why NC wont open new server, new ppls wont start play from 0 on server where all 85/80/80/80 5/5 epics and 30/15 skills, ppls wont come back to play on server where always same, same ppls, same clans, nothing new, where need only adena to buy all epics, need buy adena and buy epics and you are in top, now situation is ppls bored to play on Naia, no motivation to play and i dont think GOD will change something, imo open new server ints will be very interesting and i think many ppls want start play or come back on EU, i make this topic mb if many ppls vote for new server NC will think about it, coz now EU is dies and NC have not new ideas to return interest of people to EU
yep no1 want to start on 7 years old server
nc w8 too see if population will increase so much on GoD so new server will be needed...kinda good joke
anyway communication between Nc and community is 0 and always was the same...they never listen to our opinions and i believe most of them dont have a clue about this game...
What is wrong with 7 years old server? You can make 85/80/80/80 in relatively short time, gear is not expensive to buy so what is the problem? There will always be someone who is better than you unless you invest enough time in playing, no matter if on old or freshly new server. If you open new server then for sure in short time there will be people who will play 24/7 and again will be ahead from you. Then what? Open another new server?
And please, dont speak for all other people, "all ppl want this, all ppl dont want that". YOU want that, not all people.
i play here 5 years and was always in top, was many times hero and now im bored and many ppls bored and i talk not about only me, now i leave coz Naia is dead server
What is wrong with 7 years old server? You can make 85/80/80/80 in relatively short time, gear is not expensive to buy so what is the problem? There will always be someone who is better than you unless you invest enough time in playing, no matter if on old or freshly new server. If you open new server then for sure in short time there will be people who will play 24/7 and again will be ahead from you. Then what? Open another new server?
And please, dont speak for all other people, "all ppl want this, all ppl dont want that". YOU want that, not all people.
mby bcuz is hard to play alone till high lvl?
mby bcuz is very hard to find some1 to party up bcuz all are 80+
mby bcuz ppl like fresh start
mby bcuz ppl are bored to play always against same enemies
about your last sentence:that's why he made a poll,to see who want and who dont
What is wrong with 7 years old server? You can make 85/80/80/80 in relatively short time, gear is not expensive to buy so what is the problem? There will always be someone who is better than you unless you invest enough time in playing, no matter if on old or freshly new server. If you open new server then for sure in short time there will be people who will play 24/7 and again will be ahead from you. Then what? Open another new server?
And please, dont speak for all other people, "all ppl want this, all ppl dont want that". YOU want that, not all people.
Problem of 7 years server is not that hard/easy make 85/80/80/80, problem that we don't have enough new player who start play now. Its always same guys. May be for some neutral playing on dead server is funny, but for many ppl its boring. No one want start playing here or come back play here.
why NC wont open new server, new ppls wont start play from 0 on server where all 85/80/80/80 5/5 epics and 30/15 skills, ppls wont come back to play on server where always same, same ppls, same clans, nothing new, where need only adena to buy all epics, need buy adena and buy epics and you are in top, now situation is ppls bored to play on Naia, no motivation to play and i dont think GOD will change something, imo open new server ints will be very interesting and i think many ppls want start play or come back on EU, i make this topic mb if many ppls vote for new server NC will think about it, coz now EU is dies and NC have not new ideas to return interest of people to EU
Assuming that tomorrow a new euro server opens why you think any newcomer will have better chance?
Many constant or big clan who play on naia will also createe chars there and they will be way more organised than any new player. They will exp more efficiently and in less than a month they will have create the same power defference that exists already in naia.
Being organised will give them the ability to lvl up faster than other, kill bosses first, take heroes first....
A player that starts now wont be able to compite to them no matter how good he is. They would have both knowledge and being organised. This would only move pvp to lower lvls for a short period of time nothing more nothing less.
As for GOD if you think about it its like a new beggining, yet some may have better equip, most serveris at 85 100% and now comes new areas new quests new lvls and new skills.
mby bcuz is hard to play alone till high lvl?
mby bcuz is very hard to find some1 to party up bcuz all are 80+
mby bcuz ppl like fresh start
mby bcuz ppl are bored to play always against same enemies
about your last sentence:that's why he made a poll,to see who want and who dont
I soloed as prophet to 78 and still going up, without problems. So where exactly is it hard to play alone? While soloexping I meet many players every day on hunting grounds so I doubt that you cant meen anyone because all are 80+. Moreover in god there will be better party matching system so you can get pt even easier.
