Seems to me that the new destiny pack availability of destruction weapon scrolls has basically broken the game as we know it. Some of you might say “Ebayers could have just done this before”.. which is in some sense true, but when you think about it a little more you will realize that it was at least limited to the number of farmable items via players or computerized play which made the items limited.. now with the new system the only limit to the number of destruction weapon scrolls in game is the dollars in the pockets of the lienage2 players.. which can be umptine thousands for some players. It seems to me that going for hero will now be based on boss jewel status, abilities, and being able to spend something like five thousand USD on making a +16 weapon. (100 destiny packs).
Lineage2 as we know it is officially over for the record if they keep this kind of stuff available to the public. So much for being selective NC. You just broke it.
Well first off:
1. The Weapon of Destruction scrolls are only for R-grade, not R-95 or R-99.
2. It costs $40 worth of NCoin to buy the Destiny Pack
3. This bonus of the scrolls is not permanent, it is just a temporary event much like the last bonus items were.
4. I'm fairly confident that a +0 R99 Celestial Weapon beats a +50 R-grade weapon, considering the grind.
3. This bonus of the scrolls is not permanent, it is just a temporary event much like the last bonus items were.
This is not true from what I can tell. Have you purchased one yet? Can anybody else verify this?
The other points are really just helping my case. Its a huge money grab, and those who pay in now will have the hero edge for leveling fast. This is a game inbalancer, having hero at the moment means faster xp.. faster xp means higehr levels clearly and the first into the higher tear areas.. which means you make more money and have other edges as well as a PVP edge for the time being which will allow you to hold the spot. The game is no longer about skill to hold these spots its about who has 5 grand here and now.. thats who wins.. game is easy when you hit for 20k and everyone around you doesnt even have 2k pdef when your rockin 16k patk or higher probably.
Oh shoot, did I write that? I meant that the bonus of getting a scroll by purchasing the destiny pack is not permanent, meaning you won't be able to buy these forever (And unless you have like, $1000 on hand right now, no one can really OE to an extreme).
Honestly though, the game always favored those with money. Just think about it:
Those that had money before F2P have been playing a long time, and therefore got the advantage of being here long enough to be higher than all the newcomers.
Those with money can purchase XP Runes, which helps them level faster as well.
Those with money can buy high end computers and therefore multi-box, making leveling easier for them.
Those with money can (illegally) adena trade, giving them 100s of millions of Adena, which lets them get the top gear.
Those with money could even just buy an account that someone else powerleveled with using some bots (also illegal).
Well first off:
1. The Weapon of Destruction scrolls are only for R-grade, not R-95 or R-99.
2. It costs $40 worth of NCoin to buy the Destiny Pack
3. This bonus of the scrolls is not permanent, it is just a temporary event much like the last bonus items were.
4. I'm fairly confident that a +0 R99 Celestial Weapon beats a +50 R-grade weapon, considering the grind.
1. what? no it doesnt. there is no such thing as r95 and r99 enchant scrolls
2. stating the obvious is not a point of contention, try again
3. stating the obvious is not a point of contention, try again
4. And you would be wrong. You don't even understand how destruction scrolls work and you are making outlandish claims about item stats.
Xp runes are balanced because there cheep and u cant stack them, and the rich and poor can afford them.
Before this all was possible to buy weapons so powerful by ebaying and making them, yes.. but what im telling you is that it was limited to the number of items that was farmable on the server. IE you had to have a bot, or a human go out and farm them, and then purchas them, making them limited. It took time to get them into the econemy, and obviously it went to the highest bidder, even if you had thousands of dollars and you purchased the most rediculous stacks of adena from farmers or whever you were atleast limited to A) how much they farmed. B) How much was available for purchase, or C) how far your pocket book went.
Now your just limited to how far your pocket book went. There is no other limiters on the system which will mean those who want to compete in this game are going to have to put up hefty portions of money.. hardwork is not all you have to do now.. you have to work hard.. and PAY hard to win.. this is dumb..
BTW. im pretty sure bewr scrolls go on r95 and 99 stuff. :)
Another thing we should all be concerned about are the 100% hp and cp potions. They are like a dollar each. I wonder what their reuse is, good luck killing someone who buys his way to victory if they are spammable.
previous the game favoured those who had alot of time to play .. now they do some benefits to those who want to pay alot of rl-cash ... its yust some kind of a break even.
the last thing you find in a mmorg is a fair chance for everyone.
