Give the Chronos back to the real players !! I whant to pay again and this server to work normally !!!!! It is any chance to vote , for this ?? it is any chance NCSOFT to open this option and let us to pay again ???
Give the Chronos back to the real players !! I whant to pay again and this server to work normally !!!!! It is any chance to vote , for this ?? it is any chance NCSOFT to open this option and let us to pay again ???
srry for my bad engl
Going back to pay to play would be the death of the servers, they were all but empty except for bots, shops and boxes until they went Free to Play. If they went back to the old system 80% of the existing players would quit as they are only here because it is free to play.
Besides, NCwest has no control over these things, NCeast (Korean Owners) control everything about the game and how it is managed.
Going back to pay to play would be the death of the servers, they were all but empty except for bots, shops and boxes until they went Free to Play. If they went back to the old system 80% of the existing players would quit as they are only here because it is free to play.
Besides, NCwest has no control over these things, NCeast (Korean Owners) control everything about the game and how it is managed.
How can you be so sure? You can predict everything or what? What really matters are facts and you don t have any, do you?
A lot of people tasted now official server and made here friends so my feeling is that more people would be willing to pay for the game. But I really don t know if NCsoft would take such risk and go P2P. They reputation would be worser and reputation also = $$. Some ppl would be felt cheated. I dunno if this risk is profitable.
How can you be so sure? You can predict everything or what? What really matters are facts and you don t have any, do you?
A lot of people tasted now official server and made here friends so my feeling is that more people would be willing to pay for the game. But I really don t know if NCsoft would take such risk and go P2P. They reputation would be worser and reputation also = $$. Some ppl would be felt cheated. I dunno if this risk is profitable.
It's called 7+ years of playing here and seeing how much the servers have gone downhill in the past couple of years.
In addition to seeing how NCsoft handles their servers, it was not much different than it is now.
You will not see Pay to Play return, of that I am 99.9999% certain. If you do not want to accept it, then that is your choice. Besides, with the money I am sure they are making with the L2Store and Galliera they do not need any monthly subscriptions as the stuff in the shops are quite expensive; but many people buy it.
I do not have much trouble logging into Chronos, takes me no more than 5 minutes; I am logged in now waiting for my HP to regen. :D
Going back to pay to play would be the death of the servers, they were all but empty except for bots, shops and boxes until they went Free to Play. If they went back to the old system 80% of the existing players would quit as they are only here because it is free to play.
Besides, NCwest has no control over these things, NCeast (Korean Owners) control everything about the game and how it is managed.
There is not enough content in goddess to support full servers, bots or not. If 80% of the nonpaying players left, that would be a good thing. You make it sound like EVERYONE is here for free to play which is a straight up lie. You make it sound like only bots were playing pregoddess which is another lie. People stopped playing because they had nothing to do for 9 months. You forget that it took ncsoft almost a year to bring us this content. Of course people would quit after waiting for months with no real information.
There is not enough content in goddess to support full servers, bots or not. If 80% of the nonpaying players left, that would be a good thing. You make it sound like EVERYONE is here for free to play which is a straight up lie. You make it sound like only bots were playing pregoddess which is another lie. People stopped playing because they had nothing to do for 9 months. You forget that it took ncsoft almost a year to bring us this content. Of course people would quit after waiting for months with no real information.
Believe whatever you want, but you are living in a dreamworld.
Believe whatever you want, but you are living in a dreamworld.
PRE-GODDESS DOUBLE EXP EVENT: 3-5 PAGES OF LFG PARTY MATCHING
POST-GODDESS 5K PLAYERS: barely 1 lfg party matching play
It's pretty obvious when we had more bots and more real players.
Are you another one of those "dont play the game but play the forums" veterans? It sure sounds like it. Because every low level player is having a hell of a time doing their dailies, as are the 85+ when those are over crowded when the server isnt messed up. The end game hunting ground of obis, the spot where we are suppose to level to 99 at, has 9 rooms in its best level. Good luck sharing that with the rest of the server when they catch up. Lets not forget how fun campagin quests are. You tell me I'm dreaming? REALITY CHECK: the harmony and chapter 2 updates specifically add more hunting grounds because goddess didn't have enough. Currently, the server cant support all these players. Neither physically (its causing crashes and lag) nor from an in game perspective. Even if there was no lag lots of players have trouble completeing content, bots or not, because the available areas are simply not large enough.
Don't even try to tell me you are enjoying the game as it is right now. Nobody is.
PRE-GODDESS DOUBLE EXP EVENT: 3-5 PAGES OF LFG PARTY MATCHING
POST-GODDESS 5K PLAYERS: barely 1 lfg party matching play
It's pretty obvious when we had more bots and more real players.
