i tried posting this in another section but to no avail, im interested to see which are better, since i know from previous chronicles duals were better for exp, but a single was better for pvp, is this still the case?
since the single dagger can't get crit damage anymore (but the duals get "damage up") surely the duals would be the go to choice,
but the passives lists only the superior dagger mastery (single) as getting the skill mastery instant re-use, does this work with duals too?
no it does not..i used dual dagger before and been using them since i got my blessed shaper and the skill resets are way better on single dagger..duel daggers rarely till never reset..
especially in chain blow i noticed a big difference on its reset success..
no it does not..i used dual dagger before and been using them since i got my blessed shaper and the skill resets are way better on single dagger..duel daggers rarely till never reset..
especially in chain blow i noticed a big difference on its reset success..
but surely if the skill mastery is still going off, even with dual daggers, this proves its still working...and leads me to believe that a) skill descriptions are wrong (nothing new) and that the skill mastery description has been missed out by mistake on the dual dagger mastery, OR that dual dagger mastery "stacks" with normal dagger mastery... in which case it will also get the lethal bonus? And since dual daggers also the the best SA, we should be using those for R grade?
i'm getting close to 86 so i really wanna find this out instead of being gimped by picking the wrong weap
its simple..single dagger is OP for pvp..in my opinion even better for pve just cuz of the half kill skills and lethal rates u get with the single dagger..ur a skill spammer get used to it...auto attack is useless.
dual daggers dont get any bonus...besided 2 str and patk..wich single dagger gets aswell..the only difference i noticed was 100 patk and atk speed was slower on single dagger..thats no big deal..atm and for SAs..i really cant tell u cuz im more pvp based and dont really give a **** about PVE...and for PVPs there is no SA out there that is anywhere close of being usefull for daggers...
if single dagger is for pvp then excuse me give us better SAs..guidance haste and focus for SA on single dagger...
dmg up focus and what is it guidance or haste? for dual..thats bs...
when it comes to pvp there is no SA that will increase skill dmg or skill success rate and thats what dagger is missing extremly..
so therefor i call daggers are PVE chars...since GOD..just because we get AOEs..lol..and plunder<<seriously wtf is wrong with NCsoft gimping this class out soooo much..
Superior Dagger Mastery works for both, one handed dagger and dual dagger. I didnt notice any difference for resert skill, I already chain 3 blow in row with my dual R with this reset reuse, never happened with my one handed dagger.
Critical dmg are increased when your weapon is enchanted to +4.
Superior Dagger Mastery works for both, one handed dagger and dual dagger. I didnt notice any difference for resert skill, I already chain 3 blow in row with my dual R with this reset reuse, never happened with my one handed dagger.
Critical dmg are increased when your weapon is enchanted to +4.
Which is all i wanted to know. Since the SA on the single dagger blows so much, it seems duals for R grade at least are better...
If we assume the single dagger mastery stacks (which it should do since its the only one with the skill mastery description and this still works with duals) we should also be getting the lethal bonus ... so there should be no difference short of luck / placebo / some unknown quantifier that isn't listed anywhere (i wouldn't doubt ncsoft)
And since duals are so good for PvE, i think it's safe to say all rogue users should be using duals until at least 90... i haven't seen the SA's yet, but the whole basis that one dagger was better for PVP was because of the crit damage SA, since skills have the same re-use no matter what your attack speed now
http://l2wiki.com/Apocalypse_Shaper
Guidance
ncreases Accuracy by 7.7. Inflicts additional damage during PvP. P. Critical Damage increases when enchanted to +4.
Haste
Increases Atk. Spd. by about 15%. Increases damage inflicted during PvP. P. Critical Damage increases when enchanted to +4.
Focus
Increases Critical by 82.3. Increases damage inflicted during PvP. P. Critical Damage increases when enchanted to +4.
http://l2wiki.com/Apocalypse_Dual_Dagger
Damage
Increases P. Atk. by 332. Inflicts additional damage during PvP. P. Critical Damage and P. Atk. increases when enchanted to +4.