Seems to me that the new destiny pack availability of destruction weapon scrolls has basically broken the game as we know it. Some of you might say “Ebayers could have just done this before”.. which is in some sense true, but when you think about it a little more you will realize that it was at least limited to the number of farmable items via players or computerized play which made the items limited.. now with the new system the only limit to the number of destruction weapon scrolls in game is the dollars in the pockets of the lienage2 players.. which can be umptine thousands for some players. It seems to me that going for hero will now be based on boss jewel status, abilities, and being able to spend something like five thousand USD on making a +16 weapon. (100 destiny packs).
Lineage2 as we know it is officially over for the record if they keep this kind of stuff available to the public. So much for being selective NC. You just broke it.
Firstly hero has always been about epics and gear, 10% skill, or playing some un played class such as Phantom Summoner.
But yes I agree 100% This is a TERRIBLE, game killing item that means anyone with a big enough bank can have easy access to a +16 R/R99 weapon for just $800 (20 packs from +3>+16 as they include R enchant success stones also right?).
This might make NC $10,000 now, but will kill the game faster than anything else once +16 blessed R weapons with what, +12/+18 to p/m.atk per enchant start going around the ebayers. +16 blessed R would be 156 more m.atk than a +3, that's the difference between a SOM and a +3 Apocalypse caster.
Personally I'd like to see Bound epics sold, that'd not only make NC a TON of money (1000s would buy them), but also balance the game more at high end. Say $30/$40 for bound normal anth/valakas and less for the others, I'd buy em! Epics have broken the game since they were introduced, people can still farm blessed epics.
Firstly hero has always been about epics and gear, 10% skill, or playing some un played class such as Phantom Summoner.
But yes I agree 100% This is a TERRIBLE, game killing item that means anyone with a big enough bank can have easy access to a +16 R/R99 weapon for just $800 (20 packs from +3>+16 as they include R enchant success stones also right?).
This might make NC $10,000 now, but will kill the game faster than anything else once +16 blessed R weapons with what, +12/+18 to p/m.atk per enchant start going around the ebayers. +16 blessed R would be 156 more m.atk than a +3, that's the difference between a SOM and a +3 Apocalypse caster.
Personally I'd like to see Bound epics sold, that'd not only make NC a TON of money (1000s would buy them), but also balance the game more at high end. Say $30/$40 for bound normal anth/valakas and less for the others, I'd buy em! Epics have broken the game since they were introduced, people can still farm blessed epics.
dont hate the ps.. that thing was not easy to play considering how few buttons the thing had.. and many of those classes are high skill classes.. didnt matter how much gear you had, if you had no ability to hit those buttons in the correct order or understand the game mechanics you had no shot of winning because you would get hit by stuff like para every 22 seconds.. there was a lot of skill in knowing which armor set to wear, how to equip your gear quick enough.. lots of thought went into turning those toons into winning toons, those people who think there was no skill clearly didnt think about it enough to really realize just how much skill was actually there.
Every last one of the perma heros that chronos had at merge was a smart and skilled player. Not one of them got to where they where because they had all the epics or had gear so unfathomably strong that the competition just did not have a chance. (there were about 10->12 of them).
I agree with you on every point except the "just broke" part. They broke it when they laid off 2/3 of thier staff and then went free to play with the incompetenent staff members they retained. Now its rampent with bots, retarted and broken events, sell shops full of crap unless its some game changing item like the drestruction scrolls. Naw they broke this thing long before now.....
***waits for an infraction for pointing out your incompetence......
/agree with op
everything is all fun and games until a 3 clan +16 r99 ally with perma-super pots wars the top 10-15 other clans. k that's a lil excessive, but it's possible. which makes it broken. end game pvp will be strictly about what ppl want to spend, until the market on oe'd r99 comes down lol. If you don't think 50 or so ppl on a server with 7-10k population won't spend X amount of dollars to do so, you're delusional. NC will probably add even more items before it's said and done.
to those saying no big deal, 'i'm pve', or i'll never buy anything from shop. thats nice thx for stoppin by. go kill bunch more mobs untagged.
I agree with you on every point except the "just broke" part. They broke it when they laid off 2/3 of thier staff and then went free to play with the incompetenent staff members they retained. Now its rampent with bots, retarted and broken events, sell shops full of crap unless its some game changing item like the drestruction scrolls. Naw they broke this thing long before now.....
