Double SA

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Hi

Im on the way to create blessed apocalypse dualblunt and i just **** brix when calculated overall cost of double SA, +4, 300 att will be about 2,000,000,000 adena but nvm.

The 2 question i got are :

1. To create double SA i need to do simply SA first, then i get option in BS to create second SA?

2. Does it really need 1156 R gemstones like russian wiki told?!

(I know i need blessed weapon, special soul crystal and go to mammon/ishuma, the only thing i dont know is thase 2 upp)

Ty in advantage.
2nd SA needs another kind of crystal than first and yes it needs alot of R gem
for double SA need only Blessed weapon? i can't add Double SA on bound or normal weapon?
Yes, only blessed weapon can have double SA.
dam trolls, do you see any blessed here (http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1448/shot00077w.jpg)???
Then why all the people say that only on blessed weapons you can add 2 SA? What does the blessed weapon have better then a normal one if you can add 2 SA on a normal one too?
You can add 2 SA even on weps you get from mentor diplomas.
Skelton u sure about that.
I just made a visit to airpad, and only got the option for my Apo Stormer, my Requem duals event, that i got from mentee was not listed.

From what i understand u can get dual SA on all R weapons, except mentee.
Skelton u sure about that.
I just made a visit to airpad, and only got the option for my Apo Stormer, my Requem duals event, that i got from mentee was not listed.

From what i understand u can get dual SA on all R weapons, except mentee.

So is this a bug then? On the description of the weapon it says "Two functions can be bestowed through a rare soul crystal".
So is this a bug then? On the description of the weapon it says "Two functions can be bestowed through a rare soul crystal".
That's probably the issue here.
most likely a typo like the one for Enchanters where it says skills can be used by equipping a dagger when it is a sword..
... Im on the way to create blessed apocalypse dualblunt and i just **** brix when calculated overall cost of double SA, +4, 300 att will be about 2,000,000,000 adena but nvm.

The 2 question i got are :

1. To create double SA i need to do simply SA first, then i get option in BS to create second SA?

2. Does it really need 1156 R gemstones like russian wiki told?!

(I know i need blessed weapon, special soul crystal and go to mammon/ishuma, the only thing i dont know is thase 2 upp) ...

Yes, you need a weapon with a simple SA before you can apply the Rare Soul Crystal. It says that on the tooltip description of the Rare Crystal. Like for example on the Yellow one it says "Bestows a Special Ability to a weapon with a Red Soul Crystal":
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EB%85%B8%EB%9E%80+%EC%A7%91%ED%98%BC%EC%84%9D+-+R%EA%B7%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%B4%EB%93%9C

I don't know about the mentor weapons, but you can bestow a second SA (레어 집혼) both on Blessed and Normal weapons, but not on Bound weapons:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%8C%8C%EB%A9%B8%EC%9D%98+%EC%97%AC%EC%8B%A0+%EC %95%84%EC%9D%B4%ED%85%9C

As far as the Gemstone cost is concerned, this will be severely reduced for R-Grade and R95 in the Harmony update. You will find a table with the "before" and "after" numbers to the left of the second screenshot here:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EB%A0%88%EC%96%B4+%EC%A7%91%ED%98%BC
The problem here is that Harmony came in 3 installments in Korea and the reduction happens in the second installment. So far we don't know whether we will get all three parts rolled in one (like with High Five) or separately. If I were you I would wait until we get more information from NCWest. There is a significant difference whether you have to invest 1161 Gemstones R-Grade or only 224 for your Apocalypse Duals.
224 rgems?
Yea I'll be waiting for sure.
So, does anyone knows for sure if it is, or it isnt possible 2 SA's in a Event weapow?
Double SA can only be added to Standard/Blessed weapon that already have an SA added. Bound and Event items cannot have double SA. The only benefit of Blessed weapons (or armor, for that matter) is they receive an additional boost when enchanted; i.e. more patk/pdef per enchant than the amount given on the enchant scrolls.
Double SA can only be added to Standard/Blessed weapon that already have an SA added. Bound and Event items cannot have double SA. The only benefit of Blessed weapons (or armor, for that matter) is they receive an additional boost when enchanted; i.e. more patk/pdef per enchant than the amount given on the enchant scrolls.

Ty for info.

A very noob question: If i craft a weapow, it will be standard or blessed. no way to get it bound, right?

