Scamming by NCsoft

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hay guys

i got 2 problem right now with playing l2, well more with donation while playing l2.

NCoins:

1600 = 20 $
1600 = 19.20€

guys u kiddin us? we all know what euro got much more worth, why u make such a rate? Its scamming just to inform you what u are doing right now.

other thing is, why do you sell vitality items which are supposed to make the vit bar full, which gives you total maybe 10% of the vit bar? thats hardcore scamming and i want you to change it and compensate for what u did to every1 which bought it already like i did.

if you cant handle with money and ingame reward just leave it.
erm the money thing dont think its a scam you might wanna check reason for it....... everyone knows EU normally pays a bit more then 14.99 USD then NA does. So no shocker the EU peeps pays more then NA


Also the whole pot thing is already in many other post not sure why make another one.


Everything in this post already been complained about and explained the only thing thats hasnt been explained is the pots
You don't get your money in dollars, why would they charge you exactly the same?

There is NO REASON AT ALL to use the current conversion rates. You have to pay exactly the same % of your money than anyone in USA, that's just fair.
You have to pay exactly the same % of your money than anyone in USA, that's just fair.

Your logic escapes me.

20.00 EUR = 26.8257 USD

Fair would be the ability to pay in USD regardless of where you live. Just because your dollar is stronger, it shouldn't give any company the right to take advantage of it. Though, even though I am in Canada I still pay in USD so I don't know why Europe is treated any differently.

Is it fair, too, that people in Australia have to pay $90 or $100 USD (yes, USD, not AUS) for games that cost $50 or $60 USD in the US?
You don't get your money in dollars, why would they charge you exactly the same?

There is NO REASON AT ALL to use the current conversion rates. You have to pay exactly the same % of your money than anyone in USA, that's just fair.

It is simply stupid. I have several accounts which run under the same master account and which are all paid via the same credit card. Two of them are in USD, the others are in euro. So if I ever decide to put the same amount of NCoin on all of my accounts, I'd have to pay far more for some of them even though the accounts are all owned by the same player and are all under the same master account and paid from the same credit card. It just makes no sense. At least give me the CHOICE somewhere which currency I want to use.
Buy timecards at local stores..

90 Days = 25€

'Nuff Said. :)
You don't get your money in dollars, why would they charge you exactly the same?

There is NO REASON AT ALL to use the current conversion rates. You have to pay exactly the same % of your money than anyone in USA, that's just fair.

I do not have US nor Euro, yet I'm forced to pay in Euro. I pay more due this, can you please clarify why I need to do this with your supposedly brilliant logic.
Your logic escapes me.

20.00 EUR = 26.8257 USD

Fair would be the ability to pay in USD regardless of where you live. Just because your dollar is stronger, it shouldn't give any company the right to take advantage of it. Though, even though I am in Canada I still pay in USD so I don't know why Europe is treated any differently.

Is it fair, too, that people in Australia have to pay $90 or $100 USD (yes, USD, not AUS) for games that cost $50 or $60 USD in the US?

+1,
and by the same rationale, In England we shouldn't be paying $9 per gallon of fuel..
I do not have US nor Euro, yet I'm forced to pay in Euro. I pay more due this, can you please clarify why I need to do this with your supposedly brilliant logic.

Not sure I understand that PleChan. If you don't have "US nor Euro", what do you have?
+1,
and by the same rationale, In England we shouldn't be paying $9 per gallon of fuel..


Instead we pay 1.5€(~2.5USD) per litre.
Ha ! We can get 45 liters for 1 USD over here. Socialism ftw?
You don't get your money in dollars, why would they charge you exactly the same?

There is NO REASON AT ALL to use the current conversion rates. You have to pay exactly the same % of your money than anyone in USA, that's just fair.
Let me inform you. Average wage is not the same in whole Europe, in fact in some countries it is twice as much as in some others. Hence, Europe doesn't have higher standard of living than US. Since there's no postage or additional taxes or any other expences, there's absolutely no reason why would an European have to pay 30% more than an American for the same thing.

