The launcher now requires pando media booster, which utilizes a limited amount of your upload bandwidth and pc resources to connect you to a peered network, which improves download speed and reliability for you and other end users using pando media booster.
It wont even let me start L2 without installing it.
This is correct, the Pando Media Booster was implemented today and it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher (including maintenances and entire game updates). We will announce more details about this tomorrow.
ah yes, the P2P of choice for all F2P producers everywhere. i always trash pando media every time i am forced to download something using it. and if i Must have it on, i make sure it never runs in the background. i do not trust anything that promises to improve my performance by leeching my bandwidth.
i trust you will also make its use optional....as you should.
This is correct, the Pando Media Booster was implemented today and it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher (including maintenances and entire game updates). We will announce more details about this tomorrow.
You can implement third party rootkits but you cant temporarily turn off character creation/account creation? You can covertly implement third party rootkits but you can't solve server issues after 2 weeks? You can secretly and without our consent implement third party root kits in order to save on bandwidth costs but you still get to waste ncsoft's resources? We don't need 3 redundant community managers to tell us they don't know and that they are sorry and to wait a week! I can't believe you would brazenly lie to our faces like this. First you disable the launcher and force us into the plaync one. Now you are forcing more garbage onto us.
Still waiting on that compensation announcement for 2 weeks of trouble! Don't need updates on fansite kits and rootkit additions to help you save money when we cant even play!
You can implement third party rootkits but you cant temporarily turn off character creation/account creation? You can covertly implement third party rootkits but you can't solve server issues after 2 weeks? You can secretly and without our consent implement third party root kits in order to save on bandwidth costs but you still get to waste ncsoft's resources? We don't need 3 redundant community managers to tell us they don't know and that they are sorry and to wait a week! I can't believe you would brazenly lie to our faces like this. First you disable the launcher and force us into the plaync one. Now you are forcing more garbage onto us.
Still waiting on that compensation announcement for 2 weeks of trouble! Don't need updates on fansite kits and rootkit additions to help you save money when we cant even play!
Nice attempt at trolling BUT Pando Media Booster i not a rootkit in any form or fashion, heck you need it if you ever have used a Microsoft home server setup, plus you are complaining like a noob about different teams within one company, and you don't want the launcher people working on the game, very different beasts.
Does Pando in all cases act as P2P? Because I have a super-slow upload and I sure don't want a hidden application like this lagging my game (or even more so, sending data without my permission - I don't care what data it is).
Thanks for adding this piece of crap to yet another game on my PC, note guys, if your PC starts to run like trash, then gl you've become another victim to the awesome software called Pando Media Booster.
This is correct, the Pando Media Booster was implemented today and it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher (including maintenances and entire game updates). We will announce more details about this tomorrow.
I don't need it and I don't want it. Now what? Sounds like Innova to me...
League of Legends is one of the games that forces pando media booster on you when you install it but at least you can remove it after you do. When I had that crap on my system it was draining ALL my bandwidth everytime my adsl connection was on. Totally maxed out because it is a p2p thing that uploads your install to other users who are downloading.
Another fail in a neverending string of fails of ncsoft ...
Any unsuspecting user that leaves PMB.exe running on their system is pretty much being forced to seed files to thousands of users ALL THE TIME (PMB.exe has been reported by users to use up to 80+% of their internet connection’s upload bandwidth.) For some users this could lead to their ISP throttling their connection and/or actually charging them extra $$$ for using more bandwidth than they knew they were using.
Free 2 play is going to get expensive for those with bandwidth limits
I have 24mb net connection... With this Pando thing, Im going to see lags in game and out of game?
Is there any way to disable this thing or what?
You can have 100 mb connection, it will use up all you have and slow it down pathetically. Normally you can uninstall it from Add/Remove programs but ncsoft in the patch notes are saying it is MANDATORY. If you need that running in the background to play the game, the Tersi event lag will be a joke compared to this
This is what Pando Media Booster does, it saves NCsoft money on hosting/uploading their game files while destroying your bandwidth. Here's a story from someone who played Lotro.
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So the past couple days, internet speeds in our house have been abysmal. Like, dial-up slow bad. After doing a couple speed tests and seeing ping numbers off the chart (well into the four digits) and upload/download speeds crawling, we got worried that our internet provider was throttling us or something happened to the service.
Today I spent over an hour with two different technicians trying to fix the problem, restarting the modem, testing each computer one at a time, only to discover that the issue was my computer. The tech thought I had a virus or spyware that was eating up all of our bandwidth, and I ran a full series of scans to verify that it was clean. Then we went into the processes and started shutting them down one at a time until we found the one that was crippling our internet.
Turns out, it was a program called Pando Media Booster (pmb.exe). Disabled it and *poof*, my speeds are back to normal.
PMB is supposed to help with downloading large files (like MMOs), but there’s quite a few reports on it doing what it’s done to me — slowing a computer’s internet speeds down by running in the background and engaging in cloud computing without you knowing about it. Some players have even labeled it malware.
I don’t mind downloader helpers, fine, but keeping it running without asking me about it and having it choke up my internet connection got me pretty ticked off.
all light elves are drunks & emo's or in my case drunk emo ;)
anywayz the best way to make this Pando thing go away is to add viruses to some files and seed 'm around, see how long Pando stays as a preferred value add prog then..
I hate 3rd party software to interfere with my playing be that PvP/Bot or P2P crap..
Any unsuspecting user that leaves PMB.exe running on their system is pretty much being forced to seed files to thousands of users ALL THE TIME (PMB.exe has been reported by users to use up to 80+% of their internet connection’s upload bandwidth.) For some users this could lead to their ISP throttling their connection and/or actually charging them extra $$$ for using more bandwidth than they knew they were using.
Free 2 play is going to get expensive for those with bandwidth limits
thats exatly my problem, i got a monthly traffic cap of 10GB so i dont care at all for this piece of software...
Just...I wonder if you can shutdown pmb.exe after launching the game client. Or is it a bannable offense like shutting down gameguard.exe or whatever is its name?
Just...I wonder if you can shutdown pmb.exe after launching the game client. Or is it a bannable offense like shutting down gameguard.exe or whatever is its name?
I'll just run the launcher weekly, then rename L2.bin to L2.exe and run L2.exe instead of the launcher. If this won't work anymore, then it's an easy choice -> BYE BYE L2. I don't want to be forced to use CRAPWARE like PMB on my system.
Just...I wonder if you can shutdown pmb.exe after launching the game client. Or is it a bannable offense like shutting down gameguard.exe or whatever is its name?
Hope we can shut it down.
Every game I've played with PMB on I've ended up uninstalling due to PMB sucking my bandwith up, and lagging my game.
I'd like to see an answer too, since I'm willing to bet 80-90% of people don't want PMB running on their computers.
Just...I wonder if you can shutdown pmb.exe after launching the game client. Or is it a bannable offense like shutting down gameguard.exe or whatever is its name?
Pando is not for gameplay is for game updates. When you update game you download the necesary files from server.
Now with Pando you are the server now too ;). While you are updating for example a texture you are upload other file to other, for example l2.bin.
In game, Pando doesn't works because if you are uploading files reply from game server would have a great delay.
If Pando works with game then Lineage 2 will be unplayable because you need your upload connection for 2 things, send your game data to server and confirm server date send to you (TCP/IP works using confirmation)
Pando is not for gameplay is for game updates. When you update game you download the necesary files from server.
Now with Pando you are the server now too ;). While you are updating for example a texture you are upload other file to other, for example l2.bin.
In game, Pando doesn't works because if you are uploading files reply from game server would have a great delay.
If Pando works with game then Lineage 2 will be unplayable because you need your upload connection for 2 things, send your game data to server and confirm server date send to you (TCP/IP works using confirmation)
Do you mean that we upload files like in a p2p program only when downloading updates with the launcher? The issue here is that Pando works in background even when it has its job done, slowing down Internet connections.
If it can't be disabled or uninstalled and you are FORCED to use it to play Lineage2 my game just ended... I don't want that kind of software on my laptop...
NCSoft is trying it's best to be as disapointing as they can be ?
I have 24mb net connection... With this Pando thing, Im going to see lags in game and out of game?