***waits for an infraction for pointing out your incompetence......
A little on the harsh side but yes retail was way better when it wasn't free to play.
I would not say that this is an imbalance to the game. Being overpowered comes at a price-- literally, as you both have to pay for the enchant scrolls and risk them failing. Therefore, it is working as designed. It is always possible, however, that developers will choose to change things, and a game's balance may shift, but there will still always be a visible balance.
dont hate the ps.. that thing was not easy to play considering how few buttons the thing had.. and many of those classes are high skill classes.. didnt matter how much gear you had, if you had no ability to hit those buttons in the correct order or understand the game mechanics you had no shot of winning because you would get hit by stuff like para every 22 seconds.. there was a lot of skill in knowing which armor set to wear, how to equip your gear quick enough.. lots of thought went into turning those toons into winning toons, those people who think there was no skill clearly didnt think about it enough to really realize just how much skill was actually there.
Every last one of the perma heros that chronos had at merge was a smart and skilled player. Not one of them got to where they where because they had all the epics or had gear so unfathomably strong that the competition just did not have a chance. (there were about 10->12 of them).
It does take intelligence and skill to know what gear to use and how to play, but it also takes a TON of adena/money to get the gear and skill enchants in the first place. All perma heroes have top gear that 90% of the server can't afford, all of them have skill OE's, multiple pvped ++ armors/weapons multiple epic sets and augments that cost a bomb. No matter how skilled and intelligent a player is they can't consistently beat players with better gear, it's simple.
As your argument goes, even a skilled player would struggle to beat a non-skilled player with enough RL cash for a +16 top weapon. Hence these items from the shop break the game.
P.S. Equipping gear isn't exactly rocket science... just need a macro and know who you're fighting/what skills are used.
3. This bonus of the scrolls is not permanent, it is just a temporary event much like the last bonus items were.
This is not true from what I can tell. Have you purchased one yet? Can anybody else verify this?
The other points are really just helping my case. Its a huge money grab, and those who pay in now will have the hero edge for leveling fast. This is a game inbalancer, having hero at the moment means faster xp.. faster xp means higehr levels clearly and the first into the higher tear areas.. which means you make more money and have other edges as well as a PVP edge for the time being which will allow you to hold the spot. The game is no longer about skill to hold these spots its about who has 5 grand here and now.. thats who wins.. game is easy when you hit for 20k and everyone around you doesnt even have 2k pdef when your rockin 16k patk or higher probably.
You mean have 5 grand as opposed to being able to play 20 hours a day like some people? It's no secret whoever could level up the fastest would get hero, get more adena cuz of holding the higher spots etc etc.
Now those people that can't play and be level 97 already can still have fun oe'ing and not get wrecked in oly by a char that's been playing 20/7.
I agree with you on every point except the "just broke" part. They broke it when they laid off 2/3 of thier staff and then went free to play with the incompetenent staff members they retained. Now its rampent with bots, retarted and broken events, sell shops full of crap unless its some game changing item like the drestruction scrolls. Naw they broke this thing long before now.....
***waits for an infraction for pointing out your incompetence......
A little on the harsh side but yes retail was way better when it wasn't free to play.
Well yea I agree too, but the point being made is ewr destruction scrolls can be purchased in 1 minute- legally.
Even if all the events are bot farmed, ppl buy 100b adena, yada yada usual cheating there still had to be a set amount i.e. blessed enchants on the server to get super op'd. It took time and the scrolls were pretty limited at first. The possibillity of someone having 20 bewr destruction scrolls today is there, before r99 is even around.
next they will add the ability to buy your hero slot. It will cost 10 thousand USD each month. That way they can make an addition 4/10ths of a million each month from people.. and it will come on a first come first server basis. Might also do it on a bidding system.. maybe just offer adena at 20 cents per million to...
