Hello Guys
Well I am playing GoD on Korean server for a week now
i have tested all the classes and i have some fun facts for you
To start with i will tell you how my PvP go on all classes.
Tyr Warrior - That class is not that amazing, on pvp i only manage to kill Wizards and Archers, some difficulties with Archers.
Enchanter - That is my favourite class, have a very strong p.def on PvP vs Tyr Warrior is absolutely amazing, Warriors only manage to get my CP down when i am finishing them, but against a wizard i have no chance, Tank is a bit difficult to win with but rogue can manage to kill me.
Guardian (Tank or whatever) - Well this is a beauty, if someone is trying to run away from me i will just chain them back to me, Warriors, Rogue, Archers are easy to win with, Healer not that easy and Wizards and Summoners are a bit hard.
Wizard - Great mass pvp class not much to say about it cos i didnt play that much but i really liked hes mass nuke's.
Archer - well... it is kinda sad, if you have the skill you can manage to kill any class but if they have a healer in the party youre worthless, low p.def and m.def is not helping at all and The Hawk summon is not that much of a support.
Summoner - I love this class, summoning 3 of my Grim Reapers (my favourite beautiful ladies ) or 3 Cougars and you are ready to go on pvp if you can control your summons. Tip and Info = Cute Bear is worthless iv PvP , but good tank on RB
Rogue - very fast and good skills, but still if you dont know how to play a dagger class dont even try... but if you have the skill you will have a lot of fun, this class kills fast every other class, careful with Enchanters and Warriors, also i am in love with his mass trap (creates a green foggy circle on the ground) that skill is taking all the CP and HP ov enemies within the range to 1... if you teamed up with a wizard both of you can take down whole party if have good timing.
Healer - Good support, even good at pvp with hes nukes. Hes little summon that you control is cery good against Rogues and Wizards.
Thanks for your input. I have a couple of questions.
Summoners:
How is the DPS of the pets? What skills do the pets have?
How are the DoTs of the summoner? Can you use them all at once or do you have to choose one DoT at a time?
Summoner seems to have a LOT of CC, cleanse and debuff. On paper, it looks overpowered. What is your experience with CC?
Archers:
Is it your experience that the archer can't kill healers? Can other classes kill healers well or do they need to be triple teamed?
Are archers the fastest runners? How is their evasion?
Archer range seems huge. How is their burst damage for field pvp? Can I sneak up on someone and drop them quick?
Nukers
You mention that they are very strong in mass pvp. I assume because of all their AoE skills. How are they in 1v1?
Are they the only class that dominates AoE dmg or is pvp in GoD AoE focused from all classes?
How's their mana?
Thanks for your input. I have a couple of questions.
Summoners:
How is the DPS of the pets? What skills do the pets have? -The only new pat i saw was the Gold Lion, all the skills of pets stay same but some of them have extra buffs
How are the DoTs of the summoner? Can you use them all at once or do you have to choose one DoT at a time? - Some of them all at once, but to some are limits
Summoner seems to have a LOT of CC, cleanse and debuff. On paper, it looks overpowered. What is your experience with CC? - its not overpowered at all, its very balanced :)
Archers:
Is it your experience that the archer can't kill healers? Can other classes kill healers well or do they need to be triple teamed? - When Healer is on buff you have to triple team him. 1v1 i think that only Enchanters and Wizards will have some chance, Tanks and Warriors if you Stun him, any ways GL on OLY against a Healer.
Are archers the fastest runners? How is their evasion? - They have a little bit more speed points than Rogue, but it still depends on what Race will you choose .
Archer range seems huge. How is their burst damage for field pvp? Can I sneak up on someone and drop them quick? - oh yes definitely, if you are skilled you can drop anyone, but that involves a lot of running and beeing in out of range of some skills that may hold you back
Nukers
You mention that they are very strong in mass pvp. I assume because of all their AoE skills. How are they in 1v1? - If a Enchanter, Tank or any close range class will get to you, only think to do is to use your debuffs, a hold skill or something, you still have to be skilled to win.
Are they the only class that dominates AoE dmg or is pvp in GoD AoE focused from all classes? - All classes have AoE skills.
How's their mana? - lvl 85 full buff + Healer Buff and it goes up to 13-14, i might got it confused but i will double check, the thing is that the Mana Regen is very high and skills cost much less mana, on Iss enchanter with a Robe I could constantly buff and heal my party and my mana was full at all times.
Do you have a final answer on if certain classes awaken to something other than their class pass (orc/dwarf awaken as tank), do they get to keep their racial stats (orc/dwarf fighter stats 87/88 CON)?
if you also played during the 2nd phase of PTS then my question is which weapon masteries will enchanter have ? do they get sword/blunt mastery or was it really only an unlock so they can use skills with them but no extra's ?
Do you have a final answer on if certain classes awaken to something other than their class pass (orc/dwarf awaken as tank), do they get to keep their racial stats (orc/dwarf fighter stats 87/88 CON)?
I have tried to Awaken as a Guardian on Kamael race with no success, there is probably other quest but i did not figured it out.
and yes you keep the racial stats.
if you also played during the 2nd phase of PTS then my question is which weapon masteries will enchanter have ? do they get sword/blunt mastery or was it really only an unlock so they can use skills with them but no extra's ?
Dual weapon mastery (dualsword or dualblunt) and Mage weapon mastery
How is the DPS of the pets? What skills do the pets have? -The only new pat i saw was the Gold Lion, all the skills of pets stay same but some of them have extra buffs
I meant Summoner Pets. Like cougar and grim reaper and bear. What skills do they have? What kind of dps do they do?
wich is the best set for enchanter? i mean robe/heavy/light?
