSoft doesn't want to spend $$$ in a new engine risking someone runs off with it again. Instead they hype L2 into what they intended with L3...
Story wise, I think it just sucks. Looking at World of Warcraft and EverQuest II, GoD is yet an other cataclysm in an existing MMO. Okay, the tale must go on, but some changes in GoD just don't make sense. 35 classes to just 8..? WTF were they thinking in Seoul? Other MMO's have few classes so we do the same? L2 is somewhat unique with the class development system, and when you're at your peak (85) you'll be dropped into a uniform class >:(
The new war system is semi-good I think. have the time limited makes PvP more diversive, though long wars (and most clans have them) will be refreshed constantly. But only 5..? You're kidding right?
No, GoD not my idea of fun as I knew it in L2 when I started with C2 or so. But I'll see if GoD can keep my interest or that I should look for something new (Continent of the Ninth is coming to the US/EU soon...)
time will tell I know a lot off ppl have already left or are in progress of leaving and it does show in the amount of players online per day statistics so unless together with GoD there will be some mayor advertising it's going to be interesting to say the least..
i'll try to be short and precise on my answers to your questions Castor,
1) Yes, that was one of the main reasons why i played and still play L2,
i also play Dominator but one who talks about Dominator can also talk about Necromancers:
"Dear customer, we apologize but from now on, you don't have a skeleton/ corrupted man and EVEN BETTER....no dark alligned nukes.
Appreciated for your compreension, have a nice day!"
Also maybe NC can explain to their customers:
Why did we leveled our characters to 85? Why did we made all the efforts we could to get the best skills and all the forgotten scrolls?
In the end, all to see my class turning into a common enchanter?
No need to add anything else on this topic.
2) Identity loss, couldn't have found a better expression to express my feelings. Being called a "Enchanter" that doesn't have any of my current "trademarks" (seals, crowd control skills) that we should notice, are being given to summoners!
In the end i notice that there'll be a few things that didn't changed:
a) i'm still not a DD;
b) i'm still an orc even if i don't feel like being one anymore;
3) New pvp system, from the info that we managed to get, honestly, are you trying to make L2 a second AION? Our pvp will be instanced or should we ask for permission for pvp? Can't find any words for this kind of thing...
Also and of course, this is my opinion and i believe that everyone should have theirs and that opinion should and must be heard:
Why it is given to the players a "Destiny stone" (name doesn't matter) that allows you to switch to a desired class?
In other words we have:
"Dear customer, we couldn't fulfill your wishes of having the class for which you gave sweat, blood and tears, for all the hours you spent grinding but don't worry, turn off your brain from now on and play a class to which you're not and you were never connected.
Thank you!"
I believe that NCWest, on it's power doesn't have "control" on how the game comes to the western countries and so, this whole situation is not NCWest fault. Still if you have any possibility to still change the course of this game, please do it.
Extinguishing all the variety and fun of different classes is a crime.
Sad but if this goes forward, i too quit this game and with me goes all my accounts.
I sincerely hope that a bit of wisdom enlights NCSOFT and this madness is stopped in time.
I would say ... hmm
I know your frustration, when I see SS/movies from GoD I feel like watching WoW.
I just miss "jump" and colours ;)
But as you know you can't change anything, machine has started, marketing 'invented' product, someone has planned, many people did work, all wait for end of project not thinking is it worth or not.
For me it was not worth.
If you say - I quit I can only say : "Can I ask you gear?"
If you say - I'm sick of NC : "Yea ... but what?"
If you say - I like current L2 : "Yea ... but what?"
In short: "Then what?'
What ever was question it is kind a useless :(
I have as well OL/Domi, I like that class but maybe that improved Enchanter will got some love from you.
Reason for my vote.
1. L2 is on 7 years many old players are already seen almost everything of the game Its time for total reconstruction and that should happens ASAP.
2. Atm support chars in servers are dramatically low if party members are not reduced soon party play will die completely.
Reason for my vote:
1. perhaps for those who do not play with class support, not wanting to change but for the other players they are being awaited for a long time. today despite improvements h5, many warriors "carry" their own support.
2. this game is very old and still retains many of its roots. many cool things happened and it would be nice if our game also "evolve" over time. We cannot stand frozen in time while other games come so many cool things.
