This is a sad day for many, lets stay out of the mud with this one.
Why do you feel this comment is necessary? You are only helping to provoke negative response.
Innova has succesfully proven that Lineage2 is not dead. It is now obvious to anyone that it is direct NCWest fault that Lineage2 is dying on western markets. These lay offs were not coming by surprise, it was evident after the news regarding so-called "partnership" between Innova and NCWest which boils down to the fact that NCWest was thrown out of Europe.
And even after that moment of truth, NCWest is seemingly not going to change a thing. They fail to communicate, and keep ignoring the community demands. It is just sad that such a great game fell into the hands of such an incompetent company.
Innova has succesfully proven that Lineage2 is not dead. It is now obvious to anyone that it is direct NCWest fault that Lineage2 is dying on western markets. These lay offs were not coming by surprise, it was evident after the news regarding so-called "partnership" between Innova and NCWest which boils down to the fact that NCWest was thrown out of Europe.
And even after that moment of truth, NCWest is seemingly not going to change a thing. They fail to communicate, and keep ignoring the community demands. It is just sad that such a great game fell into the hands of such an incompetent company.
what u mean by not dead? having many ppl online?...having a lot of pvp on servers?....just asking bcuz on ruoff are many ppl online but almost all servers are 1 side and pvp is totally dead...also dont get tricked by online numbers bcuz servers are free to play and every1 can log boxes for shop
what u mean by not dead? having many ppl online?...having a lot of pvp on servers?....just asking bcuz on ruoff are many ppl online but almost all servers are 1 side and pvp is totally dead...
Uhm... during peak hours all servers (they ahe around 12 in Russia) are either Medium load or heavy load. That's quite alive IMO
also dont get tricked by online numbers bcuz servers are free to play and every1 can log boxes for shop
This is NOT true. For every Russian account you have subscribed, you're allowed 1 box on the PC. You just can't multi-box on Russian servers without actually paying for the game!
So yes, Innova has proven L2 to be a success in Russia, and will prove that as well in Europe.
Back on topic:
"there were further layoffs in the quality assurance and billing departments"
Meaning that NCWest will go F2P as well in some way or the other. Why else layoff ppl at the billing department? I'm only a bit concerned about the quality assurance layoffs. Does that mean less GMs..?
just asking bcuz on ruoff are many ppl online but almost all servers are 1 side and pvp is totally dead...also dont get tricked by online numbers bcuz servers are free to play and every1 can log boxes for shop
1-side it's just coz of no transfer between servers. But check how much online for 1-side server? Just imagine online on 2-side ...
On F2P you can log just 1 free box. If you want to log 100500 accounts, 100499 of them must be premium.
So yes, Innova has proven L2 to be a success in Russia, and will prove that as well in Europe.
Innova has succesfully proven that Lineage2 is not dead. It is now obvious to anyone that it is direct NCWest fault that Lineage2 is dying on western markets. These lay offs were not coming by surprise, it was evident after the news regarding so-called "partnership" between Innova and NCWest which boils down to the fact that NCWest was thrown out of Europe.
And even after that moment of truth, NCWest is seemingly not going to change a thing. They fail to communicate, and keep ignoring the community demands. It is just sad that such a great game fell into the hands of such an incompetent company.
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its na ncosft killed this mmo in NA/EU so ?
in korea they opening new servers and providing events/services that ncsoft NA couldnt even make in 10%!
hope innova wont hire those peoples from ncsoft :D
This would not be the stupidest thing they could do. Native English speakers who have at least vaguely heard about the game ... the laid-off Austin personnel would certainly be an asset for Innova :)
Pommo, Cryo, whoever reads this - please tell your people to check the job openings (ВаканÑии) in the right side bar here: http://inn.ru/company/
Good if they are not-good-enough on their workplace.
Look, most of the typical player beef has to do with policies that are not set by these people. You're wishing ill on people when you don't even know what some of them do or how well they do it. I'm fairly certain that this has more to do with money then it does performance in most cases.