Connected to this question: which of the enchanter's skills are physical and which are magical? Knowing this we can figure out the armor and weapon setup.
Connected to this question: which of the enchanter's skills are physical and which are magical? Knowing this we can figure out the armor and weapon setup.
thats the thing... only debuffs and buffs are magical... all skills are physical
I just want to know: ALL awakened tanks gets lion summon? :P And what are the stats of this beast? P.atk, p.def and what is the penalty when you summon it?
I just want to know: ALL awakened tanks gets lion summon? :P And what are the stats of this beast? P.atk, p.def and what is the penalty when you summon it?
no Penalty... P atk on full buff around 2k p def same, good thing is that you can ride it ^^
Btw ! i wanna know about parties! The parties will be mixed or like now ! I mean someone had told that the 7man parties in GOD will me mixed with all classes ( tank,healer,buffer,mage,warrior,archer,rogue) or they will be like now ( mage party,melee party etc?)... The new areas is free for all classes or like now ( gc =melee , soa = mage ) ???
Btw ! i wanna know about parties! The parties will be mixed or like now ! I mean someone had told that the 7man parties in GOD will me mixed with all classes ( tank,healer,buffer,mage,warrior,archer,rogue) or they will be like now ( mage party,melee party etc?)... The new areas is free for all classes or like now ( gc =melee , soa = mage ) ???
1. How did you see, did the Korean players keep or try to keep their old 2nd and 3rd class skills or may did you keep any of them and if yes how good will they work?
2. Can u experience difference if you play a class example Tir Warrior if you play it with different races?
3. You talked about mixed PVP parties. DiD they just invited each other randomly or not so important anymore what classes build up a PvP party?
1. How did you see, did the Korean players keep or try to keep their old 2nd and 3rd class skills or may did you keep any of them and if yes how good will they work? There is no point to keep the old class... after awakening you get around 10000 CP more, so if you dont awaken you will be worthless on pvp
2. Can u experience difference if you play a class example Tir Warrior if you play it with different races? Yes, the strongest Tyr Warriors are Orc Warrior and Kamael.
3. You talked about mixed PVP parties. DiD they just invited each other randomly or not so important anymore what classes build up a PvP party?
Thats a PTS server, they still have clans and everything but party is totally random.
only my own experience Laby :) but as you lerns skils on your own you can see what are the future skills are whats needed to lern them .
do you mean the skills are available at the trainer, but you lack the level prerequisite to learn them? so all your skills can be seen, and the level needed to learn them - all at once ?
do you mean the skills are available at the trainer, but you lack the level prerequisite to learn them? so all your skills can be seen, and the level needed to learn them - all at once ?
If I remember some screenshots, there is now a third tab on the skill window to learn them anywhere at anytime
do you mean the skills are available at the trainer, but you lack the level prerequisite to learn them? so all your skills can be seen, and the level needed to learn them - all at once ?
what Laby said, there is a 3rd slot and you can see future skills and lern them without going to NPC
what for ? If you dont have a healer yes, but if you have a healer around there is no need for 2
! focusing in debuff, another focusing in buff the party
quite a lot of the good debuffs are given to archer, dagger, nuker, summoner. not exclusive to enchanter, however knowing so many types of enchanters, its a reasonable and fair question to ask, garmilion.
Recharge Heal
Restores a selected target's MP instantly according to its level, and also restores MP every second for a certain period of time. Ineffective on targets that have obtained the Recharge effect.
Rebirth
Completely restores the HP/MP/CP of all party members with a certain a chance of removing debuffs from party members.
Recharge Heal
Restores a selected target's MP instantly according to its level, and also restores MP every second for a certain period of time. Ineffective on targets that have obtained the Recharge effect.
Rebirth
Completely restores the HP/MP/CP of all party members with a certain a chance of removing debuffs from party members.
pd: copy/psate from healers skills
pd:garmlove!!
yeah but i mean who will recharge the healer?, can u use that heal on u to get mp?
! focusing in debuff, another focusing in buff the party
Oh yeah, I need to focus on buffing my party!! (Buff the 30 min buffs and then dance every 5 minutes)
Oh yeah, I need to focus on buffing my party!! (Buff the 30 min buffs and then dance every 5 minutes)
I need an incredible amount of focus!
before u answer as a dumb, think about in pvp please :P. U have to rebuff if ur team mates are canceled :) cancel/steal divinity/cancel dagger/cancel fist, well a lot of buff cancel in pvp :).
before u answer as a dumb, think about in pvp please :P. U have to rebuff if ur team mates are canceled :) cancel/steal divinity/cancel dagger/cancel fist, well a lot of buff cancel in pvp :).
dude... full rebuffing takes exactly 12 seconds... casting one skill is a split of second so if you have a makro it will be even less thn 10 seconds...
dude... full rebuffing takes exactly 12 seconds... casting one skill is a split of second so if you have a makro it will be even less thn 10 seconds...
i know what u mean its quick, but it's quick as the enemy cancels u, well my point is, idk how much the buff cost, so thats why im asking if u will need an enchater for buff in pvp, and another for debuffing as an overlord do.
i know what u mean its quick, but it's quick as the enemy cancels u, well my point is, idk how much the buff cost, so thats why im asking if u will need an enchater for buff in pvp, and another for debuffing as an overlord do.