Is there any way to disable this thing or what?
No you wont lag because of media booster. People seriously overreact to awesome applications like Pando.. Pando is awesome it allows me to download at 5+megs per second on my 40mbps connection..
I have 3 seperate pc's on my connection with pando installed and it never lags me. People just like to cry about everything thats why consoles exist for noobs like these whiners.
I dont know what is this Pando software, I just discuss from what I read... Im willing to test it first, and hope my net connection dont slow down... If so, then I'll have to find a way to dismiss it from my PC
No you wont lag because of media booster. People seriously overreact to awesome applications like Pando.. Pando is awesome it allows me to download at 5+megs per second on my 40mbps connection..
Just end the bloody pmb.exe task after updating your client and just stop crying about it. It's simple.
And don't worry, there will still be plenty of peers for you to download from when you want to update, because 95% of the halfwits using computers these days shouldn't even be allowed to go anywhere near one, and will have no idea how to end the task, and even if they do they won't stop it from executing on startup.
There should be an IQ test instead of a login screen when you turn on a computer.
No you wont lag because of media booster. People seriously overreact to awesome applications like Pando.. Pando is awesome it allows me to download at 5+megs per second on my 40mbps connection..
I have 3 seperate pc's on my connection with pando installed and it never lags me. People just like to cry about everything thats why consoles exist for noobs like these whiners.
Good for you. For me and a lot of other people who have 1 pc and an average internet connection it lags us out, and a lot. Hope you have a nice time playing L2 by yourself.
Do you mean that we upload files like in a p2p program only when downloading updates with the launcher? The issue here is that Pando works in background even when it has its job done, slowing down Internet connections.
I think that, as WoW system. When you update the game you use a bittorrent program modified to upload and download, and all become and a peer and downloads and uploads works p2p. Of course there are servers as seeds. When you launch the game bittorrent stops and you can play ;)
At game it's imposible upload files because too many conections are asymetrics. Delay is more high when high traffic has in your connection because the game doesn't answer in Real Time.
If pando works into game, this is the final for Lineage 2. Your lag will be total not only for items. Your movements doesn't real, unplayable...
I think that pando only works while you update the game. Only... But Sace tell us ;)
Just an FYI for the Pando Media Booster complainers - there is a settings panel for it within your Control Panel where you can reduce its bandwidth usages to effectively 0, tell it not to start when Windows loads etc.
To my recollection, you can basically cripple it to doing nothing by tweaking with the settings. Although I'm not sure what effect this would have on updating your client - I'd have to test it (I'm at work at the moment).
You can either disable pando to stop seeding or completely uninstall it, so no Big deal.
1. Pando Media Booster downloads the files via the file "PMB.exe" and this file would need to be allowed through your firewall to both connect outbound and accept incoming connections.
2. It has a built-in connection tester, you can open Pando Media Booster via its icon in the Control Panel and click on: Advanced Connection Settings -> Test My Connection
3. If you are using any forms of "Download Accellerator" software disable these while Pando is downloading.
4. Once the download has completed successfully and the game is installed, you can either disable** or uninstall "Pando Media Booster" (via the "Add or Remove Programs" (XP) or "Uninstall a Program" (Vista) control panel option). The downloaded game install files can be stored for later use if needed in a reinstallation.
**Pando will, once the download completes, and unless otherwise directed by the user, continue to "seed" the files out which can use bandwidth. If you'd like to disable Pando (to prevent this) rather than remove it entirely this can be done from its Control panel option (Details here by scrolling down to "How do I control Pando Media Booster's options?")
If you have any questions or need any assistance with the download installation or the installation itself contact Technical Support here.
Quit crying, of course you CAN disable it. Nobody can force you to share files
from your PC if you don't want to do so.
I don't see anything about that in the EULA. And no, your bandwidth won't be
affected big time like somebody said. Except if you live in a cave and still use
dial-up connections.
It always amazes me how some people can complain before they see what
actually happens.
I dont know what is this Pando software, I just discuss from what I read... Im willing to test it first, and hope my net connection dont slow down... If so, then I'll have to find a way to dismiss it from my PC
Keep a close eye on your internet connection and WHAT files are uploaded/download from your system... PMB is the worse piece of P2P around
If it can't be disabled or uninstalled and you are FORCED to use it to play Lineage2 my game just ended... I don't want that kind of software on my laptop...
NCSoft is trying it's best to be as disapointing as they can be ?
Seems to me it is time for NCsoft to shut down L2.
U implement **** to lighten the load on your servers.
But doing so u make it harder on your customers.
What about those who have a limit to their download/Upload???
Didn't u think about those people???
Wow is all i gotta say.
Go back to paying servers again so u can afford decent stuff.
As in decent Gm's that can do their jobs properly.
So u got Logs to see what is going on.
And in decent servers.
As it is now it is bad.
Also Voshari not all people got awesome connections Like u have.
Don't slam people for their conserns.
They run Gameguard that don't work.
Was a reason why they removed Gameguard from AION wasn't it.
Don't work.lol.
Now they want us to be a p2p so that they don't have to pay for that part.
Just an FYI for the Pando Media Booster complainers - there is a settings panel for it within your Control Panel where you can reduce its bandwidth usages to effectively 0, tell it not to start when Windows loads etc.
To my recollection, you can basically cripple it to doing nothing by tweaking with the settings. Although I'm not sure what effect this would have on updating your client - I'd have to test it (I'm at work at the moment).
Which is why it should be optional instead of people having to go in and uninstall, or shut down, tweak settings or anything.
Yeah, a good amount of the people complaining can stop PMB from running, tweak settings, ect... however not everyone knows how.
Those are the people I feel for who are forced to have PMB on their computers.
When I use Pando, am I obliged to send files to other Pando users?
No. As a user you have total control over whether you wish to participate in serving content to other users. You may choose to participate in the distribution of files to other users by enabling the peer-to-peer functionality, or you may opt out. By opting out you will likely experience much slower download time for each piece of content that you request. To opt out click the "Account Settings" menu located at the plug-in you installed to join the network, log in using the account you registered with, and change your video quality option to "low."
if you can really turn it off that would be nice
Time to leave.
The door's on the left.
It's funny to see clueless people defending Pando when it's actually going to use their bandwidth in order to save NC money.
Another funny thing is NC's claim that Pando will "omgwtf improve speeds of L2 updates" which were ~1min with previous soft.
Seriously, just get out of this business.
It's even funnier to see clueless people complaining.
Seriously, just find another game.
It simply uses our bandwidth to share update files between ourselves, for example if someone donwload the entire game with NC launcher it will download from all of us instead of NC servers, that way they save money using our connections. :)
You can implement third party rootkits but you cant temporarily turn off character creation/account creation? You can covertly implement third party rootkits but you can't solve server issues after 2 weeks? You can secretly and without our consent implement third party root kits in order to save on bandwidth costs but you still get to waste ncsoft's resources? We don't need 3 redundant community managers to tell us they don't know and that they are sorry and to wait a week! I can't believe you would brazenly lie to our faces like this. First you disable the launcher and force us into the plaync one. Now you are forcing more garbage onto us.
Still waiting on that compensation announcement for 2 weeks of trouble! Don't need updates on fansite kits and rootkit additions to help you save money when we cant even play!
OKay ppl plz stop!!!
PMB option.
· Check/Uncheck the option to start Pando Media Booster with your computer. ----------------------------------------------------Uncheck
· Manage cache: Set cache size, view the amount of cache used or clear cache---------------------------------dont touch this it'S useless
· Shut down Pando Media Booster (Will remain off until you turn it on or restart the computer) --------------after every update
· Set Advanced Connection Settings----------do what you want ehre
· Adjust upload speeds ----------you can set to 0
· Change Pando's default port --------if non of above worked change to a useless port and block it.
· Adjust Proxy settings-------------if you have a proxy...
I use my iphone tethering as primary source of internet. I am allowed 6gb a month & its enough to play this game & do some light browsing. I will not dump another $40/month just to play l2 with a regular connection.
