NCSoft you lie!

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UNBIND SCROLL (R GRADE) CAMPAIGN - "transforms R grade Bound items to Standard items. Also has a low chance to becoming Blessed"
This is not true!
The truth is: " HAS A LOW CHANCE TO TRANSFORM R grade Bound items to Standard items"
AND YOUR LOW CHANCE IS CHANCE = 0
I noticed this too when visit the BS I can't call it lie but answer will be that campaign scrolls have wrong description and will be fixed soon or they suppose to work like this
I will agree with you is stupid to have a scroll witch pretty much doing nothing
I noticed this too when visit the BS I can't call it lie but answer will be that campaign scrolls have wrong description and will be fixed soon or they suppose to work like this
I will agree with you is stupid to have a scroll witch pretty much doing nothing

From Wikipedia: To lie is to hold something which one knows is not the whole truth to be the whole truth, intentionally.

In some situations, including perjury and some fraud...
From Wikipedia: To lie is to hold something which one knows is not the whole truth to be the whole truth, intentionally.

In some situations, including perjury and some fraud...

NC WEST KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT LINEAGE2 !!! So it isn't a lie...

I think it's a simple 'lost in translation' thing...
NC WEST KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT LINEAGE2 !!! So it isn't a lie...

I think it's a simple 'lost in translation' thing...

Yeah ... +1 NCSoft learnt this in 2003 with Sofia Coppola just when they launch L2...
Yeah ... +1 NCSoft learnt this in 2003 with Sofia Coppola just when they launch L2...
I admit i'm one of the very few people that loves that movie, i think Bill murray was excellent! and this is the only time i'm 100% not been sarcastic.
UNBIND SCROLL (R GRADE) CAMPAIGN - "transforms R grade Bound items to Standard items. Also has a low chance to becoming Blessed"
This is not true!
The truth is: " HAS A LOW CHANCE TO TRANSFORM R grade Bound items to Standard items"
AND YOUR LOW CHANCE IS CHANCE = 0

This variety of Unbind Scroll has a 94.8% chance to turn your Bound item into a Bound item again:
http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3147307&postcount=7

Don't use it!
This variety of Unbind Scroll has a 94.8% chance to turn your Bound item into a Bound item again:
http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3147307&postcount=7

Don't use it!

Yeah but the description is a lie! NCSoft team: if 5 marks are not enough to get a good scroll sell it 20 marks but give us a correct item not crap! we deserve more consideration!

I like L2 It's a pity.... because I have enough! I don't leave game because I like it but NCSoft team...:( OMFG
Yeah but the description is a lie! NCSoft team: if 5 marks are not enough to get a good scroll sell it 20 marks but give us a correct item not crap! we deserve more consideration!

I like L2 It's a pity.... because I have enough! I don't leave game because I like it but NCSoft team...:( OMFG

Just like pretty much anything in this game, there's a chance to fail, stop acting surprised when it happens
Yeah but the description is a lie! NCSoft team: if 5 marks are not enough to get a good scroll sell it 20 marks but give us a correct item not crap! we deserve more consideration!

I personally would not have put such an item in Conrad's sales catalog. I posted a possible explanation for the ever increasing "lottery features" in this game here:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=571&hilit=tuberculosis#p8390

That notwithstanding, the tooltip description on the item is clearly wrong - someone has confused it with the regular, non-campaign Bind Removing Scroll - R. I have pointed this out to Sace on December 28, and two weeks ago langlang reported it again to GM Pommo. Pommo said that he would pass on the report to the NCWest Quality Assurance Department for further testing. I assume they are still in the testing process. The NCKorea Lineage 2 Laboratory, which first found those probabilities in August, described their experimental setup very clearly:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%BA%A0%ED%8E%98%EC%9D%B8+%EC%86%8D%EB%B0%95%ED% 95%B4%EC%A0%9C%EC%A3%BC%EB%AC%B8%EC%84%9C+%ED%99%9 5%EB%A5%A0+%EC%8B%A4%ED%97%98
It shouldn't be too difficult for the NCWest people to reproduce/confirm the Korean results. Then maybe one day the tooltip description on the Campaign scroll will be changed so that people are not misled/deceived any more. Customer satisfaction will result :)


Elmar
NC WEST KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT LINEAGE2 !!! So it isn't a lie...

I think it's a simple 'lost in translation' thing...
But they do know. People like myself have told them, multiple times, through the appropriate channels. I asked for compensation or clarification and they told me to pound sand.

Going by the korean power wiki numbers, the reality is that you have a 4% chance of getting a standard item with a campaign scroll and a 96% chance of getting your bound item back. it's a total complete scam and waste of time. The item description is out right wrong and the ingame description is misleading. AN only 4% chance of success warrants a much stronger description than "low".
AND YOUR LOW CHANCE IS CHANCE = 0

or 1/1000000 :)
No, it is exactly zero, in the Lineage 2 Laboratory test expressed as "-":
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%BA%A0%ED%8E%98%EC%9D%B8+%EC%86%8D%EB%B0%95%ED% 95%B4%EC%A0%9C%EC%A3%BC%EB%AC%B8%EC%84%9C+%ED%99%9 5%EB%A5%A0+%EC%8B%A4%ED%97%98

That is why WildBaby and EvaSummoner are so angry. The tooltip description on the Unbind Scroll - Campaign is objectively wrong, it has been confused in the course of the localization process with the description on the regular Unbind Scroll. That's like when you find on a deep-freeze pizza written "with Gouda" whereas in reality the company put on cheese analogue, not from happy Dutch cows but from soybeans, yeast and whatnot.