Summoner is more of a debuffer thn Enchanter after Awakening
i know what u mean its quick, but it's quick as the enemy cancels u, well my point is, idk how much the buff cost, so thats why im asking if u will need an enchater for buff in pvp, and another for debuffing as an overlord do.
I don't know if this is a stupid question... but now since there is a "dual main" system... which one do we use for olympiad since they both have the same rules applied to them (subskills etc)
love how you just nab info from another site and even use their images still with the watermark on it then give no credit.
/sarcasm
yes you don't break any rules, but without respecting other's work don't expect to receive *any* respect in return. I, for one, have none for you.
You forgot to mention that the few ppl that still work hard and really help the L2 community loose all their excitement / motivation seeing that and eventually hold back more and more until none is left.
Then all will understand that it's not "just copy paste of widely available info belonging to NCSOFT" or some other legal junk they invent. I want to see their reaction when the finally understand that the hard work of some ppl is not the same with some cryptic, google translated junk and that there is a lot of work involved to get something really useful / meaningful out of a google translated korean web.
GL to all of them when the only thing they will have will be google trans. It will be to late then .. And we will all be discussing of what went wrong, how bad NCSOFT is, why players don't share info, etc etc ..
You forgot to mention that the few ppl that still work hard and really help the L2 community loose all their excitement / motivation seeing that and eventually hold back more and more until none is left.
Then all will understand that it's not "just copy paste of widely available info belonging to NCSOFT" or some other legal junk they invent. I want to see their reaction when the finally understand that the hard work of some ppl is not the same with some cryptic, google translated junk and that there is a lot of work involved to get something really useful / meaningful out of a google translated korean web.
GL to all of them when the only thing they will have will be google trans. It will be to late then .. And we will all be discussing of what went wrong, how bad NCSOFT is, why players don't share info, etc etc ..
I believe populus only wanted that website to put a note at the end like: Source from xxxxxx (copy and paste website link) or Thank "source" (copy and paste weblink) for the information. It's not hard at all :)
That is a good enough credit for the other source they copied from; and people can actually go to that source for more detailed information if they want to.
I believe populus only wanted that website to put a note at the end like: Source from xxxxxx (copy and paste website link) or Thank "source" (copy and paste weblink) for the information. It's not hard at all :)
That is a good enough credit for the other source they copied from; and people can actually go to that source for more detailed information if they want to.
Yup, any author / site deserves a reference if you copy / paste materiel
before u answer as a dumb, think about in pvp please :P. U have to rebuff if ur team mates are canceled :) cancel/steal divinity/cancel dagger/cancel fist, well a lot of buff cancel in pvp :).
OK, so with the new GoD combo buffs, what are they? 5?6?, you have to... Oh, I dont know... snap your fingers twice and party rebuffed?
OK, so with the new GoD combo buffs, what are they? 5?6?, you have to... Oh, I dont know... snap your fingers twice and party rebuffed?
With the amount of cancel and party/clan cleanse going around, I think buffers are going to be quite busy. Instead of zerging the healer, we might find groups canceling the enemy party and then focusing on the buffer before he can rebuff the party.
You guys are kind of aggressive towards any discussion. Chill a bit.
With the amount of cancel and party/clan cleanse going around, I think buffers are going to be quite busy. Instead of zerging the healer, we might find groups canceling the enemy party and then focusing on the buffer before he can rebuff the party.
You guys are kind of aggressive towards any discussion. Chill a bit.
Fine then, be the one kicking a DD out of party to get in a second lolEnchanterlol
Not in GoD, no. The enchanters are basically going to be like the ones in Aion when I played (not sure how Aion is now, since I stopped playing like like 1+ yrs ago). Enchanters are getting Fighter stats with Fighter skills, CC/ debuffs, buff cancelling, average heal etc...
Ofc Enchanters won't win if they just /attack /skill spam like some fighter classes can do now, but it is just like a dagger won't win either with just /attack and /skill spam that stabs someone in the front instead of their back.
Not in GoD, no. The enchanters are basically going to be like the ones in Aion when I played (not sure how Aion is now, since I stopped playing like like 1+ yrs ago). Enchanters are getting Fighter stats with Fighter skills, CC/ debuffs, buff cancelling, average heal etc...
Ofc Enchanters won't win if they just /attack /skill spam like some fighter classes can do now, but it is just like a dagger won't win either with just /attack and /skill spam that stabs someone in the front instead of their back.
This is all m00t. You say enchanters will have fighter stats and skills but guess what?, Real DDs will get even better skills, passives, etc...
I doubt the stats/skills are close enough to the warriors and other dd's to make them equal.
What would be the point in having DD's in party then? Just make a party with 4 enchanters and see how that goes.
Exactly!
Mcbuff is right.if end up like aion chanter will be a weak warrior no able to kill just atcking or spamm skills but mix of atck debuff healls who played aion will know what i mean.
U can see and that smittie again if go like aion u doing many of the instances in aion with 3 chanters a tank, not easy job at all cant match the dmg of a gladi or assasin but possible.
I hope to go close to aion for the only reason there is no leaching in party if 1 member dont do hes job then nothing gonna work right,kick, next one?
See it like a bd now.bd with ok gears do hmmm.... dancing in party yeah.
A bd with top gear and aq/baium/zaken can tank solo in placez like stakato hb gc will not kill fast maybe will take good amount of time but will do the job.
I doubt the stats/skills are close enough to the warriors and other dd's to make them equal.
