the dynasty dual daggers are S grade , but the vitamin manager request S80 neolithic crystal to make em rare , can you fix it to request S neolithic crystal
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It's fine. Daggers can be equipped only by 81+ dagger masters.
If you really want make rare dynasty dual daggers, take clean dynasty dagger and neolithic crystal, make rare dynasty dagger and through mammon make rare dual daggers.
what if i have already +8 dyn dual daggers ? they should make em either s80 or change to request S neo cry
Sell them and do what the other poster said.
or the gms fix the game
GMs don't read the forums. It has been said countless times by every single CM. You need to file a Ticket at the L2 Support website.
That issue has come up before and the answer from the development team was that since Dual Daggers have a lvl 81 requirement to be equipped, this is working as designed.
That issue has come up before and the answer from the development team was that since Dual Daggers have a lvl 81 requirement to be equipped, this is working as designed.
But the daggers are grade S, not S80. It's clearly a bug. The fact that you can only equip them as lvl81 should make you change the grade on that daggers then.
That issue has come up before and the answer from the development team was that since Dual Daggers have a lvl 81 requirement to be equipped, this is working as designed.
Nice.... an S grade item that can only be equiped as a S81 graded weapon, but requires an S80 neolithic crystal, yet is still considered an S grade weapon, falls into the same category as all other S grade Dynasty weapons such as bows and daggers and such, but unlike all those same graded and named weapons that CAN use a S grade neolithic crystal, the dual daggers cannot, EVEN THOUGH all one would need to do to make the daggers MW would be to MW just the dynasty dagger BEFORE dualing............ yes this makes perfectly good sense
I'm sorry Cryo, using even the slightest of common sense.. and i'm not at all trying to be offensive or trying to make anyone look stupid... but seriously.... common sense clearly shows that the development team member or as a whole when questioned about this apparently lack any form of logic or basic problem solving therefore giving a proper answer.
You cannot use the "equipment lvl" as a reason.
It's creates unnecessary conflict....... If i recall right, i think someone ran into the same problem with the Dynasty Duals with a S grade neolithic... which BREAKS what the developement team said IF true..
Either A... fix it..
B: temporarly fix it by creating a set identical dual daggers with enchant and element and such... just make them masterwork... take his neothilic crystal and dagger.. insert the MW versions...
Done.. easy.. simple..... Happy customer..... may actually have something good to say about ncsoft support in the process...... happy ncsoft..... one headache resolved with hopefully a known GLITCH/BUG to be fixed.
Issue has been resolved by Cryo, yet everyone keeps beating the dead horse.
Do as I told you, sell the Daggers, buy the single dagger, use the NeoCry on it, use your newly acquired MW dagger to make your MW Dual Daggers, be happy.
Again, issue has been answered by GM. Lock the thread.
Issue has been resolved by Cryo, yet everyone keeps beating the dead horse.
Do as I told you, sell the Daggers, buy the single dagger, use the NeoCry on it, use your newly acquired MW dagger to make your MW Dual Daggers, be happy.
Again, issue has been answered by GM. Lock the thread.
Issue not solved.. as the "solution" is for lack of a better word... ******ed...
If i complain to my car manufacturer about it not starting, they don't tell me my tires aren't the right size for the car. It doesn't make sense and doesn't actually answer the question properly because they are unrelated.
Issue not solved.. as the "solution" is for lack of a better word... ******ed...
If i complain to my car manufacturer about it not starting, they don't tell me my tires aren't the right size for the car. It doesn't make sense and doesn't actually answer the question properly because they are unrelated.
Go complain to your car manufacturer that your car only runs on premium (and higher) gasoline and cannot run on diesel.
Go complain to your car manufacturer that your car only runs on premium (and higher) gasoline and cannot run on diesel.
/Fail
atleast they inform you, that you shoul not use diesel.
I dont see where NC tells it doesnt work.
And about selling and re-buy a clean one. How to make it +8 then like he has? Spending tons of BEWS cos NC has a communication problem?
@ Cryo
It's a shame to write such things since its easy to change it.
Issue not solved.. as the "solution" is for lack of a better word... ******ed...
If i complain to my car manufacturer about it not starting, they don't tell me my tires aren't the right size for the car. It doesn't make sense and doesn't actually answer the question properly because they are unrelated.
Bad analogy is bad.
You are saying your L2 "car" doesn't start. Logging into the game equals to starting your L2 car.
