I cannot release any information that has not yet been finalized, but I can tell you that the current status is the same as before: we are going through the gradual refining phases of testing GD, we are still finalizing the details related to Play Your Way, and, as these two are related, we do not yet have a finalized release date. The reason we do not share the unfinalized details is to manage expectations and to avoid excessive speculation. I realize that speculation is unavoidable overall, but to, for example, say that we're thinking about a particular date and then it not happen does not create a good player experience either.
I assure you we are making progress daily and we will have official announcements about the details (and there are a lot of them) as soon as possible. I'm afraid there is nothing more we can say at this time, but it will come.
Finalized by whom? What is your idea of a gradual refining process? What constitutes as finalized information? Clearly your superiors have given you your marching orders. The people working on each section aren't doing them at their leisure but on a set schedule under contract. Why can't you just be honest with your playerbase for once in your company's miserable life? After 7 years of misleading, misdirecting, and delaying content and information in order to achieve extremely nearsighted and short term goals, are you really going to continue the tradition that has destroyed one of the most successful mmorpgs of all time for this region while it enters it's twilight years? Today marked the most people ever logging in since 2009, do you really think we are going to stick around for 2 more months waiting on soon? They quit before, and they will quit again. You've run out of cheap events, subscription gimmicks, and free hats. Time to do the job the community expects from you. Give us information. Tell us what we want to know. Stop wasting our time with your empty statements that have zero substance. You are making daily progress? Sounds exciting, let's see some examples of it. You have enough time to generate codes on twitter, why not throw up a screenshot from your internal test server? You know, so we have proof rather than your word.
As for you smittie, they got what they deserved. Actually, they deserved a lot more. You can't lead people on for two weeks, tell them to show up somewhere and then leave them hanging. They messed up and the player base held them to it. Ncsoft doing wrong and being symbolically punished for it doesn't give them an excuse to not do their job. Maybe we are just working under a faulty assumption. Maybe Sace's job isn't to tell us useful information and keep us informed. Who do we talk to then, to get that information? Who finalized your forum posts, Sace? I think we would all be better off just skipping the middle man. You first advertised Goddess as coming soon in April. By any stretch of the word, you've gone beyond soon. The expectation of a fall release brings to mind August, September or October. Not the end of fall when there is snow on the ground and everyone else but the calendar made 2000 years ago thinks it's winter. It goes without saying that "fall" isn't an actual time frame and varies from region to region. And as we are constantly reminded, we aren't koreans living in a single time zone.
Besides, why do you need to finalize anything before you put it up on the test server? Fine, you need to gradually finalize the widgets and cogs for a live release, but what's the excuse for not having it up on pts? After 7 years, do you really think we haven't figured out that the main purpose of pts isnt to test but rather to squeeze another month out of us and collectively waste our time? Let's end this charade and get some stuff accomplished!
Approximately a year ago, on our Czech forum appeared the first information about GoD. Now, a year later we havent any info about PTS. I know that in Korea have everything before us, but srly ... you please be patient, but look at what messages you give us. And you wonder that we are angry. Something must change here, but we (players) are not a problem.
Not that I like NCW service... but please be realistic.
NCW is not doing development of GoD.
If you would be software developer you would know how does it work.
They got GoD source somewhere in April/May.
They localized it did some tests .. and when they were almost ready ... NC Korea did major upgrade upon finding during PTS.
So next round. When you are close ... PTS Ruoff brings new stuff.
So now we have next round.
Tbh now you are laughing about dupe in RuOff.
Do you really want have all those errors?
Or maybe wait 1-2 months to get version free from those KNOWN errors?
Innova work way - they know errors, know risk and go for it.
NCW seem to be more pragmatic ... and ofc as result slower.
I'm not mad nor disappointed about GoD progress.
I do work in that area, and I know that finding error is just matter of time of testing.
I know products what had been developed in 3 months and tested .. 2 years ... by 3 independent teams ... and during implementation it turns out it was an error :D
I would say bigger problem is all other decisions and commitments what NCW did/doing and don't want to share with customers....
P.S. Anyway Sace I guess you do work with some plan .. so maybe just small insight to development plan?
You know there are two principle models of development.
Lets call them:
"Bing Bang" method : All has to be released in one time tested and accepted by all parties.
It is old fashion model what was good 10-20 years ago when half of a year was nothing as life cycle of product was 5-10 years.
That is way how NCW seem to work.
"Fix at fly" method : Developed in OpenSource when demand of new product was so big that waiting for final product would never be successfully. They manage to turn biggest weakness (lack of solid system tests) into biggest advantage, product is adopted almost at daily bases (look at Mozilla).
First approach gives reasonable good product ... after half a year, 2nd daily updates, critical patches etc.
To change approach NCW should change way of development.
Maybe new CO would change it, Sace for sure not :)
Only what could be good right now is just to publish rough plan of product implementation.