What would be the point in having DD's in party then? Just make a party with 4 enchanters and see how that goes.
Some actually likes to have 2 enchanters in a 6 man Aion group, which I played in plenty of those; I've also been in groups with 3 enchanters (1 as main healer/ 1 backup healer/ 3 dds) as well. Nevertheless, there are plenty of group varieties that can be done. Such as I have been in heaps of party with the Nuker as the main tank for raid boss lol.
If they are really doing it the Aion style, it will be very different from the current play style of L2 and you'll be suprised of what different classes can do ^^
This is all m00t. You say enchanters will have fighter stats and skills but guess what?, Real DDs will get even better skills, passives, etc...
It is ok if you wish to cover your eyes and think that way ^^ We can agree to disagree and wait until GoD comes out for us :D
Some actually likes to have 2 enchanters in a 6 man Aion group, which I played in plenty of those; I've also been in groups with 3 enchanters (1 as main healer/ 1 backup healer/ 3 dds) as well. Nevertheless, there are plenty of group varieties that can be done. Such as I have been in heaps of party with the Nuker as the main tank for raid boss lol.
If they are really doing it the Aion style, it will be very different from the current play style of L2 and you'll be suprised of what different classes can do ^^
It is ok if you wish to cover your eyes and think that way ^^ We can agree to disagree and wait until GoD comes out for us :D
This is L2. Unless you have actually tested the korean pts with enchanter and warrior, can you really back up your statement?
/summon Varcan
Dear Varcan, is there a point to have any warriors at all, or will we do just as good just substituting the warriors with enchanters. And if yes, what is the point of the warrior class?
not really as he claims a stacked bd/sws char type will be still a worse dd then a real dd class and I'm kind of the living proof that's not true.. pve wise at the very least, pvp is quite different as then the classes have different roles.
right now any class with the right gear/dedication and support can excel in w/e they want to do, let's hope GoD doesn't change that as it would make for a poorer game.
mcBuff you posted e.g: en chanter will be DDs with magical skills..
wtf is that suppose to mean? come on.
look at rogue.. is that a DD? no.
DD is Tyr warrior. You can't compare its DPS to anything in the game.
So calling enchanter a DD, is like saying that now SWS will make SIMILAR dps to Tyrant for example.
This just doesnt work in L2.
As we speak about PVE mainly here, because pvp doesnt make any sense in L2 anymore. DD is definatelly only TYR WARRIOR class. Nothing more.
Support DD is a rogue and archers.
Enchanter is enchanter. Buffer. It will have similar dps as BD/sws now.
This is purely my private opinion based on what I've rad and saw on the frapses. Fully buffed enchanter doing 700 crits on selfbuffed mages... = true DD.
So calling enchanter a DD, is like saying that now SWS will make SIMILAR dps to Tyrant for example.
Hi, if your on Naia pm me as yes I do equal damage as a tyrant pve wise. Do not think in stereo types as it's quite possible (at least it is still now, not sure about GOD) to break away from them.
Hi, if your on Naia pm me as yes I do equal damage as a tyrant pve wise. Do not think in stereo types as it's quite possible (at least it is still now, not sure about GOD) to break away from them.
Hi, if your on Naia pm me as yes I do equal damage as a tyrant pve wise. Do not think in stereo types as it's quite possible (at least it is still now, not sure about GOD) to break away from them.
I can confirm this.
I've seen GKs and other DDs suffering like hell do kick agro away from Draecke.
Hi, if your on Naia pm me as yes I do equal damage as a tyrant pve wise. Do not think in stereo types as it's quite possible (at least it is still now, not sure about GOD) to break away from them.
If you talking self buffs maybe yes. If fully buffed/same gear SWS is not dealing even a half of tyrants DPS.
Take any tyrant and you will solo an RB, take an SWS and you will get dead SWS :)
it's ok Ykara this is why I asked if they're on Naia as people tend to think in stereo types and have a hard time to think out of the box, only thing that will convince them otherwise is by seeing it with their own eyes.. I'm used to that behavior.
it's ok Ykara this is why I asked if they're on Naia as people tend to think in stereo types and have a hard time to think out of the box, only thing that will convince them otherwise is by seeing it with their own eyes.. I'm used to that behavior.
Yeah... I understand why you tend to warn DDs not to go emo, when you start hitting..
Stakato RB's lol... Well with todays buffs you probably can do them but the thing still is that GK would do it faster. More p atk, same attack speed, more crit dmg. Do you really wanna go this way? I'm not saying that SWS is not dealing damage but it's definitely nowhere near of what GK can do.
Go with him to LOA.. and you'll see who keeps agro.. hint: It will not be you.
This made me laugh. No offense but you should already know that BD/SWM with no shots on will still get agro. I dunno how but it's like that. When exping my SWM to level 80 in GC I used common a grade dagger w/o shots and still was getting agro. I suppose dance/song naturally generates quit big amount of threat.
Hi, if your on Naia pm me as yes I do equal damage as a tyrant pve wise. Do not think in stereo types as it's quite possible (at least it is still now, not sure about GOD) to break away from them.
please dont be delusional. No matter how hard you try, you will not make same DPS as tyrant especially PVE wise.
simple test. Go to gc lower and kill 1 giant elder. list you items, buffs and time you needed to kill it. I will than buff the same and list my items + time :)
please dont be delusional. No matter how hard you try, you will not make same DPS as tyrant especially PVE wise.
simple test. Go to gc lower and kill 1 giant elder. list you items, buffs and time you needed to kill it. I will than buff the same and list my items + time :)
He Solos Top MOS with covcryer + BD and SE heals.
