Found an interesting old article about the legendary victory of 'undewear army' of PvE players defeating the one of the strongest and overpowered clan 'DK' that was controlling everything on the 'Bartz' server in Korea.
The hundres PvE players got sick and tired of the overpowered clan controlling from hunting ground to all the castle, got together, fought with low level characters that wears nothing for several months and had finally overthrown them. Ever since, no PvP clan can bullying around in the bartz server in Korea. As far as I know.. I too don't know the whole detail, but is so legendary, I still hear people talk about it once a while.
Basically even with low level characters that does not equip anything valuable, can still use basic skill to inflict minimal damage of between 10 -15 to high level character. They have simply overpower the high level characters in numbers. The undewear army fought w/o any expensive equipments, nor don't have to worry about deleveling, so they have nothing to lose. But the high level characters has so much to loose against them. Even with minimal damage, 30 to 100 low level charter hitting on one high level charater still cause instant death.
It was possible because hundreads of poeple combined the will and fought together. Very interesting.
I wouldn't say sick and tired. But the bullying is a mild annoyance. That being said, the story you share gives me the giggles. I'm now imagining 500 toddlers with spoons beating the tar out of an arrogant whiny NFL football star. Thank you for sharing LOL.
similare occasion happened when here on one of the servers.. i beleive it was gustin, a army of dwarfs managed to take a castle, took them a few tries and a few months to build up the army of nothing but dwarves... but they did it.
Granted back in the day when you could even at lvl 1 hit the highest lvl player for some decent amount.... today, it takes few lvl to have the accuracy to manage to hit them, element of some kind of manage any significant damage, and would take massive swarms to nearly instantly kill someone.
I'm well aware of the halariousness of about 50+ people on lowbies completely overwhelming pvpers to the point that the pvpers couldn't get much beyond the gates of gludin before being killed. Majority of the lowbies would be dwarves or orcs though, simply because they had high hp...
I perticipated in some of those utterly epic times when i had a chance, back when pvp would actually last more then just a couple of seconds if that. Back when you had to form a stategy and move together, today basically just either sneak up, zerg or completely overwhelm with excessive numbers... Completely a different game and not nearly as fun....
Imagine hundreads of underwear characters liying on the floor, sooner or later, the high level character will become red with high pk numbers.
And then, imagine him dropping all the goodies when he/she finally falls.. lol. (how is he going to lower all that pk levels.. going to take a while too..)
Found an interesting old article about the legendary victory of 'undewear army' of PvE players defeating the one of the strongest and overpowered clan 'DK' that was controlling everything on the 'Bartz' server in Korea.
The hundres PvE players got sick and tired of the overpowered clan controlling from hunting ground to all the castle, got together, fought with low level characters that wears nothing for several months and had finally overthrown them. Ever since, no PvP clan can bullying around in the bartz server in Korea. As far as I know.. I too don't know the whole detail, but is so legendary, I still hear people talk about it once a while.
Basically even with low level characters that does not equip anything valuable, can still use basic skill to inflict minimal damage of between 10 -15 to high level character. They have simply overpower the high level characters in numbers. The undewear army fought w/o any expensive equipments, nor don't have to worry about deleveling, so they have nothing to lose. But the high level characters has so much to loose against them. Even with minimal damage, 30 to 100 low level charter hitting on one high level charater still cause instant death.
It was possible because hundreads of poeple combined the will and fought together. Very interesting.
I perticipated in some of those utterly epic times when i had a chance, back when pvp would actually last more then just a couple of seconds if that. Back when you had to form a stategy and move together, today basically just either sneak up, zerg or completely overwhelm with excessive numbers... Completely a different game and not nearly as fun....
PvP in GOD is mad fun. Can still die instantly depends on the level difference, but is not like what it was. Now the battle lasts pretty long and is actually fun. My clan is one of the top 5 PvP clan in my server and do mass PvP all the time. It's so fun where it used to be boring.:D
Seems to come and go...... NCsoft will implement things which result in 1/4 second fights oventually... making it completely based on luck and timing even Latency from one player to the next, which is totally not "fun"....... then they'll finally fix it later bringing it back up to reasonable "par" only to screw it up again.