Are you another one of those "dont play the game but play the forums" veterans? It sure sounds like it. Because every low level player is having a hell of a time doing their dailies, as are the 85+ when those are over crowded when the server isnt messed up. The end game hunting ground of obis, the spot where we are suppose to level to 99 at, has 9 rooms in its best level. Good luck sharing that with the rest of the server when they catch up. Lets not forget how fun campagin quests are. You tell me I'm dreaming? REALITY CHECK: the harmony and chapter 2 updates specifically add more hunting grounds because goddess didn't have enough. Currently, the server cant support all these players. Neither physically (its causing crashes and lag) nor from an in game perspective. Even if there was no lag lots of players have trouble completeing content, bots or not, because the available areas are simply not large enough.
Don't even try to tell me you are enjoying the game as it is right now. Nobody is.
I have nothing against the game as it is now, minus the current event, as I do not have a problem logging in and playing my level 85+ characters; so yes I am enjoying it. I am in no hurry to achieve anything in the game, I play at a casual pace and manage to get the dailies done without too much trouble.
Bots will always be here, sucks but I do not se that ever changing.
Pre-god, there were no farmers for long time, cause actual players had their own trains, then we got hit hard and population never recovered, at that point with such low population was absolutely unattractive for farmers.
Post-god, usual banazna with demand. Seriously $30 for 100m, this means people buying adena like crazy if farmers can charge such prices.
Thing is, if this farmers issues will continue untouched (this is how players see it) like that, you will see actual players will start botting with their own trains and when farmers will be pushed away by players again, maybe NCsoft will drop a ban hammer just in right time to kill off the population without doing any harm to farmers, again :D
Pre-god, there were no farmers for long time, cause actual players had their own trains, then we got hit hard and population never recovered, at that point with such low population was absolutely unattractive for farmers.
Post-god, usual banazna with demand. Seriously $30 for 100m, this means people buying adena like crazy if farmers can charge such prices.
Thing is, if this farmers issues will continue untouched (this is how players see it) like that, you will see actual players will start botting with their own trains and when farmers will be pushed away by players again, maybe NCsoft will drop a ban hammer just in right time to kill off the population without doing any harm to farmers, again :D
If NCsoft would just start doing something about the bots things would be a lot better, but I just don't see that happening. :P
I have never bought adena in this game and never will, but there are always those who are willing to pay to take the easy way out.
If they just ban people who actually buying adena, instead of sitting in the bushes and try to crack down big adena companies, there will be enough word between players about if you buy you get banned, that will make players stop buying. Simple as that.
EDIT: The issue with that might be, people who buy adena most likely also biggest contributors to L2 Shop :D
Going back to pay to play would be the death of the servers, they were all but empty except for bots, shops and boxes until they went Free to Play. If they went back to the old system 80% of the existing players would quit as they are only here because it is free to play.
Besides, NCwest has no control over these things, NCeast (Korean Owners) control everything about the game and how it is managed.
You are dead on the money with post, anyone that thinks otherwise should just stop posting because they must have never played a F2P game.
For those that have never played F2P I will explain how we work. I am a F2P player, like other F2P players I like to play alot of games. I don't like tieing myself down to a sub game, because I would never get my money out of them. Not many F2P players put money into a game, but those of us that do spend money when we like a game, and we spend alot of money. You figure for P2P it is about 15 bucks, times that by 12 and you get 180 from one player in a year. I have guildmates in Rappelz, a F2P game, that spent 8k in a year. Sure, alot of us never spend a dime but we have guys among us that pay 8k, which pays for about 45 players for the year if it was P2P.
If you use freemmogamer.com or mmobomb.com to find new games then you might have seen last weeks F2P webcast, and if you have not watch go to the site and watch it. A F2P game that is not even out sold some pre-release cash shop items in an auction, someone paid 16k for a sword. Everything in that auction ended up going for atleast 1k by the time the biding was done. The simple fact is F2P games make more money than most P2P games. If you watch that webcast you will also get to hear what we on rappelz have been dealing with for years now and realize we don't have it has bad as some people think we do over here.
PRE-GODDESS DOUBLE EXP EVENT: 3-5 PAGES OF LFG PARTY MATCHING
POST-GODDESS 5K PLAYERS: barely 1 lfg party matching play
It's pretty obvious when we had more bots and more real players.