Yeah! Everybody forms enchanter groups to kill frint/freya and no GK/Titan.
It's not that.. it's a matter of how toon is built... every experienced L2 player knows that.
How could a SWS kill a GK with same lvl and gear in Oly then?
please dont be delusional. No matter how hard you try, you will not make same DPS as tyrant especially PVE wise.
simple test. Go to gc lower and kill 1 giant elder. list you items, buffs and time you needed to kill it. I will than buff the same and list my items + time :)
let's see who kills in DVC/LOA faster then come back to me but really it's kind of pointless this discussion as unless you see it you won't believe it anywayz
btw the right answer on above is a nuker on anakim transform hitting kariks :P
the topic is about how it will really balance out in GoD
Hi, if your on Naia pm me as yes I do equal damage as a tyrant pve wise. Do not think in stereo types as it's quite possible (at least it is still now, not sure about GOD) to break away from them.
You're not gonna out DPS a real DD, even if you're stacked. I'm an 85 BD with 4/5 (including both rings), 300 vesper duals, etc and I do well in dps, but I'm not gonna put out what an equally geared GK/Gladi/Titan can. Unless perhaps you went +5 str, +4 dex, -10 con, in which case you're dying really fast once you go purple.
Your post talked of Aion, and how classes work there. This does not affect L2.
Only some of them are about Aion, not all of them. That's why I told you to read my posts again before commenting. Anyway, what characters are you going to awaken? Oh nvm, you won't have any... other than the ones that are leeching from kron's party :rolleyes: So GoD doesn't really matter to you :)
This made me laugh. No offense but you should already know that BD/SWM with no shots on will still get agro. I dunno how but it's like that. When exping my SWM to level 80 in GC I used common a grade dagger w/o shots and still was getting agro. I suppose dance/song naturally generates quit big amount of threat.
Even wartags could pm him for a show :P
True fact.
He was the first non poler in this game to pole Green Spot.. in IC set... the same IC set he is selling.. after using it for like 3y.
pm me if your on Naia. it's possible for non standard chars to do very good damage :)
True fact.
He was the first non poler in this game to pole Green Spot.. in IC set... the same IC set he is selling.. after using it for like 3y.
zlz, drop tag, pm him.. and go watch the show. :P
Noone is tellling that SwS can't do damage. Properly stacked it can but the thing is that this damage CANNOT BE NOWHERE NEAR as equally equipped tyrant.
Simple facts why sws can't do more damage than tyrant:
Tyrant has 30-50%(if not more) p atk of SWS
Tyrant has generally higher attack speed compared to SWS
Finally tyrant has higher crit power than SWS
There's no way SWS can do nearly the same damage as tyrant.
P.S. If I PM you will you bring equally equipped tyrant so we could compare how fast he droops mobs? I don't need to see how SwS solo mobs, I know it's possible with todays buffs, I need comparison between tyrant and sws.
Only some of them are about Aion, not all of them. That's why I told you to read my posts again before commenting. Anyway, what characters are you going to awaken? Oh nvm, you won't have any... other than the ones that are leeching from kron's party :rolleyes: So GoD doesn't really matter to you :)
Don't worry about me and GoD. I'll play whatever seems fun at the time, as I always have. I find it funny you chose to comment like this when I know how you got to 80, not to mention where u got 83.
Running around and putting random stuff on the ground isnt being very usefull either...
Don't worry about me and GoD. I'll play whatever seems fun at the time, as I always have. I find it funny you chose to comment like this when I know how you got to 80, not to mention where u got 83.
Running around and putting random stuff on the ground isnt being very usefull either...
So Smittie... How did I get to lvl 80? No, it wasn't in Kron's party; I did it myself 4 boxing in GC :). Kron only occasionally partied me when no other people are begging to try to get in his party. Then I actually still am 4 boxing (when I can't get a group) to get as much exp as possible to get to 85 on my characters, even I prefer to be in a party matching group; but living in a total different time zone than most player in Chronos sucks :'( Anyway, I can't wait till GoD update, even though I do like to be a mage more than a fighter :s
So the merges didnt help either? I figured we had alot of both euros and americans now.
Regardless, you were in Krons parties before lvl 80, even when he had his own prophet there.
And your birthday buff was spent where?
Regardless, this isnt what the tread is about, this was merely a response to your personal attack when you couldnt back up your arguments.
Have you or have you not played enchanter in GoD PTS anywhere?
Or are your ideas of Enchanter>Tyr Warrior just guesswork?
A simple yes or no will suffice thank you.
Yea... Australia is not in the same time zone as euros or the US :/ and thanks for the concern, Smitte. I was in A LOT of different parties before I was 80, can't recall how many :S But are you saying when someone offers me a party, I should refuse joining and keep being anti-social 4 boxing myself? About my bday buff; it was spent at different places, since you can get 3 potions now yay. I did roughly 50% in Kron's party which he offered, the other 50% in another party. In the end, the difference is that I play mine in different 83+ areas, be it 4 boxing myself, random parties or in kron's; with 1 goal.... is to get 85.
I haven't played the GoD PTS yet, but from reading the stats and skills (power) of enchanters and warriors from the pts note; it is about 90% what GoD will be.
Also curious... When did I ever say iss enchanter > tyr warrior? Please quote :) Or maybe it was just simply your own idea and imagining them as my words ? :D
2- Soloing with CoV, BD, and SE help is not Solo, it's FailSolo.
