SubClass

The Subclass class quest has been replaced with a new one that characters can acquire from the new Subclass NPC, Raina, in Talking Island Village (http://legacy.lineage2.com/gd/zones.html#talking-island). Raina can also assist characters in creating or resetting their subclasses. Previous NPC functions for changing subclasses have been removed.

-Did we forget to do this? It still tells me that I must complete the Fate's Whisper and Mimir's Elixir Quests before I can obtain a subclass (which were the old and now unattainable quests)

But you are 75 on the main and have no subs added? I cannot try it out cause I either have sub slots already available or the main toon too low lvl to try.

I am 76, and yes I have no sub classes

But you are 75 on the main and have no subs added? I cannot try it out cause I either have sub slots already available or the main toon too low lvl to try.

Sorry for this:

Mis sinu ingame name on :D?

"Aftermath

Hm. Under "deleted quests" list in the patch notes it doesn't have those listed... Does the starter NPC for Fate's Whisper have anything for you?

yes. He explains I must go kill Cabrio (Who's now located in a lvl 95+ zone, and dark blue for me so when I attack him I get paralyzed) and he is only the first of 3 or 4 raid bosses you must kill in order to attain your sub-class.

The whole reason I started playing again was the fact that they were fixing or changing this quest, because I quit when after 2 months cabrio had not been killed on my server because everyone was to high level and I couldn't sub-class

That sucks a**. I had the same problem with the old quest so I ended up camping TW for noble and got my sub after some months of farming the badges... Sorry I couldn't be any more help :(

so unless they change something like they said they were going to i'll have to do Territory Wars, basically attend castle sieges and such?

Oh great, I just wrote a long reply and the effing thing crashed without saving it :mad: Gonna try again, but save it to Notepad first...

You don't need castle sieges for TW badges, just the TW itself. Can either camp it sitting it town (for me it's 4 am so I don't feel like staying up) or you can go out and kill people. I made a guide for the EOgamer Wiki, not sure though if everything is still valid after GoD update. http://l2.eogamer.com/wiki/Territory_Wars

Thanks, I read the TW information in the patch notes, hopefully at least those are correct. seems like there on saturdays between 8-10pm EST. Hopefully A GM or someone reads these forums though and fixes the issue first

I've read over the patch notes as well, it does say something is changing.

So I have questions of my own for the GM's.

First question is addressed in this thread, are the patch notes right, is there supposed to be a new sub-class quest, or are the notes just being misunderstood, is there information missing in them?

Second, if the sub-class quests are still the two quests mentioned in this thread, is the level you can start them still 75 or much earlier? It would seem that at 75 the raid bosses required for one of the quests are far too low in level to expect completion. Is that a problem with the raid boss being bugged and it's supposed to actually be tuned to the 75 level range or is the quest itself bugged?

The last thing I wanna say is that I really do think a GM should address these questions, there is no mention of sub-classes in the FAQ and when I logged in yesterday on Talking Island, instead of chat spam selling items, it was chat spam "where is the sub-class trainer??" we already know there is a spelling mistake either on the NPC's name in game Reneea or something, and the patch notes say Raina.

Plz clarify.

Also bump.

I could only assume they were supposed to make it MUCH easier or just talking to the person and getting the subclass without any quest, I say this because I attempted the 76 3rd class change last night and the quest is now beyond easy, I will say that it is a fun quest to do now, but it only takes 10 - 20 minutes VS pre GOD took weeks to months to do

It says on the patch notes that the monster you have to hunt for Fate's Whisper quest have changed. The first raid boss is now a quest monster. So I guess anyone can attack it.

yea but after u kill cabrio u still have to kill the ToI bosses so the mobs have not changed nor has the quest so far.

I've read it and interpreted it many different ways but all I see is "new quest from TI" which isn't true she tells you to go do all the old quests, and yes Cabrio is now a quest "Raid Boss", who still hits me at 76 for 2500dmg so still needs to have a group large enough to kill him and low enough in level to not be petrified.

Bump... Any other input on this issue?

Ugh I was wondering the same thing. An easier subclass quest would be great..it seems like I can never even enough find people wanting to kill Cabrio online...

Talk to News Informer (or something like that) NPC, one of those options is to end obsolete quests. It should allow you to take new one afterwards.

I talked to the news informer, and ended non class change related quests (it ended the cata ones) and I also tried ending class change related quests and that did nothing. My fate's whisper quest was not ended, I'm not sure if it was or not. Reanee stills says I need fate's whisper and mimir's elixir :(

Ouch. Then it is a real problem.