As result developers/testers have some stress to keep deadlines.
On other hand plan have one excellent feature : is easy to change :D
In my opinion instead of PTS/GOD update info i prefer to know other things...
1) Naia will be for sure relocated in America = high ping for Europe?
2) Time of Naia will stay as now?
3) As soon as possibile can we know the "hybrid method"?
4) How Ncwest think to bring new ppl in the server when "innova" will do FreetoPlay server? Is normaly that an european ppl that must to start from zero will chose 99% INNOVA...if Ncwest don't give something more to customers.
5) When you plan to explain to all what will be? Not all read forum, not all know what will be...
As i told, i stopped for now to pay my account, not because i don't want to play more L2, but because until i don't know what will happen in NAIA server, i will not pay more for a server that i don't know what will be in 1-2mounth. i save my money for something else, and when i see what will be the news, prob i will decide if subcrive again or not here, change game or play in Innova.
And i think many player like me stopped payment about of this. They want to know what will be the future of this server.
1) what will be the plain for delete cheater, botter, ranger user.
2) what will be the plain for eliminate boring of tw/siege with 1000 anakin.
3) what will be the plain for increase the amount of ppl playing...
@Sace : even if details are not finalized, some should be no ? May be it's minor, but if you say several times per week "We did that, and did that too. Now we will focus on that" you would be surprised how it will work well :)
@Sace : even if details are not finalized, some should be no ? May be it's minor, but if you say several times per week "We did that, and did that too. Now we will focus on that" you would be surprised how it will work well :)
Read this, Sace. Share what is finalized. If speculation is unavoidable, at least point the speculations in the correct way.
Not speculations about dates, but about systems. If you give to your crowd a reason and proves that everything will be better than ever with small updates, nearly half of the date speculators will rest their case.
I don't mind waiting if I know I'll get something better than it is.
Overrated Example: Say that GoD will go live in April 2012 but it will nerf Anakim's Scroll to have a 2 hour Reuse time per toon. In this case, at least one third of the people who are in rage will settle down.
Share little bits. Even if it is your bits. Like "Today I moderated the boards for a while when Marissa brought me some really cool material from GoD. I'll make some screenshots and errands on the test server to go with that material and post in our GoD Blog! We are so excited with this! You can't wait!"
Long story short: I don't know if you have time on your working day, but use that blog as blogs are to be used: Post in it. Frequently. Share your thoughts and the work on the update. Come closer to your community and blend with them by creating a felling of friendship. Make them accompany your work and even ask suggestions about the littlest things.
These are, as well, suggestions. At least, take your time to considerate what we are all saying (some with rage, some politely). Your customers aren't overall happy and you are their image of the company, for better and worst.
1) what will be the plain for delete cheater, botter, ranger user.
2) what will be the plain for eliminate boring of tw/siege with 1000 anakin.
3) what will be the plain for increase the amount of ppl playing...
1 - is too late and anyway they will do nothing
2 - they cannot just delete some scrolls that ppl payed a lot for(btw on innova servers anakim will be available from day1)
3 - any plan will fail since innova will open euro servers...ofc ppl will choose to start on fresh server instead of 7 years old servers
Finalized by whom? What is your idea of a gradual refining process? What constitutes as finalized information? Clearly your superiors have given you your marching orders. The people working on each section aren't doing them at their leisure but on a set schedule under contract. Why can't you just be honest with your playerbase for once in your company's miserable life? After 7 years of misleading, misdirecting, and delaying content and information in order to achieve extremely nearsighted and short term goals, are you really going to continue the tradition that has destroyed one of the most successful mmorpgs of all time for this region while it enters it's twilight years? Today marked the most people ever logging in since 2009, do you really think we are going to stick around for 2 more months waiting on soon? They quit before, and they will quit again. You've run out of cheap events, subscription gimmicks, and free hats. Time to do the job the community expects from you. Give us information. Tell us what we want to know. Stop wasting our time with your empty statements that have zero substance. You are making daily progress? Sounds exciting, let's see some examples of it. You have enough time to generate codes on twitter, why not throw up a screenshot from your internal test server? You know, so we have proof rather than your word.
As for you smittie, they got what they deserved. Actually, they deserved a lot more. You can't lead people on for two weeks, tell them to show up somewhere and then leave them hanging. They messed up and the player base held them to it. Ncsoft doing wrong and being symbolically punished for it doesn't give them an excuse to not do their job. Maybe we are just working under a faulty assumption. Maybe Sace's job isn't to tell us useful information and keep us informed. Who do we talk to then, to get that information? Who finalized your forum posts, Sace? I think we would all be better off just skipping the middle man. You first advertised Goddess as coming soon in April. By any stretch of the word, you've gone beyond soon. The expectation of a fall release brings to mind August, September or October. Not the end of fall when there is snow on the ground and everyone else but the calendar made 2000 years ago thinks it's winter. It goes without saying that "fall" isn't an actual time frame and varies from region to region. And as we are constantly reminded, we aren't koreans living in a single time zone.
