Stigma of shilen?!

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I can't land a single stigma in GC anymore, what's up with that?
I didn't manage to land any in DV or GC either, so I guess it has to be enchanted now like other debuffs :/
At +1 Time works almost everytime.
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Does Mark of Rumi land at least :rolleyes:
Anyone tried to enchant it and worked?
I have the same problem, it NEVER lands
I failed to land it on every try yesterday on AL.

Maybe I'll enchant it and try to land it today or tomorrow, then I will post the results...

But sounds like a bug as Stigma of Shillen wasn't supposed to have a landing rate, as it doesnt consumes neither Bsps or Ss
Stigma +8 Time with bsss worked at GC last night. Had Em3 buffed nothing else. Tho not with a 100% rate anymore.
My SE got his enchanted, but I'm too tired to test anything right now. If you guys don't mind waiting for like 12 hours :p I'll test it then
Stigma +8 Time with bsss worked at GC last night. Had Em3 buffed nothing else. Tho not with a 100% rate anymore.

Stigma doesn't consume Spiritshots, it is not a magic.

Stigma is an Active Skill. Its land rate wouldn't be affected by Bsps use.
Well i have them always turned on, havent checked if they consume now.
But could be a reason. Just speculation till i can test when i am at home.
tried it at swamplands a few nights ago, i just assumed they nerfed it on 85+ mobs. i will look into this enchanting, as i have never used it before changing my sub over.
It also doesn't land on an Elpy.
I was using it last night on the mobs at IOP. It landed maybe twice >.> It always used to land. Mine is unenchanted. I did try with shots, and since it's a physical skill it doesn't trigger them.
Well i have them always turned on, havent checked if they consume now.
But could be a reason. Just speculation till i can test when i am at home.

Stigma is an Active Skill that never had a landing rate, as it just affected every target it was casted on. Because of that, it never consumed neither Spritshots nor Soulshots.
Yesterday in AL I confirmed both not consuming for my AM.

It also doesn't land on an Elpy.

That along with my former words lead me to think that they either nerfed Stigma silently or it is a bug due to the new Mez System and how it synergies with old debuffs.

But since Stigma only have Time enchant and people say that enchanted Stigma is landing more often, I'm strongly believing that this is a bug, as Time enchant surely don't have anything to do with land rates...

I also wonder that, being Stigma an Active Skill not affected by any shots, would it fall into mental or physical debuff for resists?
Low lv Shillien Elder here, and I couldn't land a single Stigma on white/yellow mobs.
Stigma is an Active Skill that never had a landing rate, as it just affected every target it was casted on.
Active debuff skills have land rates. Stigma was an exception ("a cheat") when it was introduced, like Kamael debuffs were for some time before that (but they were fixed too).

Active debuff skills are not affected by MAtk. Only by their specific attack/resist properties and level difference between the target level and the skill learnt level.

That along with my former words lead me to think that they either nerfed Stigma silently or it is a bug due to the new Mez System and how it synergies with old debuffs.
Stigma is not Mez. Mez are only the debuffs that disable the toons. Stigma doesn't disable, it lowers PDef.

As for the new non-Mez skills, for example, you can spam Mark of Rumi, and (at least with an S-grade weapon, SBSpS and full healer selfbuff) it will land basically all the time. I haven't observed the reduction of the chance to land a new mark over the already applied mark.

But since Stigma only have Time enchant and people say that enchanted Stigma is landing more often, I'm strongly believing that this is a bug, as Time enchant surely don't have anything to do with land rates...
Your last learnt level of an unenchanted 2rd class skill is 74. When you enchant it to +1 (with any route), its learnt level becomes 76. Every time you enchant it by additional +3 (that's +4, +7, +10, +13 and so on), its learnt level increases by 1 (that's 77, 78, 79, 80 and so on correspondingly).
But since Stigma only have Time enchant and people say that enchanted Stigma is landing more often, I'm strongly believing that this is a bug, as Time enchant surely don't have anything to do with land rates...


That's wrong, any enchant, no matter what the route you follow, raises the learnlevel of the skill you are enchanting. Right now you are trying to debuff 80 level mobs with a skill that has a 74lvl learnlevel. Getting close to 80 learnlevel raises the landrate.
I never said Active Skills don't have land rate. I said Stigma is an Active Skill that didn't have. No comma there. :D

I also never said Stigma is a Mez. I said that the new system could have messed with Stigma and maybe other land rates.

But it seems that they silently corrected the cheated 100% land rate Stigma had, which means that the learnt level modifier applied on enchanted skills (a mechanic I never knew before, thanks Zanti and Krissa :)) comes into play and now Stigma works how it was supposed to from the beggining.
The forum wasn't letting me log in yesterday >.<

Anyway, I tried it on my SE in lower GC. It landed 9/10 times. He got +10 time enchant. I do realise though is that the stigma time does varies from 33 secs - 40 secs with about 20 tries.
^ same for a friend of mine with +6 on time, he was on 9/10 landing in GC lower. I was in pt too and i must say, on the other hand, death mark now lands A LOT :D in GC lower it was like 1-2/10 success chance pre-GD, now it's 8-9/10... too bad soon it will be gone for me e_e
friend of mine ehcnated it (with something) and now it always land
Stigma +6 Time still lands alot in GC (and still doesnt need spiritshots). Tried it with my 84 SE. Tho the duration is shorter now.
Stigma not landing on any mob in Enchanted Valley on white mobs ... what's wrong with that? Oo
Yeah...and is it normal that the land rate of Surrender to the Divine is FAR better than Stigma's on mobs of the same level?
Just reporting in after 2 days of hunting.

My Stigma wasn't landing at all in AL. It was +0.

So I got myself 3 or 4 standard GCs and got it up to +9. Now it is landing on GC (90% of the times) and in AL (70%, depending on the mob targeted).

I also tried in Scorpions and their land rate is even better than GC. Still not 100% though.

Don't know how far it is good. One strange thing is that I found that my +9 Time Stigma seemed to land more often than my +9 Chance Trance on the Scorps (Didn't try to sleep giants much... only landed once so far, but they do have high resist to sleep anyway).

Didn't enchanted anything past +9 because, at level 80, we only have max chances until +9.

As for the duration, +9 Stigma had 39 seconds (which is its correct duration, each enchant increases 1 second) in 80% time and, sometimes, a little less. but I guess that this has to do either with mob resists or to some delay between server receiving my information and calculating Stigma's Duration, not sure.

Last but not least, I manage to trigger Skill Mastery quite often (like twice or even three times in a hour, which is too much for a Morai Robed Cardinal) on Stigma, which is cool as you see Stigma's Icon without a countdown, lasting for whole 1min18s :D.

~Lux
Mine stigma is +9 in mine SE subclass, without any dye, with DC robe set and B grade weapon, landrate is 90%.