ive had 3 active accounts for 7+ years and ive had up to 6 accounts active and paid at different points during that time. ive bought destiny packs or whatever those worthless things are to continue supporting this game.
ive spent thousands of dollars paid to NCsoft for this game and i cant log in cause 1000s of nubs wanna play now that the game is free...
please limit the number of accounts that can be created on a server to the number of accounts that the server can handle.
i cant play my way... i cant even play. so if i cant play i wont pay.
accounts created before the game was free should always be able to log in to game, if you need to disconnect fee accounts so i can get on you better do it. free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
You have to ask yourself a question: Did you enjoy the game the previous seven years?
If you paid and paid over and over again so after 10 years maybe you can enjoy the game then you have failed.
You pay for a game as long as you enjoy it. You don't pay in order to enjoy it after some years...
Would you pay for a game that it is not rpg if you didn't enjoy it?
Im in exactly the same boat. Since its been free i have hardly had the opportunity to log into Naia. Then when you do get in there is masses amount of lag. I think NC has bitten off more than they can chew and the only ones that are going to get annoyed by it are the dedicated players that actually didnt mind paying for the game. I miss lag free hunting zones and being able to log in when i want to play!
I just dont know how they are going to fix it as NC dont own the rights to EU servers anymore so i doubt they can expand the server. Plus the recently influx of players must cost the company more as they will need more members of staff and i doubt they have made much money from the new system as there is not much worth purchasing from the shop. Hopefully things will come together in the end but i cant see how it is going to work.
Maybe its time to move on from Lineage. I had fun time playing but i miss the relaxed element of the game. Like being able to play all night and not having to worry that i might not be able to log in and not having to worry that if you DC you might never be able to log back in. Can you imagine how bad it is going to be on big Events or double XP weekends ect. I dont even want to think about it haha. This isnt a QQ by any means. Just a realization
Lets be real, the only people that area really upset are the old people who play just to find those one or two friends to send whispers to otherwise they don't mind being in a large world filled with just bots and mobs, or did we forget bots plagued this game? More ppl is good, and lets hope somehow they make enough revenue with this to upgrade servers and get **** running good instead of shutting the game down so we all have to play WoW or something with absolutely no depth or skill needed.
ive had 3 active accounts for 7+ years and ive had up to 6 accounts active and paid at different points during that time. ive bought destiny packs or whatever those worthless things are to continue supporting this game.
ive spent thousands of dollars paid to NCsoft for this game and i cant log in cause 1000s of nubs wanna play now that the game is free...
please limit the number of accounts that can be created on a server to the number of accounts that the server can handle.
i cant play my way... i cant even play. so if i cant play i wont pay.
accounts created before the game was free should always be able to log in to game, if you need to disconnect fee accounts so i can get on you better do it. free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
You are incredibly selfish. And you probably don't realize it.
Whether or not you paid before, payment is no longer required, but optional. At the moment you pay the same as all the "free players". you ARE a "free player".
Besides, the game went F2P for a reason, it needed more people to turn a profit. if you lock out new people you're back to the old situation where the servers look like they're gonna shut down any second.
Im in exactly the same boat. Since its been free i have hardly had the opportunity to log into Naia. Then when you do get in there is masses amount of lag. I think NC has bitten off more than they can chew and the only ones that are going to get annoyed by it are the dedicated players that actually didnt mind paying for the game. I miss lag free hunting zones and being able to log in when i want to play!
so completely wrong. Everyone gets annoyed if they can't log in to a game they want to play.
I just dont know how they are going to fix it as NC dont own the rights to EU servers anymore so i doubt they can expand the server. Plus the recently influx of players must cost the company more as they will need more members of staff and i doubt they have made much money from the new system as there is not much worth purchasing from the shop. Hopefully things will come together in the end but i cant see how it is going to work.
I don't see any indication that the staff has increased. L2 has run on a skeleton crew for years.
I don't see why they would have to increase staff if they added 2 more servers, it's not like they actually do anything on them. (and if they do, it's the wrong things, petitions don't get answered, and bots don't get removed)
Maybe its time to move on from Lineage. I had fun time playing but i miss the relaxed element of the game. Like being able to play all night and not having to worry that i might not be able to log in and not having to worry that if you DC you might never be able to log back in. Can you imagine how bad it is going to be on big Events or double XP weekends ect. I dont even want to think about it haha. This isnt a QQ by any means. Just a realization
Game has been free for one and a half week, if everyone sticks around till a double exp weekend, that is fantastic for the game. and I bet we will see new servers.
It's unlikely though, a lot will start to quit when they hit the grind at especially 80+ where there are zero dailies, but the time to level still increases exponentially as you go up. so plenty wont make it to S grade.
Then when you do get in there is masses amount of lag.
I don't have lag nor any of my clan mates nor anyone i know. stop complaining when it's your fault. Get a new PC and better internet conection, no wonder when only a few 1k played you were lag free, and plus this is GOD, pc requirements are greater than before.
Lets be real, the only people that area really upset are the old people who play just to find those one or two friends to send whispers to otherwise they don't mind being in a large world filled with just bots and mobs, or did we forget bots plagued this game? More ppl is good, and lets hope somehow they make enough revenue with this to upgrade servers and get **** running good instead of shutting the game down so we all have to play WoW or something with absolutely no depth or skill needed.
i dont think ppl complain because new players start the game, i personally think thats needed and good. they complain about NC that doesnt do its job and completely messed up the GoD release.
it could have been so easy...
open 2 or 3 south america servers so the tons of brasilian players who can say nothing but "f*** you" in english can play on their own and every1 else can log in normally.
so completely wrong. Everyone gets annoyed if they can't log in to a game they want to play.
I don't see any indication that the staff has increased. L2 has run on a skeleton crew for years.
I don't see why they would have to increase staff if they added 2 more servers, it's not like they actually do anything on them. (and if they do, it's the wrong things, petitions don't get answered, and bots don't get removed)
What i was getting at is they have not right to be annoyed. They did not spend a penny on the support of the game over the years. The people that have the right to be annoyed are the ones that have spent hundreds over the years while the rest of you were playing on private servers.
As for no new members of staff you need to open your eyes as you can clearly see new GM's on the boards ect and that is only a small percent of NC's working staff. Did you seriously think they would handle the influx of new players without any new members of staff?
I don't have lag nor any of my clan mates nor anyone i know. stop complaining when it's your fault. Get a new PC and better internet conection, no wonder when only a few 1k played you were lag free, and plus this is GOD, pc requirements are greater than before.
Im not complaining. Its called 'general discussion' and thats what im trying to do.
''no wonder when only a few 1k played you were lag free''. I see a slight contradiction there. So is it the amout of new players or my PC? From that last statement id would say the amount of players. Or do you want to go back to blaming my PC again?
Im not complaining. Its called 'general discussion' and thats what im trying to do.
''no wonder when only a few 1k played you were lag free''. I see a slight contradiction there. So is it the amout of new players or my PC? From that last statement id would say the amount of players. Or do you want to go back to blaming my PC again?
There's no contradiction, when there were few players, your PC could simply have better FPS, with the new influx of players, you have mass amounts of lags (as you claimed to have) while me nor anyone i know has, so i have to take from the obvious it's your pc fault, unless you mean delays due to net conection which i don't have either.
Gamebooster is cool, but i didn't use it yet, you should try.
What i was getting at is they have not right to be annoyed. They did not spend a penny on the support of the game over the years. The people that have the right to be annoyed are the ones that have spent hundreds over the years while the rest of you were playing on private servers.
As for no new members of staff you need to open your eyes as you can clearly see new GM's on the boards ect and that is only a small percent of NC's working staff. Did you seriously think they would handle the influx of new players without any new members of staff?
Everyone has a right to be annoyed, being annoyed is a completely passive activity.
They don't have a right to demand changes. And neither does the people who paid for 20 accounts for 20 years. (exaggerated for emphasis)
You don't pay for the game anymore, you are at the same level as everyone else. What you did in the past changes nothing in the present other than the level you got and the items you accumulated.
Everyone's playing on a level field now.