3. admit that it's time to make the game more appealing to casual gamers ...
Reason for my vote.
1. L2 is on 7 years many old players are already seen almost everything of the game Its time for total reconstruction and that should happens ASAP.
2. Atm support chars in servers are dramatically low if party members are not reduced soon party play will die completely.
with the new war system, no more pvp from side imo :D
Yes, i want "Goddess of destruction" too !
3. admit that it's time to make the game more appealing to casual gamers ...
I'd rather the game die than become WOW/AION. If you think this update is going to make the population so much bigger, pass me whatever you are smoking.
L2 did need fixes(because of devs wrong and unbalanced updates)but whatever good there is in God can become part of L2.
Despite that i always cant find certain classes for full party,the answer is not merging all classes into 1.
As for the 7 years of old game,almost all of players that play more than 5 hours per day and got envolved into servers history,didnt start game from day 1.And the ones that tried to play legit,dont just sit and wait the next update even if they are 85 since 2 years ago,they try find ways of making money since top gearing a toon never ends.
I'd rather the game die than become WOW/AION. If you think this update is going to make the population so much bigger, pass me whatever you are smoking.
hehe, as you can see, wow is a dead game with the biggest population of players... Something wrong ?? I think NCSOFT is right to change certain things...
Many L2 players give up and went looking for other things ...
hehe, as you can see, wow is a dead game with the biggest population of players... Something wrong ??
There is joke about flyes eating excrements.
When conclusion is, as they are billions ... They should be right.
People eat it!
L2 was design as different game for different target.
IMHO as result:
WoW players will not come as they wish
L2 old players will leave as they find WoW like game.
But ofc I can be wrong.
I don't like L2 direction:
Stupid game for teenagers where combo-skill is most precious element , where MMORPG just going be become MMO, where PvP is going to be shifted to minor element, where everything will be easy and nice.
But it is me.
Maybe Horde of 100000 ex-WoW players will resurrect L2, and in Alliance of remains of old skull players will create new scenery of new Aion.
hehe, as you can see, wow is a dead game with the biggest population of players... Something wrong ?? I think NCSOFT is right to change certain things...
Many L2 players give up and went looking for other things ...
I never said WOW was a dead game, it is a nice easy kiddie game, so a lot of people play it. I don't know any l2 player that left and played wow forever, they all come back because WoW's graphics suck, it's faction **** pvp sucks, and u can max out on lvl/gear in a month or 2, so what is the point?
And not just that, whole account shares 1 vit, so you cant be like o i grind this toon to 0vit now I can go grind my alts with full vit. Not gonna work anymore. Do they really have to do that to the vitality system? I thought this was what made lineage 2 so special compare to lineage 1, is the vitality system. Not anymore it seems.
Those ppl that voted yes, do they not mind about the vitality system? No more vit regen, 5 revita pop per week. I mean, wth?
The new skills everything does sound really nice, but taking out vit and nevites. To me that kinda sux lol.
Really? a lot of us have been playing accounts for seven years and have mains at 85 with at least one sub maxed out in preparation for GoD. we know how to level without vitality. Apparently some people cant survive without their vitality crack cocaine.
in my opinion, the devs have put a lot of work trying to balance out the shortcomings certain classes and GoD is the result. play GoD and then come back here and complain if you dont like. doing so before you have even tried is arrogant presumption.
Those ppl that voted yes, do they not mind about the vitality system? No more vit regen, 5 revita pop per week. I mean, wth?
The new skills everything does sound really nice, but taking out vit and nevites. To me that kinda sux lol.
I think that's a fair game for everyone. I still have 100+ revita stuff (christmas cakes, chocolate cookies, and revita pops) on my main character. If they didn't limit that, I could easily hit level 99 while others (without revita stuff) are going to be at like level 87; probably exaggerated but you get the drift ;)
GoD is not the L2 I chose to play when I started it. Although I don't agree with all aspects of the game, I believe that in sum it will be a better game.
Does anybody know if the birthday potions that give 3 4hr vit4 will still work in GOD?
Probably not. From what I've read from the patch-notes all VIT recovery is removed from the game. No more vit herb drops, no more Nevit's blessing to regain VIT, so most likely the bDay pots are useless as well.
