Has lineage 2 become a lil nooby?

I am a returing player in l2 (stoped being active @ Oath of blood mostly and generally logging at gracia pt2)

I decided to make this thread because I feel now like I play in a private server.... things got TOOOOO easy... and rules got OVERSIMPLIFIED... also the fact that its 100% brought many noobs in the game...

And I am going to explain why I think all that.

1. 99% of the mobs stopped being agros.. or atleast not the same as their used to be it seems thata there is no team agro anymore... not even if you hit one mob and the other mob of the exactly same type stands next to it.... (and that could be kinda ok for low lvl mobs but it exist in high lvl mobs aswell!)

Much in making a lineage 2 player experienced (as a real life person I am not talking about ingame xp points) and familiar with his/her character skills and strategys was the fact that from one point and further monsters were hard with resistances were agressive and most of them were in teams.. so you had to know what skills you will use WHEN you use them and in which order etc... now is more like /targetnext and pew pew with f1.............

(and I doubt that any new players know the "/" commands not because they are stupid but because the gameplay got so easy and fast they didnt need top explore them)

I just passed through the entire parnassus island and aligators island, heine etc... and it was like I was walking on elven village terratory... nothing attacked me and if I attacked a moster only this particular moster responded... (the same thing applies to almost all areas... )

You needed balls to solo pass such grounds now its nothing.

And generally you needed balls to solo xp at a certain lvl and above... now its just a piece of cake like killing keltirs or what ever.. silent vally for example has a Q that gives you 23M yes M xp just buy obraining 50 qitems by killing the groups there.... and there are no groups no team agro no nothing.. and the mobs are like totally harmless.... (and thats a ground for 75 + lvl players not for 40lvl noobs... )

and the Q is REPEATABLE!!! I mean HOW IN THE HAVENS NAME you gonna learn lineage by solo pew pew at lvl 75 some mobs and get like 30% in 20 minutes....


game got WAY TOO FAST and doesnt allow players to learn the game... (there is a huge difference between learning the GAME and learning the GAMEPLAY... because thats what they learn the gameplay.. not the game they learn (and not all of them!!!) that the skills are trigged by the F* bar what HP and what MP and stuff like that.. they dont learn rules ethics and strategies of the game!)

I consider my self as an expirienced player in the game and I have not yet a top level char I mean I have a few S graders but thats it.

And I know tons ofthings about the game! and I can not tollerate seeing lvl 85 players asking to exchage their top s80 weapon with a CLEAN ONE.. I mean omg... that means the player does not know the Speciall Ability system AT ALL!!!!! and he is like 80-85...

Or players at the same level that do not know how basic NPCs are located etc......

I see a bounch of noobs with topgrade materials (ok everyone remembers ebayer clans like p00t :P but these people are even WORSE - in terms of knowledge atleats :P - than them!)


2. An other thing that add the "noob" factor to a sigificant number of l2 players is the fact that its free to play now!
I mean ok I agree that NC should lower considerably the subscription prices and make discounts for customers that have multiple accounts but the game still should need a sort of a time card or a credit card registration..

because now ALL the noobs from the x300000 private servers are making characters here and bot and making annoying noob request (like "please give me some adena to get ss and gear" and all that at GoD were you get tons of SS almost TOP ng gear FOR FREE and almost full buffs and very cheap D,C,B and even A gear -common-) they are spamming in their own language (And I find that annoying I personally am not a native english speaker nor live in an english speaking country though when I shout in public I use the official game language to do so because I respect the fellow players)

and lots of other noob stuff going around because of that... I think this problem would be solved if there was atleast a 3$ subscription per month and a 3 account limit per IP .


3. Ok now everything is purchasable from everywere and using adena... this endorses noob players to ebay for adena! and also makes them more noob that they already are.... To bestow a SA to my weapon I got the Q at aden got the crystal and xp using the crystal to lvl it etc so I learned many things and new areas and mobs by doing this.. now you give some adena and you buy what ever crystal you like.. or gear (until S!!!) its very stupid not to have rules anymore and procedures and make everything purchasable.. I mean why to bother to sell crystals? just make a noobNPC that adds SA to your weapon directly without the need of mats... and just asking some adena.. or why not making a GMshop that sells all the possible SA of all the variaty of weapons..

the current system changes, that made a lots of stuff purchasable, are a MOCKARY to the game...