The only right you have left as a player is to expect other users to follow the EULA and ToS because that is the only thing left that we have to accept when playing. If someone breaks that you're free to report it via a petition.
I say again, old and new players are no different under the new system, and shouldn't be treated as such.
Everyone has a right to be annoyed, being annoyed is a completely passive activity.
They don't have a right to demand changes. And neither does the people who paid for 20 accounts for 20 years. (exaggerated for emphasis)
You don't pay for the game anymore, you are at the same level as everyone else. What you did in the past changes nothing in the present other than the level you got and the items you accumulated.
Everyone's playing on a level field now.
Everyone has a right to be annoyed, being annoyed is a completely passive activity.
They don't have a right to demand changes. And neither does the people who paid for 20 accounts for 20 years. (exaggerated for emphasis)
You don't pay for the game anymore, you are at the same level as everyone else. What you did in the past changes nothing in the present other than the level you got and the items you accumulated.
Everyone's playing on a level field now.
The only right you have left as a player is to expect other users to follow the EULA and ToS because that is the only thing left that we have to accept when playing. If someone breaks that you're free to report it via a petition.
I say again, old and new players are no different under the new system, and shouldn't be treated as such.
Dude stop thinking your smart by posting definitions of words. You know what my point was so stop playing dumb. Its really not a good look. I really dont care for your game politics, they tend to go a little off topic.
There's no contradiction, when there were few players, your PC could simply have better FPS, with the new influx of players, you have mass amounts of lags (as you claimed to have) while me nor anyone i know has, so i have to take from the obvious it's your pc fault, unless you mean delays due to net conection which i don't have either.
Gamebooster is cool, but i didn't use it yet, you should try.
My connect is fine. You might start to feel the lag abit when you advance to new and busier hunting grounds
i dont think ppl complain because new players start the game, i personally think thats needed and good. they complain about NC that doesnt do its job and completely messed up the GoD release.
it could have been so easy...
open 2 or 3 south america servers so the tons of brasilian players who can say nothing but "f*** you" in english can play on their own and every1 else can log in normally.
There are tons of your proud germany compatriots play this game that don't know how to say nothing but "f*** you" in english also. So please quit this dumb commnets. Unless you make a server 100% hosted in Brazil, brazilians will not quit the NA servers to play on a south america server.
Don't mean to jump on you dude -- but you paid for 7 years of enjoyment.
Be content with that, if you can't find that enjoyment anymore -- find it somewhere else. The friends you've met in game will still be friends out of game ya know? Give it time and see how it works out.
But it's not like you put 7 years worth of money into stocks and would have a reasonable assumption to come out with profit. This was a 1:1 exchange; you pay you get to play and if you don't, you don't get to play
You are incredibly selfish. And you probably don't realize it.
Whether or not you paid before, payment is no longer required, but optional. At the moment you pay the same as all the "free players". you ARE a "free player".
Besides, the game went F2P for a reason, it needed more people to turn a profit. if you lock out new people you're back to the old situation where the servers look like they're gonna shut down any second.
so completely wrong. Everyone gets annoyed if they can't log in to a game they want to play.
I don't see any indication that the staff has increased. L2 has run on a skeleton crew for years.
I don't see why they would have to increase staff if they added 2 more servers, it's not like they actually do anything on them. (and if they do, it's the wrong things, petitions don't get answered, and bots don't get removed)
Game has been free for one and a half week, if everyone sticks around till a double exp weekend, that is fantastic for the game. and I bet we will see new servers.
It's unlikely though, a lot will start to quit when they hit the grind at especially 80+ where there are zero dailies, but the time to level still increases exponentially as you go up. so plenty wont make it to S grade.
im still paying btw... im still paying because i would like to see this game do well, i enjoy it.
i dont need to buy the stuff they offer, i dont use them. they sit in thier boxes in my WH along w/ nearly all the vit items we've ever gotten.
my point is ive been supporting this game for years and continue to do so because i enjoy the game. so yeah being treated the same as masses of players who have never paid a dime and most of whom never will makes me feel like NC doesnt value my business, add to that the fact that i cant even log into the game im paying for certain times of the day.
Dude stop thinking your smart by posting definitions of words. You know what my point was so stop playing dumb. Its really not a good look. I really dont care for your game politics, they tend to go a little off topic.
It annoys me when two people have a conversation, and after they've both argued one of them says "you know what, you suck and i don't, bye bye" .
It annoys me when two people have a conversation, and after they've both argued one of them says "you know what, you suck and i don't, bye bye" .
It annoys me when people on this board cant just have a civilized conversation without being difficult and going off in a completely different direction. Its clear they have no socail because no one in the real world would put up with it.
It also annoys me when people put up posts that have no relevance to the original topic. They simply just want to be a kiss ***.
ive had 3 active accounts for 7+ years and ive had up to 6 accounts active and paid at different points during that time. ive bought destiny packs or whatever those worthless things are to continue supporting this game.
ive spent thousands of dollars paid to NCsoft for this game and i cant log in cause 1000s of nubs wanna play now that the game is free...
please limit the number of accounts that can be created on a server to the number of accounts that the server can handle.
i cant play my way... i cant even play. so if i cant play i wont pay.
accounts created before the game was free should always be able to log in to game, if you need to disconnect fee accounts so i can get on you better do it. free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
Well what your not thinking is..Before it became free L2 was a preaty dead game on official servers there were almost no "actual players"(choosing words carefully) now you got alot of people, and you can thank that to the "noobs" your calling.I've played official servers before and payed too, but i dont expect anything out of it now, i payed for a month of service and i got it, not for an eternity of benefits.
Just a thought...
Creating new servers, wont help NAIA or Chronos.... The ones that started there.. started for a reason... A new server will not help login there ...
Magmeld its "recomended" so, Magmeld is not full yet... the rush of newbies was not enough...
Its dificult for new players to login too... i know old players feel like they deserve some privileges... but obviously NCwest dont think alike.
When servers are maxed out port all the players into a huge *** arena and make them purple for 4 minutes who ever does not survive should get disconnected to let the other players log in :D hahahahahahha
There are tons of your proud germany compatriots play this game that don't know how to say nothing but "f*** you" in english also. So please quit this dumb commnets. Unless you make a server 100% hosted in Brazil, brazilians will not quit the NA servers to play on a south america server.
You couldn't have said it better my friend.
Everything else you guys write here, it will fix absolutely nothing.
ive had 3 active accounts for 7+ years and ive had up to 6 accounts active and paid at different points during that time. ive bought destiny packs or whatever those worthless things are to continue supporting this game.
ive spent thousands of dollars paid to NCsoft for this game and i cant log in cause 1000s of nubs wanna play now that the game is free...
please limit the number of accounts that can be created on a server to the number of accounts that the server can handle.
i cant play my way... i cant even play. so if i cant play i wont pay.
accounts created before the game was free should always be able to log in to game, if you need to disconnect fee accounts so i can get on you better do it. free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
I do not think you are qualified to say witch people that joined after it went F2P are nubs,that`s pure hatred maybe they will be 10 times better then you,you have no right to say that ;)
Even you payed all this time i do not think gives you any privileges as it`s all business,it`s like a contract witch now is off,you paid for the time you played in the past,now be happy it`s free :rolleyes:
The money you paid then was for then,now is now and everyone is equal no matter they paid to play here before or not.
There should be a seniority system. Players who paid and played the game for 7 years should have log in rights over the new F2P nubs.These people are total noobs who are just taking up space I take it as a total slap in the face when i cant log in because ncsoft did there typical GENUIS move overbooking servers etc. I am ready to just give up. The GMS have never even been there to fix anything. 7 years of auto responses and this cant log in **** is pretty much ending it for me. Have fun nubbing it up and buying NC coin from a very poorly rated company because u are truly private server nabs and wont beable to make it w/o doing so. Audios Amigos....
This is amazing,i`m sure that many of the new people are maybe just new in-game and never played it before that maybe will be awesome players in the future and some people played on private servers because they did not want to pay to play that does not mean they are nubs ,i can bet with you 100% many of those players can and will be even better then some old players here.
