The Save the Holiday Trees (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/save-the-holiday-trees.php) event continues.
Due to increased RMT (Real Money Trading) activity, preventive steps were taken with the following L2 Galleria and L2 Store items. Please take this as a reminder that the buying and selling of Adena is not only an offense that will result in the ban of the buyer and seller's accounts, but also negatively affects the game for every player on the server. Help keep the game fun for everyone by playing the game as it was designed; play legit.
Top-Grade Life Stone (R-Grade) and Scroll: Enchant Weapon (R-Grade), two of the popular items in Exploration Packs, are now no longer tradable or sellable.
Due to technical issues in making the above change, the Exploration Packs are temporarily unavailable for purchase from the L2 Galleria, but are still available from the L2 Store. They will soon return to the L2 Galleria.
The 1-hour 50% XP Rune is now temporarily unavailable for purchase.
The Save the Holiday Trees (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/save-the-holiday-trees.php) event continues.
Due to increased RMT (Real Money Trading) activity, preventive steps were taken with the following L2 Galleria and L2 Store items. Please take this as a reminder that the buying and selling of Adena is not only an offense that will result in the ban of the buyer and seller's accounts, but also negatively affects the game for every player on the server. Help keep the game fun for everyone by playing the game as it was designed; play legit.
Top-Grade Life Stone (R-Grade) and Scroll: Enchant Weapon (R-Grade), two of the popular items in Exploration Packs, are now no longer tradable or sellable.
Due to technical issues in making the above change, the Exploration Packs are temporarily unavailable for purchase from the L2 Galleria, but are still available from the L2 Store. They will soon return to the L2 Galleria.
The 1-hour 50% XP Rune is now temporarily unavailable for purchase.
uh When did Ncwest staff realized about the increased on adena sellers ? and that means Ncwest gonna ban these people sellers and buyers someday ?
Once again Gallery items :o
What about Bots/pvp-Cheater ( popular program on market)?
First, thank for moving this post from hidden section to here (or whoever did it.) One question so: why not doing a post even not full and adding information later, instead of not doing any post ?
Second question about RMT: what do you call an increase of RMT trading ?
By reading you, it's like "People spend their own money to our L2Store, then resell items for adena. Therefore they are doing RMT with us as intermediate".
There is nothing about adena spammers and sellers so, you just want to avoid being considered as a way to do RMT ?
First of all, you probably took away the 50% Rune because it was tradeable, not realizing that if you just bit down and made all your runes tradeable, you'd probably get more money. Not from a business nor from a customer standpoint does your current stance on the item shop make sense. Good job on being ridiculous in both fields simultaneously, and for what? RMTers? You joking?
You guys aren't even doing anything against them, so quit implying that you care, because you don't. I walk into Aden and I'm spammed with them, I make a new character and THE SAME RMTERS, THE EXACT SAME ONES PM my character directly through friends list, keeping in mind of course that these people are NOT on my friends list. You are doing jack **** to solve the situation so kindly quit making it out like you're trying, because you're really not.
Your methods are absurd and make no sense, once again not from a business nor a customer standpoint. More item shop stuff that's untradeable? You sure showed those adena sellers who's boss!!1
Meanwhile, in reality land, adena sellers are still going strong, botters are taking over the game, and you're too concerned about how you can go about making it so less and less people buy the stuff in your item shop. You guys are so backwards it isn't even funny. It's not funny because a perfectly good game is going to go to complete **** -again- because of a completely BAD company.
I'll summarize what I've witnessed with this company so far;
>If players like it, get rid of it immediately.
Such as case with the Holiday Vitality item "bug" and things like Event Gatekeeper and News Informer.
>If players hate it, make it worse.
Ninja changes on grind spots, raising levels and lowering EXP gain without saying a word.
By far, you are the worst gaming company I've seen in my life, and that's saying something. You have a chance to turn this around, but instead you're probably going to do nothing, and for what reason? You realize that by going this route, Lineage II is going to die again and this time you're not going to have any way to resurrect it?
What is your stance on this, Sace? How about some Community Manager input?
Oh right. Too busy giving people infractions over quote-on-quote "trolling" and "being a meanie head to players".
Everytime there is a patch, I download it, then run the repair option (just in case the patcher missed something, which is most of the time) I havent had a problem...till now. Now I can get to the log in screen, enter my info and EVERY time I press enter I get the "you have been disconnected from the server, please log in again"
I expect to get a "high traffic" message a lot of the time due to the influx of players, but I cant even get to the server selection screen to get that message...
I have a level 85 Awakened Feoh Wizard. I can no longer do the daily(swamplands) without my mentor being on, and even then it will take around 10-12 nukes per mob. I don't even want to think about attempting the nursery, which is even harder.
I can't use an R grade weapon since it actually does LESS damage than my Dynasty phantom with 150 Wind. Mostly since element stones are currently 1.5m each, and I simply can not afford to spend the 100m it would require to properly element the weapon.
I have nowhere to level. I have no mechanism to raise the cash to get the gear to dream of leveling. Even the event is a wash. Buy stores are down to 2k per. The item rewards can't be sold. No income from drops.
Long story short, I can't advance past level 85 within the rules of the game.
It's extraordinary how NC Soft commits suicidal acts like these. Just when players decide to come back to the game, and your dead and buried servers come to life, you introduce an utterly legit player-hostile update.
Keep up the good work, you'll be back down to 2 servers again.
