I am a 74 lvl Treasure hunter and i can't believe how weakened he has gone. I chose this class because it is fun, easy to level him up and dager was always the best pvp char to pick. But during these 3 weeks that i started to play here i get blasted in every pvp or duel... its crazy... My hp is so low and low light armor p def doesn't help either. Evasion? Hell no! It's not even a factor, which it should be!!! i get blasted in few seconds by other chars and they always connect. While i miss most of my shots, just sometimes i get couple of backstabs which gives me about 2k dmg, 1k dmg per backstab but that still not enough to kill someone. I have mentor buffs and i always fight someone in my lvl range so i cant grasp this sh@#t still... I was wondering why there arent many dagers, mainly TH's in this server but now i understand. They made them soft like toilet tissue. TH should always have high HP, fast atack speed, and great accuracy. But now i can only say i have atack speed thats it. I know you might say you lose every fight cuz you a noob or something but i play this game for 6 years and played here in 2009 for some time so i have some experience. So i wanted to ask you guys do you feel the same,is it maybe just temporary period where he sucks so bad and will it get better and when?
P.S. I saw the threads about TH hp issues and that might have a lot of influence on why im dying so fast against everyone. Maybe they should increase the hp agaiin because humans always have more hp than others in dagers class. Which is not the case today! Dark elf have more hp...
warriors can 1 hit kill mages and daggers before 85
tanks can 3 hit kill mages and daggers before 85 or reflect them to death
game balance before 85 are ******
Humans got no love before awakening :D
The new attribute sets and base stats totally screw up the old Lineage
Best PVP char atm before 85 seems to be the blade dancer xD (YES ! I mean it :D just killed 4 guys alone with 0 cp pots xD )
Anyway I play TH too and they're not so bad as you describe them. Sure I feel somewhat weaker than AW or PW (**** jealous about focus death) but I do decent damage to other chars. If you are not fighting heavy armor user everything is ok. And your opponent is in your level range. Although i must say that i managed to kill doombringer in dynasty while i was in a grade xD
This leads to point B
NCSoft ... Y U NO THINK BETTER !!!
I can kill mage/archer in 5-6 stabs ... and it takes a whole mp bar to kill heavy armor user like tank/gladi/bd/sws
WR makes half-kill every other hit . Adventurer makes half-kill once in 40 stabs :D dafuq!
Q_Q mode. Uncool
I choose to play th because of dash which apparently has huge reuse nowadays. I choose to play TH due to the highest amount of HP it used to have ... apparently not nowadays
Thank you NCsoft :D
Very well done. Totally got me by surprise
TH is the dagger with less acuracy and stab land rate.
i thought abyss walkers had the lowest stab land rate,well at least before you get focus death.but from what ive heard now its better to wait until you get max level to pvp anyway(which sucks,cuz its tempting to pk all those ksing nukers that steal my mobs).eather way i mean i played Lineage 2 before awakening classes were in but from my understanding it doesnt matter what dagger class you picked at 86 or whatever its othell rogue
although ive played plainswalkers more then i have abyss walkers but i dont know,all those old school Lineage 2 pvp videos of ghost hunters with full boss jewels trashing people abyss walkers looked pretty fun
TH is the dagger with less acuracy and stab land rate.
Anyways you will leave all this facts behind once you get 85 and you won't care about it anmore.
I guess i mean not the general accuracy but the skill land rate accuracy, TH always used to be the most accurate when it comes to landing all the skills successfully.
I mean when you say its all unbalanced, i cant understand that, because i would expect that in a private server where i played most of my L2 years at, but this is official, so i would asume that everything should work find and everything would be balanced. But i guess you are right with this update they just forgot about everything else and focused only working on gameplay after 85lvl which sucks, cuz a lot of people probably wont even reach that lvl.
Humans got no love before awakening :D
The new attribute sets and base stats totally screw up the old Lineage
Best PVP char atm before 85 seems to be the blade dancer xD (YES ! I mean it :D just killed 4 guys alone with 0 cp pots xD )
Anyway I play TH too and they're not so bad as you describe them. Sure I feel somewhat weaker than AW or PW (**** jealous about focus death) but I do decent damage to other chars. If you are not fighting heavy armor user everything is ok. And your opponent is in your level range. Although i must say that i managed to kill doombringer in dynasty while i was in a grade xD
This leads to point B
NCSoft ... Y U NO THINK BETTER !!!
I can kill mage/archer in 5-6 stabs ... and it takes a whole mp bar to kill heavy armor user like tank/gladi/bd/sws
WR makes half-kill every other hit . Adventurer makes half-kill once in 40 stabs :D dafuq!