Just because you paid to play till now does not make you superior over the new comers.Just because you paid for the game does not make you be a better player then others. It`s so irrelevant.
Haters gonna hate:o
This is amazing,i`m sure that many of the new people are maybe just new in-game and never played it before that maybe will be awesome players in the future and some people played on private servers because they did not want to pay to play that does not mean they are nubs ,i can bet with you 100% many of those players can and will be even better then some old players here.
Just because you paid to play till now does not make you superior over the new comers.Just because you paid for the game does not make you be a better player then others. It`s so irrelevant.
Haters gonna hate:o
And nubs are going Nub. What I am saying is that people who paid thosands of doallrs to nc soft over the years should have seniority on a player who just started now that its free. It like buying season tickets to yr favorite sports team year after year. Then showing up and someone is in yr seat and didnt pay a dime for there ticket. Respect the elders and put the NABS on the back burner IMO.
And nubs are going Nub. What I am saying is that people who paid thosands of doallrs to nc soft over the years should have seniority on a player who just started now that its free. It like buying season tickets to yr favorite sports team year after year. Then showing up and someone is in yr seat and didnt pay a dime for there ticket. Respect the elders and put the NABS on the back burner IMO.
You do not get the point here. You paid those money for time you played in the past.To say it in your way: You paid the ticket for the seat in the past,now the seat is available for someone else to take,the service you paid for in the past is already consumed.
They needed to revive the game and new players, everyone is treated equally,no matter you personally choose in the past to pay for it.
I understand you are angry a game u paid for now is free and you feel is not fair,but that does not mean new players have to suffer from this.
I guess it doesnt make sense to u. If I invested 7 years and money into a company, ethicly u would think they should put that person ahead of someone who has invested nothing except play on illegal private servers. Private server nabs taking up all the real players air getting put first in-line in the log screen Since Nov 2011.
I wanna see u invest 1k cash in any company on the stock market, then 7 years later have them give the same amount of stock u invested in to anyone off the street at no charge and treat u both the same. I highly doubt u would be singing the same tune.
I wanna see u invest 1k cash in any company on the stock market, then 7 years later have them give the same amount of stock u invested in to anyone off the street at no charge and treat u both the same. I highly doubt u would be singing the same tune.
Yes,it`s business, welcome to the real world :rolleyes: you invested on your own risk:D Company runs the business no matter witch way to keep the business up ;) they will not change it for some few un-pleased clients, you just have to deal with :) new comers do not have any fault they decided to run it like this.
I don't think the real problem here is the influx of new players. The real problem is the mentoring system. Mentors are staying logged in so their mentees get the 200% exp bonus. I have been keeping my account logged in 24/7 to keep my mentees happy and so they can level faster. I am sure their are hundreds maybe even thousands doing this across the servers.
NCSoft needs to fix the mentor/mentee system. If they do this then the servers might not be full all the time.
If you payed for the game in the past, so what... It was a t one point pay to play, meaning you played for the time you payed. They are not charging you for anything at the moment, you didn't invest stock into the company, your subscription one just paying for you to play at that moment. Server fees and what not, over time operating cost go down, and new business models arise. Your entitled attitude, is wrong and tasteless. You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking you are better than someone else because you pay before they did, look what you got out of it a bunch of high level characters with money and item.
Grow up and learn to deal with it, or cry in a corner, and keep being an elitest *****.
Just keep trying to login to the servers you will fail 9/10 times but that 1 you will join and stay in.
I guess it doesnt make sense to u. If I invested 7 years and money into a company, ethicly u would think they should put that person ahead of someone who has invested nothing except play on illegal private servers. Private server nabs taking up all the real players air getting put first in-line in the log screen Since Nov 2011.
I wanna see u invest 1k cash in any company on the stock market, then 7 years later have them give the same amount of stock u invested in to anyone off the street at no charge and treat u both the same. I highly doubt u would be singing the same tune.
You didn't invest anything. All your money did was allow you to access their servers. That's why non of those pretty little pixels your toon is carrying around belong to you. I really think you need to read a EULA. It would answer a lot of your questions and make you realize just how ignorant you sound.
im still paying btw... im still paying because i would like to see this game do well, i enjoy it.
i dont need to buy the stuff they offer, i dont use them. they sit in thier boxes in my WH along w/ nearly all the vit items we've ever gotten.
my point is ive been supporting this game for years and continue to do so because i enjoy the game. so yeah being treated the same as masses of players who have never paid a dime and most of whom never will makes me feel like NC doesnt value my business, add to that the fact that i cant even log into the game im paying for certain times of the day.
Hold on...you're still paying for services you don't even use? I understand wanting to support the company hosting the game you loved to play for many years. That part of your argument I understand and agree with a little. However, you're griping that just because you buy items you don't even use, you should get privileges over other people? The company doesn't care at all whether or not your intentions are for them, they're thinking you're using your product. You're not paying for log in privileges anymore, you're paying for the items in the packs. If you don't use them, you're wasting money in my opinion. If it angers you that much, then stop buying their cash items till they give vets like you what you're wanting. In the company's mind, you got those virtual items you paid for, and therefore their end of the deal is complete. They owe you nothing.
no... im griping that im forced out so a bunch of people that have never and will never pay for the game can be online...
you really think all the players that didnt want to play the game untill it was free are paying for things in game now? i think most of the free to play players are doing axactly that, playing for free.
did NC NA need to do somthing to revitalize this game for thier market ? yes.
does a huge mass of new players mean that game will make money ? no.
just because tons of new players are around doesnt mean they are goin to buy anything at all to help the game survive. most of them jumped over here cause its free so what would they pay now when they didnt want to pay to play before?
my point is basically if the players that are willing to pay cant play cause free players are clogging up the servers where do you expect this game to go ? i want to see lineage2 survive and even thrive, but this doesnt seem to be the right track so far. maybe if they sort out server issues and put better items in the store things will change.
btw how do you figure im wasting my $ buying somthing i dont use? it supports a cause im interested in ie. keeping L2 running.
i pay for a membership to the NRA and i support the ASPCA, i do not use any of the products/gifts that come w/ paying those organizations, but i believe in what they are trying to do.
i also have a right to complain about anything a company does while i have a vested interest in it. it doesnt mean im right or that they will chage it just means im letting people know what i think, like, or dislike.
if you dont agree w/ me, o well its not going to stop me complaining.
Honestly they need to turn off account creation on chronus and naia for the foreseeable future.
Magmeld is also full now.
I could say they could safely open 2 more servers 1 Euro and 1 NA still have them all at max. Also people are flooding NcSoft West with a ton of money as seen by the hiring of more and more staff. I safely say it would be approaching original launch numbers if this keeps up.
Anyone here since Beta should know they locked the original 4 servers to account creation and opened up 3 more before it went live for the same reason. Same needs to be done again.
Honestly they need to turn off account creation on chronus and naia for the foreseeable future.
Magmeld is also full now.
I could say they could safely open 2 more servers 1 Euro and 1 NA still have them all at max. Also people are flooding NcSoft West with a ton of money as seen by the hiring of more and more staff. I safely say it would be approaching original launch numbers if this keeps up.
Anyone here since Beta should know they locked the original 4 servers to account creation and opened up 3 more before it went live for the same reason. Same needs to be done again.
LOL..good one OP, that's like telling your neighbors "Ayo god, I don't mean to hate or nothin but yall can't be usin the elevator cause I moved in first"
Your sense of self entitlement is truly sickening.
I guess it doesnt make sense to u. If I invested 7 years and money into a company, ethicly u would think they should put that person ahead of someone who has invested nothing except play on illegal private servers. Private server nabs taking up all the real players air getting put first in-line in the log screen Since Nov 2011.
I wanna see u invest 1k cash in any company on the stock market, then 7 years later have them give the same amount of stock u invested in to anyone off the street at no charge and treat u both the same. I highly doubt u would be singing the same tune.
You are right and what i have come to realise in the past years is the bigger the company the less they care about there longest serving customers. There goal is to get more customers. Not to spend time looking after the ones they already have/had. They look at it like 1 in 1 out, as one leaves a new one joins. They havnt got time to please people they already have. As far as they look at it your here and thats that, they dont need to try to persuade you to join/stay.
