omg omg I cant awake because I dont know what will tank or warrior class be like...are you guys serious? The only ones who has some right to test anything are BD and SWS cause their class will be changed a lot but seriously, all others will be more or less same as now. And btw we dont have any right to DEMAND test server.
omg omg I cant awake because I dont know what will tank or warrior class be like...are you guys serious? The only ones who has some right to test anything are BD and SWS cause their class will be changed a lot but seriously, all others will be more or less same as now. And btw we dont have any right to DEMAND test server.
And what if i wanna change from Tyr Warrior to Archer/Dagger etc. but wanna test first if i like the new skills?
Guess its pretty cool and ok in ur eyes to reroll from 1 to 85 + subs to get then the right class.... Srsly....
(And before u come along with dual class: Awakend Main isnt sure what to take, dualclass will be healer. So guess i have to get some 85 chars just to test if i prefer Warrior/Dagger/Archer/Nuker playstyle with the new skills)
no PTS... so why bother with Patch notes.
Whether PK counts are reset has nothing to do with PTS. PTS is wiped before installing a new update, there are no PK points to reset on PTS.
don't be lazy and do your sin eater before GoD comes out.. btw that quest will be gone in GoD so if you don't and they do NOT reset pk count.. can i say hello pinata ;)
And what if i wanna change from Tyr Warrior to Archer/Dagger etc. but wanna test first if i like the new skills?
Guess its pretty cool and ok in ur eyes to reroll from 1 to 85 + subs to get then the right class.... Srsly....
(And before u come along with dual class: Awakend Main isnt sure what to take, dualclass will be healer. So guess i have to get some 85 chars just to test if i prefer Warrior/Dagger/Archer/Nuker playstyle with the new skills)
You have tons of sources on net to find out what will those characters skills be like (not from official NC West sources I admit) beside that you could test it on Ruoff as many others already did. Why do you demand some right to test anything anyway?
everyone keeps saying you could test on Ruoff.
i'm sorry, but how?
i thought these things were restricted some how through location as to where you had to play.
it it wasn't, then maybe NC should have provided that info earlier, and said...
PTS ready.
just not in English, go have a ball.
/link
You have tons of sources on net to find out what will those characters skills be like (not from official NC West sources I admit) beside that you could test it on Ruoff as many others already did. Why do you demand some right to test anything anyway?
So because I could test something on an other company servers, with not the same features and bugs, and not even in my main language (I have less difficulties in korean than russian personaly) i should be satisfied ?
So because I could test something on an other company servers, with not the same features and bugs, and not even in my main language (I have less difficulties in korean than russian personaly) i should be satisfied ?
let me laugh of you :)
I didnt say you had to test it on Roff, I said there are tons of sources on net anyway. If someone is so lazy to run korean powerwiki through **** google translate then I dont know what to say more.
I didnt say you had to test it on Roff, I said there are tons of sources on net anyway. If someone is so lazy to run korean powerwiki through **** google translate then I dont know what to say more.
As I said elsewhere, there is a difference between reading theroical information, and testing it live with your actual stuff.
Whether PK counts are reset has nothing to do with PTS. PTS is wiped before installing a new update, there are no PK points to reset on PTS.
lol you actually think PK counts will be reset? where did you get this idea? wishful thinking?
don't be lazy and do your sin eater before GoD comes out.. btw that quest will be gone in GoD so if you don't and they do NOT reset pk count.. can i say hello pinata ;)
seriously, if you have some sense and foresight, simply make sure all your toons are at 0 pk before update, period. is what I planned on doing the entire time. pk counts have never been reset upon any former update, why would this be any different? all I can think is people too lazy to do sin eater are hoping for pk reset and all I can respond with is lol? I will enjoy picking your gear after update when you were too lazy to do sin eater, and forget how serious pk consequences will be, and I get your augmented weapon cuz you went red. gf
yes sin eater is an annoying chore, especially if you have a lot of pk, but if you care to keep ahold of your gear after update you will take the time to do it, and the sooner the better. I removed over 100pk for a friend and it took several hours but it isn't hard to do.
yes sin eater is an annoying chore, especially if you have a lot of pk, but if you care to keep ahold of your gear after update you will take the time to do it, and the sooner the better. I removed over 100pk for a friend and it took several hours but it isn't hard to do.
