Hey everyone. The anti bot police is born on Naia ! And it's something which seems to be worthful, so we have to extend on every server, in every places.
Our first area was SV on Naia, chasing bots. I propose that everyone who has the time / enjoy make the bot police.
The bot police is player doing GM's job, because they seems to not be able to do it.
First, you present yourself to the presumed bot as the Anti bot Police. Then, you ask the personn if he's a bot. If answer, next target. If no answer, some healer heal the mob, while a fighter or so lower the HP of the target until the bot die.
Then your job is done, you can go to the next bot ! :)
Sorry for the bad english, it's not my native language.
If you have any question, or want us to come with us, pm Kehlian or Missou IG
We encounter some of them, awakened char... That's why we are in groups, we killed them :D Only 2 awakened were able to kill us, and they were together.
And the encounter forces are the reason why we have to act... GM's don't do their job, so let's grow some balls and do it !
what needs to be done, is bring back, EverRed the perma red clan, from C1-C3 days on the original bartz, get some awakened alt toons with non-droppable gear, and mysterious soulshot.
I'd like to see bots deal with a party of 85+ perma-red in R grade armor/weapon, with buffs, heals, and lots of damage.
Of course, back in those days, the bots were polite enough that you could say Rang Rang, and they'd move spots, though that was probably cause everyone knew someone in EverRed, and would get a 7x SR in C Grade to kill them if they didn't move.
I will join. Sounds like fun. Its the first playerbased event? Something like "The Bot-Hunt"? Of course to bad if a few high-lvl chars hop in and kill all the pink/red bothunter to get more pvp counts.
Heh...Man...I do the "Bot police" thing for 2 weeks now.I play in Chronos and i have 2 PK characters,lvl40 and lvl61,made for killing bots :D.
I remember a guy who was so upset with me killing his bots,so he had to login his Main character(Dwarf-76+ lvl) in order to protect them....SO...my answer for this was to login my Archer and PK his main....and Hell yeah!! That made him tapout and i never saw him botting again on the same spot :D ha ha ha...
PS: <3 Bots:D
The problem with asking a question and using the lack of response as proof that someone is a bot is that it doesn't take into consideration that the player you are addressing might not even understand English..or if the person is busy fighting several mobs at once..they could well be too busy to respond.
When I'm out leveling I often get into my old C3 grinding away mindset and never bother looking at the chat box....it's pretty much irrelevant when I'm out hunting.
Also if a person "dual boxes" that is not the same as being a bot, again older returning players are prone to doing this because back in the days of C2/C3, there were no freebie buffs so if you wanted buffs or even a healer..you had to roll one and "dual box" because so very few player had the patience or the mindset to play a total support character
And yes I do have one..a SE, brought him up the hard way, back when your strongest attack spell was Wind Strike.
I was pk'd on MaWomble (my dwarven namesake) a couple of weeks back, the reasoning was that I must have been a bot because I was not only a dwarf, but I was picking up EVERYTHING that was laying about...old habits die hard and I can remember when each and every piece of coal etc was valuable and needed to craft gear.
What surprised the person that killed me was that I spoke to them after they had done the deed...I never cuss and whine, I usually thank the person for the free teleport back to town, get rebuffed and go straight back to where I was.
Oh and they did apologise, then asked me if I could craft them some shots for them to buy, me being an arty an all....that made me chuckle and yes I did craft some for them, for free..just for the cheek.
So please feel free to "police" the servers but make sure you and your clannies are killing real bots not just using this as an excuse to cause wide spread misery for real players.
This ******* PK system...i killed a gang of bots and now i have a ******** of negative reputation. Annoying as **** that i have to pay for it when some other ****** is cheating.
The problem with asking a question and using the lack of response as proof that someone is a bot is that it doesn't take into consideration that the player you are addressing might not even understand English..or if the person is busy fighting several mobs at once..they could well be too busy to respond.
When I'm out leveling I often get into my old C3 grinding away mindset and never bother looking at the chat box....it's pretty much irrelevant when I'm out hunting.
Also if a person "dual boxes" that is not the same as being a bot, again older returning players are prone to doing this because back in the days of C2/C3, there were no freebie buffs so if you wanted buffs or even a healer..you had to roll one and "dual box" because so very few player had the patience or the mindset to play a total support character
And yes I do have one..a SE, brought him up the hard way, back when your strongest attack spell was Wind Strike.