As to others who are saying "it's obvious that it's NCWest's fault," let's pause for a moment to be realistic. The Koreans have always made 95% of the decisions on what we can and can't have here. Then of course there are other factors like the fact that many of our dear Eastern Euro and Russian friends have a compulsion for cheating that leads them to write shady programs with their uber coding skills, something the Koreans apparently don't do as a general rule. I think NCWest has made some bad decisions, like the whole announcement debacle, etc. However, I'm not going to sit here and celebrate someone losing their job when I don't know that they were really part of the problem or just collateral damage.
what u mean by not dead? having many ppl online?...having a lot of pvp on servers?....just asking bcuz on ruoff are many ppl online but almost all servers are 1 side and pvp is totally dead...also dont get tricked by online numbers bcuz servers are free to play and every1 can log boxes for shop
Lineage 2 is a great game. I want to love it but ncwest makes it so hard. Globally, lineage 2 is a smashing success. It use to be, that ncwest would say "well the western market just can't handle this grind/game/whatever" but we know that to be false. L2 is doing great in russia, and it will do great once again in europe when innova takes over. And even when innova didn't exist it was still doing great in the west, just in the form of private servers because PEOPLE LOVE LINEAGE, they just don't like ncsoft. Wonder why? Is something wrong with the playerbase, or is something wrong with ncwest? Even now, with lineage 1 SHUTDOWN there are still more people playing lineage 1 english private servers updated by small groups of people then ever played the official version! That should be a pretty big clue who's not doing their job properly.
The world loves lineage. They want it to succeed. Ncsoft makes this very hard on us. We practically throw our money at them and they just scoff, or respond with "soon". This is very disheartening :(
Too late perhaps they learn that they are just as expendable as we are. Their jobs are not something that they are entitled to, it's not a privilege. Dracha tells us to read the terms of service, I say to them, review your contract ;)
I'm fairly certain that this has more to do with money then it does performance in most cases.
Except you are wrong. I hate to break it to you but usa is a third world country compared to south korea. They outsourced to us to provide cheaper services. That didn't work. So now they are hiring more expensive koreans to do the job properly. Will we finally see Goddess now that korea is in charge? I hope so.
hope innova wont hire those peoples from ncsoft :D
anway at the momeny NC NA have big problem to know when the -_- fall ends xD
I hope that Innova will hire ALL from NCW. Using whip Innova will fast force them to forget word "soon" and learn word "now".
1 side server can have 10k online, is still useless
useless? I belive that company make money from online but not from having 2-3-4-5-side server. So 10k 1-side server most likely will bring more money than 2k 2-side.
And what is NC fault in 1-side server? If you want 2-side - make it. I dont understand ppl who join top-side and cry about missed 2-nd side.
Except you are wrong. I hate to break it to you but usa is a third world country compared to south korea. They outsourced to us to provide cheaper services. That didn't work. So now they are hiring more expensive koreans to do the job properly. Will we finally see Goddess now that korea is in charge? I hope so.
Except 1) I'm not talking about pure wages 2) The US economy might suck atm, but you're on crack if you think it's 3rd world compared to S Korea, so stop parroting everything Elmar shoots off on rochand lol.
Do you think Korea is ever not involved? It's always controlled the US L2 market, told the West that it can't make changes to anything, etc. Then along comes Innova with a plan to get a license for a private server, with little Korean control or input, and wham it's a smashing success. The rus were allowed to make changes to the game, something the western markets were never allowed to have. We've gotten the Korean scraps all these years, and now you people think that "more Koreans" is the answer.
I hope this works out well, especially if people have to lose their job over it, but somehow I doubt that this is really getting to the root of the issues.
NCWest does have it's history of **** ups, no doubt there, but you people thinking that a few more Koreans are going to solve the problem makes me wonder how many brain cells you have left.
Some of you are so quick to celebrate another human being's misfortune, which makes me think that you either haven't lived life long enough yet to have had it donkey kick you in the face (though trust me it will happen) or you're just naturally cold and heartless.
I hope that Innova will hire ALL from NCW. Using whip Innova will fast force them to forget word "soon" and learn word "now".
useless? I belive that company make money from online but not from having 2-3-4-5-side server. So 10k 1-side server most likely will bring more money than 2k 2-side.
And what is NC fault in 1-side server? If you want 2-side - make it. I dont understand ppl who join top-side and cry about missed 2-nd side.
out of context is right what u say but i was talking about server with 10 k online but w/o pvp...so if u quote some1 at least read before
and players care about their fun not about the incomings of company....