Im not just talking about x company in particular, it runs down the whole line of different companys and corporations, any business with a successful customer base. Simply because they can afford to loose you. Its no sweat to them. Thats the harsh reality of it.
It just makes me laugh that nobody can sympathize with you on this topic. It makes me laugh that the majority of those people all joined the service 'December 2011'. Fresh and straight from the private servers. Of course they would'nt care. They probably never paid for anything in their life. Why would they care?
They dont care that people in the creative industry pay big money to go to College and University. They work for years to get Degrees and Masters. They save up to buy the equipment they need to produce the work they love! The work we love!! As we sit down and play for endless hours on end. While some **** on the other end gets all your hard work for free and brings absolutely nothing to the table! Showing zero respect to the artist/artists that product the work you love so much.
A little notice to anybody that has played private servers or downloaded hundreds of hour of material they should have paid for on the internet. Go and die. You bring no support to the industry and probably nothing to the world. You can only be described as a bunch of low lifes. Sucking on the industry like a virus.....
You have to ask yourself a question: Did you enjoy the game the previous seven years?
If you paid and paid over and over again so after 10 years maybe you can enjoy the game then you have failed.
You pay for a game as long as you enjoy it. You don't pay in order to enjoy it after some years...
Would you pay for a game that it is not rpg if you didn't enjoy it?
Sort of like paying for cable TV, satellite radio, etc.
my point is ive been supporting this game for years and continue to do so because i enjoy the game. so yeah being treated the same as masses of players who have never paid a dime and most of whom never will makes me feel like NC doesnt value my business, add to that the fact that i cant even log into the game im paying for certain times of the day.
I hate to break it to you, but you've been paying for a service. How you use that service is up to you. Now that the services are free to all, you're exclusivity you enjoyed when the game was P2P is now null and void. What you did or did not do for the past 7 years with the company does not warrant any special privileges above any one else.
The same would apply to someone who paid for years to ride a city transit. When the transit then became free to ride and became more crowded, your past tenure with the transit system doesn't give you a golden ticket to get on before anyone else.
Until you write a giant check that puts you as owner of NCWest, or your name starts showing up on employee's paychecks you are just another Joe Schmoe. Like it or leave it, your 7+ years to NCWest are a drop of water in a giant pond.
A distraction from life for 7 years. Thats all games, movies, books, or any entertainment for that matter are. If you were expecting something else you are confused.
I don't think the real problem here is the influx of new players. The real problem is the mentoring system. Mentors are staying logged in so their mentees get the 200% exp bonus. I have been keeping my account logged in 24/7 to keep my mentees happy and so they can level faster. I am sure their are hundreds maybe even thousands doing this across the servers.
NCSoft needs to fix the mentor/mentee system. If they do this then the servers might not be full all the time.
Bolding for truth kids. ALSO for those who do not know, when a mentee leaves a mentor that mentor gets a penalty and cannot invite anyone for 1 week. While the mentee does not. A friend logged off for the night, comes back to find his mentees have abandoned him, and he can't invite anyone till next week.
Mentee coins are super important right now to get ahead in elementing your R grade, so basically after we found that out.... no one in my clan is logging out to keep mentees happy.
ive had 3 active accounts for 7+ years and ive had up to 6 accounts active and paid at different points during that time. ive bought destiny packs or whatever those worthless things are to continue supporting this game.
ive spent thousands of dollars paid to NCsoft for this game and i cant log in cause 1000s of nubs wanna play now that the game is free...
please limit the number of accounts that can be created on a server to the number of accounts that the server can handle.
i cant play my way... i cant even play. so if i cant play i wont pay.
accounts created before the game was free should always be able to log in to game, if you need to disconnect fee accounts so i can get on you better do it. free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
+1
Ncwest should either make the server handle more accounts(like 10k),or disconnect the new made accounts when server is ready to collapse :p
Every evening we wait to see who from our party cant get connected to server but tonight it was really epic! laggy npcs that were acting with seconds of delay,quests that couldnt get delived because npc wouldnt give reward,teleporters that wouldnt teleport you,mobs that wouldnt react to tank's aggro,ect ect.
On weekend we lost our hours cause of server tricks,we also lost our monday partys,Nc has to adjust server to current population or all the efforts for revamp game on our servers are gone.
There is lag and if someone says he doesn't have it that's a lie.
Today at about 10pm (GMT+2) at Naia. Everytime anyone in my party/clan clicked an npc it took 10-15seconds to load the npc dialog. 10-15 seconds...
If someone is defending NCSoft by saying "because there is so many players" then he is an idiot. Hell I played at private server launch that had over 13,000 players online at the first day. It did not crush, it did not lag.
WOAH they did not even have in game cash shop that offers double exp to pay for the server. All they had was cosmetic things.
So how come a private server is working better than the retail is beyond me. But! on topic :D I haven't had any issues logging in at any given time to Naia. Kinda odd I'd say
ive had 3 active accounts for 7+ years and ive had up to 6 accounts active and paid at different points during that time. ive bought destiny packs or whatever those worthless things are to continue supporting this game.
ive spent thousands of dollars paid to NCsoft for this game and i cant log in cause 1000s of nubs wanna play now that the game is free...
please limit the number of accounts that can be created on a server to the number of accounts that the server can handle.
i cant play my way... i cant even play. so if i cant play i wont pay.
accounts created before the game was free should always be able to log in to game, if you need to disconnect fee accounts so i can get on you better do it. free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
+100!!!! free to play is screwing over the people that played because they felt the game was worth paying for. i think that they want people to have the mindset, "its free, so i can't really complain about anything anymore"
The reason the server is always full now is not because peeps are playing, its because of the mentor/mentee system. I have 3 mentess and i havent logged out since last wed., so they get buffs and i get the benifits. That system has caused all the server issues you see without that these servers would not be full all the time.
no... im griping that im forced out so a bunch of people that have never and will never pay for the game can be online...
you really think all the players that didnt want to play the game untill it was free are paying for things in game now? i think most of the free to play players are doing axactly that, playing for free.
did NC NA need to do somthing to revitalize this game for thier market ? yes.
does a huge mass of new players mean that game will make money ? no.
just because tons of new players are around doesnt mean they are goin to buy anything at all to help the game survive. most of them jumped over here cause its free so what would they pay now when they didnt want to pay to play before?
my point is basically if the players that are willing to pay cant play cause free players are clogging up the servers where do you expect this game to go ? i want to see lineage2 survive and even thrive, but this doesnt seem to be the right track so far. maybe if they sort out server issues and put better items in the store things will change.
btw how do you figure im wasting my $ buying somthing i dont use? it supports a cause im interested in ie. keeping L2 running.
i pay for a membership to the NRA and i support the ASPCA, i do not use any of the products/gifts that come w/ paying those organizations, but i believe in what they are trying to do.
i also have a right to complain about anything a company does while i have a vested interest in it. it doesnt mean im right or that they will chage it just means im letting people know what i think, like, or dislike.
if you dont agree w/ me, o well its not going to stop me complaining.
And you do have a very legitimate point: no, not all of the people who play f2p will buy the cash shop items. Especially at this point in time due to the limited amount of items offered and the influx of people who are trying the game out to see if it's worth sticking around.
However, what many fail to notice is that a ton of f2p games make a lot of profit. Why? Because once the cash shop items do start becoming very good and exclusive, many people, both vets who want to support the game and newer players wanting to improve themselves, WILL buy. That's one of the main reasons many p2p are changing to f2p, it actually opens up more costumer slots. People hate the idea of contracts (a good portion anyway) and won't pay a monthly fee. However, I've known several players in f2p games with cash shop items who spend over $120 a month just on said items for one mmo. And not just ten or so, try hundreds of players that actually do this. That is a lot more profit then that same number of people paying a flat rate. At least to me.
I do agree that character creation should be limited to help fix the trafficking problem on the servers. However, by the end of the first or second month easily a third of the people who entered this game as a trial run will leave. And more people will start buying from the shop if NC continues to add products that are worth buying.