I have a level 85 Awakened Feoh Wizard. I can no longer do the daily(swamplands) without my mentor being on, and even then it will take around 10-12 nukes per mob. I don't even want to think about attempting the nursery, which is even harder.
I can't use an R grade weapon since it actually does LESS damage than my Dynasty phantom with 150 Wind. Mostly since element stones are currently 1.5m each, and I simply can not afford to spend the 100m it would require to properly element the weapon.
I have nowhere to level. I have no mechanism to raise the cash to get the gear to dream of leveling. Even the event is a wash. Buy stores are down to 2k per. The item rewards can't be sold. No income from drops.
Long story short, I can't advance past level 85 within the rules of the game.
Lol, you are lucky you had any gear. I awakend FW from my DN and had nothing. I spent the first 10% of the lvl using a SOM. I found several groups who were more than willing to have a FW in group.
Also, my guild had Enchanters and my friends who were enchanters gave me buffs and sonatas before SOA...
I raided terador, and other bosses.
There is sooooooooo much to do, you just need to get out more and forget about doing the same thing everyday - you need to get more variety and get off complaining on these forums about a system that is much easier to use. Lol.
I will say this though... the event is a wash and should be scaled to lvl.
The Save the Holiday Trees (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/save-the-holiday-trees.php) event continues.
Due to increased RMT (Real Money Trading) activity, preventive steps were taken with the following L2 Galleria and L2 Store items. Please take this as a reminder that the buying and selling of Adena is not only an offense that will result in the ban of the buyer and seller's accounts, but also negatively affects the game for every player on the server. Help keep the game fun for everyone by playing the game as it was designed; play legit.
Top-Grade Life Stone (R-Grade) and Scroll: Enchant Weapon (R-Grade), two of the popular items in Exploration Packs, are now no longer tradable or sellable.
Due to technical issues in making the above change, the Exploration Packs are temporarily unavailable for purchase from the L2 Galleria, but are still available from the L2 Store. They will soon return to the L2 Galleria.
The 1-hour 50% XP Rune is now temporarily unavailable for purchase.
Means the 50% rune is untradeable now? If i knew this i would of bought a bunch last night .... FFS seriously no warnings?
I've been playing since Open Beta so I've been a good customer, but your latest moves make really no sense at all.
I mostly agree with everything said below by Crysillion, most importantly that you are encouraging people to go to adena sites by making items untradable and NOT banning Adena spammers
1) Add Chat Ban for all Adena sellers (filter words like BYMMO.COM etc) and have GM's ban them
2) You need to make money so either ban Adena spammers or make items tradable again
3) Re-add news informers, if people hate something then it's waiting and many grps fall apart because ppl need too long to get somewhere.
4) This is not funny for beginners: Ninja changes on grind spots, raising levels and lowering EXP gain without saying a word.
5) A holiday event should be helping the players and people will buy more if they get a special treat
6) Many items are overpriced, e.g. the teleport flags and various other items.
Keep player base:
6) Add new events, including PvP events
7) Campaign needs to be daily at least twice
8) Make GM's help new players more actively
Ohhhhh, NCSoft.
First of all, you probably took away the 50% Rune because it was tradeable, not realizing that if you just bit down and made all your runes tradeable, you'd probably get more money. Not from a business nor from a customer standpoint does your current stance on the item shop make sense. Good job on being ridiculous in both fields simultaneously, and for what? RMTers? You joking?
You guys aren't even doing anything against them, so quit implying that you care, because you don't. I walk into Aden and I'm spammed with them, I make a new character and THE SAME RMTERS, THE EXACT SAME ONES PM my character directly through friends list, keeping in mind of course that these people are NOT on my friends list. You are doing jack **** to solve the situation so kindly quit making it out like you're trying, because you're really not.
Your methods are absurd and make no sense, once again not from a business nor a customer standpoint. More item shop stuff that's untradeable? You sure showed those adena sellers who's boss!!1
Meanwhile, in reality land, adena sellers are still going strong, botters are taking over the game, and you're too concerned about how you can go about making it so less and less people buy the stuff in your item shop. You guys are so backwards it isn't even funny. It's not funny because a perfectly good game is going to go to complete **** -again- because of a completely BAD company.
I'll summarize what I've witnessed with this company so far;
>If players like it, get rid of it immediately.
Such as case with the Holiday Vitality item "bug" and things like Event Gatekeeper and News Informer.
>If players hate it, make it worse.
Ninja changes on grind spots, raising levels and lowering EXP gain without saying a word.
By far, you are the worst gaming company I've seen in my life, and that's saying something. You have a chance to turn this around, but instead you're probably going to do nothing, and for what reason? You realize that by going this route, Lineage II is going to die again and this time you're not going to have any way to resurrect it?
What is your stance on this, Sace? How about some Community Manager input?
Oh right. Too busy giving people infractions over quote-on-quote "trolling" and "being a meanie head to players".
Are you serious? Raging about a game that doesn't require you to spend money on? Seriously? Let me remind you that you whiny kids raged about the lateness of the GoD release. "RELEASE GOD NOW!! ALL OUR MAINS ARE TOP LEVEL!! RELEASE IT OR WE WILL STOP PAYING!!" blah blah blah blah. So to accomodate the paying customers, they released it but didn't put it through PTS to test out the overall balance. Oh and to further please the customers, they decided to make it free to play with no limits. So now that they made changes to make it a little more balanced in almost all aspects (exp, skills, mobs, etc), YOU GUYS ARE COMPLAINING!! Stop complaining and just leave if you do not like it or Stop complaining and keep playing.