Besides, why do you need to finalize anything before you put it up on the test server? Fine, you need to gradually finalize the widgets and cogs for a live release, but what's the excuse for not having it up on pts? After 7 years, do you really think we haven't figured out that the main purpose of pts isnt to test but rather to squeeze another month out of us and collectively waste our time? Let's end this charade and get some stuff accomplished!
Are you saying you would rather play a buggy game than wait a little bit longer and have a functioning one?
I understand where your disappointement comes from, but the anger and rage on this forum lately is getting out of hand.
It seems quite obvious that the game is finally on it's last legs in north America . The thing is that the players can handle the truth if they are at least provided with the truth and not speculation. We know the game will be free, with premium accounts...just say that and let people decide what they want to do..what accounts to close, what accounts to focus on...give us an idea as to how to prepare.....we do not need dynasty weapons to npc and trick us into resubbing to a time table that makes no sense with the GoD timetable ncwest has provided...
Give us something...and please not an event..give us just a little bit of truth..I think we deserve and can handle the truth.
Son, we live in a virtual world that has walls, and those walls have to be coded by men with iPads. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Whiner? They have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for God of Destruction, and you curse the developers. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what has to be tweaked. That October Bonanza Events, while tragic, probably saved subscriptions. And the forums existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves subscriptions. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want developers coding, you need developers coding. We use words like transparency, misleading, misdirecting, and delaying. Well most corporations use these words as the backbone of an advertising campaign selling something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain development and implementation to a community which rises and sleeps in the very virtual world that these developers provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a coding for dummies, and start coding. Either way, I don't give a **** what you think you are entitled to.
You Can't Handle The Truth!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGvQtumNAY)
Yeah... we know the truth is they will tell us what they can tell us when they can tell us. Why post asking for something you know they will not be able to deliver? They are not sitting at their desk waiting for the 212th request before handing over the information.
If darkest day will be Helloween in 5 days we get Innova F2P EU L2... i can imagine hows many ppl cant handle SOON tactics anymore and give up for fresh start there... U can do S grade toon in 50h of playing in GoD by quests... common items with SA etc. u will be ther 85 before NC WEST start PTS... sad sad...
IF NCWETS test bugs etc. why we always get PTS with old bugs from Korea ???
LF picture NCWEST STAFF & SACE testing anything in big room with many PC's... hard to prove ????
If darkest day will be Helloween in 5 days we get Innova F2P EU L2... i can imagine hows many ppl cant handle SOON tactics anymore and give up for fresh start there... U can do S grade toon in 50h of playing in GoD by quests... common items with SA etc. u will be ther 85 before NC WEST start PTS... sad sad...
IF NCWETS test bugs etc. why we always get PTS with old bugs from Korea ???
LF picture NCWEST STAFF & SACE testing anything in big room with many PC's... hard to prove ????
I'm sure we could find an old picture with NCSoft desks :P
I wish there were two forums. 1 for the people who play the game, and the other for the above posters who enjoy playing the forums. Oh I know, we could have those very easily. If ncsoft would just turn the ingame forums on, then the people who actually play the game and want to continue playing it in it's most update version can go there and have serious conversations, and the bitter people who spend all their work time posting here can do that without derailing our threads with their childish nonsense and side conversations that have no place here :)
I think giving the people more information would benefit the community more, and if there is a delay, tell us what the delay is. Some may be upset, but if we know the details perhaps there wouldn't be the need for threads such as the one listed above... unless you like reading all that **** and enjoy the extra visits/posts on the forums. That thread really doesn't have any valueble information, just a bunch of people smashing their keyboards wondering what the **** is going on to their game they play. Not only that but new threads like this are going to pop up aswell talking about the same thing.
I am one of those people who wont reactivate (Nov 1st.) untill I get solid details on the future of this game and no event will keep be playing. You and your **** "loyalty" plans are a joke, after 7+ years you are saying that because the community is upset and leaving... nice try NCwest.
I wish there were two forums. 1 for the people who play the game, and the other for the above posters who enjoy playing the forums. Oh I know, we could have those very easily. If ncsoft would just turn the ingame forums on, then the people who actually play the game and want to continue playing it in it's most update version can go there and have serious conversations, and the bitter people who spend all their work time posting here can do that without derailing our threads with their childish nonsense and side conversations that have no place here :)
I'm not sure who you refer to, but I do play (almost every day 1-3 h) and as well enjoy conversion here (not always) and still wish to stay at Naia.
About childish nonsense .. try to be a bit be less serious, it is dangerous to your health.
On other hand before you go rage ask yourself how you would behave in position of Sace being between hammer ... and hammer...