I was pk'd on MaWomble (my dwarven namesake) a couple of weeks back, the reasoning was that I must have been a bot because I was not only a dwarf, but I was picking up EVERYTHING that was laying about...old habits die hard and I can remember when each and every piece of coal etc was valuable and needed to craft gear.
What surprised the person that killed me was that I spoke to them after they had done the deed...I never cuss and whine, I usually thank the person for the free teleport back to town, get rebuffed and go straight back to where I was.
Oh and they did apologise, then asked me if I could craft them some shots for them to buy, me being an arty an all....that made me chuckle and yes I did craft some for them, for free..just for the cheek.
So please feel free to "police" the servers but make sure you and your clannies are killing real bots not just using this as an excuse to cause wide spread misery for real players.
Ma Womble
Hi,
I understand what you say and, of course, sometimes i'm afk in exp spot, or in brainless exping ( watching a movie at the same time for exemple).
But when we do the Anti Police Bot, we don't PK bots.
First, cauz' we made this with our main char.
Second PK a bot is boring, you have to be carefull because everybody wanna kill you,etc.
So The system is :we Heal a mob untill the bot die.
Even if you're not looking carefully to your screen you'll see that the mob didn't die.
Furthermore, to be sure that we're dealing with a (badass) bot there are some clue.
If The char near youchange target and run to another mob each time you target the same mob ( before the first hit) you'll see automaticaly the player change for another mob => Bot
Call him/her by is name, saying " Hey You MaWomble" for exemple.
If you're dealing with a Tytan ( sorry for all real char destro/tytan) with a baby buffalo, be very aware, bot's user very love Tytan and buffalo :)
And, Btw, i'll pick up everthing too, i don't think it's only a bot habbit.
So i hope many people will join this work to make a cleaner spot for real player, even if some of them are jerks.
Pm Missou IG if you wanna have fun ( with healing mobs for bot ofc).
The problem is you wasting your time on making perm red and going around pking randoms or bots....well guess what the bots will still xp the rest 20 hours when you sleep, work, having dinner, family time they will XP 2/3 days on the same spot at max ( for the pro botters) then they will move on and after few months you will come here again qqing that bots r 99 lvl cheat with no bans and you are still lol 88ish.well you throw that upon your self.
Enjoy your polishing
The problem is you wasting your time on making perm red and going around pking randoms or bots....well guess what the bots will still xp the rest 20 hours when you sleep, work, having dinner, family time they will XP 2/3 days on the same spot at max ( for the pro botters) then they will move on and after few months you will come here again qqing that bots r 99 lvl cheat with no bans and you are still lol 88ish.well you throw that upon your self.
Enjoy your polishing
Like say upper, we don't PK bots !
Mobs kills bots, we just help mobs to do this.
And, of course, we're not doing this all the day long, but, when i'm boring of exping/pvping with carebear or doing some crappy reroll i do my citizen job and i clean a spot for 30min-2Hours and, in this time, players can enjoy a 99% free bot spot.
only gm can clean bots and still with free account they pop like weeds
So you wasting more time on healing the mob hoping the bot will die.....
I'm just try to explain you that you just wasting your time but I suppose is the same trying to make a botter change his mind and stop doing it.
Anyway gl with your polishing the whole 1 mb 2 Weeks you will bother doing it before you realise how much time you loosing.
Ah my apologies I misunderstood the intention, blame it on lack of a cuppa ;)
Healing the mob is a good idea, especially at the higher levels...I cannot remember, do you go purple when healing a mob..or is there no status change?
Hell I can remember people buffing raid mobs while it was being fought by another clan or when folks decided to stop the pro botters.
Ah my apologies I misunderstood the intention, blame it on lack of a cuppa ;)
Healing the mob is a good idea, especially at the higher levels...I cannot remember, do you go purple when healing a mob..or is there no status change?
Hell I can remember people buffing raid mobs while it was being fought by another clan or when folks decided to stop the pro botters.
Don't know tbh you have to try it, strange thinks happening last Weeks on the server.had hear for a guy writing somewhere around that peoples don't flag when buff/heal red players maybe they fix it who knows with them...
Sace say to busy fixing the lag problems and same time they upgrading and adding stuffs on l2 store....so your guess is us good us there word, anyway I think they guessing to..
