Think about it:
You run those servers and want to make money. You informed yourself that any protection against botting wont work. There will always be somone who finds a way to disable it.
The game is f2p, you want to maximize the money. What you do?
Paying somone to get rid off the bots? 2 expensive in the long run
Updating the protection? 2 expensive in the long run
There are some solutions to increase the income:
a. you let the bots go wild, since many of them buy runes (profit)
b. you let them trade adena (will keep game alive and so the competitive no-life nerds, profit)
c. you make a agreement with adena sellers, that you will git a %of that real cash trade. (profit)
d. Many are here since there are no real L2 God private servers yet. Just wait till they are out.
NCsoft is doing nothing wrong. Be realistic kids. You cant stop Bots, you cant stop Adena sellers. To do that, you have to shut down the server.
Its called Business. A Business modell that works in the long run.
You will hate it
i hate it already
but..think about. A 8y old game, how long will it stay at this population?
2 more months? 5 more months? New games are coming out 2012. The real big ones.
NCSoft was banning bots there for a while. A more likely scenario is that NCSoft is presently understaffed. Prior to the GoD update I believe they cut a number of jobs within the company. There was an explosion of players when the game went f2p, which only makes the problem worse.
I'm not exactly a fan of the company, and there may be benefit in allowing bots for them, but the whole _insert_game_company_here_ is evil meme shouldn't be your first reaction to a problem. All of your assertions are conspiracy theory level ideas with absolutely no proof to back them up.
The majority of gamers arent as hardcore as some here. The most players wont even make it to lvl 80.
IF they would bann every bot, it wont solve the problem, that players wont make it over lvl 80.
As result, population declines. To ensure that wont happen, they let them pass and hope some of them may buy runes.
If 1 of 100 botters buy a rune. Its still better then 0.
Dont expect the majority buying runes, so every customer (bot or not) is good profit for them.
They are still in the observing phase. I bet the operators are talking with each other, sharing experience.
If bots were so bad for the game. China, ru and all others would have stopped them long ago!$
edit: Bots keep the game alive! If there would be no bots, many would stopped playing long before. Do you know how long in real time hours you need from 85-99? I bet its over a freaking month hardcore grinding 24/7. And thats 680h if you just only grind (no chat, no buy things in town, nothing ells)
For years the problem was not the bots... I dunno why people focus that much on the leveling part of the botting what screwed the game and will still screw it... it's the PvP with spamming CP program and Radar auto target etc
Everybody can lvl... but this is a PvP game and when you siege or mass PvP against Spam CP Radar program it's just ******ed and makes you wonder while you play this game
I don't see anything happening to deal with the bot issue,program users or spam bots in towns. I think a major factor in accounts being stripped are people going to those adena sites either to buy or curiosity. I think things will continue to worsen between now and let's say 5 months. Everyday I see another spammer site in town,sometimes there's 4 or more shouting their advertisements in every chat channel. I can't stand being in town I usually afk in the clanhall.
Think about it:
You run those servers and want to make money. You informed yourself that any protection against botting wont work. There will always be somone who finds a way to disable it.
The game is f2p, you want to maximize the money. What you do?
Paying somone to get rid off the bots? 2 expensive in the long run
Updating the protection? 2 expensive in the long run
There are some solutions to increase the income:
a. you let the bots go wild, since many of them buy runes (profit)
b. you let them trade adena (will keep game alive and so the competitive no-life nerds, profit)
c. you make a agreement with adena sellers, that you will git a %of that real cash trade. (profit)
d. Many are here since there are no real L2 God private servers yet. Just wait till they are out.
NCsoft is doing nothing wrong. Be realistic kids. You cant stop Bots, you cant stop Adena sellers. To do that, you have to shut down the server.
Its called Business. A Business modell that works in the long run.
You will hate it
i hate it already
but..think about. A 8y old game, how long will it stay at this population?
2 more months? 5 more months? New games are coming out 2012. The real big ones.
I have all files to required to open my own Goddess of Destruction Server but I have no time.