Just STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT A GAME THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON THIS GAME!!
Oh, and STOP HASSLING THE GMS about the CHANGES!! It's not their fault, they are just following NCSoft Korea's orders. Wow, you kids are worse than the "I HATE MY PARENTS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET ME AN iPHONE FOR CHRISTMAS!!" kids.
People were purchasing items from the Galleria so that they could sell them in-game for Adena, and now that's no longer going to be possible? You know what the result of this will be? Less people purchasing items from the Galleria, that's what.
So instead of reaping the continuous rewards of people spending their money on in-game items, NCsoft pulls a move that's likely to cause more people to consider purchasing Adena from these spammers in-game - all while it hurts its own revenue stream.
As for the mob lvls, thanks NCsoft for kicking the parties of low lvls out of the high lvl solo spots.
EXACTLY!!! The high level mobs that are made for awakened toons with stronger skills and attributes are suppose to be hard for the non awakened ones. If it's too hard, people will hunt somewhere else and it's more mobs for the ones who can. And for those who have awakened toons who can't handle it, you are playing your toon wrong. reroll or learn.
Or grind an alt to lvl 40. Grab the mentee certificate on the awakened toon and get yourself some Immortal/Requiem gear. Do it multiple times if you wanna test different weapons.
But please learn what your new skills do.
Was in a party last night where the warrior kept doing knockbacks aggroing more stuff on the group, that was trying to do controlled pulls.
People were purchasing items from the Galleria so that they could sell them in-game for Adena, and now that's no longer going to be possible? You know what the result of this will be? Less people purchasing items from the Galleria, that's what.
Remove the absurd pk system and we players will take care of half problem on those rmt, if we can pk the bots with a 20 min punishment instead of a 2-4h punishment we can kill them, since reporting does not work at all.
Never have I seen as many tears in one place as the official Lineage 2 forums.
I am glad all you crying people will leave the game soon and ease up the server load.
Peace out.
You're right. Slowly but surely, people will leave in a river of tears. They will leave, and they will keep leaving, and leaving, and leaving, until you once again get to have a dead game full of bots to play on.
Nice now i need to buy adena from sellers cause i cant make adena selling the items i was paying NCsoft for?! Great!!! Give the RMT more revenue and decrease your own <.<.... at least SS are still tradeable... Wait better not give more ideas to make RMT more profitable for the sellers that spam all towns
Oh, and STOP HASSLING THE GMS about the CHANGES!! It's not their fault, they are just following NCSoft Korea's orders. Wow, you kids are worse than the "I HATE MY PARENTS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET ME AN iPHONE FOR CHRISTMAS!!" kids.
Innova fixed this mob "update" themself, so why cant NCwest?
You're right. Attempting to play solo, in the portions of the game that are designed for solo play is completely wrong. Trying to use the new solo instances and daily quests specifically designed to help us level is wrong. (it sure ain't for the nonexistent drops) I suppose I 'could' go back to doing the Attack Salren quest, at .25% per turn in. That's only 400 times.
Not everyone is going to choose to fight for parties. I've always favored going out and doing something rather than hanging around for 1-2 hours hoping for a group. I can't do that anymore. I'm currently not in a guild, so mentor buffs are the only thing I've got going for me. And honestly, they shouldn't be required to solo hunt.
At what point is the game broken?
Lol, you are lucky you had any gear. I awakend FW from my DN and had nothing. I spent the first 10% of the lvl using a SOM. I found several groups who were more than willing to have a FW in group.
Also, my guild had Enchanters and my friends who were enchanters gave me buffs and sonatas before SOA...
I raided terador, and other bosses.
There is sooooooooo much to do, you just need to get out more and forget about doing the same thing everyday - you need to get more variety and get off complaining on these forums about a system that is much easier to use. Lol.
I will say this though... the event is a wash and should be scaled to lvl.
Buying something from the NC store and then turning around and selling it for Adena is not much different from RMT... Personally, I'm glad they made them untradeable. You're supposed to earn Adena ingame. If you don't know how, you're doing it wrong.
Real cute on the increased levels and mob pdef/mdef changes. Like no one would notice they're doing a fraction of the dmg they were previously, or suddenly their kill rate is garbage.
But hey who cares right? I'm sure various owners of 90+ characters and those who sold their Store items before they become bound are perfectly fine while the rest of your customer base gets retroactively screwed.
Yea yea, I'm *****ing and moaning. But you'd think after 7 years of the same practices they'd learn.
Buying something from the NC store and then turning around and selling it for Adena is not much different from RMT.
Purchasing items from the Galleria is RMT (Real Money Trading). The source of the product doesn't matter; if you are paying real money for in-game items, it's RMT.
If we change the topic to "illegal RMT", I still don't see a connection. In-game, both potions and Adena are beneficial to the player, so what makes the two so different? One helps you level up faster; the other helps you earn the equipment you need.
I believe that NCsoft is shooting itself in the foot with this move. For a lot of people, the available packs lost their lustre once the weapon offer expired, and making things worse, the items found in each pack are a bit skewed. It's as though the regular items are best-suited for sub-76 players (potions and soul shots), while the "bonus" items are only useful to post-84 players.