So yes, I certainly see where you're coming from and to an extent I agree. However, I also feel that many people aren't even bothering to try looking on the other side of the issue (and that goes for both sides, not just vets who are steamed about losing privilege. Us f2p people need to be able to see your guys' side as well).
As far as the wasting money argument goes, it looks like that's just a difference of opinion :) If that's what you wanna spend your money on, then it's not a waste for you. I apologize for automatically forcing my views to call your actions a waste.
You are right and what i have come to realise in the past years is the bigger the company the less they care about there longest serving customers. There goal is to get more customers. Not to spend time looking after the ones they already have/had. They look at it like 1 in 1 out, as one leaves a new one joins. They havnt got time to please people they already have. As far as they look at it your here and thats that, they dont need to try to persuade you to join/stay.
Im not just talking about x company in particular, it runs down the whole line of different companys and corporations, any business with a successful customer base. Simply because they can afford to loose you. Its no sweat to them. Thats the harsh reality of it.
It just makes me laugh that nobody can sympathize with you on this topic. It makes me laugh that the majority of those people all joined the service 'December 2011'. Fresh and straight from the private servers. Of course they would'nt care. They probably never paid for anything in their life. Why would they care?
They dont care that people in the creative industry pay big money to go to College and University. They work for years to get Degrees and Masters. They save up to buy the equipment they need to produce the work they love! The work we love!! As we sit down and play for endless hours on end. While some **** on the other end gets all your hard work for free and brings absolutely nothing to the table! Showing zero respect to the artist/artists that product the work you love so much.
A little notice to anybody that has played private servers or downloaded hundreds of hour of material they should have paid for on the internet. Go and die. You bring no support to the industry and probably nothing to the world. You can only be described as a bunch of low lifes. Sucking on the industry like a virus.....
I think you do not get the idea here, no one said they do not have right to be mad about it,as is normal from your point of view because you paid so much ,but that does not mean they new players have a personal fault because they decide to run it like this. Is not rocket science to understand that.
+ you think you know too much about the people, yes i stand for my right as new player and yes i did not want to pay to play till now , BUT that does not mean i do not care about these people work, i myself gonna graduate arts university and master in graphic design and i`m gonna work in this field. You do not need to spit words and generalize all people in same way. The thing that i did not want to pay to play it`s a different story.
If you think you are so right about all you say maybe you should think if you have the right mark people without thinking.
And one more thing, the fact that you accuse new players for change NCSoft made shows how much immaturity and lack of common sense you have.
The only one who does not sympathize here it`s you, me for example even i protect my right as new player i understand the old players who paid, are cons and pros on both sides here,you are the one full of hate and lack of sympathize.
A little notice to anybody that has played private servers or downloaded hundreds of hour of material they should have paid for on the internet. Go and die. You bring no support to the industry and probably nothing to the world. You can only be described as a bunch of low lifes. Sucking on the industry like a virus.....
Same industries that will care less if they need to take your house in order to get "their" money.
Dooder, you need to get some common sense and practice rational thinking.
If only industry was concerned with supporting the world we would be living in heaven.
There's no contradiction, when there were few players, your PC could simply have better FPS, with the new influx of players, you have mass amounts of lags (as you claimed to have) while me nor anyone i know has, so i have to take from the obvious it's your pc fault, unless you mean delays due to net conection which i don't have either.
Gamebooster is cool, but i didn't use it yet, you should try.
No, it certainly is lag. My computer for example (I don't know about the OP's) has dual Vapor's 6870 with 4gb ram (1200hz with 4-4-4-4-8 timings!!) phenom X3 OC'ed to 4ghz and an SSD. Its really, really , really fast. I mean really fast. Probably it can play L2 at 100+ frames in a crowded area (like giran) at maximum settings. So, NO
Everyone has a right to be annoyed, being annoyed is a completely passive activity.
They don't have a right to demand changes. And neither does the people who paid for 20 accounts for 20 years. (exaggerated for emphasis)
You don't pay for the game anymore, you are at the same level as everyone else. What you did in the past changes nothing in the present other than the level you got and the items you accumulated.
Everyone's playing on a level field now.
The only right you have left as a player is to expect other users to follow the EULA and ToS because that is the only thing left that we have to accept when playing. If someone breaks that you're free to report it via a petition.
I say again, old and new players are no different under the new system, and shouldn't be treated as such.
As a general opinion, you may be right. But come on, its not the same playing the game PRE f2p and playing it after. I ain't saying you SHOULD have more right, cause then you kill the players that just came in, but his point still has some merit. NCsoft should be thinking ahead, and when they planned on making the game F2P they should check their servers first...
What i was getting at is they have not right to be annoyed. They did not spend a penny on the support of the game over the years. The people that have the right to be annoyed are the ones that have spent hundreds over the years while the rest of you were playing on private servers.
it's funny how u think the whole system works...get out ur I bc it's a company and they check the numbers
and just bc u said it like it's standar..supporters like u fail to keep the game alive so they have to check on the players that was trolling on private servers..and for ur info there was many private server with **** platforms that wen't alive for 1 year with more than 300k
so while system change we are all same..free to choose to pay or not..by coming and said i pay in past so i need more doesn't make sense..u pay for a time card (15-30-60days) and that time have been expired
black, the game is free to play i do welcome all the new players as it actually brings life back to l2, it has been a long time since you have seen a bustling talking island or a busy gludin. Too long has this game been barren of live players.
what i am dissapointed at is ncsofts lack of preparedness for this free to play launch and that the servers which used to hold up to 15000 players , now barely handle 5000. what you do sell off the new servers? and go back to the old pre c3 servers? maybe its time for another upgrade l2 its been i dunno about 6 updates since the last?
i have played this game since beta and will continue to play more now that it is free to play, sure the game needs some fine tweeking for the US player base and i am not quiet as excited as others about some in game changes . but this is pretty much a new l2, alot of things changed and change can be difficult form what your used too... yes it is a shame we are getting alot of private server trash players, but there are also alot of good players on their servers as well.
not to mention what if we get an influx of WoW players.... gonna be bad ...
ncsoft one would think its time to improve upgrade your server capacity.
Limiting the number of account's any one person can have is actually a good idea, most FTP games only allow 2, and even just one, the people that have always paid for several acct's over the year's should be allowed to either merge acct's or given grandfather right's, and people should be limited to two acct's, my opinion~~~
This is a completely idiotic thread I am surprised it has actually gone this far.
So you pay for a movie ticket you sit on the seat you like, watch the movie, the next day they announce all movie sessions will now be free, what makes you think your entitled to that seat you are in the same boat as everyone else, you paid for 7 years, to enjoy it for that time, your privilege has already expired the moment you didnt have to pay for it anymore.
What are you some sort of entitled saudi arabian sheikh, welcome to the world of other ppl.
The reason you are now not paying for Lineage 2 after the previous 7 years is that Lineage 2 is reaching the decline stage of its product lifecycle and so their marketing team has decided to make the game free to play in the Western Markets. You must remember that this game is run by a profit driven company and they will do what they must to keep profits coming in.
Make the game free to play à Increase consumers à Add items to be purchased with real currency à Hope that there will be enough people purchasing the items to keep P > C.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if there is going to be one or more updates in the next 6-12 months to ‘revamp’ and reposition the product. I would also not be surprised if servers go down in the next year or two if profits do not reach any company set desired levels that sadly I don’t have any access to.
I would provide references for where you can find information relating to the above but I’m sure you can find simple info in Wikipedia, which is easier than finding a Uni library that will let you borrow the texts I have.
No, it certainly is lag. My computer for example (I don't know about the OP's) has dual Vapor's 6870 with 4gb ram (1200hz with 4-4-4-4-8 timings!!) phenom X3 OC'ed to 4ghz and an SSD. Its really, really , really fast. I mean really fast. Probably it can play L2 at 100+ frames in a crowded area (like giran) at maximum settings. So, NO
I have lag also..but i find it quite normal for my PC, and it's few(and my pc ain't nothing big) and just on VERY crowded areas.