Q_Q mode. Uncool
I choose to play th because of dash which apparently has huge reuse nowadays. I choose to play TH due to the highest amount of HP it used to have ... apparently not nowadays
Thank you NCsoft :D
Very well done. Totally got me by surprise
Yea if i fight a heavy armor char its already over... i might as well just sit down and watch my dmg go down in couple of secs, i do prety good against mages tho, when i do actualy land some skills, and against other dagers i lose but i do more damage. I can'tbelieve i lose against bd, he used to be the worst char ever in pvp now he owns TH? are you serious? I guess i just gotta keep lvling up to 85 and hope for some balance. Also a lot of people say it will get better at lvl 81 because i will get the hide skill and it should help me a lot in pvp's
i thought abyss walkers had the lowest stab land rate,well at least before you get focus death.but from what ive heard now its better to wait until you get max level to pvp anyway(which sucks,cuz its tempting to pk all those ksing nukers that steal my mobs).eather way i mean i played Lineage 2 before awakening classes were in but from my understanding it doesnt matter what dagger class you picked at 86 or whatever its othell rogue
although ive played plainswalkers more then i have abyss walkers but i dont know,all those old school Lineage 2 pvp videos of ghost hunters with full boss jewels trashing people abyss walkers looked pretty fun
Eh dude.... focus death has nothing to do with skill landrate O_O
It's the mortal strike that makes it higher
I guess i mean not the general accuracy but the skill land rate accuracy, TH always used to be the most accurate when it comes to landing all the skills successfully.
I'm gonna disagree with you.
TH has been the dagger with the less stab rate since c5 at least (unless you use focus chance, but i hear THs go for focus power more often). Mortal strike adds 30% stab land rate which can be on at all times while THs had that Blow pink skill that for 15secs would increase ur stab rate. But since their HP was "nerfed" to the ground, the class ain't apealing anymore.
What THs had going for them was:
-Better ambush becoz of Dash (this itself puts you at an advantage);
-Better survivility becoz they have the biggest HP and could stack PVP armor bonus+mirage+reflect;
-they could chance stances betewn landing stabs bit more often or increasing power;
-With focus xxxx they had less debuff bonuses on the front then pw/aw (FD,FP)which puts them on an advantage against multiple targets than the other 2 daggers.
Now new ppl are not going for PVP bonus anymore, cause it doesn't exist on R grade and getting vesper/moirai/vorpal is too expensive for newcomers (7kk at lvl82 true story) and R grade is pratically free
So i don't think the developers will be doing anything except increase players capabilities of reaching 85 faster making lower lvl content even more obsolete and therefore overlooked when it comes to class balance.
Also a lot of people will reach 85, it's boring yes but you can do it, while being casual, specially if you are lucky to get a 24/7 online mentor.
Just wait till your 76 and can't get newbie buffs anymore, then you can't even solo pve daily's, let alone pvp. It becomes quite bad. You either must be in a party, or beg for buffs in town(always fun, not!), or buy milk just to complete a daily quest solo. This way all the adena you would have made off the daily goes to milk, yay fun!
Or you could try and get a mentor, but on Chronos right now, there are 30 people in each town shouting "LF MENTOR"! so unless you have a good friend or clan mate, thats not likely happening either, until many more players awaken.
But I love daggers, and everyone keeps telling me hang in there, that it'll be worth it come 85. I hope so, cause that stone of Destiny in my WH is looking quite nice. (Do those still even work?) Nah I like daggers too much, no matter how bad 76-85, might be. yes hide will be nice at 81, and focus death is good but still feel really gimped solo pve at 78.
Just wait till your 76 and can't get newbie buffs anymore, then you can't even solo pve daily's, let alone pvp. It becomes quite bad.
well from my understanding of what ive read up about Lineage 2 now.you basically want to pvp when you hit max level because of the way the pk/rep system is now
but i dont know,the only problem i have now is the lvling zones are clogged with nukers and it sucks getting ksed all day when your trying to level.unless thats just a problem daggers have,because thats all ive lvl'd since i heard Lineage 2 retail went free to play
Just wait till your 76 and can't get newbie buffs anymore, then you can't even solo pve daily's, let alone pvp. It becomes quite bad. You either must be in a party, or beg for buffs in town(always fun, not!), or buy milk just to complete a daily quest solo. This way all the adena you would have made off the daily goes to milk, yay fun!
Or you could try and get a mentor, but on Chronos right now, there are 30 people in each town shouting "LF MENTOR"! so unless you have a good friend or clan mate, thats not likely happening either, until many more players awaken.
But I love daggers, and everyone keeps telling me hang in there, that it'll be worth it come 85. I hope so, cause that stone of Destiny in my WH is looking quite nice. (Do those still even work?) Nah I like daggers too much, no matter how bad 76-85, might be. yes hide will be nice at 81, and focus death is good but still feel really gimped solo pve at 78.
Humans needs some love !!! :D
Hopefully in the next expansion there will be something for us to make us shine again. I dont like orcish tank being better than human one for example. Cuz humans have 2 tanks before awakening ... orcs has 0 ... its not logical >.<
The stupid lion of siegel knights is weaker than the phoenix bird of the paladin even though its summon from awakening :D and it does lower your stats whereas paladin one doesn't
And what's with the racial skills ... dark elf get "no target for 10 secs" skill when none of their classes have target cancel skills except AW's Trick ... if that's the case ... what about TH's Mirrage + trick + switch O_O
Some really smart guys were figuring the new classes and new stats i believe :D "old school" players :D