As someone who's still far off from reaching 85, the "bonus" items included in the top tier packs aren't of great interest. Nor are the "regular" items - they really only seem to be beneficial to those who A) can't dual-box, B) aren't in a clan or C) only solo.
Unlike you, I don't come across Adena easily. In the past, I pondered picking up the top-tier pack and selling off what I didn't need to get some much-needed cash for my S80 equipment. I figured doing this would be kosher with NCsoft because I wouldn't be buying from illegal sellers, but rather feeding my money straight into them. Joke's on me.
Whereas I once contemplated spending $40 or so on a pack, now I have absolutely no reason to.
On the topic of Adena, though - this is one area where the game can deliver the ultimate buzzkill in the span of one level. With GoD, people can level up to 80 fast... some have done it in a single week. On this journey, the Path rewards give you most of what you need to reach that goal... armor, weapons, jewels... the works. Then 80 comes along. 75 million for a weapon. 150 million an armor set. 30 million or so for jewels.
With that sort of progression, how on earth is someone meant to earn S80 equipment once the appropriate level is reached? When the Galleria launched, NCsoft gave people one option, but it's gone. I am far from being a devout L2 player, but I've played on and off since the Korean beta. I've put many, many hours into my main character, and he reached 80 not long ago. I can't even afford his freaking weapon, much less the entirety of what he needs. And I'm a tight-wad with Adena.
It's this kind of thing that risks killing the game. Botters win, Adena-buyers win, no-lifers win. Though even with no-lifers, there's obviously something I'm missing if at level 80, a few hundred million Adena should feel like nothing.
*sigh*
NCsoft: Please make me want to spend money in the Galleria. These backtracks sure aren't doing it for me. First the Vitality potions that don't "fully" restore your bar, and now this.
Glad i sold all my life stones before this >.<
It was actually nice to get some adena for free, never knew it would be seen as (or linked with illegal) RMT :confused:
But yeah like others said; less income for you guys.
One helps you level up faster; the other helps you earn the equipment you need.
Then 80 comes along. 75 million for a weapon. 150 million an armor set. 30 million or so for jewels.
With that sort of progression, how on earth is someone meant to earn S80 equipment once the appropriate level is reached? When the Galleria launched, NCsoft gave people one option, but it's gone. I am far from being a devout L2 player, but I've played on and off since the Korean beta. I've put many, many hours into my main character, and he reached 80 not long ago. I can't even afford his freaking weapon, much less the entirety of what he needs. And I'm a tight-wad with Adena.
You clearly do not know how to play with the resources that is available to you. If you look around, or read the patch notes, you can get an idea on how to survive in the game financially. But I shall give you some advice.
When you reach 76 with the Path To Awakening, you should have Dynasty gear with a 30 day timer on it. With the vitality that is given, you can level up to 85 within that 30 days. Mobs die just the same with striped down top S Grade weapons as well as Icarus or Vesper weapons. Who know, maybe you will be lucky enough to get a nice drop. As for the Ungodly prices for S80 Gear, why bother with it? If you look in the Auction House, you can see Immortal Armors and Requiem Weapons going for super cheaper than the S80s. I just spent 12mil for a full set of Immortal robes and the mage weapon is 15mil. And I bet in time, it will get cheaper. But what if your 30days are up and your gear goes away? In the lux shop in Giran, there is cheap S Grade gear to be bought. The only ones that got cheated are the dual sword wielders. You can pretty much deck yourself out in full S Grades with just 17mil or so, and its permanent... Bound.. but still permanent. But now you are asking yourself "Hey, what about enchantments, soul crystals, element stones?", When you become a mentor, the system gives you coins to spend on a "one shot, no fail" 60 element stone and weapon enchants of all flavors. Soul Crystals for your R Grade weapons? Get a group, go into any dungeon in the new areas, collect adventurers marks to turn in for R Grade Soul Crystals. Did you know Mentees, upon reaching 86, get full R Grade armor, weapon and shots? Slap a mentee certificate on your Scrooge of a toon and get to 86 for some free gear brought to you by the same people (NCSoft) that is "screwing you over". Mentees get an exp boost when their Mentors are logged on.. OMG WHY ARE YOU NOT USING THE SYSTEM TO HELP YOURSELF ENJOY THE GAME??!! lol But I digress, I bet you are one of those "I didn't get an iPhone for Christmas" kids and probably disregard this advice because you want the super gear to pwn noobs with.
In short, GoD pretty much destroyed the economy with making R Grade gear drops so frequent but you are too mezmerized with the shiny "uber" coating of the now useless S80 Gear to notice. Btw, did you know to put an SA on a top S80 is about 100 - 150mil adena.... to put an SA on an R Grade weapon? 23mil adena.
23mil adena... OMG WE GONNA DIE!! IT'S RAINING SIDEWAYS!!! lol
Oh in case you are wondering, My Storm Screamer, that is currently 83, is rocking the full Arcana Set with some element on the armor and 120wind on the Arcana mace. Oh yeah, I solo with that stuff in the Lost Nest, one shoting group mobs with no healer. S80 Gear? Who needs it? Not me.
I agree with that. Sometimes people forget to read and want knowledge to be given and not to be earned. As far as botting it seems that we are comming again to an age where bots rule the server. If reporting wont work pk would be one solution as dragonhand mentioned. Solving problems of botting and leveling should be the issue i think. Not how the economy.You can think ways to get adenna. Farming areas and raids always worked.