Many of my peers also use the same setup. In canada the new crtc rules mean i have to choose from a prepacked tier for dsl or cable with like 20 or 60gb. That will go fast unless i can turn off this pando crap.
http://bilder.chrischan.schokokeks.org/2790-1/pando.jpg
Could anyone be so nice as to explain to me what kind of restart they mean? ;)
Because after shutting down pando and looking at the settings again the advanced uploads settings box was unchecked again and he gives me the same popup every time, no matter what i try.
*edit* even tried rebooting my pc now, no results whatsoever
This is correct, the Pando Media Booster was implemented today and it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher (including maintenances and entire game updates). We will announce more details about this tomorrow.
So we have no choice to add this junk program ?
We wont be able to play if we don't ?
I ask because once i've downloaded a game using pando i then delete the **** thing once client is installed.
My ISP doesn't like Peer2peer :eek:
Like Deathcoil says we need to be able to turn this crap off.
NCSoft just opened themselves up for a LOT of user hate...
In countries like Australia where we have to pay a stupidly high premium for our internet connections MANY ISPs charge for excess bandwidth which includes uploads and downloads... You now could have uneducated users accidently getting bills which could EASILY hit $1000+ if they have a really bad internet deal yet a decently fast connection...
Really shows a total lack of knowledge about how the rest of the world works in regards to the web... Typical management decision with ZERO true educated thought going into it...
Just end the bloody pmb.exe task after updating your client and just stop crying about it. It's simple.
And don't worry, there will still be plenty of peers for you to download from when you want to update, because 95% of the halfwits using computers these days shouldn't even be allowed to go anywhere near one, and will have no idea how to end the task, and even if they do they won't stop it from executing on startup.
There should be an IQ test instead of a login screen when you turn on a computer.
Make a "Guide how to manage pando" then if your so intelligent instead of whinging like a moron :o
No you wont lag because of media booster. People seriously overreact to awesome applications like Pando.. Pando is awesome it allows me to download at 5+megs per second on my 40mbps connection..
I have 3 seperate pc's on my connection with pando installed and it never lags me. People just like to cry about everything thats why consoles exist for noobs like these whiners.
I'm glad you have a 40Mbps connection.....full-duplex, even?
Mine is a 7Mbps and I have only 512kbps for upload. I do not want ANYTHING to interfere with L2 while I'm playing!!!!
Nor I want anything to interfer with my connection at all unless I really want it to. There's a reason why they sell software firewalls.
I can understand the usage of a P2P client to distribute patches - it really is more efficient overall (not necessarily for any single use case though) if done right. However ...
1. Why Pando instead of a BitTorrent client (like WoW, FF XIV and several others are using)? BitTorrent has more choice, is an open standard, and has near-optimal bandwidth utilisation. Also, there are free and efficient implementations of the BT protocol available from multiple sources (don't be stupid like Square-Enix and roll your own, please ...)
2. Why is it the only way to patch? Why not additionally create a binary patch of the changes, wrap it with an auto-installer, and allow people to download that too? There are tools which can make such wrapped binary patches automatically ... Not everyone has the right kind of connection for a P2P client.
I use my iphone tethering as primary source of internet. I am allowed 6gb a month & its enough to play this game & do some light browsing. I will not dump another $40/month just to play l2 with a regular connection.
Many of my peers also use the same setup. In canada the new crtc rules mean i have to choose from a prepacked tier for dsl or cable with like 20 or 60gb. That will go fast unless i can turn off this pando crap.
You can make it not start up with windows so it won't affect you.
well i guess it will not affect me in any way, cause internet in Lithuania is considered one of the best in the world and
/brag_ON
i can upload/download as much as i want with my unlimited fiber optics 60mbps for 20$
/brag_OFF
even so i checked what i can do if i dont like it, so right after L2 client got updated and launched, i just killed poor Panda in task manager and doubt that it will affect my gameplay in any way
The point is that a bunch of crying idiots think they matter. If you don't want it to affect you, it doesn't affect you.
It's really just as simple and straightforward as that.
Want to cry about privacy concerns? Go try to look something up on wikipedia right now.
Afraid that this will cause security concerns for you or others? Go tell everyone to stop using facebook and it's ilk.
You all sound like a bunch of sniveling children. Waaaahh wahhhhh omg wahhhhh.
The point of people complaining about this is it's just another ****** thing topped on an already ****** reputation. Granted I've been known to defend NCSoft and give them the benefit of the doubt, but this one is pushing it.
It has nothing to do about people being idiots, stupid and so forth here -- so there is no reason to start name calling (Which I find rather odd that you sit here and call people idiots, yet go on about how others are acting like children).
It's smart to have a seeding program, especially with larger files, the issue is that it's going to harm the majority of the non-tech savvy community and we've already got Gameguard and other stuff as, not to mention it's a nuisance regardless of technical capability.
However I don't honestly believe it, but it honestly appears that NCSoft is purposely attempting to disappoint people. Pando, like Gameguard, has a horrible track record -- if not worse.
Basically they're throwing fuel on an open fire. They should have waited strategically to introduce this.
By the way, i just talked to my friend about this, he can change his settings without any problems.
Turns out he had the program installed already and has an older version of pando, his version number is 2.3.6.0 while we all got 2.6.0.1.
I wonder if this means our Version is bugged or deliberately changed to refuse these changes ^^
*edit* after deinstalling PMB the nclauncher does not start downloading it again and lets you run the game without complains, so i guess ill wait to next maintenance and see if the launcher will want to install it again then.
Seriously, what's all the deal about this anyway?
you have either 3 options to make the game run w/o seeding stuff.
1- start the game via l2.bin inside the system folder (open a cmd with admin rights and type "start l2.bin" when you are inside the system folder)
2- if the above step is too complicated, just rename l2.bin to l2.exe and run that.
3- if you do not want to have pmb running, just kill the **** process in the first place! oO
If you don't know what the process name is just search your task manager processes for pmb.exe
If you want to take it to the next level of somewhat lazyness to kill a process, just make a batch file that kills the pmb process and runs l2.bin as admin.
problem solved... just let it run when you update, when you dont need it, kill it... You guys talk like omg-wtf-I-have-no-control-over-my-computah! rofl
Ah how generous of NCsoft they are making us install this Pando so that our downloads of their patches will be easier. Oh wait, their patches are usually 2 - 20 mb in size and take a few seconds. Could there be another reason why they put this crap on our pc? Yes! They want US to upload the whole 11 GB game client to other people so that THEY earn money from nccoins and don't spend anything on client downloading bandwidth.
The deal is ... we shouldn't be FORCED to install this crapware on our computer !
Of course there are ways to block it ... that's not even the point, we shouldn't have to block anything.
is bloatware
has close-to-none encryption of sent packets
is considered illegal after ACTA went online - congratulations, NC, you became pirates, you bloody morons!
will cause more people to experience lags just because your muckworm marketing pro-failers would rather invest in BS-CrapShop and server transfers instead of proper server uplinks
Pando Networks may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant Pando Networks permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii)communicate to Pando information pertaining to transfer statistics and your ability to access the System; and (iii) download to your computer software updates and data related to the operation of Pando Media Booster (PMB).
I'm happy to say i will download PMB into a sandbox, run it there, install the game update and block it permanently. Just so your poor servers would have to cope with one more non-PMB connection.
Also: i'm really hoping you will cut the crap and allow GW2 to come out - your pitifull Blade&Soul won't be any competition at all, even if it comes out few months earlier - you simply haven't got nor the brains nor the respect for your customers to become a real gaming company.
It was already utilizing 100% of my upload bandwidth when I noticed things were SLOW. I shut it down and came to the forums but this thread had already been started.
Edit: Created a copy of my L2 shortcut and edited the target line. No more Pando until the next patch.
Also: i'm really hoping you will cut the crap and allow GW2 to come out - your pitifull Blade&Soul won't be any competition at all, even if it comes out few months earlier - you simply haven't got nor the brains nor the respect for your customers to become a real gaming company.
Why in holy heck would anyone play another ncsoft game?
A lot of free games ask you to install bloatware, ads or other things.
I don't like those kind of software, but i cannot blame them.
I really don't like those software.
So you can do as i do.
With virtualbox i have a virtualized copy of my computer.