I can't recall anytime the PK system was redesigned, most major changes to in-game systems causes a reset of the points used in that said system.. only Bo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcLFmN7aJe0) knows what will actually happen.
I didnt say you had to test it on Roff, I said there are tons of sources on net anyway. If someone is so lazy to run korean powerwiki through **** google translate then I dont know what to say more.
As I said elsewhere, there is a difference between reading theroical information, and testing it live with your actual stuff.
Say it to a soulhound :)
I've read tons of topics/resources about GD. What is nice and funny about slh class is the fact is an hybrid which can both melee and nuke.
You can't compare it to other nukers and I don't want to be a pure mage in GD (in such case i would have made a diff class since first moment) and same is thinking 50% or more of the soulhounds i know.
As kamael i'm bound to my race-only classes, so subclass splitting wouldn't solve my problem. Subclass change tokens? No use for kamaels.
I am mostly oriented toward PVE, i don't want to choose a class cause it OWNZ PPL.
Summing it up:
1- I have only two classes to choose from for dual main: warrior (from doombringer) and enchanter (from judicator), i dont like archer playing style (trickster).
Both warrior and enchanter classes may have issues in grinding/finding parties - and if you're so well informed, you know what i'm talking about (warriors nerfed even with last blow skill - they had to implement one dungeon in Harmony patch so they can kill things lol... :( -, needed enchanters ratio from 1:3 to 1:7 or so, and other things). But, despiting these issues, these two classes are the only ones i'll be able to choose from subclasses, so I prefer to save them for dual class (i'll decide which one between the two after i'll hear enough feedbacks).
2 - Nuker, healer, archer = i don't want.
3- So, what's left to me as my main?
Dagger, tank, summoner.
Not exactly what i've been playing till now... ;) and YES, as i said already i did read skills etc., but starting a totally new class at lv85 with 0 experience about it and without even knowing if you like that playstyle, doesn't really sound great.
better to be safe than sorry!!! Do NOT trust NCsoft to give you what you want LOL... Doing your sin eater now is the smart thing. are people really going to let it go live with 30+ pk ? pvp and pk counts have never before reset. No reason to think they will now.
Actually I believe there will be a lot of item dropping from people who forget about new system and who are used to pking a lot; effectively, you cannot remove any pk, and besides, with the use of force macros it is actually rather easy for people to pk by accident, even if they intend to not pk. I know several people who no longer use force macros at all because they dropped something valuable already.
A lee-way of 30 pk is plenty to cover accidental pk and stay safe effectively forever, but to go into update with near 30 pk is just asking to lose gear.
afaik Judicator -> Enchanter remains broken so Kamael can't dual class it anyway... gf
on the upside Archer looks good but if you don't want to play that... gf
so you are stuck with dual class warrior only which indeed appears to suck... gf
We've been planning to take our SoulHound to nuker so I've been ok with that, and I just try to think of it now as the high level StS I never had... but now I need to sell a bunch of stuff to acquire all the nuker gear required for it... gf
indeed, update screws over a lot of people, especially the Kamael players who brought up very unique and rare classes who now have to pick something else entirely (which is my problem, my Doombringer will be retired for some time I think); nor do I have any idea what to awaken my SE into either; atm I plan only to wait and see how things go with people in my clan who will awaken at update, maybe see what clan needs and then play that... gf
that Kamael can't even split a sub to be anything besides 2 classes is also lol... and can't split Judicator at all anyway. Also as my Dominator friend says, if he had known about this update earlier he would have made a DC instead and been 85 years ago... gf
afaik Judicator -> Enchanter remains broken so Kamael can't dual class it anyway... gf
Good news :D!! (kinda ironical) it seems judi awakening has been fixed, it even got some lv83 skill O.o i read it somewhere on rochand boards... btw i ain't sure if the fix will come with main update or Harmony.
PS. thx Elmar <3
PPS. -hugs & solidarity to all Kamael mates.
yet you say enchanter has hard time to find group :P
I didn't really plan to make main or dual to enchanter tho, and only on my 2nd account if absolutely necessary :x
Between enchanter unable to find party and warrior unable to deal damage, it will be an hard choice.