If people want to make fresh start then make new char, no need to periodically start new servers.
I dont understand what is wrong with having same enemies for long time. From what you wrote it seems like you are new player if you complain about difficult exping till high lvl and not finding parties so how can you complain about playing always against same enemies? Even so, what is so difficult about opening new wars? There are plenty of clans, so war them!
why NC wont open new server, new ppls wont start play from 0 on server where all 85/80/80/80 5/5 epics and 30/15 skills, ppls wont come back to play on server where always same, same ppls, same clans, nothing new, where need only adena to buy all epics, need buy adena and buy epics and you are in top, now situation is ppls bored to play on Naia, no motivation to play and i dont think GOD will change something, imo open new server ints will be very interesting and i think many ppls want start play or come back on EU, i make this topic mb if many ppls vote for new server NC will think about it, coz now EU is dies and NC have not new ideas to return interest of people to EU
It isn't right. Example I really hate to start something from 0. When I tried an MMO I always searched the oldest servers, never started on new servers. It is the best if u study from the most skilled players. Can you explain me, that why many MMO has 7-8 years old servers also and they have new players?
Also I'm high level character too and I try to help to newbies also my clan too. Yes harder to find party nowadays, because lesser the number of new players, but they can leveling faster, also not tons of bots in the game as 4-5 years ago. So if you boring turn time to help to others.
Yes, you right nowadays the life in the top clans is boring, but first of all because the "top" clans under years use and used always cheats, this is why they got everything much faster and now not really have a part of them nothing what they can get, because on illegal way they already get it.
Why simple in the top clan members not so much humanity that doesn't cheat in a game what is about fun.
Now maybe 20% of top clan population play actively, while another 10% just login to the bigger events. Same the situation in the middle or little clans, but their ratio is better, but they have much more causal player who just login really short times.
Problem will start again when the "top" clans will start cheat again in the GD that they can stay the "top" clans. So if the NCwest make same good anti XP and farmer bot progress as in the last 1-1,5 years, "top" clans will be dead in the first month if they make same good work against pvp cheaters "top" clans will be dead in 2 weeks.
No need here new server, just some humanity first of all from the players!
yep no1 want to start on 7 years old server
nc w8 too see if population will increase so much on GoD so new server will be needed...kinda good joke
anyway communication between Nc and community is 0 and always was the same...they never listen to our opinions and i believe most of them dont have a clue about this game...
The communication is quite, good. But you need to understand too, that Moxie or Sace can't decide or talk about everything, be bosses who has higher rank than their and if this or these bosses says, that no need new server because the currently servers goes in light/normal traffic, than they can't open if they want, if they doesn't want. Also these bosses can say to them what about they can talk. The third thing, that nothing work from one day to next day, they need time to develop something what is really useful.
Also NCwest need watch the global rights first of all the rights of US, European Union and Canada. So it is not so easy, than control something by 1 right or rule as the Korea, Russia etc.
But I give up to you a question let's think about it and answer also can answer another peoples to it!
So nowadays many peoples says why the NCwest doesn't install Frost defender system (what Russia has) to their servers.
If NCwest say tomorrow, that they will install this system, but in your country it is against the rights, so decide, that block your country, would you like, that NCwest install that system?
Everyone could play and could have better fun except you or the peoples from your country.
Would you like it?
The communication is quite, good. But you need to understand too, that Moxie or Sace can't decide or talk about everything, be bosses who has higher rank than their and if this or these bosses says, that no need new server because the currently servers goes in light/normal traffic, than they can't open if they want, if they doesn't want. Also these bosses can say to them what about they can talk. The third thing, that nothing work from one day to next day, they need time to develop something what is really useful.
Also NCwest need watch the global rights first of all the rights of US, European Union and Canada. So it is not so easy, than control something by 1 right or rule as the Korea, Russia etc.
But I give up to you a question let's think about it and answer also can answer another peoples to it!