Soloing means using selfbuffs and/or Newb buffs. No heals or OOP support.
Quoted to emphasize the truth.
I always laugh when some people brag: "I solo this, I solo that!!!" and then it appears they bring two dozens of boxed healers, buffers, rechargers, and other OOP supports for their "solo" escapades.
2- Soloing with CoV, BD, and SE help is not Solo, it's FailSolo. Soloing means using selfbuffs and/or Newb buffs. No heals or OOP support.
I have been wondering about that since the start of ages ..
Obviously for some people that is solo ..
My best guess is that by "solo" they mean that they are actively playing one toon, all other n (1<n<8) are not considered since they are not actively played by themselves or are boxed or are OOP etc etc
Yea... Australia is not in the same time zone as euros or the US :/ and thanks for the concern, Smitte. I was in A LOT of different parties before I was 80, can't recall how many :S But are you saying when someone offers me a party, I should refuse joining and keep being anti-social 4 boxing myself? About my bday buff; it was spent at different places, since you can get 3 potions now yay. I did roughly 50% in Kron's party which he offered, the other 50% in another party. In the end, the difference is that I play mine in different 83+ areas, be it 4 boxing myself, random parties or in kron's; with 1 goal.... is to get 85.
I haven't played the GoD PTS yet, but from reading the stats and skills (power) of enchanters and warriors from the pts note; it is about 90% what GoD will be.
Also curious... When did I ever say iss enchanter > tyr warrior? Please quote :) Or maybe it was just simply your own idea and imagining them as my words ? :D
Ok, so you havent played PTS, you are simply guessing.
If you didnt post it, you must have said it on vent then.
Enchanters are going to be DDs with DD stats and skills; as well as, a mixture of magical skills :)
Thats the same as comparing an OL/WC to a Glad/DB
Not in GoD, no. The enchanters are basically going to be like the ones in Aion when I played (not sure how Aion is now, since I stopped playing like like 1+ yrs ago). Enchanters are getting Fighter stats with Fighter skills, CC/ debuffs, buff cancelling, average heal etc...
Ofc Enchanters won't win if they just /attack /skill spam like some fighter classes can do now, but it is just like a dagger won't win either with just /attack and /skill spam that stabs someone in the front instead of their back.
Found this. Although you don't outright say Ench>Warr it implies it.
Also, notice how you actually say how something is going to be, without having tested it. Which is what I first responded to.
Found this. Although you don't outright say Ench>Warr it implies it.
Also, notice how you actually say how something is going to be, without having tested it. Which is what I first responded to.
How does what I said implies Iss Enchanter > Tyr Warrior? Or you are trying to put words in my mouth again :) Why do I need to test something to know if it will work or not? It's not that hard by using common sense and logic from actual details (pts notes) to predict what it will be like. Do you need to 'test' to know that after AL got revamped you'll need a DD/Tank+BD+SwS+Buffer+Recharger to work? The answer is no, because that's common sense and logic from experience and info about the area.
You also said you never played Aion either. That is another NCsoft game, which have huge similarity on the class design to what L2 GoD is; even the skills are alike. You can shut your eyes and say you never played Aion, so you refuse to see the similarities just by looking up Aion sites for details.
Like I asked before out of curiosity not personal attack, why are you so fond of trying to say that I said Iss Enchanter > Tyr Warrior (both GoD awakened classes) when it will not effect you in any way when it goes live? Well except that you'll be able to level your characters from 1-85 faster and then reroll again ;)
Another question that I would like to ask is that have you ever played WoW before, Smittie?
You stated clearly that enchanter will be a DD!!! what should we think?
what is DD? bd/sws is DD? NO.
DD is fighter. glad/tyrant/warrior. ANY other class has imcomparable dps, period.
i don't think that enhanter will be a real DEMEGE DILAR :))
It's quite obvious enhanter will beat 1 vs 1 most of the classes... It's like giving BD judi buffs... But in party it will be still a SUPPORT class. No matter what you've seen in AION and how close we are to it. Keep in mind L2 is 7+ y old game, from which AION was developed. Not the other way.
And it's STRONGLY depends on buffs. It's not like AION where classes had good stats in general. It might change a bit, however still buffs will be hell of importance as it used to be for ever.
Also the fact AION failed as a game, should influence devs not to develope L2 into the same..
You stated clearly that enchanter will be a DD!!! what should we think?
what is DD? bd/sws is DD? NO.
DD is fighter. glad/tyrant/warrior. ANY other class has imcomparable dps, period.
i don't think that enhanter will be a real DEMEGE DILAR :))
It's quite obvious enhanter will beat 1 vs 1 most of the classes... It's like giving BD judi buffs... But in party it will be still a SUPPORT class. No matter what you've seen in AION and how close we are to it. Keep in mind L2 is 7+ y old game, from which AION was developed. Not the other way.
And it's STRONGLY depends on buffs. It's not like AION where classes had good stats in general. It might change a bit, however still buffs will be hell of importance as it used to be for ever.
Also the fact AION failed as a game, should influence devs not to develope L2 into the same..
Not sure why quite a lot of people only wants DC when the game mechanic actually works better for them with HP's CC buff+penetration attack; oh yes... **** I answered my own question, it's stereotype :rolleyes:
You stated clearly that enchanter will be a DD!!! what should we think?
what is DD? bd/sws is DD? NO.
Depends. I've been to Lair parties where BD/SwS were the DDs.