One point of advice, L2 will never have better framerate. And i know this all too well when i have more FPS on more recent games but you can't go complain about it to ncwest, this is not under their control. Until this game is optimized for multi-cores, nothing they can do. And i don't see that happening ever, i guess the game would need a total "reboot" for textures/animations for l2 to run smooth.
ftp = ftp period.
Regardless you have paid 90 months subscription or none. All are entitled to play the game.
You can not tell new people to stop log in b/c you feel you have "more rights" for the subscription you have paid.
All I can say: NC upgrade your hardware so you can actualy handle the demand you have called upon you.
It sucks when I see full servers and I want to play.
It sucks my client crashes all the time b/c the servers are none stop at there limits.
It sucks to be addicted to a video game
Ooh wait was not suppose to say that one in public :)
When Lord of the Rings online gone free, they rewarded the old players, giving them priority when logging (like not waiting in queue line) and you had the option to become a VIP player, getting cash shop pts for free every month, access to full game, etc. That's called respect. It's a way to show to the paying players that the company value them and their credit cards. The smart way.
Now, all those "dec 2011" players making a mockery out of the "used to pay" ones, you need to understand that you only had that nice and free expansion on your private server, because the "dumbs' were paying for the official stuffs, thus giving the support and incentive to the company to continue updating the game. So, what if they "dumbs" were paying 7 accounts? Even better for everybody. It's their money supporting the game we all like.
I myself don't have any trouble with connecting on my accountS and all thsoe newbies only make me have some nice time, like the orc last night who begged me to dance for him so he could go grind (think he doesn't know that the 1h long dances were an edit from him server). All of his lot will be only meat for the good players. So, let them come, for i never made so much adena out of overpriced shots like now.
Hi all!
I am new to official server. I joined because I wanted to see how cooperation works here between chars.
But now I can see some people running with 1 main char and 4 buffers after them.
How can you filter out multi chars or it is allowed to have 4-5 clients running from same IP? Well if you can't then it is not much difference from pirate servers imo.
How can you filter out multi chars or it is allowed to have 4-5 clients running from same IP? Well if you can't then it is not much difference from pirate servers imo.
Riiight..As if this was the most crucial factor separating privs and official.
This is a completely idiotic thread I am surprised it has actually gone this far.
So you pay for a movie ticket you sit on the seat you like, watch the movie, the next day they announce all movie sessions will now be free, what makes you think your entitled to that seat you are in the same boat as everyone else, you paid for 7 years, to enjoy it for that time, your privilege has already expired the moment you didnt have to pay for it anymore.
What are you some sort of entitled saudi arabian sheikh, welcome to the world of other ppl.
its called good business. if the same guy does business w/ your company for 7 years then you call him a loyal customer. you shake his hand when you see him, you tell him about new deals you have, you do whatever you can to keep him happy etc. because he has been paying your bills for 7 years.
now if your company falls on hard times and you need to outsource some of your work to a euro company and lower your prices. first you want to ensure your loyal customers are happy and dont take up business w/ the euro company and cut you out. 2nd once you see that guy that has been coming back for 7 years is still doing business w/ you you go out of your way to make sure he is handling the change, you shake his hand, you show him how your new business model works, you show him the new deals etc. and on top of that you make sure you can still provide him w/ the service he has been nice enough to pay your struggling company for for the past 7 years.
when scores of new customers are lined up outside your building since they heard about your price slashes you make sure that guy that was always willing to pay you for your service gets to come in through the back.
when all these people that would never pay for anything and support your business when you needed them are gobbling up any free promotional deals you have around you make sure you set some aside in the back for that guy that has been there paying you for 7 years.
most of all when all the kids that have been stealing from your company taking $ out of your pockets for the last 7 years come to your place now that thier broke butts can afford it (this is private server scum) you call the guy who has been supporting you for 7 years and apologize for having to have him pay to keep your business alive so this scum could come and reap the rewards 7 years later.
good business is about good service. you do business w/ me i make sure i take care of you.
if you never played the game before it was free please dont compare yourself to me, we are not the same.
im the guy that shops at the local market to make sure small business can survive even if i have to pay a little more, your the dirtbags that go to the giant superstore to eat free samples cause you cant afoord to buy lunch.
I played since beta, and I was getting more than $15 worth of quality entertainment each month.
I dont feel like NCsoft owes me anything though I was paying up to 5 accounts at certain point.
You are just being a wingy customer. The one company wishes they never had after you leave their shop.
How come all those "Dec 2011" folks come and say they've played since beta!?
Do you know why hotels and flight companies have their fidelity programs? To reward those are support them. They could claim that the fact they're giving us a warm bed and a seat in their planes are reward enough for the service we've paid for, but they know that there is a lot of other hotels and flight companies around, so they think of way to reward loyal client in order to keep them. What NCsoft don't consider is that those who didn't pay before, thus went for private servers, aren't likely to pay for anything now and displeasing the ones who paid their bill before won't actually save the game. Full servers doesn't mean higher incoming. Say that NOW we're all in the same boat is ridiculous.
NCsoft makes it all feel like the old subscribers were scammed, somehow. Or at least make many of them feel that way. It's kinda of useless to QQ on forums, they will just do what they do best: ignore us. At least, from me, L2 won't hear the cling of a single penny ever again -- that at least are for granted, since it's "truly-free" now.
How come all those "Dec 2011" folks come and say they've played since beta!?
Do you know why hotels and flight companies have their fidelity programs? To reward those are support them. They could claim that the fact they're giving us a warm bed and a seat in their planes are reward enough for the service we've paid for, but they know that there is a lot of other hotels and flight companies around, so they think of way to reward loyal client in order to keep them. What NCsoft don't consider is that those who didn't pay before, thus went for private servers, aren't likely to pay for anything now and displeasing the ones who paid their bill before won't actually save the game. Full servers doesn't mean higher incoming. Say that NOW we're all in the same boat is ridiculous.
NCsoft makes it all feel like the old subscribers were scammed, somehow. Or at least make many of them feel that way. It's kinda of useless to QQ on forums, they will just do what they do best: ignore us. At least, from me, L2 won't hear the cling of a single penny ever again -- that at least are for granted, since it's "truly-free" now.
Because you QQ too much, and because some people have common sense. It saddens me that you are able to register on this forum but fail to comprehend NCsoft actions.
You remind me of those college kids that have great success in college sports and that becomes their reference point for the rest of their life.
Get over it, life goes on and there actually people around you, same people that owe you nothing even if you paid for a game for the last 7+ years.
I think you do not get the idea here, no one said they do not have right to be mad about it,as is normal from your point of view because you paid so much ,but that does not mean they new players have a personal fault because they decide to run it like this. Is not rocket science to understand that.
+ you think you know too much about the people, yes i stand for my right as new player and yes i did not want to pay to play till now , BUT that does not mean i do not care about these people work, i myself gonna graduate arts university and master in graphic design and i`m gonna work in this field. You do not need to spit words and generalize all people in same way. The thing that i did not want to pay to play it`s a different story.
If you think you are so right about all you say maybe you should think if you have the right mark people without thinking.
And one more thing, the fact that you accuse new players for change NCSoft made shows how much immaturity and lack of common sense you have.
The only one who does not sympathize here it`s you, me for example even i protect my right as new player i understand the old players who paid, are cons and pros on both sides here,you are the one full of hate and lack of sympathize.
It deeply saddens me that you can admit to playing private servers but you cannot recognize your disrespect to the company and the people that have brought you the opportunity to play such a great game. Its completely wreaks my head that you of all people dont understand the importance of supporting these artist so they can provide you with the best standard of work.
Maybe you would feel differently if it was your art i was defending? Or you had to completely change the essence of what you crafted over the years just to make sure you could keep your company alive? Just because people like you wouldnt pay for your hard work! I cant beleave you dont see the shame in it. There is no excuse!
You acuse me of not seeing the bigger picture but the bigger picture is right here! Its just happend! A masterpiece of a game that has had to change its original concept to something that is far worse! I dont care if its free. I wish it wasnt!! I wish people would have supported the game and paid their way so it could have carried on the way it was first intended to be and should have always been!