One thing to consider is that NCWest just lost a number of employees as well. I learned today, via Mashable, that there was a round of layoffs throughout the company.
It's not something we need concern ourselves with. Sace just said they are making daily progress, did that just change in one afternoon? Has the hidden schedule changed? Besides, Ncsoft laying off people to make more money is not something the playerbase should allow as an acceptable excuse for delaying an update they have been dangling over our heads since april. This is where transparency is important.
Fixed for great justice. Don't write so big posts.
They got GoD source somewhere in April/May.
They localized it did some tests .. and when they were almost ready ... NC Korea did major upgrade upon finding during PTS.
So next round. When you are close ... PTS Ruoff brings new stuff.
So now we have next round.
Tbh now you are laughing about dupe in RuOff.
Do you really want have all those errors?
Or maybe wait 1-2 months to get version free from those KNOWN errors?
P.S. Anyway Sace I guess you do work with some plan .. so maybe just small insight to development plan?
Can you tell me how NCW start some update BEFORE Innova? Or how NCW start updates in past when Innova had just private server and don't had any relations with NC?
On goha.ru you can find table of each NA/EU update date comparing to Korea. Till HF (or Freya) each update on EU/NA come in 100-120 days after release on Korean servers. But right now ...
Each bug fix don't require to remake translations and other localization.
From last 3-4 updates I hear same story "NCW will start PTS/Live later than Innova but w\o bugs", but in fact I see on our servers same bugs that I saw on Innova's servers.
Only one real PTS to find bugs - Korean PTS. Our PTS just to check localization. NCW not fixing bugs.
1-2 month to fix dupe bug? It can be done in 1 week but will be never done.
Do you remember crit bug? It was fixed in 1 week after being reported to NC. So during one week NC QA check this bug, confirm it, create fix and install on all servers. Andd you tell about 1-2 month? If I dont want to tell deadline I usually say "in march'83" xd
NCWest should wait Seoul to send us an US Version of the server
With GoD Update, we have see that Seoul was still working on fixing tons of things on their servers.
I'm not surprised to see it has been delayed here so :)
I cannot release any information that has not yet been finalized,
So release what has been finalized, and release non-information (like, what part of translation you're working on, which quests give you trouble because of cultural differences, what interesting new background history you found in NPC dialogue and so on).
Else others (Innova, Massively, The Escapist, ...) will do that for you.
So release what has been finalized, and release non-information (like, what part of translation you're working on, which quests give you trouble because of cultural differences, what interesting new background history you found in NPC dialogue and so on).
Else others (Innova, Massively, The Escapist, ...) will do that for you.
Exactly what I asked! :)
@ the News
Thing is worst than I though, if NCSoft Korea had to layoff people and restructure things out...
If they are moving people back to korea and going to coordinate some stuff from there, we could wait better things coming right? Right?
NCWest should wait Seoul to send us an US Version of the server
With GoD Update, we have see that Seoul was still working on fixing tons of things on their servers.
I'm not surprised to see it has been delayed here so :)
Oh, rly? So you tell us that NCW dont make any localization but just waiting NCK to make localization and send to NCW for just an installation.
In this case there is no reason to ask Sace about progress, coz they plan is:
1. Get ready-to-install update from NCK
2. Install it
3. ...
4. Profit!
And looks like they stuck on #1.
But I think that it's NCW who responsible for localization.
Actually Innova dont hide information when they got GoD update so we can see how much time company need for localization. I belive that NCW get same update in ~same time. And NCK never send "new version with couple bug fixed". NCK send just patch to fix bugs but not full version. And installation of this patches dont takes to much time and happen together with update installation.
Some bugs/balance issues/etc can be founded in 1 week, 1 month or 1 year, so there is no sense to wait untill NCK will create "fully fixed update version". This will never happen - bugs always exist and just waiting for players to find them.
just tell us when Ncwest launch GoD pts or live. not fall or winter, but month and +/- week of that month. :rolleyes:
This:
Finalized by whom? What is your idea of a gradual refining process? What constitutes as finalized information? Clearly your superiors have given you your marching orders. The people working on each section aren't doing them at their leisure but on a set schedule under contract. Why can't you just be honest with your playerbase for once in your company's miserable life? After 7 years of misleading, misdirecting, and delaying content and information in order to achieve extremely nearsighted and short term goals, are you really going to continue the tradition that has destroyed one of the most successful mmorpgs of all time for this region while it enters it's twilight years? Today marked the most people ever logging in since 2009, do you really think we are going to stick around for 2 more months waiting on soon? They quit before, and they will quit again. You've run out of cheap events, subscription gimmicks, and free hats. Time to do the job the community expects from you. Give us information. Tell us what we want to know. Stop wasting our time with your empty statements that have zero substance. You are making daily progress? Sounds exciting, let's see some examples of it. You have enough time to generate codes on twitter, why not throw up a screenshot from your internal test server? You know, so we have proof rather than your word.