You car is fine, why are we telling NC it doesn't work?
The NeoCry "issue" is simply people trying to put their windows down by pushing a button when the windows actually work on a manual crank.
I already told you that you have to crank the window down (Sell the duals, buy single dagger, make it MW, make it into duals), but you keep on poking on it, expecting that it will go down as an electric window. Jesus Christ, get over it, stop being so lazy and "crank" your windows down. Don't drown yourself in a glass of water.
That issue has come up before and the answer from the development team was that since Dual Daggers have a lvl 81 requirement to be equipped, this is working as designed.
i think you are mistaking Skill lvl and Grade lvl , i'll try to explain with my bad english ><
ok so about weapon/armor grades , if you lvl up 76 you get S grade expertise you DONT have to learn it and if you dlvl to 75 you lose ur S grade expertise
The skill lvl is different story , when you lvl up you have to learn your skills , and if you dlvl you wont lose the skills you learned (only if you dlvl more than 9lvls you gonna lose the higher lvl skills )
The dual dagger mastery is lvl 81 SKILL you have to learn it and if you dlvl let say to 76 lvl you will still have it , and you will be able to equip Dynasty Dual daggers at 76 lvl bcoz you have the skill learned
IF Dual dagger mastery passive was like the Weapon/Armor expertise as soon as you get 81 you have the skill , and if you dlvl to 80 you lose the skill , then it will make sense for the Dyn dual daggers to request S80 neolithic cry , BUT since you have to learn the skill and you wont lose the skill even if you dlvl to 76 then the Dyn dual daggers should request S grade neolithic cry since the dual daggers are S grade
btw fallowing ur logic you can even put S84 neolithic cry for the S grade dual daggers , since S grade and S80 grade are both UNDER the dual dagger mastery skill lvl wich is 81
car runs on all gasoline.. but does better on premimum.....
Nope.
Car engine is designed with a specific (fixed) compression ratio, which determines the octane rating of the fuel that is the best for this car.
Fuel with a higher octane rating is a waste (the car might actually run worse on it).
Fuel with a lower octane rating will cause engine knocking (non-uniform combustion of the fuel/air mix), which can (and will - in older cars) damage the engine. The newer cars have a knock sensor, which detects the knocking and tells the car's ECU to increase the amount of fuel in the fuel/air mix. It supresses knocking, but uses more fuel and decreases the engine performance.
you get that from wikipedia?
My knowledge of some things is older than Wikipedia.
derailed thread is derailed, and for once, its not my fault!!
I blame Cryo for posting an answer that made any possible discussion on the topic useless :D
You are saying your L2 "car" doesn't start. Logging into the game equals to starting your L2 car.
You car is fine, why are we telling NC it doesn't work?
The NeoCry "issue" is simply people trying to put their windows down by pushing a button when the windows actually work on a manual crank.
I already told you that you have to crank the window down (Sell the duals, buy single dagger, make it MW, make it into duals), but you keep on poking on it, expecting that it will go down as an electric window. Jesus Christ, get over it, stop being so lazy and "crank" your windows down. Don't drown yourself in a glass of water.
If you want to get into the specifics of making as accurate of a analogy as possible.... why don't we just go back to the orginal one..
S grade is S grade.. it is not S 80, Why does an S grade weapon require S80 anything?
It doesn't make sense.. you cannot use a Stipulation of a weapon that is clearly S grade that states a required level that S or s80 neolithic or grade values have utterly no impact.
It's no different then Dynasty with Weapon mastery requireing a specific class to be able to equip it, it's still S grade... it's not S80...
Stating a requirement using a sub requirement that has absalutely no relation is simply stupid..
If you 16 years old which is the requirement to drive, and drive a vehicle, your fine. If you don't have a license to drive, doesn't mean you can't drive, you still can, even though you shouldn't..
this fits relatively "well" within the same perameters, the S grade states you can use s neolithic cyrstals, you can use anything that is s grade with it, IT IS S GRADE NOT s80, but because it states within it's discription that you must be lvl 81 to use it, doesn't mean it's not S grade.
This concept isn't hard to understand.... there is no debate... there can't be..
IF ncsoft wants to even attempt to debate the logic of it.... then i will insist that they change the Grade of the weapon to S81, NOT s80 or S84...
and they should then REQUIRE that a s81 neolithic cyrstal be available or put in the system.
The other fact of the matter is that you CAN use a s grade neolithic to make a mw dagger in which you can then create the mw dual dagger.
