I just spent another 5 hours grinding out the one rep from one PK. ONE! I got -7xx rep and no where to go but down. If it wasnt for that fact that you cant delevel anymore I would probably have lost over 5-10 levels by now.
I think this is ridiculous. This is the second character of mine its happened to. I thought my first char with multiple kills was just having a bad day but this??? ONE kill taking 5+ hours to get rid of! This has killed PVP for me. I will never use Ctrl Attack ever again.
I suggest the GMs and developers go make a Lineage 1 account and play on the Korean servers. That's how PVP should be! Especially in Lineage!
ur screwed if you pk at any lvl, i bet if they made people go purple while attacking red toons, that alot less people wouldn't bother with tryin to kill pk'ers
PvP is not dead, it is where it is supposed to be... at sieges, TW, Olys and Clan wars. PKing is not PvP, it's just preying on the weak. If you prey on the weak, you are just a villain. Villains should be punished. SEVERELY!! NCSoft got the right idea with this new system.
PvP is not dead, it is where it is supposed to be... at sieges, TW, Olys and Clan wars. PKing is not PvP, it's just preying on the weak. If you prey on the weak, you are just a villain. Villains should be punished. SEVERELY!! NCSoft got the right idea with this new system.
Nobody likes to be PK'd.
And what exactly stops a 40-50-60 level toon with undroppable gear staying in talking island and killing level 1 noobs? Nothing. So yeah, you just came to my words, system fails at what it is supposed to fix
I PK'd on my 80 dagger, it took me about 3 mins to work it off, but it is still a bad system.
500k to remove 1 PK is horrendous and unrealistic so you can pretty much only afford to PK a few times because you can't remove them. At high levels it isn't as bad removing them as I said, but I do hope that a new way of removing the PK's is added.
PvP is not dead, it is where it is supposed to be... at sieges, TW, Olys and Clan wars. PKing is not PvP, it's just preying on the weak. If you prey on the weak, you are just a villain. Villains should be punished. SEVERELY!! NCSoft got the right idea with this new system.
Nobody likes to be PK'd.
Wut? I like to be pk'd, I actually LOVE to be PK'd. Why? Because it adds an extra level of excitement to the game. If you're forced to pay attention, stay on your toes, and actually look out for PK'ers it makes things a lot more exiting.
The reason I PK'd someone is because as a dagger I can't do daily quests, this guy stole my spot, drops, and refused to party me. So am I now the villain because I can't compete with a mage for a quest spot? Am I a villain because I asked for a party but was refused because the mages greed? Am I a villain for defending myself and my spot when I was refused a party? I don't think so.
And what exactly stops a 40-50-60 level toon with undroppable gear staying in talking island and killing level 1 noobs? Nothing. So yeah, you just came to my words, system fails at what it is supposed to fix
After 31 PKs, under the new system, your augmented undroppable weapon becomes droppable and becomes someone elses property. As to if it keeps it's elements and SA, I don't remember- it's late.
I PK'd on my 80 dagger, it took me about 3 mins to work it off, but it is still a bad system.
500k to remove 1 PK is horrendous and unrealistic so you can pretty much only afford to PK a few times because you can't remove them. At high levels it isn't as bad removing them as I said, but I do hope that a new way of removing the PK's is added.
Wut? I like to be pk'd, I actually LOVE to be PK'd. Why? Because it adds an extra level of excitement to the game. If you're forced to pay attention, stay on your toes, and actually look out for PK'ers it makes things a lot more exiting.
The reason I PK'd someone is because as a dagger I can't do daily quests, this guy stole my spot, drops, and refused to party me. So am I now the villain because I can't compete with a mage for a quest spot? Am I a villain because I asked for a party but was refused because the mages greed? Am I a villain for defending myself and my spot when I was refused a party? I don't think so.
lol One man's villain is another man's freedom fighter. You PK just because no one want's to party with you? Are you the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People by Assaulting Them"? lol just kidding. No seriously, I do feel your pain. It is hard to compete with mages and archers.
I PK'd on my 80 dagger, it took me about 3 mins to work it off, but it is still a bad system.
500k to remove 1 PK is horrendous and unrealistic so you can pretty much only afford to PK a few times because you can't remove them. At high levels it isn't as bad removing them as I said, but I do hope that a new way of removing the PK's is added.
Wut? I like to be pk'd, I actually LOVE to be PK'd. Why? Because it adds an extra level of excitement to the game. If you're forced to pay attention, stay on your toes, and actually look out for PK'ers it makes things a lot more exiting.