You can get this scroll of destruction ingame without real money through opening Hero Treasure Chest from Aden Reconstruction System or Mentor Box from Mentoring System(with certain probability)
well heres what i have to say about the problem....IMO opinion the worst thing NC Soft ever did to this game was make it free to play...it brought out many ppl ( inluding their mother , sisters , aunts and uncles) and anyone you can think of. By not being selective when launching F2P ( ESPECIALLY ON THE CHRONOS SERVER WHICH IS WHERE MY 7 YEAR TOONS ARE) nc soft screwed up plain and simple. 1st off...they should have nvr allowed any new toons to be made on an alrdy over populated server ( chronos) knowing ppl that had accts would be coming back to game once F2P launched and they could have been the Mentees for the higher lvl characters. 2nd off, by allowing the new ppl to come on to the Chronos server it has lagged out the server so bad...the PPl that have PAID for past 7 years CANT log in and cant play with their clannies.....why ya say?....one word...STUPIDITY!. #3 the L2 store is NCSofts way of making money lost when going to F2P ( fair enuff id say they have to make money too) but there is one thing they prolly didnt consider...even tho it F2P now...there are still ppl unemployed who cannot simply spend their money at the Galleria ( how are these ppl suppose to get these items. This leaves the rich and powerful free reign over the server ( EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPURTUNITY rich or poor) #4 they didnt launch a PTS to work out any bugs like last updates...had they done this ...they wouldnt be spending their time now doing it and further inconviencing us. Yeah there are a few things they got right and ill give em that...but there are too many negatives and will nvr balance out. #5 why not implement a "Hero" status" for all lvls 20-30, 30-40 so on and so forth all the way up the scale and not just make Hero status for awakened toons so everyone can have same opportunty to brag to their freinds. I could go on and on about the mistakes NCSoft has made since launching F2P but im not going to cuz i simply dont have the time or prolly the room to write it all. What i will say is this...Use ure haeds b4 launching another update and for gods sake use a PTS b4 the launch, cuz i know of 1 clan that is tired of the BS who cant even log in to pay with their clannies after 7 years of PAID gameplay...Nuff Said
well heres what i have to say about the problem....IMO opinion the worst thing NC Soft ever did to this game was make it free to play...it brought out many ppl ( inluding their mother , sisters , aunts and uncles) and anyone you can think of. By not being selective when launching F2P ( ESPECIALLY ON THE CHRONOS SERVER WHICH IS WHERE MY 7 YEAR TOONS ARE) nc soft screwed up plain and simple. 1st off...they should have nvr allowed any new toons to be made on an alrdy over populated server ( chronos) knowing ppl that had accts would be coming back to game once F2P launched and they could have been the Mentees for the higher lvl characters. 2nd off, by allowing the new ppl to come on to the Chronos server it has lagged out the server so bad...the PPl that have PAID for past 7 years CANT log in and cant play with their clannies.....why ya say?....one word...STUPIDITY!. #3 the L2 store is NCSofts way of making money lost when going to F2P ( fair enuff id say they have to make money too) but there is one thing they prolly didnt consider...even tho it F2P now...there are still ppl unemployed who cannot simply spend their money at the Galleria ( how are these ppl suppose to get these items. This leaves the rich and powerful free reign over the server ( EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPURTUNITY rich or poor) #4 they didnt launch a PTS to work out any bugs like last updates...had they done this ...they wouldnt be spending their time now doing it and further inconviencing us. Yeah there are a few things they got right and ill give em that...but there are too many negatives and will nvr balance out. #5 why not implement a "Hero" status" for all lvls 20-30, 30-40 so on and so forth all the way up the scale and not just make Hero status for awakened toons so everyone can have same opportunty to brag to their freinds. I could go on and on about the mistakes NCSoft has made since launching F2P but im not going to cuz i simply dont have the time or prolly the room to write it all. What i will say is this...Use ure haeds b4 launching another update and for gods sake use a PTS b4 the launch, cuz i know of 1 clan that is tired of the BS who cant even log in to pay with their clannies after 7 years of PAID gameplay...Nuff Said
You got it all wrong. You paid for the game for seven years, okay, I bet you didn't have any problems logging in during those years.
Now things have changed, you don't pay anymore, and you aren't any more important because you paid the last seven years.
All have these problems. So your point is invalid.
Please come up with something useful or stop whining around.
Firstly hero has always been about epics and gear, 10% skill, or playing some un played class such as Phantom Summoner.
But yes I agree 100% This is a TERRIBLE, game killing item that means anyone with a big enough bank can have easy access to a +16 R/R99 weapon for just $800 (20 packs from +3>+16 as they include R enchant success stones also right?).
Things to note . Stones to increase success rate work only from +3-+9 and Destruction EW work only up to +15 ( +6 for Destruction EA ) .And realistically you should need less than 20 packs.