You clearly do not know how to play with the resources that is available to you. If you look around, or read the patch notes, you can get an idea on how to survive in the game financially. But I shall give you some advice.
When you reach 76 with the Path To Awakening, you should have Dynasty gear with a 30 day timer on it. With the vitality that is given, you can level up to 85 within that 30 days. Mobs die just the same with striped down top S Grade weapons as well as Icarus or Vesper weapons. Who know, maybe you will be lucky enough to get a nice drop. As for the Ungodly prices for S80 Gear, why bother with it? If you look in the Auction House, you can see Immortal Armors and Requiem Weapons going for super cheaper than the S80s. I just spent 12mil for a full set of Immortal robes and the mage weapon is 15mil. And I bet in time, it will get cheaper. But what if your 30days are up and your gear goes away? In the lux shop in Giran, there is cheap S Grade gear to be bought. The only ones that got cheated are the dual sword wielders. You can pretty much deck yourself out in full S Grades with just 17mil or so, and its permanent... Bound.. but still permanent. But now you are asking yourself "Hey, what about enchantments, soul crystals, element stones?", When you become a mentor, the system gives you coins to spend on a "one shot, no fail" 60 element stone and weapon enchants of all flavors. Soul Crystals for your R Grade weapons? Get a group, go into any dungeon in the new areas, collect adventurers marks to turn in for R Grade Soul Crystals. Did you know Mentees, upon reaching 86, get full R Grade armor, weapon and shots? Slap a mentee certificate on your Scrooge of a toon and get to 86 for some free gear brought to you by the same people (NCSoft) that is "screwing you over". Mentees get an exp boost when their Mentors are logged on.. OMG WHY ARE YOU NOT USING THE SYSTEM TO HELP YOURSELF ENJOY THE GAME??!! lol But I digress, I bet you are one of those "I didn't get an iPhone for Christmas" kids and probably disregard this advice because you want the super gear to pwn noobs with.
In short, GoD pretty much destroyed the economy with making R Grade gear drops so frequent but you are too mezmerized with the shiny "uber" coating of the now useless S80 Gear to notice. Btw, did you know to put an SA on a top S80 is about 100 - 150mil adena.... to put an SA on an R Grade weapon? 23mil adena.
23mil adena... OMG WE GONNA DIE!! IT'S RAINING SIDEWAYS!!! lol
Oh in case you are wondering, My Storm Screamer, that is currently 83, is rocking the full Arcana Set with some element on the armor and 120wind on the Arcana mace. Oh yeah, I solo with that stuff in the Lost Nest, one shoting group mobs with no healer. S80 Gear? Who needs it? Not me.
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only i want to add is that Dynasty Armor/Weapon from Path to Awakening
has 90 days timer and not 30 so that makes it even better to stock some money until 86
cheers!!
Innova fixed this mob "update" themself, so why cant NCwest?
Last thing i rememember was that Noone wanted Innova and their tactics, im very sure there are hundreds of posts saying this... now what is all about their mods (if it's true that they fixed it on their own)
but anyway If the issue comes from NCSoft HQ then there isnt much things to do unless the same HQ release a patch to resolve it (Like they did with Anthy from H5 part 3 to H5 part 5)
You're right. Slowly but surely, people will leave in a river of tears. They will leave, and they will keep leaving, and leaving, and leaving, until you once again get to have a dead game full of bots to play on.
I'm sure you're very excited.
Awesome. Please leave now rather than later. Sail away and don't look back.
nc ruin the game, the adena sellers are trying to help us all.
no pts, too many adena sink, no correct description on itens/npcs, no fair answers on forum and they want to put the olders costumers to run doing these things.
Purchasing items from the Galleria is RMT (Real Money Trading). The source of the product doesn't matter; if you are paying real money for in-game items, it's RMT.
If we change the topic to "illegal RMT", I still don't see a connection. In-game, both potions and Adena are beneficial to the player, so what makes the two so different? One helps you level up faster; the other helps you earn the equipment you need.
I believe that NCsoft is shooting itself in the foot with this move. For a lot of people, the available packs lost their lustre once the weapon offer expired, and making things worse, the items found in each pack are a bit skewed. It's as though the regular items are best-suited for sub-76 players (potions and soul shots), while the "bonus" items are only useful to post-84 players.
As someone who's still far off from reaching 85, the "bonus" items included in the top tier packs aren't of great interest. Nor are the "regular" items - they really only seem to be beneficial to those who A) can't dual-box, B) aren't in a clan or C) only solo.
Unlike you, I don't come across Adena easily. In the past, I pondered picking up the top-tier pack and selling off what I didn't need to get some much-needed cash for my S80 equipment. I figured doing this would be kosher with NCsoft because I wouldn't be buying from illegal sellers, but rather feeding my money straight into them. Joke's on me.
Whereas I once contemplated spending $40 or so on a pack, now I have absolutely no reason to.
On the topic of Adena, though - this is one area where the game can deliver the ultimate buzzkill in the span of one level. With GoD, people can level up to 80 fast... some have done it in a single week. On this journey, the Path rewards give you most of what you need to reach that goal... armor, weapons, jewels... the works. Then 80 comes along. 75 million for a weapon. 150 million an armor set. 30 million or so for jewels.