As for you smittie, they got what they deserved. Actually, they deserved a lot more. You can't lead people on for two weeks, tell them to show up somewhere and then leave them hanging. They messed up and the player base held them to it. Ncsoft doing wrong and being symbolically punished for it doesn't give them an excuse to not do their job. Maybe we are just working under a faulty assumption. Maybe Sace's job isn't to tell us useful information and keep us informed. Who do we talk to then, to get that information? Who finalized your forum posts, Sace? I think we would all be better off just skipping the middle man. You first advertised Goddess as coming soon in April. By any stretch of the word, you've gone beyond soon. The expectation of a fall release brings to mind August, September or October. Not the end of fall when there is snow on the ground and everyone else but the calendar made 2000 years ago thinks it's winter. It goes without saying that "fall" isn't an actual time frame and varies from region to region. And as we are constantly reminded, we aren't koreans living in a single time zone.
Besides, why do you need to finalize anything before you put it up on the test server? Fine, you need to gradually finalize the widgets and cogs for a live release, but what's the excuse for not having it up on pts? After 7 years, do you really think we haven't figured out that the main purpose of pts isnt to test but rather to squeeze another month out of us and collectively waste our time? Let's end this charade and get some stuff accomplished!
And this:
@Sace : even if details are not finalized, some should be no ? May be it's minor, but if you say several times per week "We did that, and did that too. Now we will focus on that" you would be surprised how it will work well :)
Also:
So release what has been finalized, and release non-information (like, what part of translation you're working on, which quests give you trouble because of cultural differences, what interesting new background history you found in NPC dialogue and so on).
Else others (Innova, Massively, The Escapist, ...) will do that for you.
This isn't good. They tell us they are transitioning over to f2p but they are still maintaining their p2p mentality. You can treat your p2p customers like trash because you already have their money, and people continue to pay you more money to keep their stuff, but the f2p crowd isn't that tolerant or are they tied down with that burden. They don't have the same mentality, they dont have monthly credit card statements reminding them how much money they have invested into your game, they dont have the same feelings of loyalty or responsibility. People drop f2p games just as quickly as they pick them up. F2P can revitalize lineage, but if you keep treating your customers, and we are your customers, like we owe you something instead of the other way around, you are going to find a whole lot of players taking full advantage of the unlimited trial aspect of the game and not patronizing your cash shop and eventually, they will also go the way of the vast majority of the customers that you have lost over these 7 years. 7 years where lineage has grown in every other region. This is your wake up call.
This isn't good. They tell us they are transitioning over to f2p but they are still maintaining their p2p mentality. You can treat your p2p customers like trash because you already have their money, and people continue to pay you more money to keep their stuff, but the f2p crowd isn't that tolerant or are they tied down with that burden. They don't have the same mentality, they dont have monthly credit card statements reminding them how much money they have invested into your game, they dont have the same feelings of loyalty or responsibility. People drop f2p games just as quickly as they pick them up. F2P can revitalize lineage, but if you keep treating your customers, and we are your customers, like we owe you something instead of the other way around, you are going to find a whole lot of players taking full advantage of the unlimited trial aspect of the game and not patronizing your cash shop and eventually, they will also go the way of the vast majority of the customers that you have lost over these 7 years. 7 years where lineage has grown in every other region. This is your wake up call.
wake up and realize its P2P in korea, which is where L2 has 99% of its playerbase.
they made NA free and Russian free because they dont give 2 rats. and they dont have to, either. if L2NA is dead, Korea has lost nothing and L2 continues to live on.
heres another reason Korea doesnt care: L3. if its released after GoD goes live in NA then there will be yet more money brought in via the Lineage franchise, and Americans will play that instead of L2.
in other games this is called CheckMate. release a sequel after your main game is dieing, and prestobango infinite money. the minute WoW starts declining in subscriptions you can bet not all the customer service in the world is going to help; they'll release WoW2 and claim it was in the works for years.
Virtually all software companies know what their ship date is a month in advance. You might not have everything just perfect but you have it done good enough to know that you WILL ship on this date and any further changes can be pushed out in an update. So pretty much anything less than a month is not so much waiting for things to be finalize as much as it is flying by the seat of your pants and hoping it doesn't fall apart before you land.
So, come Monday we will be 1 month out from a Dec 14 release which would be nice but rather minimal 1 week before fall actually ends. Will we hear about the release then? or do you plan to push it all the way back to the actual darkest day of fall? Which, btw, also happens to be the day after SWTOR releases which I don't care if the hardest core L2 players have no interest in, it simply is not a good time for anybody to release something new and hope that it gets noticed. (of course one week prior is not much better.) Or are you actually flying by the seat of your pants and you really don't know? or are you planning to blow off the whole fall timeframe all together?
All this over looks the fact that pts, usually being few weeks before a release should already have solid move up date. But we are not hearing anything about even that either.