On this copy i put all this kind of software and i try other software before installing on my real pc.
When i saw pando this evening ( gmt +1 ) i said... "nooooo...."
So i started my virtual machine, i installed ncsoft launcher on my virtual machine.
I shared my lineage2 folder with it.
I installed pando media booster there and told ncsoft launcher that lineage 2 was in the shared folder.
Then i updated lineage 2.
At the end of that i shutted down the virtual machine.
My pc is clean as before, lineage 2 is updated.
That's all.
I totally felt like i shooted with a plasma gun on a mosquito, but at least i didn't have to clean the wall after it!.
Calm down, read pando FAQ. This junk at least has control panel applet where you can stop it, disable autostart and limit upload bandwidth.
You can't set it to 0. Even 1 kb/sec is too much. I don't want my internet connection and pc to help ncsoft in any way whatsoever. Im hoping their servers catch on fire.
Calm down, read pando FAQ. This junk at least has control panel applet where you can stop it, disable autostart and limit upload bandwidth.
Oh, but of course, all the options work correctly, turning PMB off doesn't start it again and swine do fly.
I am not qute sure about swine (never tested it), but if I do not see PMD.exe in the process list ater reboot I assume it not autostarts. Force a game update and check PMB again.
well you can set pretty much everything, what is needed in settings, or even turn off pbmYes, you can do that. Those settings, however, aren't permanent. I'd suggest reading on PMB and all the issues it causes players in many other games.
Yes, you can do that. Those settings, however, aren't permanent. I'd suggest reading on PMB and all the issues it causes players in many other games.
Of course it starts when you trigger game update. Launcher uses it to download files. But it not starts when update not needed. And after launcher upade the game you can turn it off via cintrol panel applet (small power button), you even do not need to reboot.
Change the mandatory to optional, and reward players that actively seed to help out the community by giving them either NCoins per amount of data/goals or ingame accessories that they can show off with.
It is obvious the owners of the Pando blah blah program payed to NCSoft the completely useless and actually hurting the game program to be bundled. You can expect in the next few months all kind of shareware programs, scammers, mailers, pop-up, toolbars etc to be added to the launcher (that's why the NCSoft launcher was introduced anyway).
Guys help me if you can, I get error when I open the launcher, it says:
- I dont have Pando, if I try to click install it gives me an arror.
What I did before:
- Added some ports to firewall (not helped)
- Updated my windows (not helped)
- Downloaded a free version of Pando (not helped)
- Deleted the free version of Pando (not helped)
I have restarted my pc about 5-6 times, tried the launcher update about 30-40 times and still cant get it.
Also, I cant see program called "Pando" at my programs, and also cant find Pando in my registry.
Waiting for suggestions, thank you
Edit: Problem solved, I was angry and just constantly started launcher, for the 938475 times it started to install this **** lol
explain this **** to me please:
after installing pando I cant update my lineage2 anymore.. it starts updating process and then stops at some random % and then thats it, not responding and nothing will happen.
If this is the straw that broke the camel's back and you would rather freak out on the forums than learn how to work within the system... send me all your in-game items before you emoplugpull.
SERIOUSLY NCSOFT STOP FORCING ME TO PUT **** ON MY PC... is this even secure? media booster i don't need this crap i don't want it, why can't i just update my game like normal without what ever this extra crap is...
i don't even feel like i can trust this "pando networks" crap... why must you make me use this garbage.
You don't have to allow Pando to do anything. You can do one of two things. You can tweak the settings to restrict it OR remove the entire thing off your hard drive. If you remove it you'll have to reinstall it once a week to get updates and repeat removal. It's just "bloatware" that acts like a vampire to your internet connection because it's constantly sharing L2 files for others to download. All this did was add problems on top of problems. 8+ hours of maint today and Chronos is still screwed up, the light event is still there,shots aren't working and the pets are still ******ed and don't recognize the new buffs.
You don't have to allow Pando to do anything. You can do one of two things. You can tweak the settings to restrict it OR remove the entire thing off your hard drive. If you remove it you'll have to reinstall it once a week to get updates and repeat removal. It's just "bloatware" that acts like a vampire to your internet connection because it's constantly sharing L2 files for others to download.
I removed the Pando permission in the firewall to access the net but when at the update it probably will rewrite it.
I am too sleepy now to experiment but if I delete the installation folder w/o uninstalling it maybe the registry entries will be enough for the updater to work w/o really having the Pongo BS installed.
This is correct, the Pando Media Booster was implemented today and it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher (including maintenances and entire game updates). We will announce more details about this tomorrow.
Pando will only improve download speeds etc if it frigging installs on my system...GG Error 0 (Unknown Error).
Seriously Sace, how you want I give you money if you no let me play...
I am sorry, I will NOT Download this software to play this game. I suggest you switch to Torrents NCsoft because you can Openly and Knowingly TURN OFF Torrents Easily.
Pando is complete crap.
I am not paying more for bandwidth just to play a free game.
I'll still find a way to play, but Not Through PMB.
"EDIT" However out of interest I will try it. But so far I do not like it.
it is very annoying that they implemented this Requirement to use Pando.
i personally don't trust it.
so i have yet to download the pando, so i cannot start my game :(
i will continue not playing until someone has devised a work around for it, or nc realizes how silly it is to ask people to download a program like this.
Pando is not equal to NC launcher.
NC launcher which does advertise is a self contained platform for running NCsoft games. it is not a hidden program running in your background.
Pando to me is like a Virus.
and i will not infect my computer with a Virus.
i can't find L2.exe, or L2.bin on my computer.
i have hidden files visible.
i've done a manual search, and i've done a search through the search functions.
Pando isn't a virus. The Problem is it runs silently on your computer until you remove it via the Control panel etc. In the end it does eat up bandwidth and ram of those whos computer might be a few years old.
Right now I am keeping a watch on this program for right now. So far it acts as a torrent however what irks me is it runs on your computer when your NOT playing L2 or even have L2 launcher running.
I'd have no problem with the software if it would TURN OFF when not in use.
So if I ask my neighbors 7 year old kid if I can take all the gasoline out of his parents car does that mean it is legal because the kid gave me permission even though his parents are the ones who bought it?
Is this much different then Pando taking bandwidth by having children click yes on their install?
This is correct, the Pando Media Booster was implemented today and it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher (including maintenances and entire game updates). We will announce more details about this tomorrow.
The player base needs a complete explanation from Ncsoft as to why they are slipping this in under the radar.
I ran the update as I was supposed to, but it stopped at 97%. So I hit cancel.
And now I can't even open NCSoft Launcher without it freezing 4 seconds afterwards.
Is there a way to repair the update without re-installing the WHOLE THING? (I tried repairing the launcher itself, but that doesn't work, it has to be the game).
Gathered some info about it, and here's the result - an small explanation about how to throttle PMB to its minimum.
In ie. Windows7:
1. Go to your Control Panel (Start menu -> Control Panel)
2. Click the "Pando Media Booster" icon.
3. Go to advanced settings (it's a blue link in the ~middle of the window).
4. Activate "Limit upload speeds to" and set it to 1KB/s or to as much as you like it to share of your connection at any given time.
Result is that it should throttle it to be less active and not use that much bandwidth.
PS. You cannot set it to 0KB/s and thereby deactivate it - it will just give you a error message.
And to NCWest .. You can force the installation down on us, but please think before launching/requiring stuff like that (PMB) .. for some people, that are limited to connections with up/down limits it's really not a smart move and you should make a F.A.Q. or simply just a small guide on how to prevent people from getting billed for extra traffic by their ISP's.
As I said, you don't pay their bills, which means, you can't force them to use software like this to it's maximum to prevent your own bills to rise.
If your LineageII game is stored on the default path from the installation, you should be able to find the L2.bin file here:
32bit system: C:\Program Files\NCSoft\Lineage II\System
64bit system: C:\Program Files (x86)\NCSoft\Lineage II\System
What you want to accomplish by not keeping your game client uptodate, i don't know - but what i do know, they are most likely going to enforce version checks (if they do not already) and thereby just kick/disconnect you from the server when trying to login with an un-updated client.
Gathered some info about it, and here's the result - an small explanation about how to throttle PMB to its minimum.