I miss the old days of farmer wars... we used to have big farmer fights in DVC on Bartz... getting them to drop gear was always fun too. Then we had Lord of Lords... waring them was fun too. Its much more interesting when farmers/bots fight back. :)
The problem is you wasting your time on making perm red and going around pking randoms or bots....well guess what the bots will still xp the rest 20 hours when you sleep, work, having dinner, family time they will XP 2/3 days on the same spot at max ( for the pro botters) then they will move on and after few months you will come here again qqing that bots r 99 lvl cheat with no bans and you are still lol 88ish.well you throw that upon your self.
Enjoy your polishing
We don't waste our time... The purpose is not to destroy/annoy bot (well, it is but it's not our main goal), it's to make a clean spot for REAL player, if real player aren't on the spot, we don't bother bots.
Spoting a bot is very easy, question, and if no answer while healing the mobs etc... you KNOW that it is a bot, especially when it act just as missou said.
I hope this will be followed by a maximum of player, because we have to stay united against cheaters >.< Again, we wouldn't have to do that if gm's would do their job.
And if as said before, if it's the first player based event, it's very sad... I'm too new here to say anything about that (started with the f2p) but I hope player aren't that selfish...
No bots = more spot for real players, and lack of adenas for the seller website, so the death of these websites, so people would buy at galeria store to sell items ingame and make money = more money for NCsoft.
go kill them in mos they don't event bother using shots, that will heart them more is too hard to solo especial archer after 80ish and have always some normal grocery rez on you most of then they are so failure they have open rez (shame nc always worked for them first no more drop on normal death then make zerg/holy weapon party buff now you cannot dlvl)
Killing them on this lvl will be stab on bone not killing the 50/60 lvl.
Hi,
I understand what you say and, of course, sometimes i'm afk in exp spot, or in brainless exping ( watching a movie at the same time for exemple).
But when we do the Anti Police Bot, we don't PK bots.
First, cauz' we made this with our main char.
Second PK a bot is boring, you have to be carefull because everybody wanna kill you,etc.
So The system is :we Heal a mob untill the bot die.
Even if you're not looking carefully to your screen you'll see that the mob didn't die.
Furthermore, to be sure that we're dealing with a (badass) bot there are some clue.
If The char near youchange target and run to another mob each time you target the same mob ( before the first hit) you'll see automaticaly the player change for another mob => Bot
Call him/her by is name, saying " Hey You MaWomble" for exemple.
If you're dealing with a Tytan ( sorry for all real char destro/tytan) with a baby buffalo, be very aware, bot's user very love Tytan and buffalo :)
And, Btw, i'll pick up everthing too, i don't think it's only a bot habbit.
So i hope many people will join this work to make a cleaner spot for real player, even if some of them are jerks.
Pm Missou IG if you wanna have fun ( with healing mobs for bot ofc).
We don't waste our time... The purpose is not to destroy/annoy bot (well, it is but it's not our main goal), it's to make a clean spot for REAL player, if real player aren't on the spot, we don't bother bots.
Spoting a bot is very easy, question, and if no answer while healing the mobs etc... you KNOW that it is a bot, especially when it act just as missou said.
I hope this will be followed by a maximum of player, because we have to stay united against cheaters >.< Again, we wouldn't have to do that if gm's would do their job.
And if as said before, if it's the first player based event, it's very sad... I'm too new here to say anything about that (started with the f2p) but I hope player aren't that selfish...
No bots = more spot for real players, and lack of adenas for the seller website, so the death of these websites, so people would buy at galeria store to sell items ingame and make money = more money for NCsoft.
Seriously, just stop. All of you "bot police" people fail at L2 if you believe this kind of tripe. If you're out griefing me, the last thing I'm going to do is start up a conversation with you.
If you want to grief people, just do it. Don't try to pretty it up with this failure bot police nonsense. Just go grief.
@ Elrohir
I like people here, we have a find a way, not a solution, but a part of to stop bot and they continue to make post against this way.
As i said before we make sure that the char is a bot before healing mobs.
Sometimes we made mistake but we fix it before the player die ( when you start healing a mob, even if the player don't answer before he always insult you after).
So i heal the player, wish him a good day, buff him a bit and that all.
But if it's a bot he dies.
So everyone is happy, player on the spot have more mobs, we have fun.
Come with us one time and you'll see how it's work.
MaWOmble you turn purple when you heal/buff mobs, so sometimes, High level become scared or opportunist and try to kill us.
I'm Bishop so Healing mobs is easy, but i can't do so much buff ( only shield, might, focus are usefull).