Still miss the near 5 minute pvps back in the day. Even with one player vs 3 others without requireing to be a tank.
similare occasion happened when here on one of the servers.. i beleive it was gustin, a army of dwarfs managed to take a castle, took them a few tries and a few months to build up the army of nothing but dwarves... but they did it.
Granted back in the day when you could even at lvl 1 hit the highest lvl player for some decent amount.... today, it takes few lvl to have the accuracy to manage to hit them, element of some kind of manage any significant damage, and would take massive swarms to nearly instantly kill someone.
I'm well aware of the halariousness of about 50+ people on lowbies completely overwhelming pvpers to the point that the pvpers couldn't get much beyond the gates of gludin before being killed. Majority of the lowbies would be dwarves or orcs though, simply because they had high hp...
I perticipated in some of those utterly epic times when i had a chance, back when pvp would actually last more then just a couple of seconds if that. Back when you had to form a stategy and move together, today basically just either sneak up, zerg or completely overwhelm with excessive numbers... Completely a different game and not nearly as fun....
This brings back memories, I remember when the call went out on the forums for people to roll dorfs on that server in advance. I did, I made a dorfy,and we had a great time defending the gate to Giran. We had dozens and dozens of dorfs hitting the main attacking clan person by person, surrounding and inundating them, and we were slowly getting them.
This brings back memories, I remember when the call went out on the forums for people to roll dorfs on that server in advance. I did, I made a dorfy,and we had a great time defending the gate to Giran. We had dozens and dozens of dorfs hitting the main attacking clan person by person, surrounding and inundating them, and we were slowly getting them.
New dorfs with assasin skills would make them more deadly now.. lol :D:D
similare occasion happened when here on one of the servers.. i beleive it was gustin, a army of dwarfs managed to take a castle, took them a few tries and a few months to build up the army of nothing but dwarves... but they did it.
Granted back in the day when you could even at lvl 1 hit the highest lvl player for some decent amount.... today, it takes few lvl to have the accuracy to manage to hit them, element of some kind of manage any significant damage, and would take massive swarms to nearly instantly kill someone.
I'm well aware of the halariousness of about 50+ people on lowbies completely overwhelming pvpers to the point that the pvpers couldn't get much beyond the gates of gludin before being killed. Majority of the lowbies would be dwarves or orcs though, simply because they had high hp...
I perticipated in some of those utterly epic times when i had a chance, back when pvp would actually last more then just a couple of seconds if that. Back when you had to form a stategy and move together, today basically just either sneak up, zerg or completely overwhelm with excessive numbers... Completely a different game and not nearly as fun....
It was done on Lionna, I was there at the time was fun to watch.
similare occasion happened when here on one of the servers.. i beleive it was gustin, a army of dwarfs managed to take a castle, took them a few tries and a few months to build up the army of nothing but dwarves... but they did it.
Granted back in the day when you could even at lvl 1 hit the highest lvl player for some decent amount.... today, it takes few lvl to have the accuracy to manage to hit them, element of some kind of manage any significant damage, and would take massive swarms to nearly instantly kill someone.
I'm well aware of the halariousness of about 50+ people on lowbies completely overwhelming pvpers to the point that the pvpers couldn't get much beyond the gates of gludin before being killed. Majority of the lowbies would be dwarves or orcs though, simply because they had high hp...
I perticipated in some of those utterly epic times when i had a chance, back when pvp would actually last more then just a couple of seconds if that. Back when you had to form a stategy and move together, today basically just either sneak up, zerg or completely overwhelm with excessive numbers... Completely a different game and not nearly as fun....
It was on Lionna and it was Giran castle.
Almost none of the dwarfs where above level 61 and it was extremely fun participating in defending the castle with dwarfs only...50 mechanic golems chasing down one guy was extremely fun to watch...to bad RBots...sorry RDogs had to ruin the fun in the end.
Yeah its all good, the only problem is the US/UE mentality, first of all we like to pvp much more then koreans and second, we dont like teaming up. On both Naia and Chronos there are plenty PVE clans that when united would bring a massive force in to the factor, but that will never happen, we all know that to be true. Just to many differences between clans. Thats the flaw of multinational community, everyone fights for himself and his clan ethnic group. Koreans got it easy, they are after all, all korean speaking players. We got Russians, greeks, polish, germans, french, sweeds, americans, brits and many more and even that it is just a game enviroment, cultural and political characteristics has a big influence on how we see other players.