So to spin this a bit more positively, lets just say that we trust that you have a plan that you are simply not sharing with us rather than just incompetently winging it. Which is why we are now asking you to tell us what's going on. It is a vote of confidence really.
NCW hide PTS information like it's something bad. PTS information will be released just few hours before PTS startup, using small message with 1st size font. And this information will be released only because players spot PTS down for some work and guess that this is GoD installation.
I remember old updates (like C4, C5, Interlude ...) that was announced much in advance for PTS and live. And it was announced with proud. But right now each news coming like a shame ...
You really need to stop posting about things you have no idea about. Just because I told you that you were wrong in a goddess thread doesn't mean you need to e-stalk me and report every single post I've made in the past week.
i havent been.
if you have received infractions its no fault but your own; this board has some very strict posting rules and often disregards reports, as they are seen biasedly.
for example if you were to reply to me, and i were to take offense then any report i make regarding the post would be disregarded as biased reporting.
Guys i know im new here but i know some things about management and things like that. The following words are only my thoughts, how and what happens right now behind the scenes:
Let's start with some facts:
1- Innova take over the management of European L2 servers
2- NCWest took their European server (at least the files) to NA
3- The basic method how the game was paid changes (p2p --> f2p)
What is needed for those changes?
1- Installing (by any means - porting hardware, or renting server and than copy server files, purchase hw licence for each, etc.) servers, testing them by the Innova staff members. This alone can take up to 1 month regarding if they took their own machines into some quality server house, or renting them. By opening to the European market, they need contracts about the service they gonna provide. I dont know how much time this needs and with who's gonna get contracted, but i think it's just isn't that easy and let's say it took 3 weeks, but can be done simultaneously with the install method.
Coding webpage for multilang; with all the services they will provide, like account management, design, promoting stuff, informations about the game and do not forget, all of this in multilang. Prepare the site for the ingame shop, charging PC points and other payment methods (paypal, sms service and so on). When it's done, check it for security holes.
2- Can be done if most of the stuff from point 1 is done and they are ready to launch. NCW also needs most of the stuff that Innova needs to be done.
3- This as i already wrote above, needs a lot of website programming wich isn't magically done within hours if peoples want a safe service.
So why do we dont have more info other than "Soon"? Because these things does not belong to us. We dont need to know about it. You wont ask the baker how the cookie was made if you like it, only if you want to bake. So i hope we will like this cookie :)
What other things can be done from NCW and Innova? Posting promotion stuff. But without a launch date it's again just hard (impossible) and we will have the one and only "Soon".
that's all recent developments, how about old developments that were supposed to be shared & announced long time ago and got put "on hold" like say erm GoD PTS ?
that's all recent developments, how about old developments that were supposed to be shared & announced long time ago and got put "on hold" like say erm GoD PTS ?
...
Im really sure there wont be any PTS. F2P games does not need it, this is some of the minor things that (I think) got changed. If they have the files from Korea (in good condition and with some of the fixes) they just dont need it. F2P is an alltime PTS if you see it from that side :)
Also if Innova have some forum, the rest must be asked from them, NCW is another company.
Get your info straight plox Battlefield 3 is where its at menz.
no doubt, but i was parallelling my point (that games tend to release new title sequels when subscriptions drop for old ones) by showing a recent example. ModernWarfare3 has been widely criticised as being identical to ModernWarfare2
Also if Innova have some forum, the rest must be asked from them, NCW is another company.
what has Innova to do with NCWest PTS updates ? also all Lineage2 data is copyright of NC Korea aka Innova has to ask them to use stuff/has been granted the right by them to use stuff.
there are plenty of other topics about Innova so let's keep this one on topic and about NCWest and their communications to their player base, thanks.
what has Innova to do with NCWest PTS updates ? also all Lineage2 data is copyright of NC Korea aka Innova has to ask them to use stuff/has been granted the right by them to use stuff.
there are plenty of other topics about Innova so let's keep this one on topic and about NCWest and their communications to their player base, thanks.
EU servers will be maintained by Innova, but if you read again i say'd the same as you (if Innova have a forum, post the further questions about the new EU servers there period).
And for the first part:
NCW will move the current EU server to NA, this is a prior for them, not to open a PTS that is not needed at all (if you see there a bug, that wont be present at the live servers, but not because you or someone else reported it by the current EU/NA palyers, but because the live files will be fresh ones from the HQ, aka Korea).
I dont really know what are you asking for. Talking about communication between NCW and EU/NA players? Oh come on... Why do you want to hit a dead thing? (sarcasm)
But let's try it (i dont think you didn't realised this before)
If (big if) NCW wanted to really communicate with their fans, they should open a blog 2 years already and post every little things there, promote it with Twitter and other social media (the main site's news are a big joke). With the new start of Truly Free, NCW need to do this or they will lose many players (even the paying ones). As above EvaSummoner wrote: "This is your wake up call." Players just have information hunger, even those informations are useless. Things are so quiet now about Lineage II, that the potencial playerbase cannot hear about this game anything. There is almost 0 promotion for this new Truly Free GoD update. So if you want to talk about this, it's even a deadline and also too early to talk about it in the same time.