So nowadays many peoples says why the NCwest doesn't install Frost defender system (what Russia has) to their servers.
If NCwest say tomorrow, that they will install this system, but in your country it is against the rights, so decide, that block your country, would you like, that NCwest install that system?
Everyone could play and could have better fun except you or the peoples from your country.
Would you like it?
Because I guess, you wouldn't like it.
frost is sux and ru off sux, many ppls now understood this and they want start to play but not on server where they cant find party on 60 or 70, we have a lot of examples ppls start play and leave very fast.
ofc Moxie or Sace cant decide alone, but they can report to bosses, I am sure that all agree need something change and mb its will be f2p like on ru off or something else, mb new server
new server = new bot trains = good $$$ irl for train conductors.. and in the end all transfer to teon(naia atm). even from chronos top clan transfering to EU server..
and btw after merge i was only 81 or 82lvl w/ 1 sub and only one epic. :) now i have 3of them (5 if count tw/oly).. so yes. need new server.
Unless the game in our servers doesnt get fixed according to korean/russian model,L2 wont live in any officiel server of our kind as we have discussed so many times on this forum.
In short words,either we have to pay for more xp/drops/items through some system like coins and have game f2p,or if pay for the game,x1 rates must change to x3-4 rates for xp/drops/spoil/q items unless you want to reach 80 lvl and still wear a grade.That's what the bot-rmt was covering all these years.
The only people that want a new server are either those that got ban hammered or those that cashed in, sold their gear/accounts for RL cash and moved to Innova. The population doesn't warrant a new server. And your 3 friends don't warrant a new server either.
the only way to make a new server with success and many ppl is to make it f2p like l2.ru have 12 (i think) servers full of ppl low on bots (they have bots but not that many) because of the antibot system, You cannot tell to ppl not to bot when l2eu/na is a 7 year botting story
Obviously thy don't think it will be finacial viable. They don't think that hundreds of new players will start playing to the new server just because it is new. You may need to check the notes describing the need for the last big server merge.
As for starting on an existing server, it is much easier to go 85/80/80/80 today (and gear up) than it was in C4 to go 78/78.
mby bcuz is hard to play alone till high lvl?
mby bcuz is very hard to find some1 to party up bcuz all are 80+
mby bcuz ppl like fresh start
mby bcuz ppl are bored to play always against same enemies
about your last sentence:that's why he made a poll,to see who want and who dont
All reasons why I will hop to Innova EU servers at launch in December. Fresh start, no broken economy (ahum - building a new one I mean), no eBuyed gear, no botted mats/money (yes, Innova will use that stealth anti-bot thingy on EU servers). I only hope that the CS won't be game-breaking though...
for me is big problem this "we will be moving the physical location of the European server (Naia) to North America" i dont have some gamepr0 PC and net connection...if i go try on chronos i have rly bad ping and if naia go to north america it will be same...i don't move to america just to play game. It was EU server..why now change it w/o solution for people from EU
Cos NCwest lost the competition vs. Innova.
Thats in no way a partnership. NC only realized that Innova will open EU servers too and now they are scared like hell and dunno what to do.
They simply keep on going to fail in every possible way.
You could change the size of fonts by modifying it through the contorl panel of Windows, I just don't know how :)
iknow how to do that but not only the size of fonts is the problem...chars and everything is smaller and is anoying for me
can we move our accounts our stuff our chars to new server??? if yes what's the problem?
If not.... waw NCSoft is killing us.... grrr NCSoft PK :mad:
tbh i hope not. A start for every1 with equal lvls will be lot of fun.
Back to the "i play more hours then u" or "i xp smarter then u" times which made l2 that good.
(Cos ppl seem to forget, that there is still the whole cheat thing going on on NCwest)
i have not the courage to start from 0 lvl again i am playing 5 years this game so i spended a LOT adenna to maximize my toon its not fair just to leave it for innova.. they can find a solution but as always NC doesnt care for his players.. what if i am paying NC for 5 + years? what if i spended so many time to bring at a good point my toon? they just dont give a **** about us many ppl will quit for that reason , they just took the money from innova and let their players without any help.. u want L2 at eu server? start from 0 and burn everythink that u was trying to do 5 years now.. epic fail nc now u can see why ppl is quitting .. i hope in the end they will do the right think and they will save somethnk from all this mess
You are absolutely right!