The reason I PK'd someone is because as a dagger I can't do daily quests, this guy stole my spot, drops, and refused to party me. So am I now the villain because I can't compete with a mage for a quest spot? Am I a villain because I asked for a party but was refused because the mages greed? Am I a villain for defending myself and my spot when I was refused a party? I don't think so.
PvP is not dead, it is where it is supposed to be... at sieges, TW, Olys and Clan wars. PKing is not PvP, it's just preying on the weak. If you prey on the weak, you are just a villain. Villains should be punished. SEVERELY!! NCSoft got the right idea with this new system.
Nobody likes to be PK'd.
open pvp drives the politics. Pking was never a big issue beyond the temporary trouble of getting rezzed. Going red, and dropping items and gear (including an augmented weapon is by far as far as this needs to go.)
ur screwed if you pk at any lvl, i bet if they made people go purple while attacking red toons, that alot less people wouldn't bother with tryin to kill pk'ers
how are you "screwed at any level" when each mob I kill gives me 80 rep?
@OP PVP != PK, PVP assumes the willingness of the other party to participate, PK assumes your willingness to kill the other party no matter what the consequences. PVP is fine. PK for lowbies has a very high price.
Its so boring...
forums are not made for you.
You don't like anything that someone says and disagree all the time, say stuff like "Oh useless thread".
Your useless, forums are to give feedback and help, not disagree at every step.
For this topic:
This pk system is the same as karma (well almost) when you pk at a low lvl, you get 300-400 karma/per person, to get rid of karma at lvl 40 with 400 karma, it will take you a lot of time - you need to kill 400 mobs.
If you pk at high level from every kill you get about 1k karma (if you have some pk count) so would have to kill about 3-4 mobs to get rid of 1k karma. I think it's the same with rep points (but i am not sure, this is my guess).
Title PVP IS Dead . and inside it is about pk ! pro!
PK IS(!!!) a form of PvP. PvP just means player vs. player. No more no less. Whether or not the combat takes place on a consensual basis does not affect a whether combat is qualified as PvP or not. See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player).
As for the topic: I'm really frustrated with the new system. While I understand that villians are supposed to punished, the system is way too harsh on PKing in early to mid game.
I've got a lvl 38 toon (archer) and got -680 reputation. I'm out of supplies so I won't manage to farm the required amount of reputation in a reasonable amount of time, which means that I have to reroll my character. And this really sux.
It does not make any sense, and I can't understand how NC Soft feels that this is the way the game is meant to be played. I invested more than 10 hours in leveling and just because I killed one single player, I am forced to reroll? WHY?
PK adds an intersting thrill that is all around you when you PvE. I don't see why they would want to shut that down so drastically.
What most disappoints me, however, is some of the players, who just accept the new system, nod to it, just go with it, no matter how obvious the unreasonable drawbacks of that new implementation.
I've got a lvl 38 toon (archer) and got -680 reputation. I'm out of supplies so I won't manage to farm the required amount of reputation in a reasonable amount of time, which means that I have to reroll my character. And this really sux.
Whats the big deal? Level 38? :eek: It takes about 4-5 hours to reroll,and all the gear is free.
I just spent another 5 hours grinding out the one rep from one PK. ONE! I got -7xx rep and no where to go but down. If it wasnt for that fact that you cant delevel anymore I would probably have lost over 5-10 levels by now.
I think this is ridiculous. This is the second character of mine its happened to. I thought my first char with multiple kills was just having a bad day but this??? ONE kill taking 5+ hours to get rid of! This has killed PVP for me. I will never use Ctrl Attack ever again.
I suggest the GMs and developers go make a Lineage 1 account and play on the Korean servers. That's how PVP should be! Especially in Lineage!
PK != PVP
PVP is a situation when you try to kill player from clan with active clanwar status with your clan. If player is flagged and wants to attack you too its called PVP. Also PVP is a making 1vs1 Duel, party vs Party duel and Olympiad.
PK is a situation when you try to kill unflagged player. It means that you try to kill player who dont want to pvp. You make uncomfortable game for this player. Noone is obliged to attack each other. So this PK system is a very good addition and good punishment to people like you.
Goddess of Destruction is completely PVE update
PvP is not dead, it is where it is supposed to be... at sieges, TW, Olys and Clan wars. PKing is not PvP, it's just preying on the weak. If you prey on the weak, you are just a villain. Villains should be punished. SEVERELY!! NCSoft got the right idea with this new system.
Nobody likes to be PK'd.
The biggest lol known to mankind for this post,
First this game is a PVP game PKing is part of that, Pking is needed in PVP it adds that element,
Take these examples,
1 – Aoeing in FOG with a party another party comes and starts pvping you roll them, meanwhile in all the ruckus some random nonfactor has been taking your drops, what do you do? PK him.