PS: a lot of players didn't like forums, not even to watch the main site. They want fancy shining pictures and action videos, that they can share via Facebook, Twitter and/or w/e. Thats a fact.
Keep it short: NCW was bad at handling things and issues in and with L2 as a game and with the community? Yes, it was. But give them now a break and a last chance with this upcoming new thing and let's see how they will handle it. (Basicly: calm down, put your anger away and wait a little more, patience is now the key for the game to survive)
well my comments were about NCWest and their servers aka Naia in particular and as we're posting on NCWest forum I kind of thought that would be obvious as else I would indeed be posting at Innova's forums as it's not like those are hidden from us or anything..
simply said I don't care about Innova and w/e they plan to do in Europe and those posting here about them are really at the wrong place as this site is owned by NCWest aka what you mention yourself already a different company :)
well my comments were about NCWest and their servers aka Naia in particular and as we're posting on NCWest forum I kind of thought that would be obvious as else I would indeed be posting at Innova's forums as it's not like those are hidden from us or anything..
simply said I don't care about Innova and w/e they plan to do in Europe and those posting here about them are really at the wrong place as this site is owned by NCWest aka what you mention yourself already a different company :)
hope this clarifies things a bit better..
Sorry for the missunderstanding than, I just try always as clear as possible to write, but sometimes i just rush into the words and lose the point :)
These threads with verbal tantrums about the need to know any release dates are comical at the very least. Why in your right mind would you think freaking out on the forums is going to make a company tell you something they don’t want to tell you are can’t tell you?
A turnip cannot be coaxed, squeezed, or cajoled into producing blood. All efforts at obtaining blood from this vegetable will be futile. Oops, I meant a spokesperson cannot be coaxed, squeezed, bribed, threatened or cajoled into producing information they don’t have. All efforts at obtaining unsubstantiated information from this representative will be futile.
Furthermore, what would they gain from keeping the release date from the community if they did have a firm date? NOTHING IS GAINED FROM KEEPING THE RELEASE DATE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle) SECRET!! Let's not forget how this mature community reacted when they postponed a simple announcement. God (pun intended) forbid the havoc that would in sue if the had to postpone a release date after telling us. Let them do it right and wait until the are solid on a date. Not like the world is going to end next year, we will have plenty of time to complain GoD once it is finally realeased.
if you have received infractions its no fault but your own; this board has some very strict posting rules and often disregards reports, as they are seen biasedly.
for example if you were to reply to me, and i were to take offense then any report i make regarding the post would be disregarded as biased reporting.
Dont worry Eva will report you prob bc you dont agree with her/his QQ's
But anyways it will come when its ready i learn this from playing games online to console games. There alot more probably going on at NcSoft then what people with there heads in the cloud want to think, like the layoffs and NcSoft reorganizing there departments along with moving a whole server... what to sell and what not to sell in the L2 store and pricing.
These threads with verbal tantrums about the need to know any release dates are comical at the very least. Why in your right mind would you think freaking out on the forums is going to make a company tell you something they don’t want to tell you are can’t tell you?
A turnip cannot be coaxed, squeezed, or cajoled into producing blood. All efforts at obtaining blood from this vegetable will be futile. Oops, I meant a spokesperson cannot be coaxed, squeezed, bribed, threatened or cajoled into producing information they don’t have. All efforts at obtaining unsubstantiated information from this representative will be futile.
Furthermore, what would they gain from keeping the release date from the community if they did have a firm date? NOTHING IS GAINED FROM KEEPING THE RELEASE DATE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle) SECRET!! Let's not forget how this mature community reacted when they postponed a simple announcement. God (pun intended) forbid the havoc that would in sue if the had to postpone a release date after telling us. Let them do it right and wait until the are solid on a date. Not like the world is going to end next year, we will have plenty of time to complain GoD once it is finally realeased.
well look what happened with TERA, NA version of TERA was meant to be out this Fall/Winter 2011. Well BHS decided they wanted to push back the release tell spring 2012 bc they didnt want to have the same issue they had in Korea with the game.
Oh lord should saw the forums people QQED raged and called EME and BHS liars and many other things bc BHS wanted to to have a better launch in NA.EU then it had in Korea bc the game was to easy and there wasnt much endgame
1- Installing (by any means - porting hardware, or renting server and than copy server files, purchase hw licence for each, etc.) servers, testing them by the Innova staff members. This alone can take up to 1 month regarding if they took their own machines into some quality server house, or renting them. By opening to the European market, they need contracts about the service they gonna provide. I dont know how much time this needs and with who's gonna get contracted, but i think it's just isn't that easy and let's say it took 3 weeks, but can be done simultaneously with the install method.