For years the problem was not the bots... I dunno why people focus that much on the leveling part of the botting what screwed the game and will still screw it... it's the PvP with spamming CP program and Radar auto target etc
Everybody can lvl... but this is a PvP game and when you siege or mass PvP against Spam CP Radar program it's just ******ed and makes you wonder while you play this game
+++++ on that who cares for the spammers in town who cares if woa is packed with bots the game is epic pvp and if you can't kill ur enemy unless he use the 2k cp pots he got on or when you die from 150 nukes, arrows us soon you target a healer yeah that's what peoples get sick and quit.
The majority of gamers arent as hardcore as some here. The most players wont even make it to lvl 80.
IF they would bann every bot, it wont solve the problem, that players wont make it over lvl 80.
As result, population declines. To ensure that wont happen, they let them pass and hope some of them may buy runes.
If 1 of 100 botters buy a rune. Its still better then 0.
Dont expect the majority buying runes, so every customer (bot or not) is good profit for them.
They are still in the observing phase. I bet the operators are talking with each other, sharing experience.
If bots were so bad for the game. China, ru and all others would have stopped them long ago!$
edit: Bots keep the game alive! If there would be no bots, many would stopped playing long before. Do you know how long in real time hours you need from 85-99? I bet its over a freaking month hardcore grinding 24/7. And thats 680h if you just only grind (no chat, no buy things in town, nothing ells)
Why would I buy runes if I can just go afk while my bot does all the job for me? You're assuming botters, which are cheaters (they like to take the unconventional and unfair way) will be fair to NCSoft and buy their useless items... Really? I've yet to meet a botter who buyed anything from the store, and I know quite a few.
Better make threads showing players that buying packs from the store gives more adena than buyin from bots, the package of 3200 Ncoin aprox 40 USD gives you over 100m wanna see how?
5kk (cheap) BSSS 10 packs (50m already) (high would be 60kk-70kk around)
7kk (cheap) BSSR 3 packs (21m) (high would be 24kk-27kk)
1.5kk (Cheap) BSSS 10 packs (15m) (high would be 20kk)
3.5kk (Cheap) BSSR 3 packs (10.5m) (high would be 12-15kk)
96m already, without counting the rest of the items that will help you, even if theyre not tradeable, 40 USD for 96m (116-132 high) is a lot better against the 60 USD for 105m that they keep shouting in town. wanna complete the math for the 4000 Ncoin with 2 small packages? for the 50 USD or you can get runes for some hours as well
FFS ppl now never got math classes or what? i guess that's why bots can sell adena, or resellers can do the same buying packs. And the only ones loosing are the ***** that buy from resellers
Everybody can lvl... but this is a PvP game and when you siege or mass PvP against Spam CP Radar program it's just ******ed and makes you wonder while you play this game
I dont mind th bots but, WIAT WHAT? Is that true? Cause im new to this game and if this is a fact you bet i wont even make it to 80lvl. I watched some sieges videos and hooked up here when they told me it's f2p. I have no great expectation from f2p mmo (not talking about LEague of Legeds which is MOBA and it is absolute win). If this is true just tell me to deinstall the client and dont waste my time. I better find money for The Old Republic if i want to play with crappy pvp rules like "Your bases are here, enemies are over here. And over there is an arena for pvp". But scripts that make your pvp clan to fight itself without you actually play it's redicilous
I dont mind th bots but, WIAT WHAT? Is that true? Cause im new to this game and if this is a fact you bet i wont even make it to 80lvl. I watched some sieges videos and hooked up here when they told me it's f2p. I have no great expectation from f2p mmo (not talking about LEague of Legeds which is MOBA and it is absolute win). If this is true just tell me to deinstall the client and dont waste my time. I better find money for The Old Republic if i want to play with crappy pvp rules like "Your bases are here, enemies are over here. And over there is an arena for pvp". But scripts that make your pvp clan to fight itself without you actually play it's redicilous
Welcome to Lineage 2!
That's one reason why there are ppl prefer good private server over off server. Off server is the main target of all bot/cheat programm. And obviously because of limited resources NCWest does not regard preventing bot/cheat as their priority task or worth it at all.
Welcome to Lineage 2!
That's one reason why there are ppl prefer good private server over off server. Off server is the main target of all bot/cheat programm. And obviously because of limited resources NCWest does not regard preventing bot/cheat as their priority task or worth it at all.