And on the side note, Im happy to hear pvp will last longer in GoD, i miss the days when ppl got rezzed in a fight just to keep on fighting to the very end, now its either u die without knowing what killed u or ur really fast with hitting that PR button.
It was done on Lionna, I was there at the time was fun to watch.
Go HammerStrike!
I was there too, one of the many masses o' dwarf. I also remember the first round of attackers coming through the gate and doing a double-take at the wall-to-wall wall of dwarves.
I was there too, one of the many masses o' dwarf. I also remember the first round of attackers coming through the gate and doing a double-take at the wall-to-wall wall of dwarves.
I could just imagine their vent: "Guh!?"
HammerStrike, that's it! I remember how nice the people were. I believe there were alt clans in the Ally with similar names perhaps. I believe that was what I was joined to.
At first we were outside on the field past the moat in front, surrounding the unbelieving high level archers and such. Then we re-grouped inside and created a Dwarven Wall(TM) inside the first gate. This was so much fun, I couldn't believe how much fun it was. The word to create toons was made way in advance, I think I got up to 53.
Was such fun knowing what was coming soon in defense of Giran.
Then the actual day hit and I couldn't stop laughing, and it will probably be one of my most cherished memories, so glad I have that dwarf and the prophet companion when we merged to Chronos, though they are still in their 50's they bring back such fond memories.
Yes, I was there too with a lvl 8 dwarfette. I was reminded of it in the last server merge as that dwarf ended up as one of my remaining characters, so she still exists.
Guys let's make a big alliance on Naia and Chronos too and let's destroy the X, ITT and Nova. If we fight against them all together they will 0 against us:)
And if you can't do anything because the rest of the clans are too "uninterested".. or maybe even bribed.. and they don't want to fight.
For example, take lolvesto.
What they say:
- We are so "pro".. we kill even top clans
- We are not afraid of anyone
- We don't suck up to anyone
What they do infact:
- They attack you, when you are alone and outnumbered. On equal numbers they BSOE/PR(except Takusan)
- Did I mention BSOE/PR?
- D4nce is known IG for not "sucking up" to anyone..
When I was in Angels(SH alt clan) we had 1-way war to them.. 4-5 parties in Angels.. and they didn't declare back.
Now.. I moved to my Clan, NoRemorse, where we have 1 party +2/3 persons hi level and some lowbies <70, first thing they do.. is throw a war at me... Honestly.. how can someone take these guys seriously?
While we have neutral clans like these.. nothing can be done to remove top bullies from the server.
At least I can say that NoRemorse had once a 2-way war with a Topclan.. and we fought. If you don't believe me.. ask Democratus and Luca... no it wasn't during sieges. This might happen again.
Yep, it's not possible today anymore, even when you consider "low" as a clean 75 with common A. You are not going to put a dent on any class full decked out.
Boss jewels and +19 gear ruined it, as much as the level penalty for skills. :D
What I want to see is PVP without Radar... block that and even a normal clan with 27 members with 82+ levels could get a castle from top clans. :)
We don't rely on those programs that you guys have problems with.
We just don't use them. Doesn't make any sense to use them to us.
What's the point of winning using 3rd program.. is it real win? don't make sense to us..
similare occasion happened when here on one of the servers.. i beleive it was gustin, a army of dwarfs managed to take a castle, took them a few tries and a few months to build up the army of nothing but dwarves... but they did it.
Granted back in the day when you could even at lvl 1 hit the highest lvl player for some decent amount.... today, it takes few lvl to have the accuracy to manage to hit them, element of some kind of manage any significant damage, and would take massive swarms to nearly instantly kill someone.
I'm well aware of the halariousness of about 50+ people on lowbies completely overwhelming pvpers to the point that the pvpers couldn't get much beyond the gates of gludin before being killed. Majority of the lowbies would be dwarves or orcs though, simply because they had high hp...
I perticipated in some of those utterly epic times when i had a chance, back when pvp would actually last more then just a couple of seconds if that. Back when you had to form a stategy and move together, today basically just either sneak up, zerg or completely overwhelm with excessive numbers... Completely a different game and not nearly as fun....
this reminds me of Sieghardts GoldenHorde, many Orcs in One clan against the whole server hehe
We don't rely on those programs that you guys have problems with.