Well if I lost 90% of my subscribers in the space of two years I 'd get fired too :S
But seriously, it's no surprise. Lineage 2 (as far as NCWest) is pretty much shrinking into a non-entity, they just need people to support Aion, nothing much else.
Sad for the people that are losing their jobs but hardly a surprise. Imagine how NC Korea will feel if Innova comes up with 5 new servers and 20k online when NC West can barely master 2 servers and 4k online.
out of context is right what u say but i was talking about server with 10 k online but w/o pvp...so if u quote some1 at least read before
and players care about their fun not about the incomings of company....
I understand you. But look, if there are server with 10k online and 1-side it mean that company will get a lot of money. As a result - company happy.
About players it's not clear. Maybe they just roleplay, pve or just dont like to be owned. But they play = they happy. If they want 2-side - they just need to do it. So for me looks like very good server (actually not sure if L2 server can keep more than 6-7k, but we speak in general)
As to others who are saying "it's obvious that it's NCWest's fault," let's pause for a moment to be realistic. The Koreans have always made 95% of the decisions on what we can and can't have here.
this is not about game content. there are 2 things that ncwest has done to poison and turn the game into a dying star:
1) openly embraced botting. i remember couple of years ago there were so many bots that alive player literally had no single place to go. every room in every cata, every spot on IoP etc were occupied by bots. and ncwest did nothing and ignored all the complaints. they just sent autoreplies to every complaint containing the word "bot" and never bothered to read them. that's when people started mass quitting.
2) no communication with players. for every question, for every express of interest there's poker face Sace telling "we have nothing to say". i'm sure i don't have to provide any examples because it is happening right now with GoD update release.
I would take what Elmar said on Rochand as the correct view of this.
NC West got stuck and is raged against too much that they are losing money. NC Korea comes into scene to keep this game alive here, getting workplaces back to Korean Speaker in order to make things go faster and to make sure the new hybrid model works (that would explain the billing team positions laid off);
IMO, that's another hint that our "Hybrid System" will look a lot like L2 KR system is now.
At least, the core of NC there in Korea cares about the Western Market Share they have with Lineage 2.
That might help Naia, if the Koreans come into play to fix / help the relocation of the EU server. This might keep some Naian Players...
As for those who are willing to Innova to save the world, I'm highly doubting... You see, Frost scans your computer for EVERY sign of cheating. Visiting a website about Lineage 2 cheats and leaving it on your history, or maybe even chatting about some ranger-stuff, might get Frost haywire (these are the rumors now and I don't doubt they would do that - Frost has enough system privileges to do that).
Also, russians already complain a lot about Innova and many things are just the same as here.
Maybe the service is better and (best of all) served for "Free". But no one should expect Heaven from that.
From all Evils, the worst. Only time can tell, let just not get ourselves deluded by everything involving all of this...
Innova must be better, their customers must be at least a bit happier than us, otherwise would not pay them and Innova would be out of business as NC Interactive will be soon.
no they dont, they are angry about service (well what can you expect for free?)
and pitying us that innova is going to come to EU
Everyone should try the new services, even if the koreans take over, it is best to test both models before deciding, when there is a choice, there is no more place for incompetence and ppl will either work or lose jobs. As simple as that.
That's exactly what I'm going to do: Test both the Hybrid Model and Innova's Server. They will be free in anyway.
Still I've seen this:
no they dont, they are angry about service (well what can you expect for free?)
and pitying us that innova is going to come to EU
Around the Russian Forums. They are even mocking those who thinks Frost and Innova are better than GameGuard and NC Soft.
Well, I know GameGuard and nProtect from another games and it never stopped cheating.
I also know that the source for Frost leaked the backdoor so Cheaters can use it as well.
So I guess they are both quite bad in fulfilling our expectations. Still, none has been worse than LevelUpGames Brazil, so I'm still quite happy we have options.
About LUG Brazil, Ragnarök used to use nProtect and the farming bots were free to log in. Not to mention the high latency for a server that was less than 25 miles from my home...