Coding webpage for multilang; with all the services they will provide, like account management, design, promoting stuff, informations about the game and do not forget, all of this in multilang. Prepare the site for the ingame shop, charging PC points and other payment methods (paypal, sms service and so on). When it's done, check it for security holes.
2- Can be done if most of the stuff from point 1 is done and they are ready to launch. NCW also needs most of the stuff that Innova needs to be done.
3- This as i already wrote above, needs a lot of website programming wich isn't magically done within hours if peoples want a safe service.
It's a PTS Server, not a Live Server. Innova staff members has GoD LIVE in Russia with F2P System. Only needs a translation and a network and hardware system.
Nobody is asking about new system payments, F2P, new servers in EU and USA... No, we want test simply the new GoD. There are too many people that test his char.
I can test it in Innova Servers, but I prefer test into my server with my company NCSoft.
Only we ask for this. When can we try the new "Major Update"? TRY, not PLAY. There are too many diferences.
(Soon is a registred trademark :D)
It's a PTS Server, not a Live Server. Innova staff members has GoD LIVE in Russia with F2P System. Only needs a translation and a network and hardware system.
Nobody is asking about new system payments, F2P, new servers in EU and USA... No, we want test simply the new GoD. There are too many people that test his char.
I can test it in Innova Servers, but I prefer test into my server with my company NCSoft.
Only we ask for this. When can we try the new "Major Update"? TRY, not PLAY. There are too many diferences.
(Soon is a registred trademark :D)
And again every MMO company uses the Soon or we are shooting for this window **** lol
Trying GoD is playing there no way around it..... once the PTS comes up your playing not really trying out the game. Still point is with all the stuff going on at NcSoft it does effect some of there stuff yes that means both PTS nd live stuff there no way around it. Once they get everything finalized what ever that maybe then we will hear more of the PTS stuff
And again every MMO company uses the Soon or we are shooting for this window **** lol
Trying GoD is playing there no way around it..... once the PTS comes up your playing not really trying out the game. Still point is with all the stuff going on at NcSoft it does effect some of there stuff yes that means both PTS nd live stuff there no way around it. Once they get everything finalized what ever that maybe then we will hear more of the PTS stuff
In PTS I play of course but I loose all progress in this test server. When I logged again into game, I will have same character, same level and of course same skills.
But with PTS I can try the new awakened class. I can try (playing) Aore Healer and I'm not a SE/Cardinal/Bishop...
In PTS I play of course but I loose all progress in this test server. When I logged again into game, I will have same character, same level and of course same skills.
But with PTS I can try the new awakened class. I can try (playing) Aore Healer and I'm not a SE/Cardinal/Bishop...
You do know I know the difference between a test server and Official server, but still doesnt change the fact that if they dont have a hard set date then PTS will not come up. So once what ever happening in NcSoft is over then we will hear more on either live or testing. Fall isnt over there still time oh btw Fall was the time frame they gave yes not what people wanted to hear but that still a time frame
Don't you know? L2 has been in beta testing for over 7 years! they still haven't fixed some of the quest/raid boss bugs. i'm still waiting for the bug-free version of L2
Fall isnt over there still time oh btw Fall was the time frame they gave yes not what people wanted to hear but that still a time frame
yes, but they did say there would be no hero for next month in preparation for the GoD release. they turned off the calculation of olympiad points at the end of the month in preparation for the release. unless they decide to "delay" again and have 2 or even 3 months of no heroes. but then again.....they would have specified that with the first announcement right?
@Diego/Eva/Hathor: Why even wasting time to convince NCwest to inform their playerbase better. Really stop it. They wont do it. They never did if they were late with any update.
I am totally sick of their tricks. I got already 2 warning in PM from Sace, because i am telling the truth. Seems somebody cant face the truth.
I wonder how much ppl are left when GOD goes live. Wont be much anymore. Naiia hanging around 1400 players at Prime Time. Thats 500 less then last 2 months. Next month 1000 players at prime time and 500 at night? lol Serious NCWest, look what you guys are doing. => http://naia.kaifas.lt/
They can better not post anything unless its usefull info to us. There so manny ppl atm in Rage.
I am done with it.
@NCwest: If you want to proof me otherwise, SHOW US!
Being 7 years in this game i saw enough problems. Sace wasnt even there at that time.
793 ppl playing at Naia, loooool.
There are these nasty private servers around with over 2x or 3x the population (or even way more :()
Just check how the great "activity" went down on chronos/naia after the last "stay logged" event, lol.
well getting online in the morning show how u wanna make a little drama and to cry a little but also i have to agree that population is small even in prime time bcuz ppl have nothing to do in game.....every1 is bored cuz of this stupid H5