With that sort of progression, how on earth is someone meant to earn S80 equipment once the appropriate level is reached? When the Galleria launched, NCsoft gave people one option, but it's gone. I am far from being a devout L2 player, but I've played on and off since the Korean beta. I've put many, many hours into my main character, and he reached 80 not long ago. I can't even afford his freaking weapon, much less the entirety of what he needs. And I'm a tight-wad with Adena.
It's this kind of thing that risks killing the game. Botters win, Adena-buyers win, no-lifers win. Though even with no-lifers, there's obviously something I'm missing if at level 80, a few hundred million Adena should feel like nothing.
*sigh*
NCsoft: Please make me want to spend money in the Galleria. These backtracks sure aren't doing it for me. First the Vitality potions that don't "fully" restore your bar, and now this.
Poor NCSoft :S now they dont have income, and you are sooooo worried about it.
oh wait !!! you were making adena with it :S, sorry you cant anymore XD
You're right. Slowly but surely, people will leave in a river of tears. They will leave, and they will keep leaving, and leaving, and leaving, until you once again get to have a dead game full of bots to play on.
I'm sure you're very excited.
this was the golden age. get us back to it!!!
Just how exactly does removing of 50% rune tradeability reduce illegal RMT? Was selling 50% rune for adena illegal to begin with? If so, were people banned for it?
This is all LOL worthy!! Just about fell off my chair laughing. You don't need the L2 store to make money. Here's an idea SKIP S80! If you have a decent party S gear will get you there! God you noobs think this is the private server again...guess again the gravy train ends at some point people.
The Save the Holiday Trees (http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/save-the-holiday-trees.php) event continues.
Due to increased RMT (Real Money Trading) activity, preventive steps were taken with the following L2 Galleria and L2 Store items. Please take this as a reminder that the buying and selling of Adena is not only an offense that will result in the ban of the buyer and seller's accounts, but also negatively affects the game for every player on the server. Help keep the game fun for everyone by playing the game as it was designed; play legit.
Top-Grade Life Stone (R-Grade) and Scroll: Enchant Weapon (R-Grade), two of the popular items in Exploration Packs, are now no longer tradable or sellable.
Due to technical issues in making the above change, the Exploration Packs are temporarily unavailable for purchase from the L2 Galleria, but are still available from the L2 Store. They will soon return to the L2 Galleria.
The 1-hour 50% XP Rune is now temporarily unavailable for purchase.
You and your company are insane.
Gold sellers have been continuously advertising lower and lower prices in their shouts. This means that they are selling LESS adena as they farm more and more and have nothing to do with it. The reason they are selling less adena is because players were legitimately trading cash for adena with each other through the cash shop. This is the IDEAL situation for a mmorpg for both the community and the parent company.
RMT by itself has NEVER been a problem in ANY mmorpg. The hacking and botting that goes with it is what players hated! Ever wonder why the mmo community doesn't freak out and riot when you hypocritically add your own offical rmt with a cash shop in game? Because RMT is fine! Trading dollars or adena makes no difference. Both represent invested time. Voluntarily trading money for time is and always will be acceptable to the player base. It's the basis of both the real world and virtual economy! You really think you are making a good decison to remove tradable cash shop items? Again I repeat, you are insane.
You knew exactly why someone would purchase 10 50 dollar packages when you made them. IT WASNT FOR THE WORTHLESS PET COUPONS. IT WASNT FOR THE WORTHLESS BUFF JUICES. IT WAS FOR THE 20 MILLION ADENA SCROLLS AND LIFE STONES. With this, I have lost complete faith in your entire company. Not a single one of you know what you are doing. You are all insane.
As for the people who pretend they care about how some other player that they don't know makes their in game money, REALLY? You guys are so full of it. Not once in your life while in game have you cared about how another player got their gear. This is a complete forum fabrication in order to stir up more drama. Nobody was getting +16 top every gear with boss jewels from selling a few 50% exp runes so don't even pretend that they were. Adena drops have been cut across the board and this was an intentionally designed method for making that up. No f2p game is ever free to play. I don't understand why ncsoft is doing this. They arent even cutting out the stomach of their golden goose to get the implied gold inside, they are just throwing it into the river because they are tired of collecting free money.
Rotfl your whole post made me LOL. Esp calling Sace insane which will get you temp banned from forum I am sure but I doubt you care. LOL I did not agree with all of it. I find the sell shops and shouts very annoying. I do not think this backward approach NCsoft just took will help in anyway. Infact I would say they just helped the Adena Farmers. Now if people can not buy thier packs to make some adena off they will just go to the farmers. Did you really think this throught NCWEST?
You seem awfully hung-up on my mention of S80... that's not the only reason for Adena in this game. And you also assume that all of my characters are post-GoD and have the luxury of decked-out S equipment, but no. All of my characters are pre-GoD, and that means that my main, who's existed since March 28, 2004, is using bound IC from the Luxury Shop, while new players are prancing around in full-blown Dynasty. Nice.
Either way, your advice is appreciated. Glad to know what to expect @ 86.
Poor NCSoft :S now they dont have income, and you are sooooo worried about it.
oh wait !!! you were making adena with it :S, sorry you cant anymore XD
If you were competent enough to read, you would have noticed that I said I was contemplating doing this, not that I did.
And what's wrong with my questioning a company for hurting their revenue stream? I deal a lot in business, so it truly baffles me when I see a move made like this. Sorry if it's a topic outside of your intelligence threshold.
Here's an idea SKIP S80! If you have a decent party S gear will get you there!