2- Clan war PVPing enemy clan has untagged resser that is rezing members, what do you do PK him
3- Aoeing and some noob trains you, PK them.
4 – Some noob mage ksing you, Pk them
5 – Some noob untagged warcryer rolls up ready to gate chant a party in, pk him
PKING IS PART OF L2 IF YOU DON’T WANT TO GET KILLED DON’T PLAY THIS GAME now the system has been ruined,
Now if you want to look at the low levels, you get these nonfactors saying you mad? After ksing cause they know they are protected by this useless system.
And this system does nothing to stop pking, if you really want to like was said I can level to 60 in a day and go to TI and kill noobs till my hearts content, so really they didn’t fix anything
The biggest lol known to mankind for this post,
First this game is a PVP game PKing is part of that, Pking is needed in PVP it adds that element,
Take these examples,
1 – Aoeing in FOG with a party another party comes and starts pvping you roll them, meanwhile in all the ruckus some random nonfactor has been taking your drops, what do you do? PK him.
2- Clan war PVPing enemy clan has untagged resser that is rezing members, what do you do PK him
3- Aoeing and some noob trains you, PK them.
4 – Some noob mage ksing you, Pk them
5 – Some noob untagged warcryer rolls up ready to gate chant a party in, pk him
PKING IS PART OF L2 IF YOU DON’T WANT TO GET KILLED DON’T PLAY THIS GAME now the system has been ruined,
Now you get these nonfactors saying you mad? After ksing cause they know they are protected by this useless system.
And this system does nothing to stop pking, if you really want to like was said I can level to 60 in a day and go to TI and kill noobs till my hearts content, they didn’t fix anything just made things worse.
Gratz
you are still living in your small 80lv world, while game is going up to 99lv, where everything is diffrent. no one cares about your low level pvp, gate chants or untag ressers. it takes 2min to clean pk on 85+. dont see any problem to pk someone and clean it
you are still living in your small 80lv world, while game is going up to 99lv, where everything is diffrent. no one cares about your low level pvp, gate chants or untag ressers. it takes 2min to clean pk on 85+. dont see any problem to pk someone and clean it
I was quoting the post where they said that PK was not part of PVP, i was giving examples of how it is. I never said it was hard to work of karma at high levels. Your not even level 99 yet so fail more.
Since when PK is PvP? I think there is more PvP in killing a mob, it actually fights back!
@BlackSigma
Going purple for attacking a red character was implemented on Korean PTS in C3, but after week of testing that feature was removed.
PK is PvP. So you dont like pk's because they ruin your good time? Well those idiots who let me tank and get a mob to low health then KS me ruin my good time. I dont see them having to work off rep because of it.
WITH OUT RECOURSE TO BEING BEING JERKS (THREAT OF DIEING, XP LOSS) THIS GAME IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BIG BAD GAME OF NAAA NAA NA BOO BOO...
But you get a PK when the other player doesn't fight back, so PK ain't player vs player.
And KSing and being a jerk isn't a form of PvP? It is wether you like it or not. So you dont want to pvp well I dont want you kill stealing me but you do it anyway. Where is your -720 rep?
And KSing and being a jerk isn't a form of PvP? It is wether you like it or not. So you dont want to pvp well I dont want you kill stealing me but you do it anyway. Where is your -720 rep?
The biggest lol known to mankind for this post,
First this game is a PVP game PKing is part of that, Pking is needed in PVP it adds that element,
Take these examples,
1 – Aoeing in FOG with a party another party comes and starts pvping you roll them, meanwhile in all the ruckus some random nonfactor has been taking your drops, what do you do? PK him.
2- Clan war PVPing enemy clan has untagged resser that is rezing members, what do you do PK him
3- Aoeing and some noob trains you, PK them.
4 – Some noob mage ksing you, Pk them
5 – Some noob untagged warcryer rolls up ready to gate chant a party in, pk him
PKING IS PART OF L2 IF YOU DON’T WANT TO GET KILLED DON’T PLAY THIS GAME now the system has been ruined,
Now if you want to look at the low levels, you get these nonfactors saying you mad? After ksing cause they know they are protected by this useless system.
And this system does nothing to stop pking, if you really want to like was said I can level to 60 in a day and go to TI and kill noobs till my hearts content, so really they didn’t fix anything
Gratz
You are right, PKing is part of L2. It's an option of L2. You can PK to your hearts content. But with the new system, NCSoft is clearly trying to let you know that their definition of PvP is different than yours. They kept the option of PKing the griefers, KSers and anyone else that you decide to unleash your skills on, but they clearly want you to really be serious with the PK choice because the consequences of it is quite serious.