Well i better find another mmo game then. Program that makes your siege pvp with auto target... just lol. Why not having a program that clicks your f1,f2 also...
Well seriously I don't care about bots... But I do get annoyed by bot Parties! Or Bot parades in TI who take all the spots from the Servers... If someone has 1 or 2 bots running is ok if you ask me... I mean ppl have a life... But if someone runs 100 bots :eek:
Some make a living of selling accounts and adena.
I saw in a german/english forum mass selling accounts for 120-200 Dollars for lvl 85 accounts. And 1mil adena for 0.25 dollar. And Goldsellers seem to buy them like crazy. Every post had at least a chinese email replied.
Some make a living of selling accounts and adena.
I saw in a german/english forum mass selling accounts for 120-200 Dollars for lvl 85 accounts. And 1mil adena for 0.25 dollar. And Goldsellers seem to buy them like crazy. Every post had at least a chinese email replied.
200 dollars? loool thats too much bro. thats 4-5 xbox games
Welcome to Lineage 2!
That's one reason why there are ppl prefer good private server over off server. Off server is the main target of all bot/cheat programm. And obviously because of limited resources NCWest does not regard preventing bot/cheat as their priority task or worth it at all.
Private servers..........
0 class balance
GM friends/donators rule server
One day server close and you loosing all
Enjoy your private servers
Allot friends I was watching yeah private servers r pointless.and when you hearpeoples say I don't play official I can't afford it and then they donate on private to get the epics etc etc and a month later losing all is a bit sad.
makiiThink about it:
You run those servers and want to make money. ...
There are some solutions to increase the income:
a. you let the bots go wild, since many of them buy runes (profit)
b. you let them trade adena (will keep game alive and so the competitive no-life nerds, profit)
c. you make a agreement with adena sellers, that you will git a %of that real cash trade. (profit)
d. Many are here since there are no real L2 God private servers yet. Just wait till they are out.
NCsoft is doing nothing wrong. Be realistic kids. You cant stop Bots, you cant stop Adena sellers. To do that, you have to shut down the server.
Its called Business. A Business modell that works in the long run.
....
so you say that NCSoft has a pact with adena sellers or am I wrong???
makiiThink about it:
You run those servers and want to make money. ...
There are some solutions to increase the income:
a. you let the bots go wild, since many of them buy runes (profit)
b. you let them trade adena (will keep game alive and so the competitive no-life nerds, profit)
c. you make a agreement with adena sellers, that you will git a %of that real cash trade. (profit)
d. Many are here since there are no real L2 God private servers yet. Just wait till they are out.
NCsoft is doing nothing wrong. Be realistic kids. You cant stop Bots, you cant stop Adena sellers. To do that, you have to shut down the server.
Its called Business. A Business modell that works in the long run.
....
so you say that NCSoft has a pact with adena sellers or am I wrong???
Why not?
not nessecary a deal, but allowing them seeling adena means ncsoft found a way to profit from that.
IF those high lvl nerds want to be the best , no matter what, they will buy adea to afford the items.
Im pretty sure that every customer who spend over 400 nccash is treated like a king. It doesnt matter if they bot.
This game was made to make money to make the founders rich. It doesnt matter now HOW, as long as money is coming in.
I would do the same.
Comunity is one thing, but listening to them, you fast find out, that they dont know what the **** theyr talking or want. Real life business doest work that way. You cant let *dreamers" tell you how to maintain a business modell that works for the long run.
NCsoft is doing it correct. Everything is right. They wanted money, they got the money.
As long as there are new updates coming, the game wont die.
Sure the population will drasticly decrease in a few months and noone will mention L2 again, till new update is out. And that circle will continue till a new game is out or a huge bug like "dupe" occurs and serverwealth is destroyed.
I've seen a massive decrease in bots in most areas recently on Chronos.
this decrease is since when. cause from about 5 days i see all the same bots in the following zones:
Beast Garden - 2 bots, Dance without shots and a buffe
Hot Springs - whole bot party
Argos - 2 bots
they are there 24/7. I saw them when i go make daily quests
this decrease is since when. cause from about 5 days i see all the same bots in the following zones:
Beast Garden - 2 bots, Dance without shots and a buffe
Hot Springs - whole bot party
Argos - 2 bots
they are there 24/7. I saw them when i go make daily questsOutside of goddard you could see the same fourtysomething bots running around and they are all gone. They haven't moved on to the next area and they haven't been seen since. The bots I was tracking at VOS are gone too even though they weren't high enough to move on. The swamp of screams bot trains are also gone.
