There was once a time on Devianne when a clan rose up to defeat a dynasty. It is now a "Myth" but I wonder in this time of a forthcoming f2p model with all of the possible new players, isn't now the time to stop makng all of these wasteful small clans and unite?
I see on a daily basis, untagged players that refuse to tag up with no good reason. What are they waiting for? to join some elite mega clan? I say if u are untagged and under lvl 80 lets all gather and form one tag, one alliance, one group, and fight back. Who will lead the resistance? stop forming these tiny non factor clans, and organize, this is what has made l2 great in the past. but alas, i suppose most of u only log in for tw and sieges, but for those that still love the game, lets stand up and share a tag and make something great.
If u have the time, the hours to spend, and want to start something great, start replying to this thread with possible clan names, alliance names, and lets start something that all the new f2p ppl will stare at with wonder.
There are those on these boards that im sure will flame, will say how the game is dying, and that is fine but... there is a reason u are still here. dont flame just because you are bored. Get in game and lets have some fun.
I like your idea and wonder why more people dont do it. A clan like this would require some great leadership to keep morale up. I would join in these smaller clans if they had some set goals everyone could work towards. Most of these leaders of small clans have no idea what to do and thats why they stay small. It would be fun. I might roll on one of the new servers...I just dont know..So much going on right now and alot to take it.
it would be easy in a game where third party programs are non existent, and or non factor.
because there would be no stigma related to use of third party software...
so clans wouldn't get a bad reputation for using third party wares.
small clans typically fight among themselves.
of course there are a lot of smaller clans which work well together...
but there are usually some deciding factor as to why they don't merge.
i've been in clans where the decision to merge was made.
my old clan leader used to advocate that the little clans could form together...
another factor is smaller clans usually == more casual players.
casual players are not always going to be there when the clan needs them. big clans don't have casual players.
i've known a lot of smaller clan leaders, and pride is a pretty big factor.
it's not that they don't know what to do, or how to lead.
but it's that they don't want to submit to another leader where they have no say in the new merged clan.
sadly, what you ask cannot happen the way you wish it to be.
small_clan_leader1: im bored off this situation lets try to make something in this game"
small_clan_leader1: hello small_clan_leader2 do you want to stop fighting between us and try to make something big?
small_clan_leader2:im bored also off this situation i will talk also with small_clan_leader3 and small_clan_leader4 and we can try something on next server siege.
small_clan_leader1:thats great news i will try to find some more people for sure it will be fun!
small_clan_leader1" hello small_clan_leader5 i talk with some other small_clan_leader's and we wanna have a try to make this server alive wanna join us?
small_clan_leader5: well i have was with the other small_clan_leader's but i dont like "big_mouth_factor_clan"
"after 2 week small clans united on siege zone"
small_clan_leader1(cc leader):ok guys lets have some fun we are 300 cc here and the factor_clan are only 70 for sure we have some change to have some fun they are way off outnumbered.
radom_member1:LOOK there is one party of anakim coming out off castle.try kill them fast.
radom_member2:i target their healer and i died in 1 millisec
radom_member3:i try to medusa and i got 10 cancel and fear before skill cast
radom_member4:i finally managed to cast medusa on anakim because i had celestian trigered but in 1 millisec cardinal of his party cleansed in
radom_member5:i used hate with my tank but they never lose target.
radom_member6:i backstab them but my backstab always fail because they turn their face to me.
radom_member7,8,9,10....100 i took 10k++ dmg from anakims.
small_clan_leader1(cc leader): common ppl use all your skill try kill them.
radom_member11: oleeee i killed one anakim!
after 1hour
small_clan_leader1(cc leader): we havent even manage to brake castle door we have 5 kills and we died 850.but we have manage to kill 3 Anakim's
factro-clan_hero: common noobs we wait for you link==>
Anakim trasformation scrolls[?](200 piece)
small_clan_leader1(cc leader):ok i dont think this is fun anymore lets go back to our work.
i don't know for chronos but this is what happens in every siege at naia 5 months now
all I have to say is that little clans are there because some person always thinks he can do better or it is just an alt-clan to train your character without war. Being vagabond is just silly as you really are at a disadvantage as you don't have clan skills. But people do it because they had some bad experiences with clans.
anakims is a problem, but failure to ban for illegal program use is really the #1 problem, so no reason to pvp = dead server.
on chronos anakims is sometimes a problem but not always, mostly it's just that akin zerg ally recruits anything with an active account, and human nature being what it is there are plenty of bandwaggoner to join them; so atm server is dead because lack of sufficient force to fight them: Nova has strong people and uses programs, but not super active and hard for random noob to get into, and a toxic internal clan environment; AE ally tries to pvp legit but does not have good rep with other random clans because they defend themselves when other clans jump in on them when they are flagged so they have a lot of 1 way wars. And probably a lot of lower level people don't want to try to fight Akin. So we are left as it is.