As i said before we make sure that the char is a bot before healing mobs. Sometimes we made mistake but we fix it before the player die ( when you start healing a mob, even if the player don't answer before he always insult you after).
Again, I call BS. Not everyone insults or even talks to PKers. I rarely look at my chat log while I'm out grinding so I guess to you guys, I'm a bot.
So i heal the player, wish him a good day, buff him a bit and that all.
But if it's a bot he dies.
So everyone is happy, player on the spot have more mobs, we have fun.
Come with us one time and you'll see how it's work.
I don't think so. The smugness of your little vigilantly group is probably fatal.
Not everyone insults or even talks to PKers. I rarely look at my chat log while I'm out grinding so I guess to you guys, I'm a bot.
Don't you ever read the last posts ? First we are not PK, Our Name is not Red we don't have karma.
When you grinding, even if you don't look your chatbox everytime, if someone start to heal your mob, why do you do ? Continue hitting your mobs ever and ever till you die ? no, you start shouting against the Healeur.
And AGAIN, we just don't say to all people " allo bot ? no ok kill"
We start looking about his behaviour, than ask, than act.
We didn't kill anyone in few hours who was not a bot.
I don't think so. The smugness of your little vigilantly group is probably fatal.
We can handle some of people. Sometimes we die, and so ? The purpose is to have fun AND to stop for minute/hours some bots.
Stop being such a conceited person.
If youdon't like our way to deal with bot, find another one, and if it's a better way i'll follow.
But if you have nothing, stop saying that we are a smugness group of nugatory people.
Seriously, just stop. All of you "bot police" people fail at L2 if you believe this kind of tripe. If you're out griefing me, the last thing I'm going to do is start up a conversation with you.
If you want to grief people, just do it. Don't try to pretty it up with this failure bot police nonsense. Just go grief.
It's not a way to grief people, even if you tought that.
When i wanna be a beach with other player i easily can be ( and i'm a great great beach), but sometimes, i like to randomly buff someone, or helping a random guy who have few mobs on his back and he's running to escape.
The point is If you don't like Anti Bot Police, just say that and stop trying to find suspecting arguments.
You can configure a bot to NOT change target when another person is targeting their mobs.
Also they can configure bots to say words when you talk to them. Normally random words like "hi" or something like that.
You can know if a box is a bot or not just looking the point the box is running at. If the point is the owner of the box, maybe the box is a bot or not. But if the box is running at the point where the owner clicked. Then it is a bot.
You can also configure bots to defend themself when you attack them.
They can also configure bots to say things like "WTF, or **** off" or even hit you when you heal their mobs.
You can fight random botters, poor guys with not enought time to play. You can't find a good botter. In fact a good botter can have a character on your party and you can't even notice it.
But of course you can still killing the weak ones. Something is something.
While I will admit running across a group of bots farming an area you want to either level in or farm yourself is very annoying. We have to remember this one important thing, should the bots/farmers ever decide to up and leave L2...what little economy there is will be well and truly screwed...because the majority of players will not want to spend ages collecting mats needed to craft.
Having returned to L2 since it became free I've been shocked at how easy it's become to get to A grade...before there was a sense of achievement and when you successfully crafted or bought your armour and weapons...there was no better feeling in game.
Now all you have to do is make sure you log onto the website and collect your freebies
I must be a bit of a masochist to miss when I would literally spend a month spoiling the same mob to get the mats I needed to craft something,
It's not a way to grief people, even if you tought that.
When i wanna be a beach with other player i easily can be ( and i'm a great great beach), but sometimes, i like to randomly buff someone, or helping a random guy who have few mobs on his back and he's running to escape.
It is too a way to grief people and you admit it when you said that mistakes are made.
and if no answer while healing the mobs etc... you KNOW that it is a bot
Sometimes we made mistake
So, if your method of detection is as foolproof as you claim, how could there ever be mistakes?
When you grinding, even if you don't look your chatbox everytime, if someone start to heal your mob, why do you do ? Continue hitting your mobs ever and ever till you die ? no, you start shouting against the Healeur.
What do I do? I keep fighting the mob or I die. If I stop to try to begin a conversion, I die. If I stop hitting the mob, I die.
The point is If you don't like Anti Bot Police, just say that and stop trying to find suspecting arguments.
I would have far more respect for your merry band of griefers if you would just come out and say that you want to grief people and if a few bots get caught up in it, so be it. You are griefers, plain and simple. Your bot detection methods (as someone else just posted) are completely fail.