Sure there's a couple stray bots running around those areas but it's NOTHING like it was. Especially the area outside of goddard which was absolutely swarmed with two handed bots with buffalo pets..
Outside of goddard you could see the same fourtysomething bots running around and they are all gone. They haven't moved on to the next area and they haven't been seen since. The bots I was tracking at VOS are gone too even though they weren't high enough to move on. The swamp of screams bot trains are also gone.
Sure there's a couple stray bots running around those areas but it's NOTHING like it was. Especially the area outside of goddard which was absolutely swarmed with two handed bots with buffalo pets..
Well since i fail to log in to chronos due the traffic i cant see this bots gone. Stil, do u got League of Legends account? :D
Well since i fail to log in to chronos due the traffic i cant see this bots gone. Stil, do u got League of Legends account? :DYeah I've been trying to log in for the last 3 hours and I haven't gotten in once. The observations I made started before the event and probably holds true now since the botters are probably botting talking island with their level 1s right now...
I've given up on logging in on my main computer and now I'm just making random attempts on my second computer to see if it ever clears up..
Welcome to Lineage 2!
That's one reason why there are ppl prefer good private server over off server. Off server is the main target of all bot/cheat programm. And obviously because of limited resources NCWest does not regard preventing bot/cheat as their priority task or worth it at all.
In regards to PvP cheaters, we know there is a difference between regular farm bots and those who use PvP cheat programs. These users have not seen as much of an impact as the farm bots have, however, this is actually a big topic of discussion for us right now. I won't be able to share any details, but please know that it is something we are beginning to address. I would like you to think of the results we saw when we took a hard approach to the farm bots and please know that we hope to have the same results relating to PvP cheaters.
On that note, I want to remind everyone that it IS a violation of our user agreement to use these types of programs and you can and will be banned for these actions.
We do have a current policy against PvP cheaters and yes, we will be putting forth the same effort towards PvP cheaters as we did the farmers.
Second question, yes, we'll be doing advertising and press with Goddess of Destruction.
-Moxie
These posts by the Producer of L2 in NA were made about 7-8 months ago.
Not only has there been almost no progress on banning PvP cheaters since then (especially not to the same degree as the mass farmer bans years ago that Moxie referred to as their goal in her post), but the farmers have returned in spades along with the flood of population that has come from the servers going F2P.
What this sort of proves is that it wasn't really any kind of special effort or action on NCSoft's part that made the farmers leave the first time around - it's just that the server populations had dwindled so much by the time they actually did do something about the farmer problem that the farmers didn't really see the point in coming back as they had before after the usual farmer ban waves, as there weren't enough people left to which they could sell their goods.
I.e., now that the population has returned, guess what? Farmers are back!
Or is this the treatment for the PvP cheater problem that Moxie was talking about? That they'll continue doing nothing about a problem (farmers) until the server population gets fed up enough with NCSoft's inaction that they leave, and then they'll do a ban wave and claim that they've fixed the problem once and for all, only for the problem to return later when the server population recovers?
If that's the case, then according to the time table and with NCSoft still currently inactive on the PvP cheater problem, that puts us on track for PvP cheating to not be a problem in another 4-5 years after a few new mass exoduses of fed-up players!
I.e., now that the population has returned, guess what? Farmers are back!
I wish you'd get the terminology right. You don't mean farmers you mean botters. I am legit and I "farm" quest items,but the next guy is doing it with a program so he's a "botter"
I wish you'd get the terminology right. You don't mean farmers you mean botters. I am legit and I "farm" quest items,but the next guy is doing it with a program so he's a "botter"
And I wish you'd learn how to read context.
"Botters" actually isn't even entirely accurate, as that term doesn't necessarily describe those who "play" the game for RMT purposes - one could "play" the game for RMT purposes without the use of bot programs.
If anything, as "farmers" is universally known in the MMO space to refer to those who "play" games to reap real-life rewards through RMT, the use of "farmers" to describe these types of "players" is as correct as using "farmers" to describe farming for mats to craft something for "legal" use.