All GM should be in force at siege time to check all pvp players for auto-pot spam and actually start passing out mass bans (and if not perma ban, one month or 3 week ban so that they cannot attend next siege at least; 5 day ban = joke). It is killing pvp. Doing random checks of people pveing during the week is not gonna work. Also problem is the existence of legitimate game items like oly pot and qhp that can be spammed (have little or no reuse); and being spammable means they can be abused by program users in pvp. These things need to have a reuse time of at least 10s, preferably longer, to force people to actually take healers with them for pvp and to make it possible to kill them. Zero reason to pvp if there is no chance to kill enemy.
as for small clans joining up, good idea but it doesn't happen here, it is both clan leaders who don't know what they are doing as well as those too full of pride to give up small clan to try something for greater good. another problem here is that the small clans tend to kiss rear of Akin ally because they also like to bandwagon with whoever they see as strongest, no matter consequences for fate of server. So the small randoms usually don't fight Akin, they just add to and prolong the problem. So no real point to doing anything if they won't fight Akin.
anyway, the balance of power should shift again after update when there is a reduced number of heroes and influx of new and returning players. will be interesting to see how things go. Server is just experiencing a natural low in the cycle right now.
Nothing will ultimately change as the unbeatables will remain unbeatable and will retain power no matter what the legits do. A lot of responsibility to balance the game lies with GMs, but they either can't or won't take care of things, so L2 will probably die again or will become lol game like Naia is now where there are two top end sides fighting each other, and no chance for legit player to accomplish anything at top of game.
One thing to remember is that all the small clans don't want to band up, or like their little clan as is. I personally would rather be in a small clan than bother with a large one 90% of the time.
Also, I'm 79 and untagged at the moment and honestly have no need to join a clan. I'm perfectly fine outside of one with a few on my friendlist and doing random parties with random people.
You got to realize that although this game wants you to have major TW/Castle fights and PvP here, and PvP there a lot of people will still play it the way that they want to play it. Closing the gear and level gap is huge, and for some people takes a really long time, now with the GoD update that gap is going to get larger between the "PvE" clans and the PvPers because not only are there 14 more levels but there's new grades of gear as well.
Now don't get me wrong, I love PvP in this game and am actually rerolling to accomodate my love for it, but you just need to realize like I said that a lot of people play this game differently than others.
Usualy Leaders of small clans invested many time in thier clanskills and clanlevel. so they dont want to give this up and also wont give away leader position either.
Merges of clans just dont happen, if the clans require so much personal work.
The option with an ally rules itself out by bad game mechanics.
1. Different clans in the same ally are enemies at a siege, even if they are in the same command channel.
2. The hitbox for targeting someone with the Mouse is far to small. I just cant target a moving enemy/Monster, and next target rules itself out, by short range and point 1 above.
Levels and Gear
Even at level 85 there is a big gear and Skill enchant disparity between the casual players and the Pros.
Its easy to get a 150 ele weapon by yourself casual playing. But 300 is out of the range. I never even seen a crystal drop except from events.
Just think about who buys all those GC Masteries we dont use ourselves, because even 10 million are a big sum for us. If we really wanted to compete we would keep them for ourselves and enchant our own skills.
Time and Timezones.
I cant be bothered to be up late at Sunday night when i have to work at monday, to attend a siege where i cant win anything.
In essence: The idea of the original post sounds nice, but isnt going to happen.
There was once a time on Devianne when a clan rose up to defeat a dynasty. It is now a "Myth" but I wonder in this time of a forthcoming f2p model with all of the possible new players, isn't now the time to stop makng all of these wasteful small clans and unite?