We just don't use them. Doesn't make any sense to use them to us.
What's the point of winning using 3rd program.. is it real win? don't make sense to us..
I agree.. but tell that to our clans..
You target a healer:
- You go down, before you can use any skill
- You get auto-Agro'ed by party tank/bd/sws
You see a wartag:
- While you are buffing up - wartag BSOEs
- while you are buffing up - you get zergged
Just as examples... funniest part was that someone linked GCP in white chat..they had 500.. 2 min later or so.. in gate games.. he has like 40.. I wonder if he had a MP5 shooting at the key when he spams GCP(30hits/sec)...
Not only that.. but a lot more..
I also like bullies that say "You can't get me down..I have 75k CP!".. 5 minutes later they BSOE.. and when you ask why they BSOEd.. they trashtalk you on hero shout.. after saying "What's the problem of BSOEing from pvp?". Yes.. hero evalolpwnz.. from Naia.
WTB Real pvpers back to this game.. or a Korean VPN... :|
When you click on the picture you can enlarge it and fully enjoy the Socialist Realism style of painting. Associations with the South Korean people getting rid of the US-backed military regime in 1987 are intended :D
This all changes come GoD update with the PK/Karma changes.
You now drop even augmented weapons and jewels when you have more then 31 pks. You can no longer "die off the karma". Only way to remove Karma now is by gaining xp so means they can't just pk you go red and bsoe to clan hall and be killed and wash their karma.
I think this is a big hit to the "PvP" clans in their bullying tactics they have to think if its worth their time to pk you now.
This all changes come GoD update with the PK/Karma changes.
You now drop even augmented weapons and jewels when you have more then 31 pks. You can no longer "die off the karma". Only way to remove Karma now is by gaining xp so means they can't just pk you go red and bsoe to clan hall and be killed and wash their karma.
I think this is a big hit to the "PvP" clans in their bullying tactics they have to think if its worth their time to pk you now.
I pk ppl from all clans, top or not.. and always wash off Karma in XP. :)
BSOEs and PRs are for avoiders... in my const, nobody has PR skill or augment. :)
When you click on the picture you can enlarge it and fully enjoy the Socialist Realism style of painting. Associations with the South Korean people getting rid of the US-backed military regime in 1987 are intended :D
Nice Yidao, I was actually looking for this to post. Thanks.;)
It's to honor those who stood against the DK clan.
Again, it's so legendary that lowbies and normal PvE'rs stood against the strong clan that were controlling everything.
i think there was an ally of nonbotters against the strong pvp botters who claimed the good pve hunting areas in the history of almost every server in NA .. at last it was on Erica.
but if that kind of zerg ever happend in NA, every zergling would have been banned by NC in those days.
I was in Sharpedge clan and we were holding Dion Castle, was one of the most funniest castle sieges i had in l2 this was back in C2. Mainly IC was people 75 lvl and in Sharpedge you had like few guys 75 lvl and mainly 55-65 lvl people :). The whole trick was that we dropped so much adena in front area after 1 st doors that no matter where you clicked you just couldn't move cose you were picking up adena , a side of fact it was causing lags to anyone who was entering , after this NCsoft added a rule against such a thing as massive dropping items but this was still Epic cose we defened it with less people and with lower lvl. Was funny later cose they were sending Dwarfs and Tank just to spam pick up adena so others can enter after :)
For sure L2 aint what it use to be, tho GoD might bring back but also lose some people, we will see what will time show.
Haven't seen a single anakim transform while pvp in GOD yet.
Don't know why. But PvP is finally fun again..:D
That´s all i want to hear! :D
I pray to "GoD" to make pvp fun again here in american servers! :D
We don't rely on those programs that you guys have problems with.
We just don't use them. Doesn't make any sense to use them to us.
What's the point of winning using 3rd program.. is it real win? don't make sense to us..
Well... I sence that using pvp programs is not mostly about winning the fight... its more about winnin the control and the profit of the game.
U have control... u gain adena... u sell adena... u make dollars...
dunno.. thats just an insight
What I want to see is PVP without Radar... block that and even a normal clan with 27 members with 82+ levels could get a castle from top clans. :)
+1 to that
Blocking radar would be good thing for Gaming community but not good for someones pocket...And no1 can say it can't be blocked cose i know other places manage to block it with constant updates.
this reminds me of Sieghardts GoldenHorde, many Orcs in One clan against the whole server hehe
GoldenHorde was very funny, all those Orcs hehe, good times.
