l2 is obviously a pvp game, we all know this, and by no means am i complaining about that, pvp is fun. the issue i have is the larger clans maily one or two that have completely taken control of the server and are putting alt clans in castles, not allowing other clans the chance to get them, going as far as to fight in sieges that they arent even signed for just to put thier alt clans in. this isnt fair. i know its a pvp game only the strong blah blah. the fact is in order to go to lvl 10 u have to own a castle. and regardless no clan should be monopolizing the castles, it stunts the growth of others in game, and the fact that everyone on the server has allowed this is sad. i think that if you partake in a siege and you arent signed you should get a debuff that doesnt allow you to use your skills or whatever. also i think if you are cought putting an alt clan in a castle, you should lose your castle. these are mine and a few friends thoughts on this, now i assume alot of ppl agree, and most who dont are probably the ones doing it. nc soft moderation on this would be appriciated. and those that are doing this, c'mon stop being jerks. and you all can say well make nice with the big clans, in order to make nice u have to be rich and most of us arent cause the market is crazy screwed rite now and some of the big clans are hogging the revinue of the castles. and yes there r other ways to make money but its slow, and we should have to buy a castle it should be fairly won by thos who are SIGNED for sieges.:p
If you are talking about Naia, then have no comment since I do not play there. If you are talkinga about chronos, then I completely disagree. Nova may have taken 2 castles, but rest are owned by mostly tier 2/3 clans. I would categorize my clan as a boardline tier 2, yet we held a castle for months now.... go figure... sometimes I almost think GM already threathened Nova not take more than 2 castles... but what do i know... I also suspect that many tier 1 clans simply cannot take a castle cuz it is not by Nova. I think it is a perfect legit part of the game plitical system, absolutely nothing wrong with it.
unless ur the clan leader, what does a castle do for you? nothing?! I used to use casle soe to save porting fee, but i even stopped doing that , cuz it was just a waste of time.
as mentioned, i disagree with pretty much everything in the orignial post. However, it raises 1 good point: financial trails of all castle owners should all by audited daily. Giran castle owner probably nets 1B adena a day? where the hell did all the adena go?
since we on this topic, how can an asian site like offgamers.com sell 2 month cards for $20 each, while most of us pay $28-30 (for 2 month)? gamestop.com does not even sell L2 cards?? Does anyone else see the irony here? Last check NC West are still mandated to serve US and Europe, not China!
well do to the rules on the forums i cant really specify who, but i dont think any clan shuld own more than one castle, but yes you are rite that the revinue does go to the clan leader, and no i am not a clan leader (nor do i want to be, kudos to you leaders thats alot of work) but that then falls on the clan itself, equal distribution is always a plus and i am all for it and when it is in my hands i do my best to make sure everyone involved gets thier share. but still the whole unsigned thing is frustrating. and distributing to other who are trying to get thier clans up. while i do fully congradulate those who have worked hard and who have managed to be top, i am also frustrated with the mild abuse of power. lets be honist when u are at siege and are getting killed by unsigned ppl just because they want to go kill ppl while you and others are trying to achieve somthing, thats a bit frustrating. im not one who likes to qq but man it really kills the fun for me. there have been times and i will say thanks that top clans have come in unsigned and cleared out the grounds and said castle is open whoever wants it, and thats cool. but i think its best if unsigned just stay away and let those signed take it on thier own. just my and a few other ppls opinion. i am not trying to attack anyone here just hoping for a little moderation, and in the event that this is just plain out of line maybe make clan lvling not involve castles, because at this point in the game you cant go past 9 unless you pay your way which kinda sux cause we r all kinda poor rite now with the way the market has fallen.
if l2 was a non-free pvp game then mb the non-participating clans could not hit clans that participate at siege, and then all castles would be owned by active clans.
this won't happen...
Therefore, there is indeed another path for a clan to become lvl 10 and gain some adena (i strongly doubt that there is a way to gain 1b/day), at least at Naia:
Well, there is another way to become level 10, no need to be allied with or cheating clan to do it, I doubt the castles make all that money. After all, "ppl" are not even bothering to set manor, at least on Naia, so only tax from goodies in NPC shop, at least on low pop server like Naia, cant amount to 1 bn. And, 1 bn is not huge money anyway.
It is not castle ownership that makes the difference, let them have the castles.
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I remember some years ago,having godard castle meant clan leader had to pay adena from his pocket everyweek to set the manor working and the fruits he got back were not worthing all the time the effort.
Castle no more give profits since giant books are obtained from oly,manor died,noone uses dualcraft stamps and for qhp,you can manage with oly wariors pots.Only profit left is npc's market,so aden and giran only.Pvp clans cant obtain more than 2 castles,unless the server is dead,because the time in 1 siege is not enough to take/defend 2 castles and go help their friend-ally clan on their own castle.
There are such protections for crybabies elsewhere.
I'm still soloing my way up because nobody invites me in a clan BUT i believe tha with proper party setup any castle can be taken. Using Voice com is a must ! (e.g. ventrilo, teamspeak, skype conferent)
I counter with a proposal to lift the one clan can only own one castle limitation. Then there will be no need for alt clans. But no you don't "deserve" a castle because you want to advance your clan to lvl 10, it doesn't work that way. Go work your diplomatic skills and make a castle happen for your clan but this please strong people don't deny me a castle is pitiful.
This is not a game a fairness, it is a game of strenght. Weaker clans need to pull together to bring down the giants. Usually they are too proud or unwilling to do so and prefer to complain.