I've prove it many time IG, but you don't ant to understand the purpose of this.
Now, counterprouve that we don't want to grief, comon...
You can't as i can "really" prouve this, especially when you just write thing on a forum.
I've prove it many time IG, but you don't ant to understand the purpose of this.
Now, counterprouve that we don't want to grief, comon...
You can't as i can "really" prouve this, especially when you just write thing on a forum.
/begin proof
All of the things you say you do to bots, when done to actual (non-bot) players is, indeed, griefing. You cannot deny this.
Now, you have admitted in this very thread that you make mistakes and do these things to actual (non-bot) players.
Therefore, you grief actual (non-bot) players.
/end proof
/begin proof
All of the things you say you do to bots, when done to actual (non-bot) players is, indeed, griefing. You cannot deny this.
Now, you have admitted in this very thread that you make mistakes and do these things to actual (non-bot) players.
Therefore, you grief actual (non-bot) players.
/end proof
I can deny that, sometimes, i heal 1-2 times a mob instead of many many time when it's a real bot, and i apologie with heal and buff.
You can't call a mistake a grief when it's only an inadvertant error.
At the end of a proceed the player have better chance to kill mob, so it's not a grief.
I can deny that, sometimes, i heal 1-2 times a mob instead of many many time when it's a real bot, and i apologie with heal and buff.
You can't call a mistake a grief when it's only an inadvertant error.
At the end of a proceed the player have better chance to kill mob, so it's not a grief.
end of the talk.
Accidentally KSing a single mob from another player is a mistake. It happens. You cannot heal a mob by mistake. It is always intentional.
The second you heal a mob on an actual player, you are griefing. It doesn't matter what your intentions are.
And what if the person doesn't speak to you before they die? Is that their fault that they are focusing on killing the mobs that you are healing? I can tell you that I never talk to another player when I am killing a mob. Never. Will I fail your bot test? Are you going to come grief me now?
Accidentally KSing a single mob from another player is a mistake. It happens. You cannot heal a mob by mistake. It is always intentional.
It's not healing by mistake, it's to make a mistake about if the char is a bot or not......
And what if the person doesn't speak to you before they die? Is that their fault that they are focusing on killing the mobs that you are healing? I can tell you that I never talk to another player when I am killing a mob. Never. Will I fail your bot test? Are you going to come grief me now?
Do you change your target each time i target the same mob ? Do you act automaticaly the same way each time, do you rebuff excatly each time the buff have 1 seconde left ? do you use Frenzy/zealot at the exact % of 30% ? No, so you don't act like a bot, so you win the bot test.
The thing that you don't understand is the bot identification procedure is not only " Hi, bot ? no answer you're a bot".
And, even if you're not convince, ask the player from SV if they enjoy this system, they'll say yes.
I don't think people gonna say " OMG they killing a bot, they are so griefer bad people, i hate that when someone kill the bot that stole my mob for my QI".
It's not healing by mistake, it's to make a mistake about if the char is a bot or not......
And you missed my point...
Do you change your target each time i target the same mob ? Do you act automaticaly the same way each time, do you rebuff excatly each time the buff have 1 seconde left ? do you use Frenzy/zealot at the exact % of 30% ? No, so you don't act like a bot, so you win the bot test.
Obviously there must be those players that do otherwise you wouldn't have false positives, correct?
The thing that you don't understand is the bot identification procedure is not only " Hi, bot ? no answer you're a bot".
Then why do you, and every other bot vigilante, use this as a test? It's mentioned in this thread a couple of times. As you said earlier, "even if the player don't answer before he always insult you after." which is patently false.
And, even if you're not convince, ask the player from SV if they enjoy this system, they'll say yes.
I don't think people gonna say " OMG they killing a bot, they are so griefer bad people, i hate that when someone kill the bot that stole my mob for my QI".
No one said they don't want bots gone. You're just upset (by calling me a troll) that I didn't get on my knees and thank you for doing this.
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"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills."
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Obviously there must be those players that do otherwise you wouldn't have false positives, correct?
Then why do you, and every other bot vigilante, use this as a test? It's mentioned in this thread a couple of times. As you said earlier, "even if the player don't answer before he always insult you after." which is patently false.
No one said they don't want bots gone. You're just upset (by calling me a troll) that I didn't get on my knees and thank you for doing this.