There is nothing wrong with cheese analogue, it's often the only thing people with lactose intolerance (like many Chinese) can eat. But it is cheaper to make and when you sell it as real cheese, then this is called fraud. Likewise the Unbind Scroll - Campaign itself is working as intended (even if some would call the intention evil), but it does not say that on the description. Conrad is selling a counterfeit product.
Thx god I'm not alone
Just like pretty much anything in this game, there's a chance to fail, stop acting surprised when it happens

You are fine with the item descriptions outright lying, then?
I believed these worked just fine for me, just need some Mentees to graduate and I will element my throbbing staff of Dark Elf power.
man are you online ??
I believed these worked just fine for me, just need some Mentees to graduate and I will element my throbbing staff of Dark Elf power.

man are you online ??
man are you online ??


Unfortunately I am at work.... and I have to work all weekend, I may miss the fun this weekend and it breaks me up inside.
What I wonder is why it's so difficult to get these descriptions updated. You wouldn't think it'd be that hard for the developers to change them to avoid the confusion of so many people (this is far from being the first thread created on the matter).
What I wonder is why it's so difficult to get these descriptions updated. You wouldn't think it'd be that hard for the developers to change them to avoid the confusion of so many people (this is far from being the first thread created on the matter).
NCEast (Korea) never rushes when it comes to these things since nobody outside of the Korean playerbase has this problem; NCWest (USA) is not allowed to change anything even if it is wrong.
I admit i'm one of the very few people that loves that movie, i think Bill murray was excellent! and this is the only time i'm 100% not been sarcastic.

Srsly? I thought everyone loved that movie and I was one of the few that didn't.
This variety of Unbind Scroll has a 94.8% chance to turn your Bound item into a Bound item again:
http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3147307&postcount=7

Don't use it!

I understand it not being as good as the real one because it's much easier to obtain, but a 95% chance of becoming bound again? C'mon NCSoft.
Yeah ... +1 NCSoft learnt this in 2003 with Sofia Coppola just when they launch L2...

Good one :D
This variety of Unbind Scroll has a 94.8% chance to turn your Bound item into a Bound item again:
http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3147307&postcount=7

Don't use it!

Yidao, is there a variety of unbind scroll that does unbind to a normal weapon with 100% chance? (or a little chance for blessed?) with no chance to make it bound again?

ncsoft continues to amaze me with these things... I feel that I can't rely on anything in this game any more (especially not in the store) :(
Yidao, is there a variety of unbind scroll that does unbind to a normal weapon with 100% chance? (or a little chance for blessed?) with no chance to make it bound again?

Yes, the regular "Bind Removing Scroll - R" (without the "Campaign" suffix) removes a binding with 100% probability, producing with 93.6% probability a Standard item and with 6.4% a Blessed item, no chance to make it bound again:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%BA%A0%ED%8E%98%EC%9D%B8+%EC%86%8D%EB%B0%95%ED% 95%B4%EC%A0%9C%EC%A3%BC%EB%AC%B8%EC%84%9C+%ED%99%9 5%EB%A5%A0+%EC%8B%A4%ED%97%98

It is dropped by the Normal Istina, or you can get it via the Aden Donation System (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=251) from a Hero Treasure Chest:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%86%8D%EB%B0%95+%ED%95%B4%EC%A0%9C%EC%A3%BC%EB% AC%B8%EC%84%9C+-+R%EA%B7%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%B4%EB%93%9C
I would definitely not recommend the latter possibility though, because there you are again back at gambling.

You might also be able to get a regular 100% Unbind Scroll from some of the promotional packs offered by NCWest, but I am not very familiar with that. Your safest bet is probably raiding Istina. You will find information about the Seed of Annihilation's cycles and the related quest here:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%9D%B4%EC%8A%A4%ED%8B%B0%EB%82%98+%EB%A0%88%EC% 9D%B4%EB%93%9C
and here:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=612
Yes, the regular "Bind Removing Scroll - R" (without the "Campaign" suffix) removes a binding with 100% probability, producing with 93.6% probability a Standard item and with 6.4% a Blessed item, no chance to make it bound again:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%BA%A0%ED%8E%98%EC%9D%B8+%EC%86%8D%EB%B0%95%ED% 95%B4%EC%A0%9C%EC%A3%BC%EB%AC%B8%EC%84%9C+%ED%99%9 5%EB%A5%A0+%EC%8B%A4%ED%97%98

It is dropped by the Normal Istina, or you can get it via the Aden Donation System (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=251) from a Hero Treasure Chest:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%86%8D%EB%B0%95+%ED%95%B4%EC%A0%9C%EC%A3%BC%EB% AC%B8%EC%84%9C+-+R%EA%B7%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%B4%EB%93%9C
I would definitely not recommend the latter possibility though, because there you are again back at gambling.

You might also be able to get a regular 100% Unbind Scroll from some of the promotional packs offered by NCWest, but I am not very familiar with that. Your safest bet is probably raiding Istina. You will find information about the Seed of Annihilation's cycles and the related quest here:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%9D%B4%EC%8A%A4%ED%8B%B0%EB%82%98+%EB%A0%88%EC% 9D%B4%EB%93%9C
and here:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=612

Thank you soooooooooooooo much Yidao! Without your help I would feel lost in a black forest with no light :)
UNBIND SCROLL (R GRADE) CAMPAIGN - "transforms R grade Bound items to Standard items. Also has a low chance to becoming Blessed"
This is not true!
The truth is: " HAS A LOW CHANCE TO TRANSFORM R grade Bound items to Standard items"
AND YOUR LOW CHANCE IS CHANCE = 0


Creeeepy, this is a Conpiracy.

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