Disclaimer: I am not in a clan that owns castle (or even considered a top clan)
This is not a game a fairness, it is a game of strenght. Weaker clans need to pull together to bring down the giants. Usually they are too proud or unwilling to do so and prefer to complain.
Disclaimer: I am not in a clan that owns castle (or even considered a top clan)
This is not a game a fairness, it is a game of strenght. Weaker clans need to pull together to bring down the giants. Usually they are too proud or unwilling to do so and prefer to complain.
Disclaimer: I am not in a clan that owns castle (or even considered a top clan)
+1
This thread has been posted again and will probably be again on the forum every few months
Leaving the cheating factor to the corner, this is a game of POWER not equal possibilities (even crafting is random why chances should be equal). And the biggest power is in NUMBERS.
If your clan cant handle the 1 or 2 or 3 parties that the Top clan sents then TEAM up with other parties/clans/allies if your goal is to make your (or your best friends clan) ruler of a castle and you want that SPECIFIC clan to be the castle holder then work harder. There are many low lvl/low membered clans that if treated fair their members would love to join and help you as you help them.
As for 10 lvl clans you can do as fine with a 9 lvl one as well if your lvl 9 clan is full of members you can easily participate for a castle so to make lvl 10
Putting boundaries to someone elses victory just to be able to achieve yours, is like being happy that you won a race that you were the only one running!
the issue i have is the larger clans maily one or two that have completely taken control of the server and are putting alt clans in castles, not allowing other clans the chance to get them, going as far as to fight in sieges that they arent even signed for just to put thier alt clans in. this isnt fair...
Look, this game is not designed to make everyone happy and all players dance around the campfire holding hands and singing happy songs. If you can’t take a castle you don’t deserve a castle, if you can hold six castle with the various clans associated with your alliance you deserve six castles.
If the omnipotent clan is in control of all the cool stuff you want then maybe you should band together with other clans and defeat the powerful beast! Coming to the forums and stating it is unfair that said clan/alliance has organized hundreds of people across multiple countries and various languages into a fighting machine capable of taking and holding multiple castles is pathetic.
Suggestion: Become the leader needed to organized hundreds of people across multiple countries and various languages into a fighting machine capable of taking and holding just one castle. Then you will be on the road they have already traveled.
well the thing of it is we all know that some of the tops got there by botting and ebaying and that is cheating (and im not saying everyone in those clans ), i dont and have not. and im not saying boho give me a castle im saying that those that are not signed should not be able to participate, nor do i want this to be a campfire game. all im saying is if ur not signed u should get a penalty allowing those who have signed to have a better chance at getting a castle. if a clan signs two castles and takes two then i guess cool, be legit. although i still feel that alt clan castleing should be somthing that is penalized. and so should sieging while not signed. and yes you are rite in that clans are too proud to ban together.if you dont agree thats cool i dont think bad of you for it, i came to the forums with an opinion in hopes of getting both for and against oppinions. maybe some of the larger clan leaders who see this might decide to have a bit of personal integrity. idk, just an oppinion.
And here we go, big clans are cheaters, not me so I should get a castle.
Cheaters must be stopped, banned, put on the right path whatever, but this has nothing to do with castles occupation. With or without cheaters, big clans are able to control the castles and that's logical.
that is almost Oo to read :]
why not make rule to give any clans castle w/o even sieging it ? becasue what will happen if one of those neutral clans will die on guards!? again ;_; on boards that evil npcs monopolize castle?!
ps. if you think big clans take other castles for money you are so wrong ;]
This is not a game a fairness, it is a game of cheating. Weaker clans need to pull together to bring down the cheaters. Usually they are too proud or unwilling to do so and prefer to complain.
Disclaimer: I am not in a clan that owns castle (or even considered a top clan)
If you want a lvl 10 clan, you have to deserve to be a level 10. You need to organize, grow, govern, plan, recruit and do all the other things necessary to take a castle. If you cannot succeed at that then you do not deserve to be a lvl 10 clan.
as mentioned, i disagree with pretty much everything in the orignial post. However, it raises 1 good point: financial trails of all castle owners should all by audited daily. Giran castle owner probably nets 1B adena a day? where the hell did all the adena go?
So you know, we don't get 1 billion a day from Giran castle, not even remotely close. We didn't get 1 billlion a day from Aden castle when we owned it last month either. That's just wrong, so quit spreading it.
Apply a minimum of common sense here. Castle sieges are 14 days... you think ANY castle gets 14 billion in 2 weeks? *facepalm*
i spoke to clan who took a fort of a clan who owned 2 castles and didnt sign with the castle and it seemed that the castle owner didnt even notice, so i find myself curiouse as to y bother owning the castle? but if the castle owner did notice and just didnt care then i guess whatever, at least allowing other to benifit is kinda cool. :P majority rule does seem to be against me so while i still disagree its obviouse that the server does not. ty all for your feed back
since we on this topic, how can an asian site like offgamers.com sell 2 month cards for $20 each, while most of us pay $28-30 (for 2 month)? gamestop.com does not even sell L2 cards?? Does anyone else see the irony here? Last check NC West are still mandated to serve US and Europe, not China!
GameStop sells NCSoft game time cards. I get them there all the time. The majority of game time cards for various games are activated at the time of purchase, so the website won't sell them.
The reason these huge zerg guilds are able to capture two castles and have every hero on the server is because half of the high-level players on the server ceombe toolboxes and join with them. What happened to the heroes on the server actually representing the best of each class? Was it ever that way, or did they game it up right from the start?