Are you another one of those "dont play the game but play the forums" veterans? It sure sounds like it. Because every low level player is having a hell of a time doing their dailies, as are the 85+ when those are over crowded when the server isnt messed up. The end game hunting ground of obis, the spot where we are suppose to level to 99 at, has 9 rooms in its best level. Good luck sharing that with the rest of the server when they catch up. Lets not forget how fun campagin quests are. You tell me I'm dreaming? REALITY CHECK: the harmony and chapter 2 updates specifically add more hunting grounds because goddess didn't have enough. Currently, the server cant support all these players. Neither physically (its causing crashes and lag) nor from an in game perspective. Even if there was no lag lots of players have trouble completeing content, bots or not, because the available areas are simply not large enough.
Don't even try to tell me you are enjoying the game as it is right now. Nobody is.
I am enjoying the game, but then I am F2P so if it has an issue that makes it annoying and painful to play I am not tied down to it and I go play something else while I wait for it to be fixed. Kinda of like when your car is in the shop for a few days and you rent a car instead of camping out at the auto shop.
Give the Chronos back to the real players !! I whant to pay again and this server to work normally !!!!! It is any chance to vote , for this ?? it is any chance NCSOFT to open this option and let us to pay again ???
srry for my bad engl
I agree, I'm not an old Lineage 2 player, but after my experiences this past week, I really would like to pay for higher quality and less BS. The gold spammers....ugh..
This game is definitely worth $15 a month, and so is Aion. I can hardly believe Aion is going F2P. I hope they don't **** it up and I hope a bunch of free players don't swarm it and ruin it. Hopefully the grind turns people off.
well from what have seen for every player running around there is maybe 3 that are setting up shop. if they would lower auction fee to a more reasonable price and disable personal shop, would that not bring the server population to ACTUAL players rather than people selling their while taking up precious server space? I imagine seeing as there are cash shop items to reduce auction fee to zero, that might not happen but given how the servers are now, at least for me, i would not spend a single penny on the cash shop when i know NCsoft may not lift a finger to fix things for a while.
well here is to a few more weeks of full servers...
Going back to pay to play would be the death of the servers, they were all but empty except for bots, shops and boxes until they went Free to Play. If they went back to the old system 80% of the existing players would quit as they are only here because it is free to play.
Besides, NCwest has no control over these things, NCeast (Korean Owners) control everything about the game and how it is managed.
The real reason the servers were dying was the long, painful grind involved in becoming the pwnzer epic pvper that everyone wants to be. Now that it's possible to get to 86 in less than 1 week, get R grade gear and easy access in getting even better gear, people will stick around. If they kept NCStore, GoD features and instill the P2P again, we will see a more stable game.
well from what have seen for every player running around there is maybe 3 that are setting up shop. if they would lower auction fee to a more reasonable price and disable personal shop, would that not bring the server population to ACTUAL players rather than people selling their while taking up precious server space? I imagine seeing as there are cash shop items to reduce auction fee to zero, that might not happen but given how the servers are now, at least for me, i would not spend a single penny on the cash shop when i know NCsoft may not lift a finger to fix things for a while.
well here is to a few more weeks of full servers...
The shop-lag issue can be resolved by ncsoft if they restrict the area where people can set up shops to be away from important npcs like gate keeper or adventurer helper...etc. Like somewhere safe,around the corner and not visible to key npcs area . In this situation you will only get lag if you decide to go shopping and never have to be bothered by it when you want to go back buff or quest...etc.
If NCsoft would just start doing something about the bots things would be a lot better, but I just don't see that happening. :P
I have never bought adena in this game and never will, but there are always those who are willing to pay to take the easy way out.
NC will do big things about botting.
But first at least half of real players* must be actively botting THEIR (not for sale) characters for XP & adena.
Then NC will make a list of farmers (those who bot to sell stuff/adena/chars), to avoid banning innocents, and ban both farming and real accounts of all players*.
Just like that happened a few times earlier.
* - NC knows that banning bot accounts with stuff worth hundreds of millions of adena will not change anything, that's why they only ban PLAYER accounts. Since when you have no real players, noone buys adena/stuff from farmers. Mission accomplished.
P.S. That also solves the overfilled servers problem.
P.P.S. That also solves the overfilled daily quest zones problem.
P.P.P.S. That also solves the overfilled XP zones problem.
So as you see, banning players is MUCH better than banning bots. Think about it.
But first at least half of real players* must be actively botting THEIR (not for sale) characters for XP & adena.
Then NC will make a list of farmers (those who bot to sell stuff/adena/chars), to avoid banning innocents, and ban both farming and real accounts of all players*.
Just like that happened a few times earlier.
* - NC knows that banning bot accounts with stuff worth hundreds of millions of adena will not change anything, that's why they only ban PLAYER accounts. Since when you have no real players, noone buys adena/stuff from farmers. Mission accomplished.
P.S. That also solves the overfilled servers problem.
P.P.S. That also solves the overfilled daily quest zones problem.
P.P.P.S. That also solves the overfilled XP zones problem.