I think the OP want to keep the +8 on his dyn dual dagger and apply neo S crystal to make rare. if it an +3 or +4 dual dagger I would sell it and make rare single dagger then dual them to make rare dual dagger. I agree with th OP the l2dev got lazy and should have allow Dyn dual dagger to use neo crystal S grade like all Dyn weapon. as an example a big What if "In GOD update S84 weapon become S80 grade" but Dual dagger that was S84 before now S80 still need S84 neo crystal" And to top it another What if" you need to be dagger class lvl 84+ to equip the new S80 Dual dagger" so it seem the l2dev could have adjust the requirement and Grade level for these Dual dagger to match when they change to the new lower Grade. But they still tie it to level restiction lvl81 to learn dual dagger mastery and say" working as designed" . SO let say What If... when dual dagger drop down to A grade you still need to be lvl 81 to equip it and need 1 higher level neo crystal to make rare/mw. I hope these thing will be fixed and with up coming update, a few line of code in the database would make every dagger player happy.
This MW Dual Dagger thing just shows again how bad NC does some things.
But what i find totally disgusting is the fact, that its "working as intended".
They haven't the courage to admit that they made a mistake (since i think everyone is smart enought to see it) and that they will fix it.
i think you are mistaking Skill lvl and Grade lvl , i'll try to explain with my bad english ><
ok so about weapon/armor grades , if you lvl up 76 you get S grade expertise you DONT have to learn it and if you dlvl to 75 you lose ur S grade expertise
The skill lvl is different story , when you lvl up you have to learn your skills , and if you dlvl you wont lose the skills you learned (only if you dlvl more than 9lvls you gonna lose the higher lvl skills )
The dual dagger mastery is lvl 81 SKILL you have to learn it and if you dlvl let say to 76 lvl you will still have it , and you will be able to equip Dynasty Dual daggers at 76 lvl bcoz you have the skill learned
IF Dual dagger mastery passive was like the Weapon/Armor expertise as soon as you get 81 you have the skill , and if you dlvl to 80 you lose the skill , then it will make sense for the Dyn dual daggers to request S80 neolithic cry , BUT since you have to learn the skill and you wont lose the skill even if you dlvl to 76 then the Dyn dual daggers should request S grade neolithic cry since the dual daggers are S grade
btw fallowing ur logic you can even put S84 neolithic cry for the S grade dual daggers , since S grade and S80 grade are both UNDER the dual dagger mastery skill lvl wich is 81
As far as I know, it is not necessary to have the dual dagger mastery skill to be able to equip dual daggers, you just need to be lvl 81 and then automatically can use them. All the skill does is add some patk and skill land rate. I.e. I would guess if you delvl from 81 to 80, you will not be able to use the dual daggers anymore, even if you have the skill, since being able to use the dual daggers is not tied to the skill at all. The weapon itself does not mention the skill, only the "lvl 81" requirement.
That issue has come up before and the answer from the development team was that since Dual Daggers have a lvl 81 requirement to be equipped, this is working as designed.
Change the grade of the weapon or stop posting ******.
Dynasty weapon were made S grade. So this is pure example of inconsistency in what you intended to do, not a design.
Who is designing that S grade weapon will be equipable on 81 lvl and will need S80 neolithic? A dumb ***.
Thanks Sace for another infraction btw. I know this is your main task you are paid for, so I'm looking for one again, as I called stupid desing author like he should be called.
Your problem is that you still consider dual dagger as S-Grade like the single dagger, right?
Let's now complain about two top C swords becoming a B dualsword.
It's not about how it works now. It's about wrong weapon grade on the dual daggers. It's "S". And should be wither changed to s80, or treated like S grade weapons, rite?
Dynasty Dual Daggers http://lineage2.rochand.com/images/S-Grade.png
Dual Dagger / Two Handed
<Weapon Specifications>
P. Atk. : 304
M. Atk. : 157
Atk. Spd. : Very Fast
Soulshot Used : X 1
Spiritshot Used : X 1
Weight : 2,150
P. Atk. of Dual Daggers increase more than that of regular one-handed swords when enchanted. When enchanted to 4 or more, increases Critical by 109. Increases the damage inflicted during PvP. Can be equipped by Dagger Masters above level 81.
Your problem is that you still consider dual dagger as S-Grade like the single dagger, right?
Let's now complain about two top C swords becoming a B dualsword.
This swords are showns as "B-Grade" then and not as "C-Grade" anymore.