DD is fighter.
Enchanter is a fighter. Not a mage.
glad/tyrant/warrior. ANY other class has imcomparable dps, period.
You forgot some other classes, for example, daggers. But anyway, it only tells about their peak DPS. Which might be close to irrelevant to the efficiency of the whole exp session (as any MoH-soloed healer could tell you).
When it comes to the efficiency of XP, there are such factors coming into account as MP-efficiency of damage-increasing skillsets (including debuffs), the ability to sustain (and not just survive) bigger pulls, and even the time spent on replacing a class when someone needs to leave.
So, if I make a pick up party and have a choice to take either a plain DD or a second enchanter into the "yet another DD" role, I cannot guarantee I would prefer a plain DD.
really kind of funny as I never even said anything of soloing as such.. Ykara did and he must have meant that his lolsws was the only one actually killing mobs and clearing it all faster then respawn but meh I R so done with that whole discussion :)
to get back on topic will in GoD Enchanters be able to play the role of a solid DD with say support of a healer/summoner and maybe a tank or another enchanter in the new areas and do perfectly fine like they can do now in say DVC/LoA when properly geared & similar party set up etc. ?
ps, please note how I phrased the question so stop with actual DD nonsense as that's is not part of the question thank you all in advance.
How does what I said implies Iss Enchanter > Tyr Warrior? Or you are trying to put words in my mouth again :) Why do I need to test something to know if it will work or not? It's not that hard by using common sense and logic from actual details (pts notes) to predict what it will be like. Do you need to 'test' to know that after AL got revamped you'll need a DD/Tank+BD+SwS+Buffer+Recharger to work? The answer is no, because that's common sense and logic from experience and info about the area.
You also said you never played Aion either. That is another NCsoft game, which have huge similarity on the class design to what L2 GoD is; even the skills are alike. You can shut your eyes and say you never played Aion, so you refuse to see the similarities just by looking up Aion sites for details.
Like I asked before out of curiosity not personal attack, why are you so fond of trying to say that I said Iss Enchanter > Tyr Warrior (both GoD awakened classes) when it will not effect you in any way when it goes live? Well except that you'll be able to level your characters from 1-85 faster and then reroll again ;)
Another question that I would like to ask is that have you ever played WoW before, Smittie?
I hope you realize that my alt prophet was only 1 lvl behind you, just a few months back, and your prophet is your supposed main.
I dont care if GoD affects me or not, but if you are gonna guess about GoD, then say it is guesses. Ppl come to forums for actual information, they go to other places than offical forum because ppl here post guesses, or just what they think works atm until someone corrects you (Spudnik being a fairly good example at this actually).
Have I played WoW? Yes, I tried a warlock to lvl 9 and then couldnt stand the horrid graphix anymore. I have not tried it since then.
And I acutally dont reroll much mcBuff, I just play different characters, since I find playing only one all the time very boring.
actually for DVC/LoA if you go to the melee spots all you really need BD/SWS/DC/PP (penetration passive, CC & oe'd resists ftw)/CARDI/EE or SE & preferable a spoiler the rest is optional although an active OL or Tank would be better over a DD just for crowd control in case one does aoe (me like very much ^^)
this is assuming sws bd spoiler (+pp if he/she uses a melee weapon to trigger the penetration skill) have some decent gear/resists & 300 weapons..
optimum party would have also 1 DD but that isn't really needed to clear the spots so last spot in party could also be taken by a summoner or judicator w/e people prefer :)
ps, this ofc won't work if you're boxing half the party as DVC isn't that kind of place :P
I hope you realize that my alt prophet was only 1 lvl behind you, just a few months back, and your prophet is your supposed main.
I dont care if GoD affects me or not, but if you are gonna guess about GoD, then say it is guesses. Ppl come to forums for actual information, they go to other places than offical forum because ppl here post guesses, or just what they think works atm until someone corrects you (Spudnik being a fairly good example at this actually).
Have I played WoW? Yes, I tried a warlock to lvl 9 and then couldnt stand the horrid graphix anymore. I have not tried it since then.
And I acutally dont reroll much mcBuff, I just play different characters, since I find playing only one all the time very boring.
I doubt it's a few months back, Smittie :) I didn't play during 2010 (except for maybe started at Nov/Christmas time) my prophet was already 80 then. It is more like over a year ago. Your prophet alt was higher level than mcBuff, because I don't have my functional 4 man party yet to level my prophet. Now guess what, my "main" is almost 85 and my boxes are still < 82. Thanks to double exp and clan parties+random parties <3
It seems like you still can't grasp the idea of (even I explained it multiple times) all my boxes are my boxes, and their purpose is to get mcBuff (my main) exp; even I have to invest time and effort for my boxes and neglect mcBuff a bit.
Why will it be a guess when there's accurate information presented to us? Do you have to 'guess' what 1+1 equals? Or do people have to use a calculator to be qualified as not guessing the answer?
Yes, your hate for any buffer but prophet shines through quite nicely, but we already knew that about you. How come you didnt reply about anything else in that post?
That is a rather funny accusation, Smittie. I don't hate any buffer but prophet, but more the ignorance in people. I have invited WC/OL/PP as a buffer to replace me for the random parties I did during double exp. I simply don't bias against one type of buffer, when they are just as functional as the others for the party.
Anyway, if you prefer to ignore all the details given by the offical patch notes that's fine. I am only replying to you because you're a clannie, if not I won't even bother ^^
Well atleast a PP will be useful as the new class, compared to its other buffer counterparts.