Anyone remember Sieghardt IC vs DarkStorm :)
I was in Sharpedge clan and we were holding Dion Castle, was one of the most funniest castle sieges i had in l2 this was back in C2. Mainly IC was people 75 lvl and in Sharpedge you had like few guys 75 lvl and mainly 55-65 lvl people :). The whole trick was that we dropped so much adena in front area after 1 st doors that no matter where you clicked you just couldn't move cose you were picking up adena , a side of fact it was causing lags to anyone who was entering , after this NCsoft added a rule against such a thing as massive dropping items but this was still Epic cose we defened it with less people and with lower lvl. Was funny later cose they were sending Dwarfs and Tank just to spam pick up adena so others can enter after :)
For sure L2 aint what it use to be, tho GoD might bring back but also lose some people, we will see what will time show.
Yes I do remember this, though I do remember being annoyed at the Adena lol.
People had ressurected this technique a few times, with things such as Xmas Trees
similare occasion happened when here on one of the servers.. i beleive it was gustin, a army of dwarfs managed to take a castle, took them a few tries and a few months to build up the army of nothing but dwarves... but they did it.
Granted back in the day when you could even at lvl 1 hit the highest lvl player for some decent amount.... today, it takes few lvl to have the accuracy to manage to hit them, element of some kind of manage any significant damage, and would take massive swarms to nearly instantly kill someone.
I'm well aware of the halariousness of about 50+ people on lowbies completely overwhelming pvpers to the point that the pvpers couldn't get much beyond the gates of gludin before being killed. Majority of the lowbies would be dwarves or orcs though, simply because they had high hp...
I perticipated in some of those utterly epic times when i had a chance, back when pvp would actually last more then just a couple of seconds if that. Back when you had to form a stategy and move together, today basically just either sneak up, zerg or completely overwhelm with excessive numbers... Completely a different game and not nearly as fun.... http://www.jack.dds.nl/l2/interlude/lionnadwarf.jpg
oh my that brings back memories...
I read about it on the forum and decided to make a dorf on that server just to join in on the fun - BEST SIEGE EVER.+1
Yes, I was there too with a lvl 8 dwarfette. I was reminded of it in the last server merge as that dwarf ended up as one of my remaining characters, so she still exists.
:D
Blocking radar would be good thing for Gaming community but not good for someones pocket...And no1 can say it can't be blocked cose i know **** load of private servers that manage to block it with constant updates.
It's just a tiny bit of assembly programming into l2.exe.. everyone knows that.. except L2Devs.
Well.. if anyone is interested.. we could do the same thing on Naia and Chronos.
Get rid of Nova, SH, X.. and return the game to the real players.. :)
Something similar have happened at Teon during golden era of Unity clan (Union ally).
There were two top powers X vs ITT (current SH)
Majority of us (Union ally) were 70-75 when top had already 78 (it was max those time I think)
No elements on weapons, just fields of DC nukers and Maj Archers ;)
That gone but it was best time .. at least for me
And truth was we were able to keep castles and fight with combined forces of Non factors every siege.
Non factors had always 2-3 castles, apart of it even if most of us were not top power we had respect.
I remember once some ITT guy (Prince I think?) PK'ed me in Varka.
2 min later I got Brez from other ITT and got next Brez as 'repair' :)
Ehh can you imagine it now?
Or we were exping in IT (L room), full party all A grade (damm as hard!).
Few X came and 'asked' if would not go .....
There was some tension but they haven't attacked and after 20 min they left
Can you imagin one of best spots in game left to non-factors?
But due to changes in game I think it is very hard now to make.
One well geared 85, not DD, even not well buffed can wipe full party of 80-.
Not annoyed with PK except for perm reds. With standard players it will cause them more effort to work off karma than the couple % I lost from PK. I chuckle and go back to grinding.
Then there are a couple perm reds that roam the place. Those guys annoy me. As there is no down side for their actions.
Blocking radar would be good thing for Gaming community but not good for someones pocket...And no1 can say it can't be blocked cose i know other places manage to block it with constant updates.
U do realize that those places, already being illegal, don't try to follow the laws of the countries the game is played in?