Yup, that's just it. Perfect only if you are a post-GoD character.
Nobody was getting +16 top every gear with boss jewels from selling a few 50% exp runes so don't even pretend that they were. Adena drops have been cut across the board and this was an intentionally designed method for making that up.
Technically that's not true, right now in Naia there's a dorf selling 230 XP runes at 8m each.
230x8= 1 billion 840 million. Not counting all the other runes he sold for the last month.
Now using a medium NCCoin pack price that guy is basically buying adena at $0.125/million. (1 hour rune costs 80 NCCoin ie about $1) Now go ingame and see how much the various spammers are selling adena for. It's a nice little profit for them no? They buy for 12.5 cents/million LEGALLY from NCSoft WITHOUT BOTING and sell for 35 cents/million. Know many businesses that have 180% return on capital? THAT is why adena prices are falling, cause the farmers buy their adena from NCSoft cheaply, not cause players aren't buying from the farmers. And the magic of it is they don't even have to waste their time and resources botting 100 accounts to gather the adena they sell. They can do it with 3-4 sell shops around town.
Technically that's not true, right now in Naia there's a dorf selling 230 XP runes at 8m each.
230x8= 1 billion 840 million. Not counting all the other runes he sold for the last month.
Now using a medium NCCoin pack price that guy is basically buying adena at $0.125/million. (1 hour rune costs 80 NCCoin ie about $1) Now go ingame and see how much the various spammers are selling adena for. It's a nice little profit for them no? They buy for 12.5 cents/million LEGALLY from NCSoft WITHOUT BOTING and sell for 35 cents/million. Know many businesses that have 180% return on capital? THAT is why adena prices are falling, cause the farmers buy their adena from NCSoft cheaply, not cause players aren't buying from the farmers. And the magic of it is they don't even have to waste their time and resources botting 100 accounts to gather the adena they sell. They can do it with 3-4 sell shops around town.
i fail to see what's the benefit NC is getting with it.
Now adena sellers stop buying from NC and go back to boting.
And legit players that sold runes stop buying from NC too.
i fail to see what's the benefit NC is getting with it.
Now adena sellers stop buying from NC and go back to boting.
And legit players that sold runes stop buying from NC too.
the benefit for NC is that I for example, that have 50 billion adena and don't really care about paying 4-5-6-7-8m for 1 hour of bonus exp can't anymore so if I want bonus exp I have to buy it from NCSoft.
And boting is easier to ban that dorfs sitting in town selling XP runes.
the benefit for NC is that I for example, that have 50 billion adena and don't really care about paying 4-5-6-7-8m for 1 hour of bonus exp can't anymore so if I want bonus exp I have to buy it from NCSoft.
And boting is easier to ban that dorfs sitting in town selling XP runes.
yeah but is a circle, cos those items are sold by NC in the first place.
They look at the part where "you can't buy anymore" but forget the part where the guy who sold you won't buy from them anymore.
yeah but is a circle, cos those items are sold by NC in the first place.
They look at the part where "you can't buy anymore" but forget the part where the guy who sold you won't buy from them anymore.
precisely, so if you do the math in your head the only thing that gets removed from the circle is the RMT aspect ;) Cause if random_legit bought 10 xp runes and sold them to me for adena, I m still gonna buy them from NC so their sales won't suffer as far sales to regular players are concerned. They will just lose sales to RMTers, and you can't really complain about that
Technically that's not true, right now in Naia there's a dorf selling 230 XP runes at 8m each.
On what planet is one hour worth of +50% XP worth 8 million Adena? I'd be a little surprised if that seller was able to actually get that much for them.
On what planet is one hour worth of +50% XP worth 8 million Adena? I'd be a little surprised if that seller was able to actually get that much for them.
last I saw before he disappeared from the game he had sold 28 runes since I first spotted him which was in about 20-25 minutes so ... do not underestimate the spending power of people with billions in their warehouses and nothing to buy ;)
precisely, so if you do the math in your head the only thing that gets removed from the circle is the RMT aspect ;) Cause if random_legit bought 10 xp runes and sold them to me for adena, I m still gonna buy them from NC so their sales won't suffer as far sales to regular players are concerned. They will just lose sales to RMTers, and you can't really complain about that
Not quite, people that can afford the adena cost but not the money cost bought these from people that could afford the money cost but not the adena . What makes you think that people will spend their $ for runes with the same ease they spent the adena they spent for those in the first place?
Technically that's not true, right now in Naia there's a dorf selling 230 XP runes at 8m each.
230x8= 1 billion 840 million. Not counting all the other runes he sold for the last month.
Now using a medium NCCoin pack price that guy is basically buying adena at $0.125/million. (1 hour rune costs 80 NCCoin ie about $1) Now go ingame and see how much the various spammers are selling adena for. It's a nice little profit for them no? They buy for 12.5 cents/million LEGALLY from NCSoft WITHOUT BOTING and sell for 35 cents/million. Know many businesses that have 180% return on capital? THAT is why adena prices are falling, cause the farmers buy their adena from NCSoft cheaply, not cause players aren't buying from the farmers. And the magic of it is they don't even have to waste their time and resources botting 100 accounts to gather the adena they sell. They can do it with 3-4 sell shops around town.
Basic math fail & observation or what ?
Theres a dwarf selling for 8kk each because this change was made not priorly. NC pulling runes out made that possible , runes were being sold at about 3.3-3.5kk consistently before Nc did this.