You don't thanks, i don't care but your willing of denigrate is distressing.
And yes, one PART of the test is to ask questions, and what ?
And i'm glad to be compared to Don Quichote :D ( even if you try to demean myself).
Hey everyone. The anti bot police is born on Naia ! And it's something which seems to be worthful, so we have to extend on every server, in every places.
Our first area was SV on Naia, chasing bots. I propose that everyone who has the time / enjoy make the bot police.
The bot police is player doing GM's job, because they seems to not be able to do it.
First, you present yourself to the presumed bot as the Anti bot Police. Then, you ask the personn if he's a bot. If answer, next target. If no answer, some healer heal the mob, while a fighter or so lower the HP of the target until the bot die.
Then your job is done, you can go to the next bot ! :)
Sorry for the bad english, it's not my native language.
If you have any question, or want us to come with us, pm Kehlian or Missou IG
I do my part like i promise : i sacrifice 1 of my char 69 BH !! today in 1 h i pk 10 bot in WOA.... 2 groops each groops have 3 healer and all bot have Mentor skill !!!!
i wish to post screenshot here but ... i am to " dumb" to know how to do....
You don't thanks, i don't care but your willing of denigrate is distressing.
Why is it distressing?
And yes, one PART of the test is to ask questions, and what ?
Because it is meaningless, as I've been trying to explain to you many times. As someone else already stated, some bots do talk back. Hell, we used to send them PMs back in the day just to hear what they'd say.
Because you trying to denigrate the little part of our job to reduce bot.
Because it is meaningless, as I've been trying to explain to you many times. As someone else already stated, some bots do talk back. Hell, we used to send them PMs back in the day just to hear what they'd say.
We can't kill ALL the bots,and we understand this but we just killing those who can identified.
Along with a some players who don't talk back to you, right?
comon, again ? we don't kill people only on base of "non-responding". So read again please.
First you have to understand that we don't heal mob based on answer, so if you have a totaly bot behaviour, you're a bot user so you can die.
You're ignoring my question. You determine I'm a bot when I'm really not (as you have said, mistakes happen). We haven't spoken to each other. You decide to start healing my mobs. What happens next? According to you, if I don't say anything to you after you start healing my mobs you will keep healing them until I die. Correct?
You're ignoring my question. You determine I'm a bot when I'm really not (as you have said, mistakes happen). We haven't spoken to each other. You decide to start healing my mobs. What happens next? According to you, if I don't say anything to you after you start healing my mobs you will keep healing them until I die. Correct?
Well that means you act exactly like a bot, because you keep hiting the same mob, etc... and we kill you... Is that what you want us to say ? because it's obviously what you are trying to do, discrediting us.
Now if we do mistake, and you complain about that after your death, we always brez, so you get back 100% of your exp and can keep exping.
I never said that our way opf doing things is perfect, but that's the best we found yet. If you have another one, tell us and we'll follow your lead, if you don't just shut up.
Happy ? You seems like a nervous bot user, or someone hatting the fact that it's not your idea ? :D
Well that means you act exactly like a bot, and we kill you... Is that what you want us to say ? because it's obviously what you are trying to do, discrediting us.
No, I'm just trying to play the game without getting bothered by you vigilantes.
Now if we do mistake, and you complain about that after your death, we always brez, so you get back 100% of your exp and can keep exping.
Fair enough. You make mistakes. Own up to it and admit that your detection methods aren't very good.
Happy, nervous bot user ? :D
See, this is what I was waiting for. You finally accused me of being a bot. I was wondering how long it would take. This just goes to prove that you really have no idea how to detect botting and are just griefers wanting everyone to think you're heroes.
Now the jealous troll defending bots was spotted, can we keep talking about kicking bot's *** ?
Well now it's obvious you don't the first thing about detecting bots. And now I know you don't even know what a troll is. Hint, someone who disagrees with you is not a troll.
If only there were just disagreeing, you just try to discredit what we're trying to do, finding any break in every word we write and you know it.. oh what ? what ? oh yes ! that's how a troll act :D
If only there were just disagreeing, you just try to discredit what we're trying to do, finding any break in every word we write and you know it.. oh what ? what ? oh yes ! that's how a troll act :D
Of course I'm discussing the words you use because that's all I have to use in a forum. You told us what you do. What else am I supposed to use?
You yourself said there are things that bots ALWAYS do. Then you say, well, sometimes there are mistakes. Which is it?