I sent in a Ticket regarding the issue and contacted support, I made this thread as well. I've still yet to hear back from any of the GM's regarding this issue, all I want to know is if there going to change it i'll play around and wait, if there not then again i'm going to quit like I did last time not worth waiting months upon months to get a subclass these days.

There is another issue with the sub quest.

Cabrio doesn't exist at least in the location we knew it as that area is all 85+ mobs.

I guess this topic isn't important enough for someone to address or give us a decent response 3 days now we've been waiting, will we be acknowledged at least?

Ok cabrio and the toi bosses have been converted to quest monsters- so no raid curse for higher lvls. Watch out Golkonda likes to spam cancel though. They are all in the same places.

Here is the big problem the Fates Whisper quest- How do you get a top b grade weapon anymore? All weapons crafted or bought will be in an unidentified state according to the patch notes. It is only with a very low percentage that you will get a regular weapon. I have tried unidentified bop, bound bop(which changes name to something else entirely by the way), so now I am stuck with having to use a BoP but I can't find a normal one and I ran out of adena thinking I could maybe get one from shop that would go standard.

Anyways it looks like TW is the only way.

I saw that when I went to Cabrio that he is now a Quest Monster which makes absolutely no sense if there changing the quest (but it also makes no sense making this a quest you need 20+ people to complete). I'd still like a definite answer from someone hopefully within the next month, maybe when we reach 1000 post and 10000 views someone will care.

Lol its not that the GM's don't care, it's that the player to Gm is completely imba atm. Look at how many people flooded this game once it became Free. The GM's still have to fix existing bugs within the game, and at least look at every little ticket sent in because some loser broke their destiny weapon trying to OE it and got nothing from it, not to mention combing the forums and trying to decide if its an actual issue or just people trolling.

I'm sure at this point this thread just looks like trolling to them. 800+ views just means someone clicked on it. This thread isn't even a hot topic how are they going to look at something like this as more then spam.

Also based on the amount of people in the forums at any given time (i counted clost to 15000) 800 views could have happened in a mere few seconds, the fact that it took 3 days to get that high means people geniuinly aren't that interested..

1000 Views is more then most threads right now and the number over responses is greater then most threads right now, no thread is getting 800 views in seconds, and the reason why people aren't responding is most people already have sub-classes so this doesn't affect them.

I'm guessing the subclass quest is still the same..maybe the territory badges are the only way to sub without sitting at cabrio or other bosses waiting for other to kill it. Anyone know any specifics on the badges awarded for territory wars or how long it would take to gather 100 for noblesse? I have tried searching the forums and other sites but came up with nothing

any feedback from the GMs yet?

of course not, players issues are not important to them it would seem.

Where is master raina!

There is no master raina. You want reeana or something like that on TI. It says subclass something or other above her name.

FINALLY AN ANSWER....

So since the GM's are non-existent on these forums I decided to take matters into my own hands and test out cabrio. Now when I first attempted Cabrio just after the patch I noticed he was a quest mob and when I attacked him he did hit me for around 3k. The other Night I went to Cabrio again to find 4 other people sitting there waiting for a group to drop him. We all partied up and noticed we had everything we needed, our group contained (6) Buffer, 2 Healers, BD (myself), SWS (tank), Phantom Ranger. It took about 5 - 10 minutes but we did kill cabrio, and proceeded to kill the other TOI bosses in the same fashion very easily, with the exception of LongHorn which you will need 1 - 2 groups with mostly ranged people even DD's that are melee bring a bow because he cancels your buffs every 5 - 10 seconds, but again with 2 groups we dropped him in 10 minutes, very simple quest now ALOT easier then it was, I didn't even have to see baium I did the 30 bloody clothes instead which I solo'd on the 8th floor in 10 minutes.

If you need help with anything on this in-game please feel free to message me on "Muks" i'll do my best to help.

None of the old raids exist as raids anymore, they are all now classed as quest mobs so anyone can kill them. They do all still require a full Party (longhorn took 3 awakens characters to kill). My group of friends just ran through on Chronos and killed them and I am currently awaiting Baium to spawn so I can get his blood.

FINALLY AN ANSWER....