But why bother about the bDay pots? Double XP week starting Wednesday. Use them then to boost your VIT and XP to the max ;)
Really? a lot of us have been playing accounts for seven years and have mains at 85 with at least one sub maxed out in preparation for GoD. we know how to level without vitality. Apparently some people cant survive without their vitality crack cocaine.
in my opinion, the devs have put a lot of work trying to balance out the shortcomings certain classes and GoD is the result. play GoD and then come back here and complain if you dont like. doing so before you have even tried is arrogant presumption.
Well I didn't know that vit will last 20 hours long. Didnt read that part. And I played lineage 1 for 9 years and only played lineage 2 for 1 year and 5 months. I am currently 84 on my main. I been thru grinding with no vit at all in lineage 1. Lin1 has no vitality so it just special to me when i came to lin2 last year. Thats all. So I played lin1 with no vit for 9 years. I also know how it is to grind without vit.
Does anybody know if the birthday potions that give 3 4hr vit4 will still work in GOD?
The patch notes say nothing about birthday system being changed or removed. However, the birthday pots may share that 5 vitality items per week limit.
Those ppl that voted yes, do they not mind about the vitality system? No more vit regen, 5 revita pop per week. I mean, wth?
The new skills everything does sound really nice, but taking out vit and nevites. To me that kinda sux lol.
Lul most of us survived 6 years of L2 without any vit/hunting bonus/double xp week etc. Anyhow vit was only added to boost the somewhat crappy base xp mobs gave. So who cares about vit if mobs in GoD will give double/triple etc xp to begin with?
My biggest issue with GoD is the new war system cause it sounds really ******ed for both pvp and pve players.
For the others that cry about idendity crisis or how the game wont be anymore what it used to be...it hasnt been the original L2 for ages, times change so live with it. If you compare ^5, Freya etc with c1, c2 its already a completly different game now.
I say wait and see (and keep in mind that we only have the very first pts patchnotes, so lots of things will be changed till it hits live servers).
I think that's a fair game for everyone. I still have 100+ revita stuff (christmas cakes, chocolate cookies, and revita pops) on my main character. If they didn't limit that, I could easily hit level 99 while others (without revita stuff) are going to be at like level 87; probably exaggerated but you get the drift ;)
In patchnote it's written that you can use only 5 items for your vitality per week (maintain potion, revita pop, bday potion etc).
What me scares a lil is that mages get a few fear skills and this Race stat thing (Orc Mage -> Awakened Tank with Orc Con etc.) and this selfbrez, etc. of the different races. And ofc the new WAR system.
For the rest i think we need to w8 and check if we enjoy it or not.
time will tell I know a lot off ppl have already left or are in progress of leaving and it does show in the amount of players online per day statistics so unless together with GoD there will be some mayor advertising it's going to be interesting to say the least..
i dont really see much difference in the statistics since nov http://kaifas.lt/LineageII-statistic/chronos.html
What me scares a lil is that mages get a few fear skills and this Race stat thing (Orc Mage -> Awakened Tank with Orc Con etc.) and this selfbrez, etc. of the different races. And ofc the new WAR system.
just fyi (since it pops up regularly here), the self-brez of the dark elf race is gone since the latest PTS update.
TYVM Varaya, if now they change this basic race stats thing while switching other classes it would be nice.
Rly wonder how this WAR thing will be. But PTS will show us once we get.
To be frank, any change is good change, especially when we get all this extra content. If we have to take on less wars or do more instances than we used to do, fine - its still going to be a lot of fun.
Why be complaining so much without even having tested? Some people here just loves to complain about everything that the developers do. If you do not like it, just leave .. :P
Draecke if this statistic is 100% sure statistic too, don't mean, that play on the Naia fewer players as in November.
Since November pasted about half year under this time a part of player already got the maximum level, the good gear so it is normal too if the peoples play fewer time as half years ago, cuz not so much thing for why they can play or need to play.
Under the event it is sure, that this number will higher.
It is sure too, that when the Goddess of Destruction will release all statistic will much higher as now.
I play on Naia and I experience, that the players plays just they login to shorter times like 3 years ago on Teon much of them played 5-6 hours too a day now thanks for the nevit stuffs and to get or closing to end game level and gears they play fewer time and login just to 1-2 hours.