Not sure I understand that PleChan. If you don't have "US nor Euro", what do you have?
Seriously? What if I tell you that not only there are EU countries without Euro, but also EU countries that are not in EU?
And why pay in euro when you don't even have the euro as a currency. That would be like a european company forcing americans to pay in mexican pesos (or whatever they have).
And why pay in euro when you don't even have the euro as a currency. That would be like a european company forcing americans to pay in mexican pesos (or whatever they have).

If you buy from a European company you pay in Euro no matter where you live. Similarly if you buy from a US company you pay in USD.

Common wisdom is accounts depending on the IP (or origin of retail cdkey) they had at account creation got assigned to one of the two profit centers, either NA or EU, and were charged accordingly. For years even the monthly subscription in Euro was more expensive
hay guys

i got 2 problem right now with playing l2, well more with donation while playing l2.

NCoins:

1600 = 20 $
1600 = 19.20€

guys u kiddin us? we all know what euro got much more worth, why u make such a rate? Its scamming just to inform you what u are doing right now.




This has been discussed ad nausem all over the internet...maybe do a little search and you would realize that it's not a NCsoft scam, but an EU scam.I'll even give you a little help; look up VAT tax.

Also for the non-EU countries reason why you pay is because all transactions are handled in UK, so basically the EU is screwing you guys over too.

Want that fixed then you are going to have to get your governments to change it since there isn't a **** thing NCsoft can do about it.
Ha ! We can get 45 liters for 1 USD over here. Socialism ftw?

0.30€/L in Angola.

0.05€/L in UAE

Dictatorship FTW?

I'll even give you a little help; look up VAT tax.

VAT for my country is 23% not 50-60%.
0.30€/L in Angola.

0.05€/L in UAE

Dictatorship FTW?



VAT for my country is 23% not 50-60%.

convert 100 USD to Euro and add 23% and basic comission (or just use a bank's buy rate instead of the cross), you 'll come surprisingly close to the Euro price they charge for NCCoins ;)
If you buy from a European company you pay in Euro no matter where you live.

Only if its part of the euro zone.

And last I checked, NCSoft West is an american company, not european. They are not required to charge in euro.
True.. but if I buy in USD, I pay bank commission only. 200USD = 3€.

For NC to charge me VAT, they would have to be a registered company in my country.. guess what.. they aren't!

And since we're buying a service IN the US, currency is USD, not Euro.. or did the US joined the euro and I'm not aware?

They got evicted from Europe...

Fortunately a family friend of mine, gets me Timecards at an amazing price.. so the Destiny pack cost me 25€.
NCSoft/NCWest destroyed the game so much that some companies are selling TC stock at half the price. 60 days = 14€!
VAT for my country is 23% not 50-60%.

If you would do some simple math you would realize that the VAT included equals out to be between 20-25% depending on current exchange rates (that spread is probably much larger, and you could get a more accurate if you were to use a sample size larger than 1).
Only if its part of the euro zone.

And last I checked, NCSoft West is an american company, not european. They are not required to charge in euro.

I believe NCWest's Euro profit center is in the UK, that's where all the Euro customers are booked
True.. but if I buy in USD, I pay bank commission only. 200USD = 3€.

For NC to charge me VAT, they would have to be a registered company in my country.. guess what.. they aren't!

And since we're buying a service IN the US, currency is USD, not Euro.. or did the US joined the euro and I'm not aware?

They got evicted from Europe...

Fortunately a family friend of mine, gets me Timecards at an amazing price.. so the Destiny pack cost me 25€.
NCSoft/NCWest destroyed the game so much that some companies are selling TC stock at half the price. 60 days = 14€!

Their European billing company is based in UK not US, again that is why all European customers have to pay VAT (unless they got a hold of a US client).
I'm a "US client" forced to pay in Euros.
They are still better than STEAM.
I have friends located in the US so when we decided to buy few games the price miss-match was :X i can't comment on it :D

For example...if for an US citizen a game costs 19.99$ it costs 19.99 euro for european player :D Cool story :DD