This whole thing is simple: NC did some wrong and the customers are the faked again.
This swords are showns as "B-Grade" then and not as "C-Grade" anymore.
This whole thing is simple: NC did some wrong and the customers are the faked again.
If you want to get into the specifics of making as accurate of a analogy as possible.... why don't we just go back to the orginal one..
S grade is S grade.. it is not S 80, Why does an S grade weapon require S80 anything?
It doesn't make sense.. you cannot use a Stipulation of a weapon that is clearly S grade that states a required level that S or s80 neolithic or grade values have utterly no impact.
It's no different then Dynasty with Weapon mastery requireing a specific class to be able to equip it, it's still S grade... it's not S80...
Stating a requirement using a sub requirement that has absalutely no relation is simply stupid..
If you 16 years old which is the requirement to drive, and drive a vehicle, your fine. If you don't have a license to drive, doesn't mean you can't drive, you still can, even though you shouldn't..
this fits relatively "well" within the same perameters, the S grade states you can use s neolithic cyrstals, you can use anything that is s grade with it, IT IS S GRADE NOT s80, but because it states within it's discription that you must be lvl 81 to use it, doesn't mean it's not S grade.
This concept isn't hard to understand.... there is no debate... there can't be..
IF ncsoft wants to even attempt to debate the logic of it.... then i will insist that they change the Grade of the weapon to S81, NOT s80 or S84...
and they should then REQUIRE that a s81 neolithic cyrstal be available or put in the system.
The other fact of the matter is that you CAN use a s grade neolithic to make a mw dagger in which you can then create the mw dual dagger.
so what is the problem here?It all boils down to this:
S Grade can be equipped at 76.
Dual Daggers cannot be equipped until 81.
Dual Daggers are not S Grade.
If you wanna keep arguing with the developers, ask yourself this:
Can you equip them at 76?
If yes, send a picture in a Support Ticket.
If not, stop complaining about it and do what a told you in a previous post.
S Grade can be equipped at 76.
Dual Daggers cannot be equipped until 81.
Dual Daggers are not S Grade.
If you wanna keep arguing with the developers, ask yourself this:
Can you equip them at 76?
If yes, send a picture in a Support Ticket.
If not, stop complaining about it and do what a told you in a previous post.
S grade can be equiped at 76..
dual dagger cannot be equiped by any class except for the specific classes at lvl 81
Dual daggers are s grade but require a grade that doesn't technically excist in game.
therefore dual daggers do not have a specific grade.
your confusing Equipment requirements with grade requirements...
It doesn't matter if something is necessarily equipable at 76 or not if the equipment requirements state it's S grade.. which it is.... but then put in a equipment requirement specifics.
If i cannot equip Dynasty Weapon master armor.... ever.... does that mean the armor is either no grade or higher then s84? No... it's because Even though something is S grade or whatever grade it is..... Equipment requirements must be met
It's a simple priority requirements system.
First it's GRADE requirement
Then it's equipment set requirements
Then other either option or further requirements can be stated.... such as class specific passive/active masteries which then change another set of results.
You cannot say, nor can developers say that a weapon..armor..jewel in this nature makes any sense.
Neolithic crystal requires S grade weapon..
Priority one is that weapon must be S grade.... Which it is....
But developer says it's the equip requirements? meaning it's the priority 2 requirement that has ZERO relation to the grade
blabla non-sense blabla
Devs decided to link the required mats for dual daggers with the level when they are used and not with a theorical icon on the item window.
For once it makes sense, why are you complaining?
Dual daggers aren't a weapon in par with other S-Grade weapons, so the requirement to make them rare devs decided not to put them in the same category. They decided that their difference of power should imply that :
1. they could only be used at 81+ despite being theorically S-Grade.
2. making them rare would require S80 crys despite being theorically S-Grade.
If you understand #1, you understand #2. It sounds like you're just asking for a favour to have the game easier for you.
Devs decided to link the required mats for dual daggers with the level when they are used and not with a theorical icon on the item window.
For once it makes sense, why are you complaining?
Dual daggers aren't a weapon in par with other S-Grade weapons, so the requirement to make them rare devs decided not to put them in the same category. They decided that their difference of power should imply that :
1. they could only be used at 81+ despite being theorically S-Grade.
2. making them rare would require S80 crys despite being theorically S-Grade.
If you understand #1, you understand #2. It sounds like you're just asking for a favour to have the game easier for you.