Because there is people acting exactly as bots, and as I said, we kill those people, but then, brez them when we spot the mistake. as I already told you
Because there is people acting exactly as bots, and as I said, we kill those people, but then, brez them when we spot the mistake. as I already told you
Okay, how does one act exactly like a bot? And so what if they do? They aren't doing anything wrong, are they?
A bot will change target if you target his mob before he hit him. As an exemple, see the supposed bot running to a mob, target the mob before the bot fight, and it will change magically of target. Try it 2-3 time and you'll see. If he doesn't talk you back, or fight back if you get purple on him. Try healing his mob, and if still no answer, kill him. That's all. Because that's how a bot act.
I find this acceptable because we ALWAYS repair our mistakes, and make sure it doesn't affect the player by a loss of exp (brez)
I didn't say anywhere that ONLY BOTS can do that, but that's what they do.
Seriously, read again the topic and you'll see everything i just told you was already said -.-
A bot will change target if you target his mob before he hit him. As an exemple, see the supposed bot running to a mob, target the mob before the bot fight, and it will change magically of target. Try it 2-3 time and you'll see. If he doesn't talk you back, or fight back if you get purple on him. Try healing his mob, and if still no answer, kill him. That's all. Because that's how a bot act.
I find this acceptable because we ALWAYS repair our mistakes, and make sure it doesn't affect the player by a loss of exp (brez)
I didn't say anywhere that ONLY BOTS can do that, but that's what they do.
Seriously, read again the topic and you'll see everything i just told you was already said -.-
So my original point that if I don't say anything to you, I'm acting like a bot to you?
Ok now you obviously are a troll <.< Did you even read what I wrote ?
End of discussion
Because you keep going back to this:
Try healing his mob, and if still no answer, kill him. That's all. Because that's how a bot act.
And, as I have said, I do not talk to others while I am killing a mob.
And you've also said you can tell who is botting but that you make mistakes. I want you to admit that your detection methods suck.
And, as I have said, I do not talk to others while I am killing a mob.
You focus on ONE part of the bot detecting, so, except if you have a speacial deseases that make you read one sentence from two, read again and pass one sentence to red all thing.
And you've also said you can tell who is botting but that you make mistakes. I want you to admit that your detection methods suck.
You focus on ONE part of the bot detecting, so, except if you have a speacial deseases that make you read one sentence from two, read again and pass one sentence to red all thing.
1 mistake from 999999 success you said :sucks ? you're kidding i hope ?
And, as I have said, I do not talk to others while I am killing a mob.
And you've also said you can tell who is botting but that you make mistakes. I want you to admit that your detection methods suck.
Not talking is PART OF the "act like a bot", you don't read what I write, right ? or just what you want to see...
I never said that our way opf doing things is perfect, but that's the best we found yet. If you have another one, tell us and we'll follow your lead
Already told you that. ***zed again now ? :D (I guess you didn't read this the first time because you read only a few things of what we write)
Anyway, it's not perfect, but it work most of the times (missou is exaggerate on purpose for you to finally understand what we tell you from the beggining and you obviously don't want to understand).
You focus on ONE part of the bot detecting, so, except if you have a speacial deseases that make you read one sentence from two, read again and pass one sentence to red all thing.
I just want to know what normal players are doing that leads you to the point where you would begin healing their mobs.
I just want to know what normal players are doing that leads you to the point where you would begin healing their mobs.
We don't heal mobs that being attacked by normal player except on few few few few few ( i write it many time, maybe you can't read some words) few few time.
We don't heal mobs that being attacked by normal player except on few few few few few ( i write it many time, maybe you can't read some words) few few time.
why would u waste your time doing this lol for 1 it wont make them log off they just go back to town start again
I can read them but it was so stupid that I had to assume I read it wrong. Glad you cleared it up for me.
Not talking = bot to your group. I finally got the answer.
Seriously you just answer each sentence to upgrade you number post ?
You pont that the system is not 100%effective, and we admit it, so, next thingto do it's to say :
-It's amazing that some people try to stop some bots, bots are so usefull.
-It's good to see that people trying to stop some of the bots and have fun doing this.
-Some people try to stop some bot, it's not 100% efective but it wroks a bit, ok, don't care about it.
Chosse your answer, post it and end of the talk ok ? :D
Seriously you just answer each sentence to upgrade you number post ?