Also besides that the game story got ***** as well... I mean Dark elves fighting against shilen and sending schollars to help eleven village???? THEY ARE BY DEFINITION SHILENS FOLLOWERS... why you think they are called DARK elves (has anybody of the knew Ncsoft team read l2 storyline?? ) why shilen is able to see with her eyes? there was a reason she had her eyes badget and I bet almost noone knows (p.s.. the ancient graphics of l2 sc*****tics were TONS better than this knew ones shilen looks like ****.. ) and the all catacomb seal thing is a failure... the mosnters of an other dimenstion were not exactly by shilens side and generally I dont know were to begin and were to end the story ****** is huge..

Lineage used to be acurate until Gracia (and maybe freya but I wasnt active then) now its just a ton of Bull ****...........

P.S why am I able to see the buffs of other players outside my party and their HP stat??? lol an other thing that makes pvp needing less brains.......


P.S2
Just because it seems that I hate the update... Lineage 2 GoD has nice changes in graphics in skills and in mobs and I like the knew ideas that what I dont like its tha backend changes (server configuration changes) and storyline changes.

i think those are some valid points but lets consider the following:


1.- the game was pretty much dead.

2.- the amount of grinding was way too much for a player that want to enjoy the game in comparison with all the new mmos in the actual market ... and despite that fact, in l2 you still need a big amount of grind and such to get end game gears.

3.- is it true that sucks that everyone now can see your buffs and hp status, but look around and you do in almost every mmo around as well.

4.- the new plot and story line does actually matter if you're a hardcore role player and even with that i still have my doubts.

5.- this game was only resurrected as pilot for the further usage of the NCoins in the future NCsoft releases .

7.- is not like a new player can beat that easy on pvp an experienced old school player even with the same gear and lvl.

Yes I agree that it was dieing but I think its for other reasons.

Reason 1) Ingame injustice (letting all the noobs gear up like crazy avoif banning the bot clans and generally the big firm bot parties, not shutting down the pirate market -because probably NCsoft gets its cut on those profits-)

2) to expensive to maintain...


I think Lineage 2 would have many active players if NCsoft changed its policy like very cheap subscription fee with big discounts on big orders (like 1 year subscription etc) and allowing with the same subscription more accounts like 3 accounts per subscription.

In that way many players would still play and many noobs wouldnt touch the game and prefere the crappy private servers (also I think that the game now laggs a lot because of that).



I know that new mmos have features and stuff but If I wanted to play other MMO's I would start to play other mmo's not lineage!! lineage2 is a SPECIFIC mmo not like others!

You have classes with specific characteristics no tech trees (now with the stupid 4th class it seems it has gone that way as well... I played for years a necro -by the time it was considered and inferrior class since sourcerer, which is now a total fail :P, was considered an umber mage class) I insited.. even when necros get somehow degraded skills in compare with other classes... and now NCsoft tells me that I have to merge into a sourcere class forgeting cdl,TP,summons,banes etc? geez why did I start this hybrid class then?


Also noone dissagreed that a pro player will always be a pro and a noob a noob... but now the games allows more than ever noobs to get overpowered.

And the most sad thing it doesn allow newbies to becom pro players.. everything happened very fast without context and everything is easy with not need of learning strategys or methods...

I remember the days when I was afraid just to WALK in TOI for example(not even to mention the need of blueprints etc)... now its just pew pew pew.

Learning how to do stuff and how to survive makes pro players... if everything is purchasable and everything easy (just target and hit with something) then you cant become a pro player..

and last but not least ok I can live with NCcoins and I think there wasnt a need to make all this **** in order to implement them...... they could still have a cheap subscription with the freedoms I described and players would still exist and use nccoin system.

This even after 10+ years of existance has the qualities to be huge. NCsoft just ***** it a little that my personal opinnion.

EDIT: Also I want to add there everything seemed serious in old lineage... because there was a fear of loss.. and that fear maked you think of exploits and strategys and generally ways to survive and to cope!
because you were paying and you should make most out of your prepaid time.
and because there were dissadvantages if you die..
Now its just pew pew pew get lvl pew pew get S80 pew pew pew.
Even the new karma system is kinda g@y........ atleast the pvps are still the same..

Thats called evolution. When max lvl is 99 and most of game content is concentrated around these high levels, it would be silly to spend 10 months getting even to 85.

there's few points you're completely mistaken ... however is not liike if they are going to change the new system, so i'd recommend you deal with it.