I'm with retribution on this one. NCkorea has virtually strangled Ncwest since its creation. Ncwest can't even modify EVENTS without the ok from NcK. Do you think all the botting was allowed by NcW? Always seemed to me like someone upstairs was telling them not to ban all the bots. Aion is a good example of NcK's control. When aion launched both here and in Korea there were loads of bots, the playerbase didnt like it and started to leave so they banned a lot of the bots. That seemed to happen almost simultaneously on lineage 2. When aion lost rifting it impacted the population heavily, so NcK in a small display of wisdom allowed NcW to modify the game to satisfy the playerbase and the rapid decline of subs slowed (still declined/declining). It does not bode well for lineage 2 to be under even more of NcK's heel. Game development might be faster, but customer service will be even worse. It seems like they are just giving up and cutting losses. I hope they seriously ramp up their NA team and give them some freedom and control so maybe we CAN get the fast responses we want when they launch Blade and Soul. I probably wont be around for it though.
Who cares cheaters can use it for a while ?
What ppl dont seem to get here is the difference between attempting to do something when you have many tens of thousands of players and you cant really read all logs all the time and doing nothing when you have 3-4 thousands across 2 servers and not only that you can actually watch sieges and whatnot, but you RECEIVE REPORTS about bots and you dont do anything for months and even years !!!
Nobody expects to have a cheater free game, the difference is in how long the cheaters last. Here they are the same for many years, they bragg about it ingame and in forums, they request the banning of legits and manage it, there they dont have same account for more than a month (probably some fairly exceptional ppl to last for longer or even be able to avoid it all the time, but those are the exceptions, not the norm)
Imagine the situation here:
1. NCI receives report about bot. Sends automated reply.
2. NCI receives tons of reports about the same bot for a few days and decide to check. The bot is found to be without gameguard and receives an email.
3. The bot is still there so NCI retained a subscription, perhaps 9 for the whole train, possibly with stolen CC, but loses others, CONTINUOUSLY, because the bot will be there forever, more ppl will see it, more will leave.
Innova have same situation:
1. They receive report about bot. They investigate, the bot is out.
Where do we see nProtect of Frost ?
NCI DOES NOT ACT on reports they have, even confirmed by software, do we really have to blame the program for that ? Sure, a better program does catch cheaters even without reports, but if cheaters arent banned, even with player reports, it doesnt matter the program, they can be as well without as many ppl here play without GG.
Regarding the leaked backdoor, if I was a GM I would have leaked it in purpose, first to sell and make some money as a company, second, in order to launch the modified version which detects a speciffic behaviour and ban thousands of cheaters every month. That is, if that is not really a fake backdoor exactly for this purpose...
I ban them this month, the next and the next, then, we will start to see some ppl wondering if cheating is worth it or not.
A GM should be proactive, in worst case act upon reports, not acting on reports has absolutely no excuse, they fully deserved to be sacked, and, if that was an order from above, to leave cheaters kill the game, then they are redundant anyway, who needs GMs that have orders not to work ?
hi hid : bot scatter on naia server was petitioned over 200 times , bot reported that he turn pink and hes still happy boting in same ******* place and gms respond : WE WILL CHECK :D for over 4 M O N T H S . S o your ideal point of game is?!
Precisely why I'll be giving Innova shot: to see how that company actually works.
I got what you said but, if we will have 20,000 players around and even with pro-active GMs banning them, Oly and Siege will still be owned by those with the best Scripts, I guess that it won't make difference.
You see, your company is only good on what is does, if it is good for what it does.
Innova may have better and more pro-active GMs than NCI (not saying so, I don't really know but still), but if they aren't enough for a 20,000 people server, they aren't much better than NCI on a 3,000 server.
All that matter here is the outcome: If we can't have a better situation on PvP, the company and the software are to blame. Innova may be good enough for a 3,000 server, but if their outcome is the same on a 20,000 one, they are no better and I'll stick with the server in which I already got something.
Not dreaming of a server without cheaters, that's not humanly possible. But PvP need to be fair inside the games rules. I'll never complain about Anakim's OP, it's a game mechanic and we must cope with it until the Developers see it must change. But PvP cheaters aren't a game design (more like a Game Flaw) and they are a fail of the company ruining the game, since they are the ones that should take them down.
It's all about fairness: I want to check if Innova can deliver it to the players keeping the connection and player support quality they should. I've heard L2RU have several problems about connection and many RU forum users complain about Innova's Support.
All in all, it's the western market, the mentality won't change. Much of what is complained about here isn't due to the company ruining the game, but to the players playing it.
Mentality, as always. One of my first posts in these boards talked about this.