(btw i do know about the other various issues regarding enchanters, i guess it's needless to list them here..)
/hmm
I guess meanwhile i'll just keep leveling my main without awakening/leveling subs, and I'll decide which main & dual main class after a few weeks, depending on feedbacks from other players/forums :rolleyes: <3
We've been planning to take our SoulHound to nuker so I've been ok with that, and I just try to think of it now as the high level StS I never had... but now I need to sell a bunch of stuff to acquire all the nuker gear required for it... gf
Btw, according to the existing patch notes, Kamael can wear only R+ grade robes.
So what classes are you guys thinking have totally different playstyles? As oppose to what they now?
Some examples please?
Sor Smittie, i didn't correctly explain myself >< /my awful english i guess...
I meant, totally different playstyle not from what they're now, but from what i've been playing till now -> soulhound and kamaels' subs a bit... nuker i don't want to be :(
Initially i reeaaaally wanted to go for tyr warrior as main (i enjoy a lot my DB), but after i read many complaints & nerfs about this class, i dropped the idea, and I'm just keeping it as an option for dual main.
Btw I have one only toon S+ grade and that's my kamael :D *hides* Hey, i'm a casual non-factor player beyond compare to your 28+ nobles - and i know it ;)
Btw, according to the existing patch notes, Kamael can wear only R+ grade robes.
Btw, according to the existing patch notes, Kamael can wear any S or higher grade armor.
P.S.: Imp. Crusader, Arcana Robes, anything that it not light armor and under R-Grade, will retain light armor skins.
A lee-way of 30 pk is plenty to cover accidental pk and stay safe effectively forever, but to go into update with near 30 pk is just asking to lose gear.
Screw losing gear. I don't think most people understand you can pop your augment now if you drop your weapon.
Thousands of millions of adena spent on that lucky nuke augment or active skills. Gone in a blink of an eye.
As for classes I don't trust NC's balancing efforts. I have no doubt at least 2 or 3 of the classes will be serfs for at least a year.
Btw, according to the existing patch notes, Kamael can wear only R+ grade robes.
orry, link? as I understand it currently, once the char is awakened, it loses the Guilted Body passive that restricts it to light armor only and can then wear any heavy or light armor of any grade (with light textures for all under R ofc).
As for classes I don't trust NC's balancing efforts. I have no doubt at least 2 or 3 of the classes will be serfs for at least a year.
no I don't trust them either because it has always been that way. I expect that indeed warrior and rogue will be gimp for quite some time, and they are slow to fix balance issues as well.
So what classes are you guys thinking have totally different playstyles? As oppose to what they now?
Some examples please?
current enchanters versus the awaken versions as only Judicator & Domi get close to the new version but feel free to claim SwM & BD for example are a 1 to 1 match for the new enchanter set up as well ;)
as I understand it currently, once the char is awakened, it loses the Guilted Body passive that restricts it to light armor only and can then wear any heavy or light armor of any grade (with light textures for all under R ofc).
This is the correct understanding. Before Awakening, Kamaels can only wear Light Armor and Kamael Weapons (Crossbow, Rapier, Ancient Sword).
After Awakening, Kamael is just like every other race, except they have a freaking wing in their back and purple skins. They can then use any armor or weapon of any grade: Guilted Body is gone.
Lore-wise, is like they are getting closer to their true form as Giant's Servants. Maybe they should get something more special in the future, being loyal to Giants all the time until now and so on.
In PvE? Healers, for example :)
With nerfed VR effect and Sleep reuse timer, they will be more like just HP batteries, and not pullers/crowd controllers like many of them are now.
Naaaah, I'll miss crowd controlling!
Don't forget MP batteries too!
orry, link? as I understand it currently, once the char is awakened, it loses the Guilted Body passive that restricts it to light armor only and can then wear any heavy or light armor of any grade (with light textures for all under R ofc).
no I don't trust them either because it has always been that way. I expect that indeed warrior and rogue will be gimp for quite some time, and they are slow to fix balance issues as well.
Kamaels can equip any S-Grade or higher armor