Im sorry that i offend you! I cant help that i am passionate about respecting artists and there art form or the fact that i beleave they should be paid for giving me the privilege of experiencing their work in its best possible way
Lmfao, the people QQing about the F2P and servers... Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. If you want to play on a dead server with no human interaction I suggest you play on your own private server, because thats how the game felt before F2P came in the corner. And don't tell me I don't know what I am saying, because I came back to play BEFORE the game went F2P for about 3 months.
You just mad you spend monies on a game which you hopefully enjoyed and now people get to play for free.
I bought this game twice back in the day and you don't see me crying now do you?
Lmfao, the people QQing about the F2P and servers... Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. If you want to play on a dead server with no human interaction I suggest you play on your own private server, because thats how the game felt before F2P came in the corner. And don't tell me I don't know what I am saying, because I came back to play BEFORE the game went F2P for about 3 months.
You just mad you spend monies on a game which you hopefully enjoyed and now people get to play for free.
I bought this game twice back in the day and you don't see me crying now do you?
Dude, you know nothing. This goes way back further than 3 months before the game went F2P
Everyone has a right to be annoyed, being annoyed is a completely passive activity.
They don't have a right to demand changes. And neither does the people who paid for 20 accounts for 20 years. (exaggerated for emphasis)
You don't pay for the game anymore, you are at the same level as everyone else. What you did in the past changes nothing in the present other than the level you got and the items you accumulated.
Everyone's playing on a level field now.
The only right you have left as a player is to expect other users to follow the EULA and ToS because that is the only thing left that we have to accept when playing. If someone breaks that you're free to report it via a petition.
I say again, old and new players are no different under the new system, and shouldn't be treated as such.
Your reasoning is exactly why some companies' customer service is poor and customer loyalty means nothing to them. I'm sure you've complained about these issues before in your lifetime. Your post sounds competely hypocritical.
Lmfao, the people QQing about the F2P and servers... Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. If you want to play on a dead server with no human interaction I suggest you play on your own private server, because thats how the game felt before F2P came in the corner. And don't tell me I don't know what I am saying, because I came back to play BEFORE the game went F2P for about 3 months.
You just mad you spend monies on a game which you hopefully enjoyed and now people get to play for free.
I bought this game twice back in the day and you don't see me crying now do you?
Are you 12? Nothing you've just written is remotely relative to what the original post was explaining.
I hate to break it to you, but you've been paying for a service. How you use that service is up to you. Now that the services are free to all, you're exclusivity you enjoyed when the game was P2P is now null and void. What you did or did not do for the past 7 years with the company does not warrant any special privileges above any one else.
The same would apply to someone who paid for years to ride a city transit. When the transit then became free to ride and became more crowded, your past tenure with the transit system doesn't give you a golden ticket to get on before anyone else.
Until you write a giant check that puts you as owner of NCWest, or your name starts showing up on employee's paychecks you are just another Joe Schmoe. Like it or leave it, your 7+ years to NCWest are a drop of water in a giant pond.
There's just one problem with your logic: People communicate. If you're not being treated fairly and irritated enough to do something about it, you'll convey your feelings via emails, boards, letters, petitions, business bureau reports, and etc. With enough people reporting the same issues, in result, your company will receive a bad image, poor rating, lose credibility and eventually lose customers without being able to regain more. Which will all equate to your company going down in a regressive spiral because it's not making sufficient profits to stay afloat. If you're not making profits, the company will go out of business.
So if a store you had been shopping at for the last 10 years does a massive remodeling and then holds a Grand Reopening; drawing in a bunch of new customers, you feel that you should be allowed to jump to the front of the line every time you shop there; just because you used to shop there prior to the remodeling?
You do realize that if the store was to allow that; then in the long run, it would hurt their business, because all of those new customers would end up leaving due to the preferential treatment towards the old customers. And if the whole Remodeling was done as a last ditch effort to keep the store afloat; since the old customers just wasn't enough to keep the company profitable, irritating some of the old customers (those that seem to think they are special) is a much better proposition than driving away the new customers Especially if the new customers help bring in enough money to not only keep the business going, but to open up even more lines to cut down; or eliminate altogether, the wait time.
So if a store you had been shopping at for the last 10 years does a massive remodeling and then holds a Grand Reopening; drawing in a bunch of new customers, you feel that you should be allowed to jump to the front of the line every time you shop there; just because you used to shop there prior to the remodeling?
This thread is about customer service not jumping in line.
free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
You do realise that before the f2p mode, lineage was dead with 2 almost empty servers right??? And now l2 has 5 full heavy servers.... hope my post helps you with your questions... BB :)
This thread is about customer service not jumping in line.
accounts created before the game was free should always be able to log in to game, if you need to disconnect fee accounts so i can get on you better do it. free nubs will come and go, real L2 players are your bread and butter.
No. He's upset because he's been a loyal paying customer for 7 years and now he's unable to play. He's talking about being disserviced. Not jumping in line....
No. He's upset because he's been a loyal paying customer for 7 years and now he's unable to play. He's talking about being disserviced. Not jumping in line....
Did you read the line I quoted...he is specifically asking to be able to log into the game anytime he wants; even if it means disconnecting the new players. That is the very definition of jumping in line.
You've paid for your play time and the advantage you have now is that you have much more powerful characters and more money than new players starting now. (for the most part)
Also, old players are better to get rid of than new players for the most part if you want to get practical about it.
Did you read the line I quoted...he is specifically asking to be able to log into the game anytime he wants; even if it means disconnecting the new players. That is the very definition of jumping in line.
He's asking for service because he's a loyal customer. He's upset about not being able to play. How many times do I need to type this in order for you to comprehend? (rhetorical)
His argument is that he will continue to play even with the new changes. The newcomers will come and go. There's no loyalty there with the newcomers. Why screw over a sure thing for uncertainty? (rhetorical)
These days you even have to paraphrase the implication. It's sad.
He's asking for service because he's a loyal customer. He's upset about not being able to play. How many times do I need to type this in order for you to comprehend? (rhetorical)
His argument is that he will continue to play even with the new changes. The newcomers will come and go. There's no loyalty there with the newcomers. Why screw over a sure thing for uncertainty? (rhetorical)
These days you even have to paraphrase the implication. It's sad.
The service he is asking for is to be able to cut to the front of the line. That is the specific service he asked for. His whole post is his complaining about not being able to log in, and that he feels he should be allowed to cut to the front of the line and log in immediately ; even if it has to kick new players out. No where else in his post does he makes reference to any other aspect of customer service.
He wants to jump to the front of the line
He wants to jump to the front of the line <---- repeated for emphasis
If this was just a complaint about customer service then he would have hit on more topics; ie. bots, broken quests not being fixed, petitions just getting cut and paste answers or even answers that have no bearing on the question. But that isn't what he is complaining about; He wants to jump to the front of the line.
Also he has no clue if the new players will come and go, so that really shouldn't be construed as a valid point for his complaint. Will the majority of the new players come and go; statistically that is probably true, but so will the old school players; that is just the natural life cycle of a MMO. Also it could turn out that there will be a much larger population; as compared to the old players, of New Players that end up staying, but you could end up driving away that potentially larger customer base if you end up catering to the old school players. That would not be a good thing since if the old player base was profitable enough the remodeling wouldn't have taken place.
Again the company has to bank on the fact that by treating everyone the same; that while irritating a few of the old player base, they will be able to draw in a much larger customer base so as to keep the doors open awhile longer.
So even if this thread is about customer service (and not just about jumping in line) my point still stands. If you give preferential treatment to the old player base you risk alienating the newer player base, thus driving them away, and having to shut down the store. I guarantee you the customer service will really go down hill; and logging into the game will be a lot more difficult, once they close those doors.
Now he may of had a point if the game was still going great and they were quite profitable, and just out of the blue decided to switch to F2P. I might even be on his side then.