In ie. Windows7:
1. Go to your Control Panel (Start menu -> Control Panel)
2. Click the "Pando Media Booster" icon.
3. Go to advanced settings (it's a blue link in the ~middle of the window).
4. Activate "Limit upload speeds to" and set it to 1KB/s or to as much as you like it to share of your connection at any given time.
Result is that it should throttle it to be less active and not use that much bandwidth.
PS. You cannot set it to 0KB/s and thereby deactivate it - it will just give you a error message.
And to NCWest .. You can force the installation down on us, but please think before launching/requiring stuff like that (PMB) .. for some people, that are limited to connections with up/down limits it's really not a smart move and you should make a F.A.Q. or simply just a small guide on how to prevent people from getting billed for extra traffic by their ISP's.
As I said, you don't pay their bills, which means, you can't force them to use software like this to it's maximum to prevent your own bills to rise.
problem is, if you limit it to 10 kb/s and it opens 100 connections, limiting to 1kb/s will allow it to open up 1000 connections. it's so bad that ncsoft tried to ninja this in, with barely an announcement and a horrible faq.
"Why was "Pando Media Booster" installed on my computer?
Pando Media Booster was installed on your system when you downloaded a Pando Media Booster supported application, such as Lineage II."
yeah that really explains why it was installed. honestly, the installation and update this week is so bugged and glitchy that i can't even update, so meh!
If your LineageII game is stored on the default path from the installation, you should be able to find the L2.bin file here:
32bit system: C:\Program Files\NCSoft\Lineage II\System
64bit system: C:\Program Files (x86)\NCSoft\Lineage II\System
What you want to accomplish by not keeping your game client uptodate, i don't know - but what i do know, they are most likely going to enforce version checks (if they do not already) and thereby just kick/disconnect you from the server when trying to login with an un-updated client.
Who told you they were going to do that? People have been modding their game clients for years and I haven't heard of anyone getting banned over this. They even stickied a post about modding the client to utilize 4gb of memory instead of 2gb to reduce crashes until they realized it was against their eula and took the post down. (I haven't actually had client crashes so I have no need to modify anything.)
that's funny...
them saying oh, we're not 100% efficient, you can do what we do better...
oh wait? that's against our rules, let's just pretend we didn't say anything.
Who told you they were going to do that? People have been modding their game clients for years and I haven't heard of anyone getting banned over this. They even stickied a post about modding the client to utilize 4gb of memory instead of 2gb to reduce crashes until they realized it was against their eula and took the post down. (I haven't actually had client crashes so I have no need to modify anything.)
*.ini file mods doesn't change the version number of the client! ;) keep it real man.. and no, I haven't heard anyone getting banned - other than from people having disabled GameGuard for various reasons, resulting in a cool standard email from NCWest about enabling it again, otherwise it might result in a ban.
*.ini file mods doesn't change the version number of the client! ;) keep it real man.. and no, I haven't heard anyone getting banned - other than from people having disabled GameGuard for various reasons, resulting in a cool standard email from NCWest about enabling it again, otherwise it might result in a ban.
Although with their thought processes I could totally see them banning people for this. lol
I wouldn't shed a tear about anyone losing their accounts for making modifications or other "illegal" actions against their client. In fact, there's too many people on the servers anyway .. 100 here, 100 there .. WTF .. no one would notice it :)
i wouldn't shed a tear about anyone losing their accounts for making modifications or other "illegal" actions against their client. In fact, there's too many people on the servers anyway .. 100 here, 100 there .. Wtf .. No one would notice it :)
Just become a leecher, install the program and then block it with a firewall, I did it! the progam is installed and have no way to send data anywhere. make us use that man datory is completelly unethical, I dont care what the EULA says, we dont want some program to be sendin data or using OUR upstream bandwidth.
A lot of free games ask you to install bloatware, ads or other things.
I don't like those kind of software, but i cannot blame them.
I really don't like those software.
So you can do as i do.
With virtualbox i have a virtualized copy of my computer.
On this copy i put all this kind of software and i try other software before installing on my real pc.
When i saw pando this evening ( gmt +1 ) i said... "nooooo...."
So i started my virtual machine, i installed ncsoft launcher on my virtual machine.
I shared my lineage2 folder with it.
I installed pando media booster there and told ncsoft launcher that lineage 2 was in the shared folder.
Then i updated lineage 2.
At the end of that i shutted down the virtual machine.
My pc is clean as before, lineage 2 is updated.
That's all.
I totally felt like i shooted with a plasma gun on a mosquito, but at least i didn't have to clean the wall after it!.
Ok, I have a cheap solution to bypass that **** PMB.
Just run your launcher without start L2.
Go in parameter > Automatics Updates > Disabled Automatics Updates > Valid your changes > and Close the launcher.
Run it again, wait some fews seconds and just clic on the arrown on the right of Lineage 2 and clic on repair.
The launcher will verify all your L2's files '( sic ) and download the update.
Or you can simply uninstall it.
At least thats what I did. Lets see now how will this affect me.
Will I have to install it again in the next update?We'll see.
I uninstalled it too just after the update, it don't ask me to reinstall it.
I don't trust such programs who ninja my bandwith and stuff, and do things on my PC i'm not aware. The fact that I wasn't aware of why I had to install it, and didn't have the choice helped much on this way. Hope they won't do that with GW2 -.-
I totally removed it from my computer and I don't understand the big fuss about it. I can still run the game. Noone obligates you to have it.
I did the same and now i dont have lag. After yesterday's update i experienced HUGE delay/lag. I tryied everything and every option about this PANDO **** - no change and i gave up. When i woke up today i just uninstaled this program, restarted my PC and loged in, the result: => NO LAG. All of you just Uninstall this program and you will no more suffer from it. Noone can tell you what to install on your PC, i repeat NOONE. And if they want to do that, there is always an option :) Just like original windows for example, i mean who pays for Sofware .... only noobs
Amusement: It always amazes me how people scream and shout about third party apps and privacy, when they give permission to any farmwille-type of game crunch through their social network profile or let Facebook monitor their wall and give results to companies doing pre-election screening. Get your computer HW and usage data? How many of you voluntarily clicked on "submit my configuration" in Steam or "collect usage statistics" in Firefox? How many of you use Android or Apple phone and install apps that send your contacts and localization data Shilen knows where?
Though I am upset at NC as well. I like to have control over my PC, I am not keen consumer using Apple computer where certain companie(s) know what's best for you. I want to clearly know what's installed, what is it doing, what kind of data it sends etc. Then I consider if I voluntarily submit to it or not. I do not mind sharing game files with others (after all I have participated in community-driven torrents when updating to C4 or Interlude etc.) but I want Company to be clear about it and let ME decide.
What if I agree with NC's Terms of use, but not with other company's because they may break laws of country I live in?
And have you thought of BFUs who are glad they have enough skill to install game and teamspeak, unfortunately are on limited monthly plan and have no clue they have to tweak or kill PMB.exe? This should had been clearly communicated first like gameguard announcement.
Anyway, maybe I am just lucky but it seems Pando's control panel is working for me. It does not start with Windows only when invoked from NC Launcher. I throttled it to reasonable amount of upload and moved to lowest priority QoS queue on my router.
I Do not trust pando. It hides itself in your control panel and forces you to go through a process to ccess the pando setting. From experience this behaviour is malware. I've blocked and modified the settings. However I will say that installers beware. First sign of securom bullcrap and I'm out of this game for good.
So much trolling/raging about this PMB that i almost believed that the world will end.
I'm amazed how many players have the knowledge to install/play such a complex game but they are TOTAL ******s when it comes to stop/delete/uninstall a program.
So, lets make it simple, after updating the game/installing PMB
1. go to Control Panell - Add/Remove Programs -> Pando Media Booster = Uninstall
2. START-> Command Promt and type MSCONFIG -> select StartUp -> unceck PMB.exe = problem solved.
:rolleyes:So much trolling/raging about this PMB that i almost believed that the world will end.
I'm amazed how many players have the knowledge to install/play such a complex game but they are TOTAL ******s when it comes to stop/delete/uninstall a program.