From that point some further observations , you speak of Naia , and EU people do pay in euros the exact amount US people will pay in $ , so 4.8$=4.8euros .
But enough of naia talk , to the point , regardless region.
All packs small/medium/huge of nc coin packs , charge you EXACTLY the same per coin , without giving you any better exchange rate for going big so your remark on this is invalid as well.
4.8$= 400 coins = 5 runes = 16.5 - 17.5kk adena
Now adena from the spammers you quote
100kk = 30$ which comes to about 5.1$
Now where do you see that 180% return on capital that you claimed before?
The problem with legalized RMT is that people will be able to spend irl money to get significant advantages in game, for example buy a few billions and make yourself 3 +5/+1 tattoos.
The official RMT support works well enough in EVE online game (you can buy in-game items that add game time to account for in-game money and you can buy those items using IRL money to sell in game) that has completely free market economy and fully destructable assets, but will it work as well in such game as Lineage 2? I am not sure.
the benefit for NC is that I for example, that have 50 billion adena and don't really care about paying 4-5-6-7-8m for 1 hour of bonus exp can't anymore so if I want bonus exp I have to buy it from NCSoft.
And boting is easier to ban that dorfs sitting in town selling XP runes.
maybe for people with 50 billion this is correct. however for most other people it's not. for example i would buy 50% exp runes for 2-3 mil but buying them from the cash shop? forget it, I'd rather only buy nevits runes for twice as much time, and none at all after 86.
this WILL reduce amount of items that people buy from the shop, the only question is, will this decrease be enough to convince NCsoft to reconsider this move. I think they won't have a choice once it comes to 2 variants, enable legalized RMT (through legal selling of shop items) or close the servers. Really those buffs are redundant now and exp bonus is way too small for mass usage for $$ but we'll see how it goes.
Poor NCSoft :S now they dont have income, and you are sooooo worried about it.
oh wait !!! you were making adena with it :S, sorry you cant anymore XD
Stop being silly.
If NCsoft isnt making money, who is gonna pay for the servers to be up?
I already bought 24k coins. Then the system text said I couldnt buy anymore, until a certain time had passed. Not sure how long that time is though, it never specified.
How? Instead of controlling the price of adena and forcing RMTers through official channels, they're empowering botters even more.
This is like banning drugs and getting surprised when the Cartels have more power then the Mexican government itself.
Ultimately you cannot control what people do with their own money. There is no difference between rich people buying a billion adena through botters, or buying a billion adena through NCsoft. Except that one keeps the game running and the other leads to its eventual destruction.
How? Instead of controlling the price of adena and forcing RMTers through official channels, they're empowering botters even more.
This is like banning drugs and getting surprised when the Cartels have more power then the Mexican government itself.
Ultimately you cannot control what people do with their own money. There is no difference between rich people buying a billion adena through botters, or buying a billion adena through NCsoft. Except that one keeps the game running and the other leads to its eventual destruction.
+1 to that , so well said.
The essence boils down to this :
People that would use their RL currency for ingame currency , will continue to do so now , just without buying anything for NCsoft .
People that bought items for ingame currency , that is now available only with real life currency , wont start buying for RL currency now.
Everyone can figure out who is losing out on this deal..
Nice to see no response on the mob lvl increase.
a) Thats the way the game was design by Korea , so nothing they can do locally.
b) Thats the way things should be , 85+ Awakened areas are not meant to be swarmed by newbies ( & noobs) running around in their measly from path to awakening armors in large amounts.
+1 to that , so well said.
The essence boils down to this :
People that would use their RL currency for ingame currency , will continue to do so now , just without buying anything for NCsoft .
People that bought items for ingame currency , that is now available only with real life currency , wont start buying for RL currency now.
Everyone can figure out who is losing out on this deal..
This is why all new RM items sold by Blizzard are tradable ingame.
It is also why there is a RM auction house coming to Diablo 3.
You cannot fight human nature. It's a waste of time and resources when you can profit and control it via market forces instead.
b) Thats the way things should be , 85+ Awakened areas are not meant to be swarmed by newbies ( & noobs) running around in their measly from path to awakening armors in large amounts.
I would agree to a point. However, what about the "awakened" characters which continually swarm the lower level content. I think of things for example like the Mithril Mines daily quests and Crypts Of Disgrace for massive AOE parties. This content is quite clearly for characters between 80 and 85. What's good for the goose is good for the gander I say.
go to DV and AL - it's completely empty now and with the new levels the mobs there are green or white for 85. Mobs are about as tough as swamp mobs and exp is the same or more.
And the most important thing -- these mobs drop 20k instead of 1.5k like swamp ones do ... so if they fix lvls again I'll have to exp spending adena instead of earning again, which is not good.
It would be nice for them to at least acknowledge the change, or tell us why it was done, or even let us know if it was or wasn't intentional. This goes back to them listening to us, and responding in a timely fashion, to avoid all the miscommunication errors and leaving us in the dark about various issues after GoD went live. It's puzzling because the moderators said that they were going to try to communicate these kinds of things to us more, but it's just not happening.
And stop it with the "Well, that's the way it is in Korea, Russia" etc. excuses. Because it's that way there doesn't mean it's intended to be that way here. Copying exactly what Korea does has not worked in the past, and GoD and Truly Free to my understanding were intended to be a shift from how things were in the past in an attempt to make the game successful here.