Lineage 2 need mostly all of these features and changes what will arrive in the Goddess of Destruction.
1. The new war system is great! At least, it won't be an endless madness anymore, we can get really results after the Goddess of Destruction!
Maybe all know the next words "You won the battle, but didn't won the war".
So we can still make clan PVP against each other while just we want. Just will build up the war from periods and we can see the results of these periods which side is the better in a long clan war:)
The free PVP system will same u can kill everybody when u want! Yes maybe sounds interesting, that we can have just 5 declare wars, but these 5 wars to an average clan quite enough! And the really reason why we will have maximum 5 declare wars, because the war start automatically after 3 days and become to declare (two side war) so if the development team would let it to the top clans they could destroy the all weaker clans totally!
2. The new story contents was necessary too, yes may the new epic bosses will again in instances, but need let to have fun for the PVE players too who search adventures in the game, not just let fun to the pvp zombies.
3. As we could see if we compare the improved and the currently graphic engine, than the difference is SKY and EARTH!
4 Still tons of useful and necessary parts has the Goddess of Destruction 1.0, yes the only thing what can be negative it is the class reduce, but except these all is just positive features (and still can happen anything may we will get back the 36 classes later:))
Draecke if this statistic is 100% sure statistic too, don't mean, that play on the Naia fewer players as in November.
Since November pasted about half year under this time a part of player already got the maximum level, the good gear so it is normal too if the peoples play fewer time as half years ago, cuz not so much thing for why they can play or need to play.
Under the event it is sure, that this number will higher.
It is sure too, that when the Goddess of Destruction will release all statistic will much higher as now.
I play on Naia and I experience, that the players plays just they login to shorter times like 3 years ago on Teon much of them played 5-6 hours too a day now thanks for the nevit stuffs and to get or closing to end game level and gears they play fewer time and login just to 1-2 hours.
valid points but would the same then apply to the afk sell shops as those are quite less then before but maybe thats more the meltdown market situation..
btw my main point was more that as there is a high chance people will leave as they don't like (this many) changes NC Soft should try to advertise to cover for the potential income loss.. as without marketing how can they hope to increase/sustain their current business ?
lol @ Kastor crying about PvP and clan wars. Does your bunnies even have 5 clan wars to begin with? How intense they are?
Furthermore while I accept what you stated as your opinion but I disagree pretty much on everything. Clan wars nor PvP hasn't changed much at all. It's going be be same rules as before just in GoD you will have 1 week free of clan war. OMG WHOLE WEEK. While my self is not the fan of this feature but I can live with it, pvp will be just more interesting and costly and eventually more exciting.
About whole 35 > 8 classes I could not care less. If you look at the status of l2 as it stands today in order to progress you need to relay on constant party which in general is great thing. However the reality is that maintenance of such party is just ridiculous. If your SWS is out or your recharged is out or your cardi is out it is very hard to replace such classes in order to maintain effectiveness.
In GOD it's going to be much easier not only because the required support classes will be lover but because a character will be able to have 2nd sub as main as well so the issues should kinda sort out.
While there are features I do not like however overall picture points to very promising update.
Lul most of us survived 6 years of L2 without any vit/hunting bonus/double xp week etc. Anyhow vit was only added to boost the somewhat crappy base xp mobs gave. So who cares about vit if mobs in GoD will give double/triple etc xp to begin with?
My biggest issue with GoD is the new war system cause it sounds really ******ed for both pvp and pve players.
For the others that cry about idendity crisis or how the game wont be anymore what it used to be...it hasnt been the original L2 for ages, times change so live with it. If you compare ^5, Freya etc with c1, c2 its already a completly different game now.
I say wait and see (and keep in mind that we only have the very first pts patchnotes, so lots of things will be changed till it hits live servers).
Good job surviving 6 years without vit or exp bonus. I survived 9 years with no vit and exp bonus in lineage 1. 5% per death, no bres no 90% res, no 20% res, striaght 5% loss in lineage 1. after lvl 49 it takes 4hours for 1% and 1 death 5%. You didn't go thru tougher grinding than me mister. I still got to lvl 65 with 9 years of hardcore grinding. Go thru what i have been thru then come talk to me about tough grinding.