Focus
Increases Critical by 79.2. Increases damage inflicted during PvP. P. Critical Damage and P. Atk. increases when enchanted to +4.
Guidance
Increases Accuracy by 7.7. Inflicts additional damage during PvP. P. Critical Damage and P. Atk. increases when enchanted to +4.
So, in single :
haste are poor... already have 1500 with buffs...
focus maybe for 472 get 500 limit...
guidance 7.7 maybe...
in dual :
damage are good
focus again maybe for 472 -> 500
guidance again maybe 7.7...
any tips if i shoud dual this apoca or use as single?? and why?
All stats are near limit , so damage up in duals is a better choice?
I make a fast test, for Dual vs Single dagger..
my friend have healer, so i duel him with full ISS buffs and knights harmony for both me and healer! He turn hes back for me and i attack! i need about 3 to 6 seconts to kill him with dual dagger and 8 to 10 seconts with single...
PS: I use +4 requiem dual dagger no SA, and +3 Apocalypse Shaper no SA
i make the test 10 times with dual and 10 times with single, the point is that when skills dosent land with duals, again i kill him faster with auto attack hits and crits.. i dont know if the +3 Shaper make the diference cause of crit dmg on +4 but in 20 duels he die really faster when i use dual dagger..
i make the test on healer cause daggers is robe hunters... imo
PS2: what i really hate on NcSoft, they never explain skills and passives and how it works, we spend hours to search forums since 2005 for annoying thinks like this, NC must make the game play better not to make enigmas to players for what items to use..
PS3: and the bigest question i have is why dagger skills fail so much in GoD, Clan m8s Yul Archers hit Healers with R grade in PvP for 19k dmg and i say wtf
i land skill for 6k dmg and 2/3 miss.. i really want to know depends on what for skills to success?
I make a fast test, for Dual vs Single dagger..
my friend have healer, so i duel him with full ISS buffs and knights harmony for both me and healer! He turn hes back for me and i attack! i need about 3 to 6 seconts to kill him with dual dagger and 8 to 10 seconts with single...
PS: I use +4 requiem dual dagger no SA, and +3 Apocalypse Shaper no SA
i make the test 10 times with dual and 10 times with single, the point is that when skills dosent land with duals, again i kill him faster with auto attack hits and crits.. i dont know if the +3 Shaper make the diference cause of crit dmg on +4 but in 20 duels he die really faster when i use dual dagger..
i make the test on healer cause daggers is robe hunters... imo
PS2: what i really hate on NcSoft, they never explain skills and passives and how it works, we spend hours to search forums since 2005 for annoying thinks like this, NC must make the game play better not to make enigmas to players for what items to use..
PS3: and the bigest question i have is why dagger skills fail so much in GoD, Clan m8s Yul Archers hit Healers with R grade in PvP for 19k dmg and i say wtf
i land skill for 6k dmg and 2/3 miss.. i really want to know depends on what for skills to success?
Sorry for my bad english!
Single dagger at +4 gets a massive crit dmg boost, so get it to +4 and try the test again. Singles shouldn't take twice as long as duals to kill a robe.
Single dagger at +4 gets a massive crit dmg boost, so get it to +4 and try the test again. Singles shouldn't take twice as long as duals to kill a robe.
Dual give a critical dmg bonus too
Duals dagger +4 or more give +18 P.atk and +506 P. critical dmg
hi guys I decide to play with single dagger what SA would you suggest me?
I dont see any advantage in focus/haste cos stats are nearly at max, I was wondering about guidance could it be helpful in some situations? or just tell me your opinion thx... and I rly dont want to go dual daggers
got blessed apo shaper + sa + 300 +4, if healer doesnt heal itself, die pretty much in seconds, that is if skills land.
guidance sucks, focus sucks, haste sucks too, silly sa's, I got focus and plan to put haste as second sa, cos if with knight buff, attack speed drops to 1.380 crit rate drops too a bit. personal choice, never tried dual daggers, cant say