So, lets make it simple, after updating the game/installing PMB
1. go to Control Panell - Add/Remove Programs -> Pando Media Booster = Uninstall
2. START-> Command Promt and type MSCONFIG -> select StartUp -> unceck PMB.exe = problem solved.
Not everyone is disputing that.
What most people are complaining about is the SHEER stupidity, and cheek of NCSoft SILENTLY Installing a 3rd party program, without letting you know, a one that they say you NEED to have on your computer, a program that does more good thn bad. They have NOT even put this in the installation process notes, or a yes/no option. Not even a terms and conditions of it.
Yet, they expect us to use a program that does more bad than good. Really, good one NCSoft. Sorry, but i'm not using this. NCSoft can go shove it up their bellends. Emulation FTW! :rolleyes::cool:
well, why Ncsoft make PMB a MUST to play lineage? remove that thing, make it optional , lots of ppl having problem instaling PMB, when they install PMB, some of then get low internet perfomance, other cant finish update, other simply cant even download PMB becouse its not compatible with windows 7 64bits(my case), come on think a little, you really messed things on L2, whos in favor say yes to get rid of PMB!
Amusement: It always amazes me how people scream and shout about third party apps and privacy, when they give permission to any farmwille-type of game crunch through their social network profile or let Facebook monitor their wall and give results to companies doing pre-election screening. Get your computer HW and usage data? How many of you voluntarily clicked on "submit my configuration" in Steam or "collect usage statistics" in Firefox? How many of you use Android or Apple phone and install apps that send your contacts and localization data Shilen knows where?None whatsoever. Social media you've mentioned are nothing but disease for me, absolutely no piece of software is allowed to send my hardware info, PC programs are not allowed to gather and/or send any kind of statistics/information/blahblah and my handset is running a custom cut, firewalled ROM. The only packets i'm allowing to go out are the ones i want to go out.
Though I am upset at NC as well. I like to have control over my PC, I am not keen consumer using Apple computer where certain companie(s) know what's best for you. I want to clearly know what's installed, what is it doing, what kind of data it sends etc. Then I consider if I voluntarily submit to it or not. I do not mind sharing game files with others (after all I have participated in community-driven torrents when updating to C4 or Interlude etc.) but I want Company to be clear about it and let ME decide.I concur, no company should force a user to install a third-party piece of software, especially when the software mentioned bears all marks of a malware.
And have you thought of BFUs who are glad they have enough skill to install game and teamspeak, unfortunately are on limited monthly plan and have no clue they have to tweak or kill PMB.exe? This should had been clearly communicated first like gameguard announcement.NCSoft/NCWest/NCWhatever never has, is not and probably never will treat its customers fair. It's "my way or the highway", as they say.
it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher
By leaching bandwidth from other peoples internet connections..
As far as I'm concerned and most people that hate pando, pando is a malware program used to steal your bandwidth so others can leach off you..
Be lucky that it at least asks you if you want to install it, or just not play L2 at all.. Most games install it automatically in the background without you ever noticing, untill the next day when your internet connection is *****'d and you go to check why and notice that the background process pando is taking all your bandwidth.. Just to disable it, then delete it, and the next time you start up the game, it reinstalls it, again without you ever knowing and continues to steal your bandwidth..
Every game I've ever played that updated to this malware I've deleted and never went back to.. Now that L2 is, I'm considering doing the same.. For the love of your game get rid of this PoS program.. Or be considered lost to me, and potentially thousands of other people..
If you ask me pando should be illegal, companies use pando so that they don't have to pay much money for their own bandwidth and computers to host said files, instead it uses the players computers and bandwidth that they pay for to host said files..
Allright guys as title says i have problem with PMB...
So i just wanted to play Lineage 2,since i runned NCsoft Launcher the window pops up,so i readed something about this problem and yeah i installed Pando Media Booster since i wanted to try out "LoL" but when i saw it installed this program which isn't usefull to me i deleted LoL and PMB...
And i also saw that Lineage 2 is "Downloading",i left it like that about 1h nothing happens...So if anyone can tell me how do i fix this please give me reply...thanks
By the way i took a screenshot just in case :)
I deactivated pando media booster via the control panel, then after a reboot I went there again to check if it kept the settings I entered (like "1KB max upload limit"), of course it did not keep those settings (still no max upload limit, so it will probably take all it can get). Also, it started itself right after I just looked at the control panel, and task manager says that one of the first things it contacted on the internet is "facebook.com" :D (I don't use facebook, so that connection can't somehow have come from myself). Guess either someone at facebook is downloading L2 patches, or (more likely) they contact facebook.com to cross-reference the connections and to find out who the person behind this computer is...
I do not think they are cross-referencing to user's data since facebook does not provide this type of service for third parties (yet :-) ) Any "Like" button on any page contacts Facebook BTW, same with Twitter, Google etc.
well, why Ncsoft make PMB a MUST to play lineage? remove that thing, make it optional , lots of ppl having problem instaling PMB, when they install PMB, some of then get low internet perfomance, other cant finish update, other simply cant even download PMB becouse its not compatible with windows 7 64bits(my case), come on think a little, you really messed things on L2, whos in favor say yes to get rid of PMB!
Ps: Sry for my english :D
PMB isn't a must to play,but you have to use it to update..then just remove it.
And the question is still ... why does it contact facebook at all, it's just supposed to download stuff and distribute it to other l2 players. Guess I will just uninstall it everytime after I download a new l2 patch, sorry, not willing to keep this software on my pc, even if it would help other players download faster.
I have to keep uninstalling and reinstalling PMB just to make some progress. It's on patch 10 of 21.
It had no problem yesterday, I had it downloading up to 50% then I shut it down, and then today it downloaded all the way to 99%, and now is having issues.
So ... you can change settings for Pando...
or uninstall it after update.
But my question is:
How you protect my pc / client from downloading ******** / PVP cheats stuff from others players through pando? (i suppose that these programs are changing some L2 files / or inside the L2 folder)
P. S. : Is the Screenshot / Replay folder also shared?
This is correct, the Pando Media Booster was implemented today and it will greatly improve all Lineage II download speeds from the NCsoft launcher (including maintenances and entire game updates). We will announce more details about this tomorrow.
Amusement: It always amazes me how people scream and shout about third party apps and privacy, when they give permission to any farmwille-type of game crunch through their social network profile or let Facebook monitor their wall and give results to companies doing pre-election screening. Get your computer HW and usage data? How many of you voluntarily clicked on "submit my configuration" in Steam or "collect usage statistics" in Firefox? How many of you use Android or Apple phone and install apps that send your contacts and localization data Shilen knows where?
I don't use facebook, I never agree to programs scanning my PC and sending data, I delete programs that still try. So there's nothing to be amused about here.
Now, NC is a company and as such first and foremost concerned about making money. When they see an opportunity to make a few dollars extra they will take that. I get that. I don't get that they install a 3rd party application on my computer without asking me and I don't get that they chose a Pando over other P2P methods that are out there. Pando has a horrible track record so far.
The problem isn't that you can disable it quite easily, the problem is that most people don't know what Pando is and what is does. Pando will suck their bandwith and share their information with the highest bidder WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
And finally, just recently my AntiVir contacted me with a nice little message. http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4181/pando.jpg
So, NC, not only do you force us to install something without even asking, you force us to install malware? Maybe next patch don't cheap**** around, instead go all out and install some trojans on OUR computers.
The only thing we, the community, can do about crap like that is share the awareness. Tell people how to get rid of pando after a patch, ***** and cry on the forums. It's YOUR computer that gets infested with malware and it's YOUR private information NC sells to the internet.
I don't use facebook, I never agree to programs scanning my PC and sending data, I delete programs that still try. So there's nothing to be amused about here.
etc.
Yes, I applaud people that do this. Unfortunately those are desperate minority, and many computer users (and even admins!) just lack basic comprehension of data security or at least common sense. Then you get incidents like security breaches in companies or at least hacked game accounts.
Make a .bat file with "taskkill /im pmb.exe /f" and run it after windows starts or manually (ref. to Nya).