So since the GM's are non-existent on these forums I decided to take matters into my own hands and test out cabrio. Now when I first attempted Cabrio just after the patch I noticed he was a quest mob and when I attacked him he did hit me for around 3k. The other Night I went to Cabrio again to find 4 other people sitting there waiting for a group to drop him. We all partied up and noticed we had everything we needed, our group contained (6) Buffer, 2 Healers, BD (myself), SWS (tank), Phantom Ranger. It took about 5 - 10 minutes but we did kill cabrio, and proceeded to kill the other TOI bosses in the same fashion very easily, with the exception of LongHorn which you will need 1 - 2 groups with mostly ranged people even DD's that are melee bring a bow because he cancels your buffs every 5 - 10 seconds, but again with 2 groups we dropped him in 10 minutes, very simple quest now ALOT easier then it was, I didn't even have to see baium I did the 30 bloody clothes instead which I solo'd on the 8th floor in 10 minutes.

If you need help with anything on this in-game please feel free to message me on "Muks" i'll do my best to help.

30 bloody clothes? Is that the quest you get at the Dark Elf guild in Aden? I'm lost... I prefer not to wait for Baiums respawn on this quest...

There is no master raina. You want reeana or something like that on TI. It says subclass something or other above her name.

The subclass NPCs are at TI opposite to the Warehouse Managers

The bosses for the subclass quest are no longer raid bosses. NC Turned them all into "Quest Monsters" so anyone can attack them. I boosted my friends couple days ago through the quest (though couldnt do the last one, aoe debuff spam kinda makes it harder).

Just get a couple of 80+ friends to help and you can zoom through the bosses in an hour. You can also skip the baium part and instead just get 30 quest items.

30 bloody clothes? Is that the quest you get at the Dark Elf guild in Aden? I'm lost... I prefer not to wait for Baiums respawn on this quest...

As a part of the Fate's Whisper quest, when you get to the part about Baium the quest gives you a choice - if you want to go with stabbing Baium or you just go and kill some platinum mobs in TOI. IF you want to go with the Baium option, I suppose you still need the bloody cloth quest as it is needed to port in to Baium's chamber. But it's lot easier to go with the killing mobs option :)

I'm guessing the subclass quest is still the same..maybe the territory badges are the only way to sub without sitting at cabrio or other bosses waiting for other to kill it. Anyone know any specifics on the badges awarded for territory wars or how long it would take to gather 100 for noblesse? I have tried searching the forums and other sites but came up with nothing

As ppl have already described, the quest is easier now but if you're still interested in the TW option: the amount of badges depends on the amount of action going on in the area if you are just camping. BUT: if you are in a group that actually kills ppl or if you do the killing yourself, you can complete the sub-quests and get the badges done real quick. Not sure if you can score 100 in one TW, but 2 should be enough.
My old guide is here, but can't be 100% sure it's all still valid after the update: http://l2.eogamer.com/wiki/Territory_Wars

Well to shed some light on this situation, the boss part of this quest is easy all the way up to Golkonda, where you will need probably 2 groups and at least one of those groups needs to be all ranged classes (nukers or archers)

other then that we 6-7 manned all the other 3 bosses, we had 2 healers but one was DDing because they really don't hit all that hard, I tanked them on my Sword Muse fairly easily, with the songs I hardly lost health just from the regeneration from my own leech.

Golkonda starts hitting harder and harder as he gets closer to death and you may want to make sure you're tank is actually a tank. I tanked him with arrest because he cancels most of/all of your buffs every 10-15 seconds (which is why you need ranged) Other then him everything else is really easy (to be honest we had 7 ppl in group but probably only needed 4 or 5 at most)

A bit out of thread, but while we're on the whole subclass thing, do we still need certain sub to get certain certs?

Or we can get any cert from any sub?

A bit out of thread, but while we're on the whole subclass thing, do we still need certain sub to get certain certs?

Or we can get any cert from any sub?

Nope; They changed all of the Cert's so they aren't dependent on what your Sub is.

toi bosses etc aren't the issue, but since you still need a top-b weapon later in the quest, ppl on the new servers are going to be ******? or is there an easier way to get a top-b weapon now than getting 450 sop and make sls*sls?

Getting close to be able to pick my second sub here, I wonder do I need to repeat the entire quest chain or is there some other rule now?

once u've done the sub quest, u dont have to repeat it in order to pick a new sub. u have only to lvl the sub u have now to 75 and pick new sub (at master raenee in talking island) or to delete your actual sub and start a new one - lvl 40 (at same master raenee)

toi bosses etc aren't the issue, but since you still need a top-b weapon later in the quest, ppl on the new servers are going to be ******? or is there an easier way to get a top-b weapon now than getting 450 sop and make sls*sls?

any answer on this?? can i use on the quest a bound top b weapon?