I see on a daily basis, untagged players that refuse to tag up with no good reason. What are they waiting for? to join some elite mega clan? I say if u are untagged and under lvl 80 lets all gather and form one tag, one alliance, one group, and fight back. Who will lead the resistance? stop forming these tiny non factor clans, and organize, this is what has made l2 great in the past. but alas, i suppose most of u only log in for tw and sieges, but for those that still love the game, lets stand up and share a tag and make something great.
If u have the time, the hours to spend, and want to start something great, start replying to this thread with possible clan names, alliance names, and lets start something that all the new f2p ppl will stare at with wonder.
There are those on these boards that im sure will flame, will say how the game is dying, and that is fine but... there is a reason u are still here. dont flame just because you are bored. Get in game and lets have some fun.
Sometimes the reason ppl dont join clans is because they feel insecure and dont want to communicate...
For them Ventrilo must be a huge obstacle to overcome.
there was a gathering of clans, back on phoenix.
about 2 years ago, probably even a little before that.
they had too many differences, time zones, pvp preference, and ... well some were just not friendly.
as an alliance, they controlled 2, and some times even 3 castles.
but the alliance fell apart...
in a big group of little clans, small things can stir the waters a whole lot.
Even if you guys got 600 people together you would still accomplish nothing. Would probably just be 70 parties without proper support bad gear and noone knowing what to do but hold down f1, but please band together declare war and let me get the pvp count on my bishop over 50
There was once a time on Devianne when a clan rose up to defeat a dynasty. It is now a "Myth" but I wonder in this time of a forthcoming f2p model with all of the possible new players, isn't now the time to stop makng all of these wasteful small clans and unite?
I see on a daily basis, untagged players that refuse to tag up with no good reason. What are they waiting for? to join some elite mega clan? I say if u are untagged and under lvl 80 lets all gather and form one tag, one alliance, one group, and fight back. Who will lead the resistance? stop forming these tiny non factor clans, and organize, this is what has made l2 great in the past. but alas, i suppose most of u only log in for tw and sieges, but for those that still love the game, lets stand up and share a tag and make something great.
If u have the time, the hours to spend, and want to start something great, start replying to this thread with possible clan names, alliance names, and lets start something that all the new f2p ppl will stare at with wonder.
There are those on these boards that im sure will flame, will say how the game is dying, and that is fine but... there is a reason u are still here. dont flame just because you are bored. Get in game and lets have some fun.
you will not like the ilk of the people who do not tag up.
and there are many reasons for not tagging into a clan in any MMO; not he least of which is simply due to people who do not want to take the game seriously, nor be nagged about their low level, bad gear, or choice of playstyle.
too many MMO's are about being online 24/7 to get the best stuff, and be the top player. tell me something: when Tabula Rasa closed down, can you tell me who the top Spy was ?
didnt think you could.
its not worth it to clamp down on your social life just to sit at your computer. the obvious loophole in this equation is Botting; it allows one to simply leave the computer, and come back to the game when your character is more powerful. no lack of social scenery, no lost game time, and a powerful character when you decide to load the game.
people who don't get a clan, but want better characters will invariably turn to bots. especially if the bots are free (like in every other mmo in existence)
no amount of "nab all the free players" will make the clan you try to create any better than any clan already in existence. matter of fact you will be at an 8 year disadvantage.
my advice: go try playin Anarchy Online as a froob. see how far you get before you want to buy the subscription for the instantly better experience. this same situation is what L2 will become.
people look down on free players - and with good reason.
There was once a time on Devianne when a clan rose up to defeat a dynasty. It is now a "Myth" but I wonder in this time of a forthcoming f2p model with all of the possible new players, isn't now the time to stop makng all of these wasteful small clans and unite?
I see on a daily basis, untagged players that refuse to tag up with no good reason. What are they waiting for? to join some elite mega clan? I say if u are untagged and under lvl 80 lets all gather and form one tag, one alliance, one group, and fight back. Who will lead the resistance? stop forming these tiny non factor clans, and organize, this is what has made l2 great in the past. but alas, i suppose most of u only log in for tw and sieges, but for those that still love the game, lets stand up and share a tag and make something great.
If u have the time, the hours to spend, and want to start something great, start replying to this thread with possible clan names, alliance names, and lets start something that all the new f2p ppl will stare at with wonder.