Indeed a good point.
But its also rather amusing. Leaving aside the fact that the devs screwed up , I meant the behavior. They're refusing to do something that will make the community ( or at least a small part of it) happy. Coz , even if they do make dagger duals S grade , so what? Will that be the end of ya "hardcores"? No significant and core-game-changing thing is discussed here , yet it goes like this...
Just go in ur corner and cry how this game gets easier :) coz ya know , GoD is coming :D
That last line was uncalled-for. Why are you aggressive and calling me "hardcore"?
Some players here are complaining and calling this a non-sense when it's full of sense, so I pointed it out. I added that if you wanted it otherwise, that was asking for a favour. Isn't it?
Finally, where did I write I was against asking for favours? Did I call you names?
Did I say something like "Oh oh oh noobs can't get S80 neolithic crys L2P QQ moar!"
Not at all. Could you make rare dual daggers with silver nuggets I wouldn't care. But asking for that IS asking the game to be easier for you, obviously.
there are no grade capes that require(d) s80 grade armor to be equipped. Why are you whining? Game mechanics are what they are. Dual daggers are 81+. Deal with it.
That last line was uncalled-for. Why are you aggressive and calling me "hardcore"?
Some players here are complaining and calling this a non-sense when it's full of sense, so I pointed it out. I added that if you wanted it otherwise, that was asking for a favour. Isn't it?
Finally, where did I write I was against asking for favours? Did I call you names?
Did I say something like "Oh oh oh noobs can't get S80 neolithic crys L2P QQ moar!"
Not at all. Could you make rare dual daggers with silver nuggets I wouldn't care. But asking for that IS asking the game to be easier for you, obviously.
It is funny for me how u go against something so minor , calling it anything more than what it is - a minor thing.
And ur totally right.Makes perfect sense that weapon with "S80 grade" tag requires s81 to be equipped , wont u agree?
And , arent u a bit overreacting? Just coz u stubbornly refuse to say a fault is there , wont make it dissapear u know. And I apologise if u included urself in the "hardcore" word.Seems it rly offended u , and you have my condolences for this grave injury of ur pride :/ .
The last line btw wasnt uncalled for. When u compare the QQing from ur side for this , and whats coming with GoD expansion , I'd expect u try to cut urself with a rubber knife...(impossible to succeed , yet amusing to watch)
EDIT:To mention what i mean with "coming of GoD" : what is needed to lvl to 78 then will be 1000% faster than before, making ppl who lvled to 78 with years feel a bit awkward.
Auction house : bye bye playing the market....but I guess we have to see it to make sure.
Expectation of item bulking.It wont be hard to get a set as it used to , but players will strive for blessed version , making item sets less unique and the rewarding feeling u get when u change a set will dissapear.
Now compare the change about the S neo crystal and the ones I listed.No further comment is needed I presume.
It is funny for me how u go against something so minor , calling it anything more than what it is - a minor thing.
Seriously, learn to read. Neither am I against nor said anywhere it was minor. And you keep insulting me with low insinuations. You're the only one complaining here, I'm explaining you what appears to you as a non-sense. But apparently you found yourself ridiculous as all you're capable is to try personal attacks. Go pick up fights with the kids of your street.
Seriously, learn to read. Neither am I against nor said anywhere it was minor. And you keep insulting me with low insinuations. You're the only one complaining here, I'm explaining you what appears to you as a non-sense. But apparently you found yourself ridiculous as all you're capable is to try personal attacks. Go pick up fights with the kids of your street.
And it seems I cant read >< . Sorry but I couldn't find any "insults" in my posts , yet rereading urs , I quite figure ur against this proposed change. And Im complaining bout what? Coz devs screwed up? Ya , I am , and its worth it. Btw I never said that u consider it minor. I consider it such , and it happens to be just that. Have u thought what would change overall if this change is implemented? OOOHHHHH!!! I know! lvl 76 daggers and spoilers are gonna go on a total rampage! they're gonna go 1-shot all the 80+ players coz they have da shiny s80 duals right when they ding for S grade!
Ye , my bad. It will be too OP for those players.So i retract my statements and points :) so be happy washtak :D chill out , have a beer .....go outside?
You win! Congratz! now u can enjoy life again <3
P.S : Since u lack comprehensive demeanor , all I do is ridicule you through irony and sarcasm.This seemed to avoid u , so I say it directly...so that ur next crying post wont be about these "insults" of mine ^^