Another thing we should all be concerned about are the 100% hp and cp potions. They are like a dollar each. I wonder what their reuse is, good luck killing someone who buys his way to victory if they are spammable.
If you read the description, it says 5 minute re-use.
Things to note . Stones to increase success rate work only from +3-+9 and Destruction EW work only up to +15 ( +6 for Destruction EA ) .And realistically you should need less than 20 packs.
It's actually 20 (12*1.6, 40% success) for a mage weapon and 15 (12*1.2) for fighter to go +15 on average.
Considering the value increase on OE weapons not only is this one of the biggest game breakers ever, it's THE BIGGEST RMT giver also.
Edit: oops stones only work to +9, so will be 0.6 more boxes each @6*0.1.
It's actually 20 (12*1.6, 40% success) for a mage weapon and 15 (12*1.2) for fighter to go +15 on average.
Considering the value increase on OE weapons not only is this one of the biggest game breakers ever, it's THE BIGGEST RMT giver also.
Edit: oops stones only work to +9, so will be 0.6 more boxes each @6*0.1.
I said less than 20 for the 2 following reasons ,
a) you can always use a normal/blessed enchant with the stone up to +6-+8 and just Oe from there with DEWR .
b)If you dont try to do the enchants all at once ( yes they say each try has a set success rate but all together they follow a binomial distribution so they are not really independent) , your chances should be a lot better than enchanting in a row .
So , all in all , I think I ll only use like 12-13 for myself in the end.
It's actually 20 (12*1.6, 40% success) for a mage weapon and 15 (12*1.2) for fighter to go +15 on average.
Considering the value increase on OE weapons not only is this one of the biggest game breakers ever, it's THE BIGGEST RMT giver also.
Edit: oops stones only work to +9, so will be 0.6 more boxes each @6*0.1.
Oh I think NCSoft has a secondary line of business in completely ignoring any laws of probability, as evidenced by my ex Cardi failing to enchant holy weapon (a first class skill) at 97% success @ lvl 86 3 times in a row in the relicary just before she awakened
Oh I think NCSoft has a secondary line of business in completely ignoring any laws of probability, as evidenced by my ex Cardi failing to enchant holy weapon (a first class skill) at 97% success @ lvl 86 3 times in a row in the relicary just before she awakened
According to the binomial that enchant chances follow for skill enchanting , that should only happen with a 0.0027% chance assuming noone else enchanted any skills in the meanwhile , and without taking into account all previous enchantments that went on.
which is precisely why I said NCSoft's secondary business is in ignoring any rational interpretation of the word probability.
Well there are more factors than a simple 3-trial experiment as I took your enchanting , in order to get the exact % which would in a large-scale experiment as L2 enchant deviate from what I wrote . Account that enchanting is not the major part of ths game , and therefore , they can therefore do away with just a pseudo-random number generator which as a sollution costs a lot cheaper in resources and you have the end result. Its not like they do something on purpose . ;)
theres already world wide record of purchasing nccoins on naia :D one dude purchased like 120000 ncosft coins and ;_; that he cant purchase more rofl :D
its over like 1500 euro ?!
and dewr safe to +15 ;|
theres already world wide record of purchasing nccoins on naia :D one dude purchased like 120000 ncosft coins and ;_; that he cant purchase more rofl :D
its over like 1500 euro ?!
and dewr safe to +15 ;|
If someone has nothing better to spend their money on but NCoin, that's sad.
Sure, they could probably PK me in a second. But at least I'm not a no-life who spends a bunch of money on a free game just to get an edge.
(Note that 120000 NCoin=a bit under 40 destiny packs. So all he could do would be +15 on 2 weapons or so and have a bunch of Vit pots and SS. Whoop de doo).
If someone has nothing better to spend their money on but NCoin, that's sad.
Sure, they could probably PK me in a second. But at least I'm not a no-life who spends a bunch of money on a free game just to get an edge.
(Note that 120000 NCoin=a bit under 40 destiny packs. So all he could do would be +15 on 2 weapons or so and have a bunch of Vit pots and SS. Whoop de doo).
note that destruction ewr == bewr but with option that item dont go to +0 if fail :] and seems he fail a lot since hes buying bewr ig for 250kk :D unfortunately i cannot write more here beacause i will break forum rules >.> but go figure from where hes taking adena ;)