I never took a look at R recipes. Is it faster craft, or try full drop from bosses? low R grade is ok for me.
If you craft something R-grade, it will always be Unidentified.
If you craft something R-grade, it will always be Unidentified.

if you craft somthing r grade it can be : normal/blessed/unidentified .
And for what reason the name on recipes is always "Recipe: Unidentified Random Item (60%)"? Oo
in Tauti the update after Harmony (the one we should be getting really soon) there will also be Blessed Craft rec's which will result in in Blessed items, still craft success rate 60% though..
From what I have seen thus far from many, many, many crafts, I would estimate it's about 5% chance to craft standard item, and 1% to craft blessed. To get standard, your best bet is to try to find a cheap R-Unbind scroll. They can be obtained from the Aden donation system from a Hero's chest but odds are you'll spend more trying to get one than you can buy it for. You can try a campaign unbind scroll but it's only about 5% chance to get standard item from one.
In Harmony the material requirements for crafting a given item have been more or less doubled. Here for example an Apocalypse Shaper in GoD - Awakening (what we have):
http://gametsg.techbang.com.tw/lineage2/index.php?view=item&item=17324#item_detail
And here the same dagger in Harmony:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EB%AF%B8%ED%99%95%EC%9D%B8%EC%9D%98+%EC%95%84%ED% 8F%AC%EC%B9%BC%EB%A6%BD%EC%8A%A4+%EC%85%B0%EC%9D%B 4%ED%8D%BC

On the other hand, the probabilities for obtaining "good" items have also been increased. ChildOfHeaven from NCTaiwan got in a test series about 20% standard items and 2% blessed items out of all attempts, including the 40% failed ones:
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/l2_friend/article?mid=28934&next=28921&l=f&fid=148

The question is, do you craft now, with the lower material requirements but also lower chance for standard/blessed, or do you wait until Harmony? The best course might actually be to wait until Tauti and use the Blessed Craft recipes Draecke mentioned above. Your craft can still fail, but if it works, you always get a blessed item. There is an exorbitant mats cost though. Check the first screenshot here:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%B6%95%EB%B3%B5%EB%B0%9B%EC%9D%80+%ED%8C%90%ED% 83%80%EC%8A%A4%EB%A7%88+%EB%AC%B4%EA%B8%B0+%EC%A0% 9C%EC%9E%91+%EB%B0%A9%EB%B2%95
in Tauti the update after Harmony (the one we should be getting really soon) there will also be Blessed Craft rec's which will result in in Blessed items, still craft success rate 60% though..

I saw the list with material requirements for the blessed armors which will be only 60%, all the items needed for craft will come from the new revamped execution ground and their amout was for each try from 3000-6000 pieces.


On the other hand, the probabilities for obtaining "good" items have also been increased. ChildOfHeaven from NCTaiwan got in a test series about 20% standard items and 2% blessed items out of all attempts, including the 40% failed ones:


Do you know if also the ID rate has been touched as well? Maybe it would be wise to craft now and ID after...
Do you know if also the ID rate has been touched as well? Maybe it would be wise to craft now and ID after...

In a follow-up experiment ChildOfHeaven double-clicked 500 Unidentified Apocalypse Cutters and 500 Unidentified Twilight Breastplates on a Harmony Quality Assurance server. The result was in both cases 95% bound, around 4% normal and 1% blessed:
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/l2_friend/article?mid=28934&next=28921&l=f&fid=148

This is basically the same result she got some time ago, during GoD-Awakening, with double-clicking 1000 Unidentified Forgotten Blades. So the Identification rate seems to be the same in Awakening and Harmony.
Double SA is expensive and therefor useless, imo
Its just not worth the price, until harmony atleast

I might put it on my R99, as im gonna skip R95
Already have R90 dmg (apo)
And for what reason the name on recipes is always "Recipe: Unidentified Random Item (60%)"? Oo

and for what reason on ench skills is writen can be used with dual daggers?
we play in public test server mmo !
Once again you can GET : NORMAL/BLESSED/UNIDENTIFIED FROM CRAFT .
In Taiwan the "Unidentified" was removed from the recipe description with the Harmony update, but that led to complaints about cheating Dwarves, because even after the probability adjustment 30% of all crafts are still Unidentified items:
http://gametsg.techbang.com.tw/lineage2/index.php?view=article&articleid=334619

When something does not do what the description says, this always leads to unhappiness. Therefore it should explicitly say on the recipe something like "Recipe: Unidentified/Normal/Blessed [item xxx] (60%)".

Sace, we really really need a true PTS for Harmony. As you have seen with GoD, internal testing in your Quality Assurance Department is simply not good enough.
In Taiwan the "Unidentified" was removed from the recipe description with the Harmony update, but that led to complaints about cheating Dwarves, because even after the probability adjustment 30% of all crafts are still Unidentified items:
http://gametsg.techbang.com.tw/lineage2/index.php?view=article&articleid=334619

When something does not do what the description says, this always leads to unhappiness. Therefore it should explicitly say on the recipe something like "Recipe: Unidentified/Normal/Blessed [item xxx] (60%)".

Sace, we really really need a true PTS for Harmony. As you have seen with GoD, internal testing in your Quality Assurance Department is simply not good enough.

goha.ru find there harmony patch note I doubt we will get even harmony update :) rather harmony + tauti like we had once 2 updates at one time . NCEU cant even fix random text bug during downtime so you want some pts update that change only some things like auction + r95 weapons from auction ? GOOD JOKE
Anyone "Received Rewrad" in harnak lately?

Or did they fix it?
hi guys , I need help please dwarf Insuma not tell me I need to put my materials Sa second in a (Augmented) Specter T. Focus. I have to go to another dwarf or what? :(