While we cannot tell a company what to do, they are free to do as they like, we can judge them though on the way they treat their customers. We have invested money, time and effort to bring our characters to the level they are now.
Moving us on NAIA to US is not an option that is acceptable. Give us some options!!!!
Are you saying they are moving Naia to Chronos, or are you saying they are moving the servers physical location to the US (with higher pings but still same siege times etc)?
They are moving Naia to a US datacenter, not changing the siege times to US. They did pretty much the same thing with the Australian Aion server a while ago, it remained "australian" just housed in Houston
They are moving Naia to a US datacenter, not changing the siege times to US. They did pretty much the same thing with the Australian Aion server a while ago, it remained "australian" just housed in Houston
Well at th emoment yes.. BUT judging from people being furius and mass quiting from Naia soon max activity will be the same like Luna before closing.When this hapens we know what NcWest do.... merge.
i think you can imagine with time zone they will use if a company in NA have to choose between two time zones.
forcing NA TW/Siege play times etc. on Naia once it's "back" in the USA will only make more and more people quit, hope they're smarter then that..
and in case they're not as I've learned anything is possible by now with NC West I've already canceled all payment plans except that of my main but that one is on a monthly refresh anyways so easy to kill when the time comes.
-4 accounts unless Naia stays "EU" and that's just me, many friends are taking the same approach to this situation..
hope they're smarter then that..
They are losing the EU market of the 3rd most played P2P because they only manage to lose population.
They closed Lineage 1, the game which allowed Korea to boost exceptionnally its revenues.
They managed to fail the US launch of the 2nd most played P2P.
How smart is that?
I have total trust in NCsoft West to fail their hybrid system and have to close their F2P L2.
Obviously thy don't think it will be finacial viable. They don't think that hundreds of new players will start playing to the new server just because it is new. You may need to check the notes describing the need for the last big server merge.
As for starting on an existing server, it is much easier to go 85/80/80/80 today (and gear up) than it was in C4 to go 78/78.
Also what people dont realize I think is that they are giving up on the EU. They are making from Naia a US server. With free to play they will move in new american players and that is it. You can see this from the following statement:
Q: I heard that Innova will be the new official service provider for Lineage II in Europe when Goddess of Destruction launches. What does that mean for me?
A: NCsoft West will continue to support Lineage II in all aspects of the business in North America and will retain existing European players. In order to preserve the active Lineage II community, we will be moving the physical location of the European server (Naia) to North America. Any new European players can choose to start new characters on either service.
1st) Obviously they don't preserve EU citizens like this, so they must be aiming for US citizens.
2nd) Innova has no reason to give you a transfer, even if they could make it happen. They will earn loads of money with you buying items to get 85 again.
3rd) Also all top clan will be on top again because they have the big spenders. People without a premium account can't compete with the former 85s with connections, money, time and knowledge on their side. Who probably are already building a char on an innova server and transfer this to the new server when it comes.
It is not that I care about them doing this, since I am kind of a casual player. But lets not joke ourselves and think that you will have a better chance now with a new server.
2nd) Innova has no reason to give you a transfer, even if they could make it happen. They will earn loads of money with you buying items to get 85 again.
Actually, Innova has reasons to welcome our already developped characters to one of their new servers, but NC West also has reasons not to allow it. So the reasons to make us start from scratch are most likely stronger for Innova than the reasons to allow transfers. I'd say that NC West has less reasons to let EU characters transfer than Innova has to allow it.
Sace has already told some ppl in pm's that Naia will get the same timezone settings as Chronos upon move, don't know why she hasn't announce it yet though as it's kind of a big thing to gloss over.. I personally hope they don't do it..
Another thing to consider which I have mentioned in the past is that the upcoming updates require the game to have at least 2 active servers so if they do end up merging Naia with Chronos well that's basically saying no more future updates for NA..
check my comments about NCWest still needing 2 game servers to keep the game viable for the future updates from Korea.. else it's going to be the same as for Lineage1.
that means allowing server transfers to Innova isn't in their best interest..