In short, don't try to foist your preconceptions of terms onto others, especially when they're so narrow-minded and wrong.
"Botters" actually isn't even entirely accurate, as that term doesn't necessarily describe those who "play" the game for RMT purposes - one could "play" the game for RMT purposes without the use of bot programs.
If anything, as "farmers" is universally known in the MMO space to refer to those who "play" games to reap real-life rewards through RMT, the use of "farmers" to describe these types of "players" is as correct as using "farmers" to describe farming for mats to craft something for "legal" use.
In short, don't try to foist your preconceptions of terms onto others, especially when they're so narrow-minded and wrong.
No it's not wrong,just that your poor choice of words to describe players in the game is wrong. I don't see a bot as a farmer, they aren't farming adena,they "bot" it. No legit human player could ever make enough adena to sell and make profits. A bot never sleeps,eats,works,bios or waits for a party.
A legit player who "farms" has always been in p2p and f2p it's not new nor has it ever gone away. Multi boxing is one thing,but 3rd party boxing is an entirely different category.
Don't try to make yourself sound better with edgy posts claiming to know all because you just can't stand being told differently or not agreed with.
No it's not wrong,just that your poor choice of words to describe players in the game is wrong. I don't see a bot as a farmer, they aren't farming adena,they "bot" it. No legit human player could ever make enough adena to sell and make profits. A bot never sleeps,eats,works,bios or waits for a party.
So many things wrong with this quote....
How did the old school farmers do it, then? That's right - by using rotating crews of human players to maintain round-the-clock activity.
While bot use was eventually adopted, this was done purely out of efficiency reasons (less people in the operation = more profit). Does using bot programs make it easier? Sure. But, is it required? No. You just need cheap-enough labor, which there's plenty of these days.
Furthermore, you're also assuming that farmers make real-world money solely off the sale of adena. Ever heard of item sales? Do you have any idea how much a +16 Drac Bow once sold for back in Interlude? Do you have any idea for how much the new boss jewelry, once players start farming them and (ultimately) cash out, will likely sell?
The problem is that you don't realize that players - the ones you would consider "real" players who manually control their own characters and are in "real" clans, can engage in RMT as well. It's not just the random farmer train in FoG.
A legit player who "farms" has always been in p2p and f2p it's not new nor has it ever gone away. Multi boxing is one thing,but 3rd party boxing is an entirely different category.
Don't try to make yourself sound better with edgy posts claiming to know all because you just can't stand being told differently or not agreed with.
lol.
I never said that "farmer" can't be used to describe someone farming legitimately. I use the term to describe "farming for mats" all the time myself! I even explained it a couple times in separate threads, respectively:
If anything, as "farmers" is universally known in the MMO space to refer to those who "play" games to reap real-life rewards through RMT, the use of "farmers" to describe these types of "players" is as correct as using "farmers" to describe farming for mats to craft something for "legal" use.
However, you are the one who's trying to tell me that "farmer" can't be used to describe those who "play" the game in order to engage in RMT. You are the one who initially took issue with the way that I used the word "farmer." You are the one who deems "botting" to be necessary to the act of RMT "farming." Twice, in separate threads! :D With your extremely spotty logic pointed out, as well!
Don't take issue with the way that I use "farmer" if you don't want me defending my position. If you "can't stand being told differently or not agreed with," don't try to push your definition of what's right (despite all logical considerations being completely against your position) onto others.
ROFL the thread was about botting and look at these 2 guys fighting about gamers terminology xD
Yeah, it was about farmers. The RMT kind. :D
But, it's not like NCSoft will do something about them really. Just step in and claim responsibility/victory once they've all decided to leave on their own again. :D
The majority of gamers arent as hardcore as some here. The most players wont even make it to lvl 80.
IF they would bann every bot, it wont solve the problem, that players wont make it over lvl 80.
As result, population declines. To ensure that wont happen, they let them pass and hope some of them may buy runes.
If 1 of 100 botters buy a rune. Its still better then 0.
Dont expect the majority buying runes, so every customer (bot or not) is good profit for them.
They are still in the observing phase. I bet the operators are talking with each other, sharing experience.