You pont that the system is not 100%effective, and we admit it, so, next thingto do it's to say :
-It's amazing that some people try to stop some bots, bots are so usefull.
-It's good to see that people trying to stop some of the bots and have fun doing this.
-Some people try to stop some bot, it's not 100% efective but it wroks a bit, ok, don't care about it.
Chosse your answer, post it and end of the talk ok ? :D
How about none of the above? Really, this entire discussion is about how bad your bot detection skills are. You just fail to see it.
The entire discution is : we are the anti bot police, read the title again.
I understand you believe this. Do you honestly think you're the first? Or even second? Or even 100th?
The bottom line is, however, if you do this to a normal player, you are griefing them. I've had it happen to me and that is why I have been asking over and over what about my behavior makes me a bot. And so far, the only answer I get is that I don't talk to them since I cannot do the other things you've listed.
I understand you believe this. Do you honestly think you're the first? Or even second? Or even 100th?
The bottom line is, however, if you do this to a normal player, you are griefing them. I've had it happen to me and that is why I have been asking over and over what about my behavior makes me a bot. And so far, the only answer I get is that I don't talk to them since I cannot do the other things you've listed.
So I'm asking you how to not make myself a bot.
SOes anyone of here have done this to you, i don't think so... like you say " IF" but there is no "IF" no more.
Second point : even if the are the billion that does that, what ? we can't do that because some people already do it ?
SOes anyone of here have done this to you, i don't think so... like you say " IF" but there is no "IF" no more.
Second point : even if the are the billion that does that, what ? we can't do that because some people already do it ?
I don't know (and neither do you) that no one in your group hasn't done this to me.
If someone took you for a bot, sorry for you, but it wasn't us if you didn't followed ALL OF THE POINTS we listed. You should started here, someone griefied you for a reason, and you try to know if it's us.
Elrohir, continuing to ask how players identify bots is really unproductive considering that we don't really know how the human mind does it - unless we are writing a PhD on the cognitive skills involved.
We do however know that each and everyone one of us is able to distinguish between human behaviour and non-human or emulated behaviour so whatever you write in retort to people trying to explain the initial observations that may lead to suspecting non-human behaviour has very little bearing on that fact.
I skimmed through this thread and will say this much.
I hate botting, as well as dual boxing but both have been just a big of a part of lineage 2 as castle seiges or grinding xp normally lol.
I thank anyone who wants to spend their time hunting down and seemingly endless number of bots and offering them little to no misfortune. I'm sure these guys really don't care if they wake up dead or logged out of the game because that one day where you found and killed ONE of their bots doesn't really matter.
I'd suggest that most botters are dual boxing 500 bots at once lol but I would probably sound crazy.
I would also like to point out that the one guy who seems to be anti bot police also has a picture of a robot as his sig pic and sounds like an angry botter. So perhaps your anti bot groups are working to flustrate some of the cheaters. At any rate I will gladly kill anyone who is hogging hunting areas and doesn't respond to message on the screen with no remorse towards rather or not they were a botter or just are incapable of see'ing both their character and the chat box at once.
tl:dr Humans can identify bots, now move on.
You might think so but you'd be quite wrong. I think most players think they are good at identifying bots. With large groups, yeah, it's easy. How about solo players? That's when everyone seems to think I'm a bot. At least that's what they say afterwards.
I skimmed through this thread and will say this much.
I hate botting, as well as dual boxing but both have been just a big of a part of lineage 2 as castle seiges or grinding xp normally lol.
Well you're confusing boxing with botting. One has absolutely nothing do to with the other.
I thank anyone who wants to spend their time hunting down and seemingly endless number of bots and offering them little to no misfortune. I'm sure these guys really don't care if they wake up dead or logged out of the game because that one day where you found and killed ONE of their bots doesn't really matter.
I don't have a problem with it either but it's really something that NCSoft should be doing, not players. It is their job, after all.
I would also like to point out that the one guy who seems to be anti bot police also has a picture of a robot as his sig pic and sounds like an angry botter. So perhaps your anti bot groups are working to flustrate some of the cheaters.
Darn, you caught me! That's right, I've been botting for the last 7+ years (off and on). Fear my level 70 gladiator!!
At any rate I will gladly kill anyone who is hogging hunting areas and doesn't respond to message on the screen with no remorse towards rather or not they were a botter or just are incapable of see'ing both their character and the chat box at once.
That is your right and it is my right to label you a griefer, because that is what you are.