Still not happy about this garbage NCwest your software is garbage...pando media booster freaking please....... forcing me to install it absolutely unacceptable. asking me if i would like to try it on a trial basis and having it work out for the better sure i wouldn't be so ******..
but shoving this **** down my throat doesn't work for me now i have to go through the trouble of uninstalling this crap, reinstalling it ever update only to uninstall this malware which god knows what its really doing sitting there idle in my processes..
FFS we want a new management company this is just about as horrible as l2 has been since it was dead except we got a nice new update and even worse service.
The only solution here is to not play at all.. Once they see the massive drop of people not logging in then they'll get the picture.. They'll lose more money from tons of people not playing, than they would spend on bandwidth costs..
Great, more bloatware I have to install everytime I play a game and then have to immediately uninstall. Poor choice in P2P update partners.
Easy do as I did, use any firewall program and after insatall PMB go and forbid any upstream of the pando media booster, the PMB can only download to my system but cant upload anything to anywhere ;)
Just as a small update, that piece of crap also silently installs a Firefox plugin. It should default to disabled on newer versions of Firefox due to Firefox's policy change for such drive-by installs, but it doesn't hurt to check (Tools -> Add-ons, then the "Plugins" tab).
EDIT: Also, I disassembled and partially decompiled PMB.exe, and it pulls a bit of data from the registry, but not anything related to outgoing rate limits. At least not for version 2.6.0.1. My guess is that it simply doesn't work.
One is your interpretation, the other is just purely made up. Do you have the slightest proof of this? I didn't think so.
Of course it's everyone's own interpretation as to what makes a program malware, but I trust my antivirus software more than NC. And Pando does collect your data. http://www.pandonetworks.com/products
From their own homepage. Google "Pando Spyware" if you want more. Fine example is here in this thread where someone suddenly had his PC connect to facebook after installing pando, even though he didn't ever use facebook.
Pando is a cheap P2P alternative because they make their money from selling user data.
Before accusing someone of having no evidence and feeling all high and mighty about it you might want to see if that evidence isn't available with 5 seconds in google...
Just as a small update, that piece of crap also silently installs a Firefox plugin. It should default to disabled on newer versions of Firefox due to Firefox's policy change for such drive-by installs, but it doesn't hurt to check (Tools -> Add-ons, then the "Plugins" tab).
Thanks for the info. Was NOT disabled in my Firefox 9.0.1.
What most people are complaining about is the SHEER stupidity, and cheek of NCSoft SILENTLY Installing a 3rd party program, without letting you know, a one that they say you NEED to have on your computer, a program that does more good thn bad. They have NOT even put this in the installation process notes, or a yes/no option. Not even a terms and conditions of it.
Am I the only one that received a clear prompt about Pando needing to be installed? On the day the program was implemented, I loaded up NCLauncher and then it prompted me to install Pando. That's far from silent.
Still, the program is stupid. I uninstalled it immediately and didn't have any issues. Once NC catches wind of that though they'll make it so NCLauncher scans for Pando each time it opens... then it'll truly become inconvenient.
Well its not all that bad but is annoying sometimes if you have no clue what the program is.
The NA devs of TERA used it for I think either there 1st or 2nd FGT and asked for feedback and the player base didnt like or wanted to use it so they scraped it for something better to give us faster download speeds with out putting strain on the main servers.................
Again pando isnt that bad people make it out to be BUT NcSoft could look for something thats is better
I don't use facebook, I never agree to programs scanning my PC and sending data, I delete programs that still try. So there's nothing to be amused about here.
Now, NC is a company and as such first and foremost concerned about making money. When they see an opportunity to make a few dollars extra they will take that. I get that. I don't get that they install a 3rd party application on my computer without asking me and I don't get that they chose a Pando over other P2P methods that are out there. Pando has a horrible track record so far.
The problem isn't that you can disable it quite easily, the problem is that most people don't know what Pando is and what is does. Pando will suck their bandwith and share their information with the highest bidder WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
And finally, just recently my AntiVir contacted me with a nice little message. http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4181/pando.jpg
So, NC, not only do you force us to install something without even asking, you force us to install malware? Maybe next patch don't cheap**** around, instead go all out and install some trojans on OUR computers.
The only thing we, the community, can do about crap like that is share the awareness. Tell people how to get rid of pando after a patch, ***** and cry on the forums. It's YOUR computer that gets infested with malware and it's YOUR private information NC sells to the internet.
LOL
you do know it can be a false malware report........
Iv played plenty of games that some of the new patch file/update is flagged and there really isnt anything wrong with it. Maybe go read up on your programs a bit more
LOL
Off to a great start, aren't we. Beginning your post like that makes you look like a (wordfiltered) 14 year old. You can try to avoid giving others this impression in the future by using openers like "about your post..." "you said that..." or even a simple "hello!"
you do know it can be a false malware report........
Iv played plenty of games that some of the new patch file/update is flagged and there really isnt anything wrong with it. Maybe go read up on your programs a bit more
I know that anti-virus and anti-malware software sometimes send false alerts, since they search files and executables for predefined patterns which may also be found in legitimate software.
But as I said, I trust my antivir more than I trust NC or Pando.
Again pando isnt that bad people make it out to be BUT NcSoft could look for something thats is better
Pando scans your computer and your internet connection and sends those informations to who knows who. They even advertise that as a feature on their own website.
That's an illegal invasion of your privacy under most countries' laws unless Pando specifically gets your consent first. That you can disable it with some clicks doesn't matter, they need your expressed consent BEFORE spying.
How would you feel if someone installed a camera in your kitchen "to monitor and gather data about your fridge" for whatever reasons? Would you allow that? Would you really believe that they stop at taking pictures of your fridge? There's reasons why we have laws protecting our privacy, there's reasons why even the police has to get a Judge to decide whether they may or may not search your house, even when you're the prime suspect of a capital crime.
I really don't understand how people can (wordfiltered) away their RIGHTS like that without a second thought other than "LOL".
Learn From Your Audience
Having a presence on the desktop opens many opportunities to learn from your consumers about their experience. With Pando you can unobtrusively deliver content to consumer desktops, track their experience and learn about their environment. Ever wonder what ISP most of your audience users? How is download speed affected by geographic location? Want to know how many times your downloadable media was viewed when your consumers where offline?
I'm not even installing it, no opdates for me anymore I guess...
I'm not even installing it, no opdates for me anymore I guess...
NC does not need this kind of software to get information about their users. It's all easily obtainable from connections to game.
The browser plugin got me angry - isn't that supposed to be disabled according to Firefox patch notes???
I was installing (technically copying) game on another computer and it did not request for Pando anymore. Maybe they pull it, or turn it on during maintenance only?
I already eliminated the pando thing from my computer and i was wondering... when i need to update, pando is going to be installed by itself? Because i dont wanna look for pando in internet and install it myself everytime i need to update.
I already eliminated the pando thing from my computer and i was wondering... when i need to update, pando is going to be installed by itself? Because i dont wanna look for pando in internet and install it myself everytime i need to update.
Automatic ****. Have faith, player, NC will stick it hard up your colon once again.
i am not that technically educated on the use of these type programs...but i do understand Bandwith and from what i am reading this isnt good for those of us that may have a limit set by their ISP. In essence it "Could" potentially cost more to play ( due to fees of ISP) than it did when it was P2P ( 15 bucks a month) So much for F2P...sure the game itself is free but what good is a F2P game when the ISP charges ya more for more bandwith usage and it creates more Lag...who the **** wants to pay for lag...i certainly dont. Well from all the posts i have read (and posted) about these things going on over at NCSoft...all i can conclude is the demise of this game in due time. There are so many ****** off ppl....it may just put an end to NCSoft games period not just Lineage 2
i don't care who that matha****a behind the desk who decide those bs programs..but i do care to be a ******* description of what includes in that malware..and i know u don't like the way i talk but i don't like bs programs like this..also bc i know it the land that u leaving u vote for that sheet..but while the game it's going around the world u should have the option..like for example
u foolish american-install this and (no explanation-no question includes for that program)
ohh u are outside of usa we got 10 method...a rar file..crapy websites and even a fat guy to send it from msn..ohh ya we gotta trust this way more than this crap company that send info to whoever knows...wtf is that for real
I'm wondering if anyone has a problem with this. Should we be worried?
noone will have problem with this in the game atleast..
it's just and only the idea of some1 getting ur info without permission and while ncsoft helps without even to know about it..that make it even more sick
and the big question on that is..a simple uninstall it removes EVERYTHING or we gotta found later some hidden files of that?sace?
i try everything and i cant log.
i close antivairus- i uninstall-install game and pmb and nc lunsher
always stop at 99%. any1 have any idea or i will not play again cos of pmb?