They kept the PK in L2, and they now made it interesting to do so. lol
PK system is perfect.. the problem is that there are too many idiots trying to kill un-armed people.
at higher lvls you clean off your karma/bad rep points easy,at low lvl,you deserve to loose your character for your noobish acts...
PK = Player Kill :mad:
PVP= Player vs Player :cool:
PK is not PVP cuz it takes 2 to PVP, while it takes 1 angry person,or just a jerk who love wasting other peoples time to PK.
and yes,some people seriously need to be PK'ed for being ********,but thats also part of the game right?
PK is part of the game,PVP is the best part of the game and KS'ers is the bonus part of the game, add it all up and you get LINEAGE 2...:eek:
this new system is to show cowards to fight someone their own size (level in this pixel world)
besides,if u wanna pk someone from another clan,declare clan war, i heard that there is no more decline option,and once you decline it,its automatic clan wars for like half a month or so,you can kill the wartags until they leave clan.. yea,alot of major active clans are warring unactive small clans.. fun... :confused:
Actually, pvp just means that one player is competing with another in a certain way(lv, money, equips, etc....). Player versus Player, doesn't necessarily means "fisical" agression between 2 characters; if i "have" to kill another player because i want a spot, or he/she is ksing me its a pvp situation, we both are competing for that spot, even if he/she doesn't fight back its a response for me.
So if you think that other people makes you waste your precious time, only because they are making the game more competitive, you should leave, and go play a non-pvp game.
if you love PK so much why don't you go play EVE online. it's the game made specifically for those like yourself. you can even profit from being PK there by taking their stuff off their 'corpse'. you can even play for free if you PK enough :)
its a double edge sword again.. those who love pkin and cannot live their lives without wasting someone else's time will tell others to go play a pve only game,while those who dont like to have their time wasted by no lifers tell them to play a pure pk/pvp thats meant for them..
lineage obviously was NOT meant for pk or pvp only... if that was the case then why do we have to sit for countless hours grinding,killing the same mobs over and over and over just to achieve something?
why do we have to go through extra meassures just to get a certain gear?
why could'nt they just make it easier for us to gear up then go straight into pvp?
why did they put a karma/chaotic/bad rep instead of just leaving people to kill each other without the worries of loosing their items and getting hit by everyone cuz ur red?
so before anyone says,if you dont like pk,go play a carebear game,think about it first...
I don't think the pvp system is dead. What I like about it is hat if your a good pvp'er then you wouldn't complain about clearing up your name right. prove that your able to stand up and fight for your sins if your a sinner. Sounds like you people don't want to visit the priest after you committed a sin. Sounds like you want a get out of jail card like in monopoly.
If anything the pvp system filters out those who say they like going red for a short period of time and calling themselves pvp'ers after they have loaded up all their vid's on youtube. Well this system reflects upon your own guts. Are you good enough to stand the test of time of your own sins. Are you able to live up to the prestige level of pvp'ing when going red.
This is the answer to all you QQers about pking. GO GREEN! The rep from a green name counter acts the karma from pking. Please keep your QQing out the forums and learn to play please.
PK IS(!!!) a form of PvP. PvP just means player vs. player. No more no less. Whether or not the combat takes place on a consensual basis does not affect a whether combat is qualified as PvP or not. See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player).
As for the topic: I'm really frustrated with the new system. While I understand that villians are supposed to punished, the system is way too harsh on PKing in early to mid game.
I've got a lvl 38 toon (archer) and got -680 reputation. I'm out of supplies so I won't manage to farm the required amount of reputation in a reasonable amount of time, which means that I have to reroll my character. And this really sux.
It does not make any sense, and I can't understand how NC Soft feels that this is the way the game is meant to be played. I invested more than 10 hours in leveling and just because I killed one single player, I am forced to reroll? WHY?
PK adds an intersting thrill that is all around you when you PvE. I don't see why they would want to shut that down so drastically.
What most disappoints me, however, is some of the players, who just accept the new system, nod to it, just go with it, no matter how obvious the unreasonable drawbacks of that new implementation.
you don't need to reroll, or kill mobs to get rid off bad rep, you can just kill fresh karma, and when i say karma, i mean not ppl with bad rep.
you can make karma on other acc and kill it with your main char(who has bad rep), one killed fresh karma will add +360 rep points
18+ example. To say that PK is PvP is like to say that mas turbation and sex are same thing. Really, just change the title. We are bored of complaining about the new system. Just play the game. There is more than enough PvP in it.
I think the system is good avoiding killing people but low lvl like me, it's hard to spend about 6 Hours to remove the pk ...