There are those on these boards that im sure will flame, will say how the game is dying, and that is fine but... there is a reason u are still here. dont flame just because you are bored. Get in game and lets have some fun.
The clan you actually referring to is Wretched Outkasts which still exist today with its original leader.
It was me and my clan members that got the server to unite to take Dynasty crown jewel of aden from them (I think it was 50+ clans two weeks before x-mas). Enemies put their differences aside to show the top dog and arguably the 2nd best clan in NA history they were not Gods and could be defeated.
Problem is with many leaders trying to lead a clan which have no business running a clan. All the clans leader i know that been in charge for years many have gone to other clans.
I only know of handful of clans that are have the same leader 5+ years through bad times and good.
If you have a core solid group of players that you can trust you clan can go on forever and even play in other games together. Too many people however do not want to build anything and just want to join the top clan to get to the end game quick without the hard work.
Most NA players want instant gratification they do not take pride in building anything.
small_clan_leader1: im bored off this situation lets try to make something in this game"
small_clan_leader1: hello small_clan_leader2 do you want to stop fighting between us and try to make something big?
small_clan_leader2:im bored also off this situation i will talk also with small_clan_leader3 and small_clan_leader4 and we can try something on next server siege.
small_clan_leader1:thats great news i will try to find some more people for sure it will be fun!
small_clan_leader1" hello small_clan_leader5 i talk with some other small_clan_leader's and we wanna have a try to make this server alive wanna join us?
small_clan_leader5: well i have was with the other small_clan_leader's but i dont like "big_mouth_factor_clan"
"after 2 week small clans united on siege zone"
small_clan_leader1(cc leader):ok guys lets have some fun we are 300 cc here and the factor_clan are only 70 for sure we have some change to have some fun they are way off outnumbered.
radom_member1:LOOK there is one party of anakim coming out off castle.try kill them fast.
radom_member2:i target their healer and i died in 1 millisec
radom_member3:i try to medusa and i got 10 cancel and fear before skill cast
radom_member4:i finally managed to cast medusa on anakim because i had celestian trigered but in 1 millisec cardinal of his party cleansed in
radom_member5:i used hate with my tank but they never lose target.
radom_member6:i backstab them but my backstab always fail because they turn their face to me.
radom_member7,8,9,10....100 i took 10k++ dmg from anakims.
small_clan_leader1(cc leader): common ppl use all your skill try kill them.
radom_member11: oleeee i killed one anakim!
after 1hour
small_clan_leader1(cc leader): we havent even manage to brake castle door we have 5 kills and we died 850.but we have manage to kill 3 Anakim's
factro-clan_hero: common noobs we wait for you link==>
Anakim trasformation scrolls[?](200 piece)
small_clan_leader1(cc leader):ok i dont think this is fun anymore lets go back to our work.
i don't know for chronos but this is what happens in every siege at naia 5 months now
Sad but true and probably until GoD this thing will not be fixed because i think/hope NCW is focusing with next BIG update. A fast fix could be to make siege zone like water area, when you go in it, you will loose transformation but now probably is too late ;/. About the thing when you target healer you are dead in less than 1 second because all party hits you instantly, and i remember a aden siege when an OL was the main party targeter and a full mage party was walking after him like train. You had the impression that all are afk and follow. I made mistake targeting healer(i didn't hit it) and they all revived and hitted me...lol ==--> dead in 2 seconds. Sometimes GM's should inspect sieges at least, they can record/learn interesting things that can improve gameplay in the future.
Even if you guys got 600 people together you would still accomplish nothing. Would probably just be 70 parties without proper support bad gear and noone knowing what to do but hold down f1, but please band together declare war and let me get the pvp count on my bishop over 50
Looking through the thread. Trying to figure out where asking people to work together is a declaration of war on you and your bishop. I just cant find it....
Looking through the thread. Trying to figure out where asking people to work together is a declaration of war on you and your bishop. I just cant find it....
he is in nova and he is correct, 600 noobs will still die super easy to 1-2 parties of top toons. people who pvp don't mind easy frags and antagonizers will definitely please them
he is in nova and he is correct, 600 noobs will still die super easy to 1-2 parties of top toons. people who pvp don't mind easy frags and antagonizers will definitely please them
People are still impressed by nova? Regardless my point still stands.