I still cant see how the patch notes makes it a proper dd. Unless your definition of DD is different from everyone elses.
It's also not a matter of math and 1+1=2. Thats just a way of saying "I like to guess stuff, and if you cant infer the same from the patch notes then you are probably to stupid to figure it out". You can sugarcoat it all you want, but it's still the same thing.
Now if you can find a video that shows us both classes killing in same situations, we coudl actually draw some conclusions from that. The only thing I've seen so far is;
Enchanter>Pheo Wizard in SOA solo instance. But that might also be faulty since the enchanter seemed to know what to do there, and the Wizard was using random nukes and testing stuff.
I still cant see how the patch notes makes it a proper dd. Unless your definition of DD is different from everyone elses.
A DD is whoever does the most boring job in your party (i.e. dealing damage), allowing you to spend your time on doing more interesing things, like pulling, healing, crowd controlling. Or is there another definition? :rolleyes:
Enchanter>Pheo Wizard in SOA solo instance. But that might also be faulty since the enchanter seemed to know what to do there,
Is it "faulty" to know what to do? Is enchanter supposed to not know what to do in general?
Was that enchanter dealing the damage in the video?
Properly?
a DD in PvE just need good damage from whacking mobs, so a BD is actually a decent DD, SwS not as much because of their low base strength
But with GoD, even though there are differences in str between races, the difference won't be as noticable because the numbers are higher (8x), and with dual masteries enchanters will deal decent damage.
What *real* DDs excel at is burst damage, aoe damage skills and being more durable than enchanters (more HP)
In a fight against DDs, if the enchanter can survive the burst damage combo from the DD, the enchanter has a better chance of winning as they have heals, and more debuffs which gives the most benefit if you can drag out the fight and make the DD use up their MP. Again, that's only if you can survive the burst damage from the DD.
This is all theory; with people claiming that enchanters are strong, that is what I came up with.
A DD is whoever does the most boring job in your party (i.e. dealing damage), allowing you to spend your time on doing more interesing things, like pulling, healing, crowd controlling. Or is there another definition? :rolleyes:
Is it "faulty" to know what to do? Is enchanter supposed to not know what to do in general?
Was that enchanter dealing the damage in the video?
Properly?
Sry, forgot you frequent this forum. Im referring to two videos shown on Rochands forum. Two different chars killing the same mobs, aka something comparable.
In THAT video only one of them seems to really know what to do though, which is why I said it might be a faulty comparison.
But lets argue semantics instead Krissa, if you want to. Dear god you bore me sometimes.
Sry, forgot you frequent this forum. Im referring to two videos shown on Rochands forum.
I know, and I've seen those videos. What makes you think the enchanter in that video is not a proper DD? Looks like his killing speed on those mobs is close to be respawn-limited.
I know, and I've seen those videos. What makes you think the enchanter in that video is not a proper DD? Looks like his killing speed on those mobs is close to be respawn-limited.
Is this what your comment was about?
Did the enchanter do better than the wizard? Yes.
Did the enchanter seem like he knew what he was doing? Yes.
Can I compare the enchanter to a Tyr Warrior doing the same area without having seen the Tyr Warrior kill in the same area? No.
a DD in PvE just need good damage from whacking mobs, so a BD is actually a decent DD, SwS not as much because of their low base strength
But with GoD, even though there are differences in str between races, the difference won't be as noticable because the numbers are higher (8x), and with dual masteries enchanters will deal decent damage.
What *real* DDs excel at is burst damage, aoe damage skills and being more durable than enchanters (more HP)
In a fight against DDs, if the enchanter can survive the burst damage combo from the DD, the enchanter has a better chance of winning as they have heals, and more debuffs which gives the most benefit if you can drag out the fight and make the DD use up their MP. Again, that's only if you can survive the burst damage from the DD.
This is all theory; with people claiming that enchanters are strong, that is what I came up with.
well from my point of view survivability is one of the strongest points of some of the Enchanters, look at Judicators with their kind of "ultimate" defense bufs or SwM who have high pdef/mdef + HP with song of vitality + strong damage output due to high crit rate which does off set the lack of patt compared to some other classes or BD's when they use their selfbuf dance of defense.. same story there. ah almost forgot to mention the OL's with their toggles who can melee u down while debuffing the living s$$t out of u when proper played.
usually the burst damage type of chars aren't that great in soaking up a lot of damage over time, titan/dualist do pretty ok due to their heavy armor masteries but the light armor DD's not quite..
a simple example is that it has happened several times now that when I take a tyrant or dagger to DVC and start aoe the running dragon groups they fail to stay alive and I'm talking about lvl85 chars here..
now this is based on the current status quo, who knows how the classes change in GoD which is why lots of char/skills testing will need to be done before we can really draw any conclusion on how the new classes will work out long term ?
Is this what your comment was about?
About respawn-limited killspeed, yes.
Did the enchanter seem like he knew what he was doing? Yes.
Good. Then you can agree that if there was a way to increase the amount of mobs or their respawn time the enchanter would know how to do it.
Because he was obviously running too much to collect the mobs he could kill.
Can I compare the enchanter to a Tyr Warrior doing the same area without having seen the Tyr Warrior kill in the same area? No.
Where could Tyr Warrior get those extra mobs to kill?
I would expect the area to be designed for enough respawn for maximum killspeed, as the area geometry allows the lower-DPS classes to not pull too much. But I don't see how a much faster killspeed could be achieved there.