Not to mention that when you get killed you lose air time to return to the area where you can drop mobs
pk 2 times I've been trying to win a pvp with my prophet. and the other for killing a mage .. and it's just hell ...
most of all karma to lower the prophet that everyone wants to kill him just to win 360 of positive reputation
the system is somewhat exaggerated but well .. just a detail because when you kill not low karma ... That would help no matter how much karma you can always lower in the few hours not 3 days later you pulling down a prophet karma playing daily at most 6 Hours
Originally Posted by SPELHWLRRRRRyeah
PvP is not dead, it is where it is supposed to be... at sieges, TW, Olys and Clan wars. PKing is not PvP, it's just preying on the weak. If you prey on the weak, you are just a villain. Villains should be punished. SEVERELY!! NCSoft got the right idea with this new system.
Nobody likes to be PK'd.
People like you ruin this game, aside from the pk thing which i don't care about cause soon i'll be pk'ing non stop just for people like you, but anyways. PvP is NOT only for sieges/tw's etc. etc. if it was i wouldn't be able to flag everywhere, correct? I have flagged numerous times in crowded areas on this new server, and nobody attacks. w t f is that people. Suddenly you have to be in a pt to flag? With a clan? It always ends up 2 chars at least attacking me, which sometimes thankfully turns into +2 pvp. But i have YET to have a 1v1 on this server. At 62 level that is ridiculous.
OK i was making an alt, trying out the new level system and having a great time,
while in ruins of despair i had a little spot, some guy cAme in and kept KS me over and over, so i shoot a little spell his way,(like we have all done for years just to give em a heads up that its my spot and u need to fight to take it) CRIT !!!!! he goes down i turn some lucky sap Green....
I look and -700 some rep. ok no biggee right? hell no lol 1 rep point per mob? im like ok i like this char ill work it off.... after a guy attacked and killed me 3 times i went back and smoked him...... yeah 47 pks later i deleted character. some of those people outside of Gludio wernt to happy but i figured id go out with a bang!
I make another character and im in wastelands and i see 30 yes 30 dwarf bots running around in unision. old system i would of killed a couple just to kill a couple... NOT now lol i just had to let them consume the entire area and move on.
no real point to the original POST just figured id share :P
I do have a question, You say at higher levels its easier to work off? how so? I have a mid 70's character, if i kill a KS bot or other player/ i can work that off easy enough? i mean a crit on a weaker player can easily kill them, because after what i saw with that alt i turned red, i dont wanna smack anyone! lol
you don't need to reroll, or kill mobs to get rid off bad rep, you can just kill fresh karma, and when i say karma, i mean not ppl with bad rep.
you can make karma on other acc and kill it with your main char(who has bad rep), one killed fresh karma will add +360 rep points
PS.
Colors:
Karma
Bad rep
good rep
Thought of this before. Only problem is that neiher do I have a second PC or laptop, nor do I have a premium account to launch the game multiple times simultaniously.
Thought of this before. Only problem is that neiher do I have a second PC or laptop, nor do I have a premium account to launch the game multiple times simultaniously.
FAIL :D
Maybe you should take a deep look into the NCsoft Launcher ;)
I'll flag if there's reason too (run up to me naked and punch me all you want, I've been around too long to fall for that :rolleyes: ).
I have no problems flagging or going red :) Especially on you ks'ers stealing my quest mobs.
To the QQ'ers: If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Don't like it? there are tons of other games with far less pvp you might enjoy, go play wow. Or play gate games...
PK at low lvls has ALWAYS been a waste, the system may have changed, but that hasn't. It's always been harder to loose karma at low levels than high levels.
you don't need to reroll, or kill mobs to get rid off bad rep, you can just kill fresh karma, and when i say karma, i mean not ppl with bad rep.
you can make karma on other acc and kill it with your main char(who has bad rep), one killed fresh karma will add +360 rep points
PS.
Colors:
Karma
Bad rep
good rep
So you mean I have to kill players who have just recently killed another player? Is that different from killing a red person? Because you seem to want to stree a difference there.
So you mean I have to kill players who have just recently killed another player? Is that different from killing a red person? Because you seem to want to stree a difference there.
If someone PK's even ONE person they are instantly red (chaotic). Kill that person to gain 360 positive reputation points. You only get the points if they are NOT 10 levels or more below your current level.
Edit: Btw I believe any PK system like this is a must since you should have open world PVP/PK and it the PKER should indeed be punished. It's a fully thought of process which I love. Another game was just like this only the flaw was that the victim could lost armor/items when they were PKed and since the PKer had friends and was stronger it was 100% unfair and made a giant gap in the system that needed to be fixed. Sadly they never fixed it.