What NCSoft really needs to do though is open up a couple of servers; disabling new character creation on them for about 1-2 weeks, and allow a 1 time free transfer from Chronos and Naia to them only. The main reason for that is because they have all of the old accounts from the past servers piled into those 2; so they need to do something to help clear up that congestion. After 1-2 weeks open up new character creation, and after 1 month turn off free transfer, but reopen the account services so people can buy a transfer.
Well nobody here is worth more then the other, I do understand how the old players must feel.
But when you guys decided to pay this company im sure you knew you payed so they could make a profit out of it. I mean im sure NCsoft doesnt work for free.
Also through time there has been people paying private server trough donations instead of paying to play on retail. I bet with this fact that NCsoft actually will go + with all the new players. I also guess thats the point for NCsoft. They will need the money to make the servers better.
Im a new player here! But that doesnt make me stupid, poor or bad at l2.
Just get over it for now , give it some time. NCsoft will prob not read this thread and change it all back again anyway!
Hmmm.......they could heave easily made some veteran bonuses.
But its Koreans. Imho from beta on everybody was easily able to realize they dont care much for their customers opinions.
Didnt play for the last 2 years but nonetheless i can understand how frustrated you gotta be.
An the argument from some "so what...play it free now" ....cmon...you gotta be kidding ^^. None of these games is ever free to play, companies want to earn money with them. An educated guess: If you want to compete in high Lvls, you gotta buy these shop pets which give an enormous dmg boost etc etc. In EVERY free to play game up to now i paid much more money than in games with a monthly fee.
you guys have to understand, some people will never see things your way because they are very hard headed. Not to mention, they will be fine with everything and laugh at you and insult you for the things you suggest, all until they have the same problem you are having.
Ive also noticed its pointless to have an actual discussion on here because if u notice, most people on forums have been created nov 2011, or dec 2011. You're going to have arguments from the new players since it seems to be them flooding the forums and u say its them thats the problem.
I understand you are upset, tbh so am i. ive only been paying for 3 years, most of the time it doesnt bother me.. some days i feel like " why cant i play? i wasnt too cheap to pay" but then i think how ncsoft wasnt ready with this update even though im sure they knew they were going to have so many people, and didnt do anything about the servers. when it became f2p, they only added 1 server, that was it.. they thught it would be enough..since then, they opened 2 more servers
ps. LOL at you people talking about cutting down accounts people can u at a time. Most people who say that are either:
1. cant get parties
2. think its the real problem with lag and log in, when in reality, its the mentee/mentor system.
you guys have to understand, some people will never see things your way because they are very hard headed. Not to mention, they will be fine with everything and laugh at you and insult you for the things you suggest, all until they have the same problem you are having.
Ive also noticed its pointless to have an actual discussion on here because if u notice, most people on forums have been created nov 2011, or dec 2011. You're going to have arguments from the new players since it seems to be them flooding the forums and u say its them thats the problem.
I understand you are upset, tbh so am i. ive only been paying for 3 years, most of the time it doesnt bother me.. some days i feel like " why cant i play? i wasnt too cheap to pay" but then i think how ncsoft wasnt ready with this update even though im sure they knew they were going to have so many people, and didnt do anything about the servers. when it became f2p, they only added 1 server, that was it.. they thught it would be enough..since then, they opened 2 more servers
ps. LOL at you people talking about cutting down accounts people can u at a time. Most people who say that are either:
1. cant get parties
2. think its the real problem with lag and log in, when in reality, its the mentee/mentor system.
Or maybe people don't see it their way because we can see how doing so could end up being extremely bad for business, and could lead to the game shutting down. In case you hadn't noticed my join date is Oct 2006, so guess which server my characters are on (I'm a US player so that should help narrow it down). I've had plenty of times where I wasn't able to log in, and yes it is irritating. But I also realize that giving preferential treatment to old players could end up hurting the game a lot more than helping it.
Again I personally think a better way to alleviate the issue would be to open a new server or two, and allow free transfers from Chronos and Naia for the first couple of weeks only. That will help spread the population out a little bit, and cut down on the over crowding of those 2 servers.
Or maybe people don't see it their way because we can see how doing so could end up being extremely bad for business, and could lead to the game shutting down. In case you hadn't noticed my join date is Oct 2006, so guess which server my characters are on (I'm a US player so that should help narrow it down).
sorry i didnt realize i said all posts are from people who joined nov2011 and dec 2011, i could have sworn i said MOST. oh wait, nvm, i did say most. Nor did i mention anything else about giving old players special treatment. Just said i understand why hes mad, but mad at the wrong people. Its not the new people he should be mad at but the company itself.
look at it this way. You have a favorite restaurant, but their business is doing badly, but u keep going there for lunch/supper whatever to give them some money. not only that, u bring people with u, tell them about it and get them to come with more people to try and keep the business running. One day they decide to hmm lets say, free buffet lunches monday through friday from 1pm-3pm. you try and go some days but you cant get in. You would think the owners would try and let u in for helping them keep the business open, but no, and then you think to yourself " if it wasnt for me being so loyal and coming here all the time, they wouldnt even be open". you cant get mad at the new people going there now, but be a lil upset with the owners for maybe not even a thank you for being so loyal? the situation is like that for him. i never said his post was right nor wrong.
L2 was dying, the solution: make it free and bring former private players, they have the habit of making donation, so it means + money from NCCoins.
Guys, who do you think would come here after F2P? WoW players? They even know that L2 exists, and the few ones who know, hate it. Former private players are the main source to keep l2 alive, if L2 was P2P here yet, probably it would be closed soon.
Im in exactly the same boat. Since its been free i have hardly had the opportunity to log into Naia. Then when you do get in there is masses amount of lag. I think NC has bitten off more than they can chew and the only ones that are going to get annoyed by it are the dedicated players that actually didnt mind paying for the game. I miss lag free hunting zones and being able to log in when i want to play!
I just dont know how they are going to fix it as NC dont own the rights to EU servers anymore so i doubt they can expand the server. Plus the recently influx of players must cost the company more as they will need more members of staff and i doubt they have made much money from the new system as there is not much worth purchasing from the shop. Hopefully things will come together in the end but i cant see how it is going to work.
Maybe its time to move on from Lineage. I had fun time playing but i miss the relaxed element of the game. Like being able to play all night and not having to worry that i might not be able to log in and not having to worry that if you DC you might never be able to log back in. Can you imagine how bad it is going to be on big Events or double XP weekends ect. I dont even want to think about it haha. This isnt a QQ by any means. Just a realization
You paid for 7 years of enjoyment. If you did not enjoy those years you smash your pc so you dont waste 7 more on the next mmo. The population was dying and they had two choices. 1. close the game down and lay off all support for L2 in NA or 2. Go F2P and try to resurect the user base and bring in new revenue.
I have been uber frustrated with many aspects of God and F2P. If I quit tommorrow I wont begrudge one penny I have paid NCwest for all the fun years I had on thier servers......
Not to mention I will reiterate...if you played 7 years, then you have a massive advantage in money, levels, gear and likely being part of an existing powerbase (clan), putting you well ahead of the new players coming with GoD.
I really dont get why "official" players call the "prive server" player nubs...
You know that private servers isnt only LOL x5000 rates.
And yeah ppl from private servers CHOOSE not to pay on official for many reasons!
Fact is that all private players have start OVER and OVER again on x4 x5 servers because this servers will allways close after some months/years! I dont have to whine about it you know! And if you believe that you are better because YOU PAID all this years then all i have to say is DREAM ON!
Anyway i am around this forum from the start of shilen server that i play right now and i dont like to see post like "private server nubs bla bla bla"
You payed for 7 years you played for 7 years its not investment!
Now you have to stop being a shellfish NUB and choke on it!
I have to say is that MAYBE private server nubs will pay even MORE that you have payed over this years in just some months just because they are donators on the prive servers around the globe. So with your logic you MUST respect them!
Finally i dont believe that any new player that came after F2P want to join the old servers and start from 0 when others are already heroes/noble/85lvl/full geared etc. I believe that most of new players went on the new servers so that have nothing to do with you and your gameplay!
In the other hand if you started a new char on the new servers then you have paid nothing and you are equal with the nubs!
Thats all i have to say to you and all the haters around here.