PMB isn't a big deal people. It automatically installs,do updates and remove from PC and DONE. It's not malware. I would say it's more like bloatware,just a annoying thing that can suck bandwith if you don't restrict it or remove it. For those of you who can't get it to install you either have a anti-virus,firewall or an admin setting to set on your computer. Just google PMB and read up instead of posting here all "amagawd you guyz I can't run mah cumputahz!"
PMB isn't a big deal people. It automatically installs,do updates and remove from PC and DONE. It's not malware. I would say it's more like bloatware,just a annoying thing that can suck bandwith if you don't restrict it or remove it. For those of you who can't get it to install you either have a anti-virus,firewall or an admin setting to set on your computer. Just google PMB and read up instead of posting here all "amagawd you guyz I can't run mah cumputahz!"
It adds an unnecessary point of failure to launching L2. If it fails, you can't play. If the launcher fails, you can't play. If GameGuard fails, you can't play. Etc. It's completely unnecessary.
It adds an unnecessary point of failure to launching L2. If it fails, you can't play. If the launcher fails, you can't play. If GameGuard fails, you can't play. Etc. It's completely unnecessary.
And yes, I've blocked it.
I haven't had any problem just letting it auto install,do my updates and remove it. When there's updates it will automatically pop up and install so there's been no guessing if I need it or not. Once in awhile launcher gets stuck loading,but I just close it and start it again and it's fine.
I tried, I can't seem to launch without it asking me to install PMB :/ ....
I'll need to try again, directly with the L2 executable, maybe I only tried the launcher.
I tried, I can't seem to launch without it asking me to install PMB :/ ....
I'll need to try again, directly with the L2 executable, maybe I only tried the launcher.
Well of course you need to install it! And when the upload ends, you just uninstall the program and that's it. Why the drama?
The time you will take to install it and uninstall it will be about 1 minute or 2.
Well of course you need to install it! And when the upload ends, you just uninstall the program and that's it. Why the drama?
The time you will take to install it and uninstall it will be about 1 minute or 2.
I don't want to install it, period.
It is a new and still fairly clean PC, I just don't want it on there, yet.
Of course I can uninstall, but who knows what that leaves behind. Anyways, I was hoping that maybe there was a way to login without doing the updates but I guess there is not, so I guess I won't be playing, for now anyways..
I was worried a bit in installating PMB as mandatory part of the update, but the true come in it wasnt that problem at all, since u can set it to nothing, just making somes adjust in ur pc/firewall... pando is sleeping on my pc, but its a dead program after all :o
by the way, just assume that u can rule your pc and what goes on it, not a program ;)
meh, I caved and installed the darn thing... no problems with updating, went very smooth.
So what you are saying is that you overreacted and threw a hissy fit over nothing? People making all kinds of ridiculous accusations over a simple program that does no harm
So what you are saying is that you overreacted and threw a hissy fit over nothing? People making all kinds of ridiculous accusations over a simple program that does no harm
Running even after it finished the job you started it for and eating your bandwidth (potentially costing you money if you have limits on it or pay per bandwidth used) isn't "nothing".
Sneakily installing extensions for browsers (at least Firefox and IE) which do nothing for the user, but allow them to spy on your web site usage is not "nothing" either.
if you choose in settings of nclauncher for the application to be terminated after l2 run and also create from launcher settings again, a shortcut of the game in your desktop then double clicking the shortcut will run the nclauncher and immediately run l2 and close the nclauncher before the pmb.exe starts running
the only day that the pmb.exe runs is those wednesdays that an update is needed and again when the update finish you go in processes and kill pmb.exe
That's misleading. The executable "PMB.exe" from this program starts when the NCLauncher starts it, to update stuff. Other components of the software packet (like the sneakily installed browser plugins) run at other times too.
That's misleading. The executable "PMB.exe" from this program starts when the NCLauncher starts it, to update stuff. Other components of the software packet (like the sneakily installed browser plugins) run at other times too.
Running even after it finished the job you started it for and eating your bandwidth (potentially costing you money if you have limits on it or pay per bandwidth used) isn't "nothing".
Sneakily installing extensions for browsers (at least Firefox and IE) which do nothing for the user, but allow them to spy on your web site usage is not "nothing" either.
I've had PMB on my system for a while before NC started using it, it has done nothing harmful or used up "all" my bandwidth like you claim, falsely, it does what it needs to do quietly and using as little resources as needed, everything you have claimed is a straight out LIE
Kill it (PMB.exe) from the process explorer right after it does the updating. Never update with anything but the NCSoft Launcher running on the same system - close the browser, e-mail client, IM clients and so on before, restart them after. Deinstall or deactivate the plugins it installs in the browsers.
This isn't 100% secure, but as secure as it gets.
I've had PMB on my system for a while before NC started using it, it has done nothing harmful or used up "all" my bandwidth like you claim, falsely, it does what it needs to do quietly and using as little resources as needed, everything you have claimed is a straight out LIE
* It runs after it updated, unnecessarily. It uses your bandwidth after it has done updating. Both are facts.
* It installs plugins in IE and Firefox. It does that "silently", without ever asking you for permission. Those plug-ins monitor what you're doing online. All of them are facts. The last part is even advertised on the PMB web site (http://www.pandonetworks.com/products):
Having a presence on the desktop opens many opportunities to learn from your consumers about their experience. With Pando you can unobtrusively deliver content to consumer desktops, track their experience and learn about their environment. Ever wonder what ISP most of your audience users? How is download speed affected by geographic location? Want to know how many times your downloadable media was viewed when your consumers where offline?
hey. how to disable pmb? its very easy if u are using windows 7. all u need to do is firs unistall it. then go to your program files and select pando media boster folder by clicking rignht mouse button on it. in a new window select security options. U will see group usernames first is "creator owner" u will need to chose an advance mode for this and then on a new window click on change permisions. change all to deny. do same for "trusted instaler". and then just aplly. all done it will never by instaled again. what u did was changed permisions who can accses folder of Panda media boster. every time u will lunch an update it will say cannot instal pmb. but u will be able to play all your games without it.
Sorry i dont no how to do disable it on Xp or Vista but i think it supose to be same way. all u need is to change permision on a folder by right clicking on it and chosing security options.
u will get two same groups by doing it but no wories because if u have allow and deny accses for a same user group windows will always deny first.
the thing is i don't mind having it on my laptop. but i don't like it then it runs after i finished game. plus i don't no what it does after i'm not playing any more. i was loking in pmb website for disclaimer and whanted to find yout what kind of data it colects but i wasn't been able to find terms and conditions. so just had to find a way to disable it.
Lol i killed PMB.exe and my connections count lowered by ~120
I know some ISPs out there limit connection count, so PMB would pretty much eat all the connections available...
I understand PMB increases download speed of updates by using content from other people's files (pretty much like bittorrent), but my connection isn't that fast so I benefit little to nothing from it.
I would like to have an option to opt out of using PMB entirely, without having to use work arounds like killing the process or blocking it...etc.
really, this was causing terrible lags when I was playing - I'm not sure what it was doing while I was out of game, althoug
simples and fastest way to kill it : http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download - just intall it, go in 'tools', select pmb icon and click 'uninstall button' in the right side and voilà, its done
for more, go 'register' tab/button, click on 'find errors' and mark all entries related with pmb that u see, then click on 'fix errors' button on the right down side, click 'save a copy' then 'ok' again and rr ur PC to make it sure. (note: this will remove plugins/adds/firewall permissions and register entries that pmb had placed in your pc):cool:
downside> u have to do this every time after the maintennance, when launcher will install it again
just install PMB for the update then un-install it once you have the latest version and remove all trace files... you don't need PMB to play L2.
no PMB using up ur connection, problem solved the end.