So as you see, banning players is MUCH better than banning bots. Think about it.
NCsoft has not done anything about botting in the 7+ years L2 has ben running and they are not going to do anything about it now; be it bots or players. If you think they will ever take any action then you need a reality check. :D
NCsoft has not really done anything to improve the game either since i firsts igned up. the controls are still clunky the interface is atrocious...the graphic engine is prehistoric.....gah this game is only lucky it is fun to play and now FREE. at least so long as current OS's can support it, it will always find safe harbor in my computer. but still....is it really so hard to implement a better targeting system....customizable escape button....better pet mechanics etc.....too much to ask i now, but i imagine now that the game is F2P, even less of a priority if it ever was one.
NCsoft has not really done anything to improve the game either since i firsts igned up. the controls are still clunky the interface is atrocious...the graphic engine is prehistoric.....gah this game is only lucky it is fun to play and now FREE. at least so long as current OS's can support it, it will always find safe harbor in my computer. but still....is it really so hard to implement a better targeting system....customizable escape button....better pet mechanics etc.....too much to ask i now, but i imagine now that the game is F2P, even less of a priority if it ever was one.
No, it is not easy to implement things like that because they are limited in the Unreal 2.5 Engine, plus what you se is how L2 has always been. Why would they change the way the game looks, plays and functions since there is nothing wrong with it.
Lineage II is a unique MMORPG and most players like it the way it is now, it does not LOOK and ACT like most other online games and that is what makes it great. There is nothing wrong with the controls, click to move is working fine and has been for 7+ years.. screw that crappy WASD system, and the targeting system works fine.
Thing about L2 is that it takes a large amount of patience, dedication and learning that make most current MMORPG's looks like kids games. :)
Do not change anything, the game mechanic are fine the way they are now and they are not likely to change since NCsoft caters to Korean players, not the rest of the world. lol
I love how new players come here and suddenly start suggesting things that will make it look like other games, like WoW, Aion or any number of others; including crappy private servers.
No, it is not easy to implement things like that because they are limited in the Unreal 2.5 Engine, plus what you se is how L2 has always been. Why would they change the way the game looks, plays and functions since there is nothing wrong with it.
Lineage II is a unique MMORPG and most players like it the way it is now, it does not LOOK and ACT like most other online games and that is what makes it great. There is nothing wrong with the controls, click to move is working fine and has been for 7+ years.. screw that crappy WASD system, and the targeting system works fine.
Thing about L2 is that it takes a large amount of patience, dedication and learning that make most current MMORPG's looks like kids games. :)
Do not change anything, the game mechanic are fine the way they are now and they are not likely to change since NCsoft caters to Korean players, not the rest of the world. lol
I love how new players come here and suddenly start suggesting things that will make it look like other games, like WoW, Aion or any number of others; including crappy private servers.
I like also this new GOD... i am not a new player and when i say Give bk to real player it was a reason: i whish the NCSOFT to care more about the player and fix the problem .. the major prb !! i dont care about this event i care what probl bring ... i care the fact it is almost imposible to loggin imposible to xp whit no ss imposible to make 5 part of QEpic whit no AOE on sword.... and many other important problems..+ groops of bot whit 3-4 healeri hunting in high zone r low zone.... u have a Q to finish and because of them u lose time till u cach 1 mob from Q .... This is mypoint !! If they give back to player whit payment THEY have 1 obligation !! Now is optional it is free nobody force u to buy from L2Store... so if u buy something from there it is u r risk... but if u pay regular , LEGAL they have obligation to wach the game work 100% corect and fair ....this is my point and also think in this way: this event it will be done today ... what happening if the ss not work again ??? if the lag continuue to exist??? if u have Q for AWK and u cannot finish ?? if " tommorow" they bring other event and will be worst than now ???? this is my point !! I like GOD i love this game .... but i WHANT NCSOFT to see us like customer and RESPECT US !!! i wish to give u some example about other game they r free from the beggin already 8 years and still full of players they buy stuff exacley like in this new sistem here L2Store.... in that game server+7 have no lag and if u make a complain in 5 min GM contact u ..... i cant say the name of the game .... but i wish NCSOFT to CARE more about usbecause whit no US... L2 is vanish !!!! i whant RESPECT FOR PLAYER ---( srry for my engl )
NCsoft has not done anything about botting in the 7+ years L2 has ben running and they are not going to do anything about it now; be it bots or players. If you think they will ever take any action then you need a reality check. :D
Thats wrong bots/ebayers got banned allot in the last 2 years their where few bots that i saw running around, till this up date. when bots can set up for free as many as many bots as they wont. hard to stop bots when the can set back up for free again and again.