If bots were so bad for the game. China, ru and all others would have stopped them long ago!$
edit: Bots keep the game alive! If there would be no bots, many would stopped playing long before. Do you know how long in real time hours you need from 85-99? I bet its over a freaking month hardcore grinding 24/7. And thats 680h if you just only grind (no chat, no buy things in town, nothing ells)
to be honest when I think hard core I'm not thinking of killing mobs over and over when I think of hard core I think of organized group PVP. jumping through 99 lvls of grinding hoops is contradictive to a pvp focused game imo.
Report a bot and win prices ! the end of bots for sure !
;)
Nah. Would just lead to NCSoft shutting down the in-game petitioning system for even more hours each day, as they'd get inundated with even more petitions than they're currently dealing with.
And it still likely wouldn't result in more bans lol.
Nah. Would just lead to NCSoft shutting down the in-game petitioning system for even more hours each day, as they'd get inundated with even more petitions than they're currently dealing with.
And it still likely wouldn't result in more bans lol.
Well work for privi should work here too.
One way to do.
- Section bot report at forum:
- Report with proof video most likely tool you can use the game come with a excellent free screen capture.
- Only you can see your post and administrator of that section, no spam !
- A admin web page tool, dont even need to log in game to ban some acc, if the administrator concludes is enough proof. (for administrators)
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the control of the U.S. servers go to a company in Russia? Could that explain the lack of bot ban's? Just a thought. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Russia or Russians, so don't take it there.
- Section bot report at forum:
- Report with proof video most likely tool you can use the game come with a excellent free screen capture.
- Only you can see your post and administrator of that section, no spam !
- A admin web page tool, dont even need to log in game to ban some acc, if the administrator concludes is enough proof. (for administrators)
Done ! easy
I suggest a event but i will do for free :D
If works for retail, works for private but not vice versa.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the control of the U.S. servers go to a company in Russia? Could that explain the lack of bot ban's? Just a thought. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Russia or Russians, so don't take it there.
What? NCsoft is an American company, Innova (that handles new European servers, but NOT Naia) is Russian.
The other day I noticed a bot picking up my loot. I created a gold trail to a treasure chest. He followed the gold trail like a good bot and began attacking the treasure chest. I reported him, and began waiting. I continued grinding in the area while checking on my bot friend regularly. For three hours he continued attacking that chest. No GM ever showed up, and the chest disappeared. I gave up and moved on at that point. The bot was just standing there because no mobs were nearby. I came back a few hours later and he was attacking a new chest that had spawned...
The next day I spotted the bot in my new hunting grounds. He was still a bot and just as obvious as before. So I made a gold trail to a raid boss and watched him die. Moral of the story: Don't count on NCSoft to actually investigate bot reports.
Why would I buy runes if I can just go afk while my bot does all the job for me? You're assuming botters, which are cheaters (they like to take the unconventional and unfair way) will be fair to NCSoft and buy their useless items... Really? I've yet to meet a botter who buyed anything from the store, and I know quite a few.
BUYED anything?
Grammar fail. But anyway, the adena selling companies ARE buying crap from the NCstore....dont be ignorant.
Think about it:
You run those servers and want to make money. You informed yourself that any protection against botting wont work. There will always be somone who finds a way to disable it.
The game is f2p, you want to maximize the money. What you do?
Paying somone to get rid off the bots? 2 expensive in the long run
Updating the protection? 2 expensive in the long run
There are some solutions to increase the income:
a. you let the bots go wild, since many of them buy runes (profit)
b. you let them trade adena (will keep game alive and so the competitive no-life nerds, profit)
c. you make a agreement with adena sellers, that you will git a %of that real cash trade. (profit)
d. Many are here since there are no real L2 God private servers yet. Just wait till they are out.
NCsoft is doing nothing wrong. Be realistic kids. You cant stop Bots, you cant stop Adena sellers. To do that, you have to shut down the server.
Its called Business. A Business modell that works in the long run.
You will hate it
i hate it already
but..think about. A 8y old game, how long will it stay at this population?
2 more months? 5 more months? New games are coming out 2012. The real big ones.
If you have proof, contact NCsoft Korea, they will deal with NCsoft West.