So many people quote my thing and arrogantly tell me how hardcore they been thru the past 6 years. lol dude lineage 2 got 90% res, bres, 20% res, clan luck, clan hall exp recovery, castle exp recover, fort exp recovery. If you played lineage 1 and been thru that tough grinding, then come quote my thing and tell me u've been through tougher grinding than me.
So many people quote my thing and arrogantly tell me how hardcore they been thru the past 6 years. lol dude lineage 2 got 90% res, bres, 20% res, clan luck, clan hall exp recovery, castle exp recover, fort exp recovery. If you played lineage 1 and been thru that tough grinding, then come quote my thing and tell me u've been through tougher grinding than me.
l2 hasnt always been like that .. there was a time when there where no clanhalls,clanskills and bress.
l2 hasnt always been like that .. there was a time when there where no clanhalls,clanskills and bress.
Well see, i didnt know, I came to lin2 last year, so my first impression about the game was the vitality, the cardi res, the bres etc. I didn't know how lin2 was evolved. And for 9 years lin1 doesnt have that. its like u grind mad hardcore and then u die one time, 5% gone 20 hours of ur time wasted. so the vit was special to me. I only get to enjoy it one year, but the vit is like 20 hours long at GoD instead of 4 hours like it is now. I missed read that part, which is still good. but ppl just keep quoting what i said before i found out about the vit system update and telling me how hardcore they been thru for 6 years and saying im one of those that cant grind without vit. Im just like really? been thru what i have been thru then come tell me ur tough at grinding. the vit was just special to me, thats all.
Well see, i didnt know, I came to lin2 last year, so my first impression about the game was the vitality, the cardi res, the bres etc. I didn't know how lin2 was evolved. And for 9 years lin1 doesnt have that. its like u grind mad hardcore and then u die one time, 5% gone 20 hours of ur time wasted. so the vit was special to me. I only get to enjoy it one year, but the vit is like 20 hours long at GoD instead of 4 hours like it is now. I missed read that part, which is still good. but ppl just keep quoting what i said before i found out about the vit system update and telling me how hardcore they been thru for 6 years and saying im one of those that cant grind without vit. Im just like really? been thru what i have been thru then come tell me ur tough at grinding. the vit was just special to me, thats all.
aaaaaaaaages ago L2 was like L1. the first year of the game some of us were having trouble finding the time to get to level 30, using few soulshots, and those of us a bit braver had found the key to success at the game. those players were rounding 60 and using C grade. i remember the first guy to hit level 75 in the whole game was a BD using dual SLS, levelling in the ancient version of Antharas Lair.
at the time there were no caps to AOE targets and big boom was a very popular powerlevelling tool.
I thought first 75 was ohweee (or something) who was an SR o.o I think they did an announcement for that
you could be right, i recognize that name.
i might be thinking of something else. i just remember seeing a pic of a 75 BD in dual sls in antharas lair... starting to wonder if that was just a pic of a drop...
hardcore grind like 20hrs a day or friends play the char in shifts.. I know thats how those 75 chars on Kain did it.. WhiteWizard Daiwa and an AW whoms name I cant recall right now..
Good job surviving 6 years without vit or exp bonus. I survived 9 years with no vit and exp bonus in lineage 1. 5% per death, no bres no 90% res, no 20% res, striaght 5% loss in lineage 1. after lvl 49 it takes 4hours for 1% and 1 death 5%. You didn't go thru tougher grinding than me mister. I still got to lvl 65 with 9 years of hardcore grinding. Go thru what i have been thru then come talk to me about tough grinding.
Who cares about another game even if its part 1? Youre crying about vit while there hasnt been any vit for ages. You didnt know about it? Not my problem. My point is this game has changed lots and will still be changing in the future. So get over it or go back to L1...
So just fyi when I started in c1 you did lose 5% and half your gear on each death (mob, pvp, pk etc), there wasnt any rez, no buffs, no money for ports, no money for equip (I remember killing 5k+ golems near SoDA trying to get the 2nd or 3rd top staff..), class change quests took ages (2 weekends just for the 39 one) etc.
Locking thread as obsolete. It has already been decided and announced that Goddess of Destruction is coming to our servers. There are no plans to host servers that offer any version of the game other than the most current in Korea.