Also, if they block it on Naia/Chronos, the developer of that program, that is actually making tons of money off it, is more inclined to change stuff to make it not blocked, than if some random illegal places changes something to block it.
Asking you to think things through seems to be asking too much, so I won't.
PK's will not be as hard to get rid of as many people think. It will only take large amounts of fame, but top players siege and play olys anyway. I doubt getting big amounts of fame will be hard for them. They will not need to exceed the 31 limit so often (if any).
No what annoys me is during TW people claiming want to "pvp" come and take out your flags at a fort even though they are signed to the same TW as you and cannot attack you?
Whats the point of taking someone's flag out if you cannot attack them? What pvp is that?
In reality they cannot beat Nova on chronus and are sore losers. 1 Clan has all the wards on Chronus but the castle clans don't even try to get them back they rather kill pve clans without castles lol
No what annoys me is during TW people claiming want to "pvp" come and take out your flags at a fort even though they are signed to the same TW as you and cannot attack you?
Whats the point of taking someone's flag out if you cannot attack them? What pvp is that?
In reality they cannot beat Nova on chronus and are sore losers. 1 Clan has all the wards on Chronus but the castle clans don't even try to get them back they rather kill pve clans without castles lol
Yup, they prefer to make ***** out of themselves and kill any chances of having those clans actually helping them take on Nova.
Well..... No,this cant happen.Being in both type of clans,i can assure you that.
Myself solo with d/s , always wiped full party of medium clans in every siege.The difference of lvls and medimum gear makes even tanks 2-3 hits.
Only noob tanks.. any min decent tank when he sees a nuker he pops skills.. and the nuker has to run.. :P
This was long time ago :p
SH soon turned into a worst version of dominating clan isnt so?
DH still doing well without making ''friends'' for epic bosses,you should join us :)
Yeah.. atm SH is the top bully.. (not clan).. in Naia. Their own arrogance will kill them.
Look at their lolrecruiting policy... they kicked top trustworthy parties that would defend the clan at any cost.. but instead they accepted parties that don't care if they are SH/X/etc... and parties that will PR at first sight.. happened to me once.. full party.. the party I was in spotted Troy party in radar.. and they say "PR NOW".. I'm like.. wtf? Did I join a PVP clan or a neutral?
Then they go like this:
%RandomSH: PR MOARRR
%RandomSH: Cry More X?
Are they trying to lie to themselves?
Even I pmed Troy after that and said.. "FFS.. stupid avoiders.. :|"
Only noob tanks.. any min decent tank when he sees a nuker he pops skills.. and the nuker has to run.. :P
|"
There's nothing noob on being 82-.
If you refer to small-medium pve clans,then these guys wont have 3X120 armors,cant wear vorpal jewles,dont have epics and have the dmg penalty of 3+lower lvls enemy.I'm necro(transfer pain and on maximum c.speed).They die like flies.
So anyone who hopes that without pvp programs,bringing 20 toons 80 something with moirai is enough to take castle from pvp clan with 6-10 partys of 85lvl strong toons,simply dreams :)
To beat a pvp clan,you need to become yourself pvper and play with pvpers.
If you refer to small-medium pve clans,then these guys wont have 3X120 armors,cant wear vorpal jewles,dont have epics and have the dmg penalty of 3+lower lvls enemy.I'm necro(transfer pain and on maximum c.speed).They die like flies.
I know quite some small/medium pve people that have a lot better gear then top clans even with RMT. Some of them stroll around in this forum.. and one of them.. a class most call "lol".. made X bring a full party to kill her. So.. yeah.. loltop..
So anyone who hopes that without pvp programs,bringing 20 toons 80 something with moirai is enough to take castle from pvp clan with 6-10 partys of 85lvl strong toons,simply dreams :)
Again.. you are wrong... and you simply keep forgetting that most "top" usually don't have right players on favourite classes.. they play what they RMT for a party.. or what party forces them to play. Then you have complete cases like evapwnz, Napal, lurk, dismart, among other.
To beat a pvp clan,you need to become yourself pvper and play with pvpers.
To beat a PVP clan.. what you need is a mentality change. Stand your ground against bullies.. and they will stop messing with you.
Your words remind me of the current world bullies.. and their puny attempt to control it through misinformation.. but when action is needed.. they get qqrolled and become silent.