Yul Archer DE vs LE

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who do you think is better as a archer, dark elfs or light elfs? or human and why?
light elf all the way
race with least STR is best? cmon...
How many threads like this we need?
But Light Elf.

race with least STR is best? cmon...
Not everything is about STR you know.
Dark Elf and don't look back :D
Best Archer is Light Elf.

But Why ?
Why ?
Why ?
Why ?

I am not going to tell you why !

You tell me why !

Aha hahaha ...
Power vs. Speed/Rate

DE has immense crit power and damage output.

Elves have high critical rates and faster attack and move speeds.

We all know Orc Archers > both elves (lulz)
the diference is, as DE you will need to find dex+con dyes and use attack speed stance.

as LE you will need STr dyes, and p.attack+ stance
DE.

Every bit of STR you add is a %, not fixed. L2 is all about stacking little by litle every %. And every crit dmg% and p atk% you add IS noticable.

Also Flash folowed by disparation on the right time + the the biggest DMG sets all bets on DE.
STR is a scaling modifier, just like the other base stats. The more of a specific stat you have, the more bonus you will get from it. For an archer, higher STR is what matters. This adds patk, crit damage, and better (less) skill cool down time.

DEX adds accuracy/crit rate/attack speed/evasion, all of which arent needed on an archer. A DE Yul Archer can reach cap attack speed and crit rate without modifying DEX, so why do you need more DEX? The evasion is pointless as you have Final ultimate Evasion, and the accuracy is only useful if you don't have bow/corssbow masteries as your current accuracy rating is perfectly fine.

Any archer who stacks DEX knowns little to nothing about game mechanics in GoD.

The you have racial skills, and the DE racials far outweight the LE racials.

In the end, DE is the best archer in the game for an awakened Yul Archer, hands down. Anyone who says anything differently clearly doesnt understand how STR and DEX affect awakened stats, and never looked at racial skills.
Ya i totally forgot to point out, DE has the best chance to insta re-use or double time skills since skill mastery is based from it aswell.
Since crit rate is capped... atk speed difference is close to nothing...
Run speed /care if u have port forward/backwards skills...

Come on, elf archer is for fanbois.

At the very end, the best archer will be the one with best gear, period.
DE with +15 STR from dyes

Who needs DEX?


*Plus that their boobs make players and mobs drop they jaw to the ground :D
legolas was light elf so i made SR
lolroleplayer
DE with +15 STR from dyes

Who needs DEX?


*Plus that their boobs make players and mobs drop they jaw to the ground :D

My Yul Archer has no boobs... ;)
My Yul Archer has no boobs... ;)

mine does :-P
mine does :-P

Yeah, I'm an inverse-crossdresser. My Yul is a male ;)
Yeah, I'm an inverse-crossdresser. My Yul is a male ;)

does that mean u are female in rl? the inverse portion threw me off haha
does that mean u are female in rl? the inverse portion threw me off haha

I know it might sound like a big shock but there are girls that play this game!!!! :D
I know it might sound like a big shock but there are girls that play this game!!!! :D

thats crazy!

nah actually i met quite a few girls who played L2 over the last 7-8 years. never met one who played a male char tho :-)
thats crazy!

nah actually i met quite a few girls who played L2 over the last 7-8 years. never met one who played a male char tho :-)

Most of my chars are male. Unless they're Light Elves or Human Mystics, because the male versions of them already look like girls, so I make girls anyway ;)

Been like that in most MMOs I've played.

Going off topic though. :D
I'm a spellhowler and i want an archer too.

Should i make two toons or will be the same if i made an archer for dual class?
Most of my chars are male. Unless they're Light Elves or Human Mystics, because the male versions of them already look like girls, so I make girls anyway ;)

Been like that in most MMOs I've played.

Going off topic though. :D

im the same way, i always make girl characters in every fantasy/mmo game due to girl characters typically having better armor textures imo (outside of final fantasy).
I'm a spellhowler and i want an archer too.

Should i make two toons or will be the same if i made an archer for dual class?

Well, it depends. Your sub will not benefit from mentor buffs or any path stuff, but if you don't really NEED those, then I suppose a dual class would be ok.


im the same way, i always make girl characters in every fantasy/mmo game due to girl characters typically having better armor textures imo (outside of final fantasy).

Heh well for me it's the contrary. I hate female armor in MMOs because, let's be honest, a lot of times they're catered for the male population instead ;) So I make male characters because for me they're better to look at.

I really don't like my characters being half-naked in MMOs just because it pleases the boys :P
(outside of final fantasy).


I have the urge to +1 this.
I wonder if DE so good how come nobody is playing it...
I wonder if DE so good how come nobody is playing it...


What do you mean?

DE and human are the archers i see the most.

De becoz it pwns right now, Human becoz it was the most played archer before (sagitarius).
Best race to be an archer/dagger right now is dark elves. Simply because they have the highest STR, obviously, which results in highest dmg output and highest chance that their reuse skill time will reset or the duration will be doubled and it happens a LOT often. Also their race skills are awesome. Disparition + flash is epic. Sometimes I spam skills 6-7 times in a row before I get reuse.

Note, they still need to fix these skills, so lame! >.<
If DE go +15 STR
IF LE go +15 DEX

DE 92 + 15 = 107 STR + 14 STR (from awakening) = 121 STR & 56 DEX
LE 61 + 15 = 82 STR + 14 STR (from awakening) = 96 STR & 76 DEX

Now to all Kids under 20 years old.

DE will miss 35.7% of all normal hits vs LE. That is more then 1 in 3 hits. (not to mention LE racial skill)

If you duel a DE vs LE archer in this configuration with normal attacks you will see the DE does only 64.3% of damage almost every-time.
and now tell me when it happens archer only use normal shots :rolleyes:
and now tell me when it happens archer only use normal shots :rolleyes:

Final Ultimate Escape
For 30 seconds, increases P. Evasion + 30, M. Evasion + 90, resistance to magic + 20%, resistance to buff-canceling attacks + 95%, and Evasion rate to P. skills attacks + 95%.

You evade 95% of all non-magical skills.

With 20 more DEX you get around 60+ more attack speed. 30+ more critical chance. (not to mention the +15 critical from race ), considerable more more evasion & accuracy.

Trust me if you also use

Prevision
http://www.l2archive.com/img/layout/casttime.png0.2 http://www.l2archive.com/img/layout/reuse.png600
For 15 seconds, increases physical and magical Evasion by 30.
The Dark Elf will hit 50% of the time or less. All your power attack is useless if you can't hit.

But hey i enjoy killing Dark Elves all the time.

Light Elves are Smarter then Dark Elves.

You the masses just go and make Dark Elf so i can kill you in 1 vs 1.
Where human archer disappeared?
Is his stats so bad?
and fast question If I am human and take light elf archer , which racial I will have after awakening human or light elfs ?
DE will miss 35.7% of all normal hits vs LE. That is more then 1 in 3 hits. (not to mention LE racial skill)


From where you took the % value?

You claim that 20 DEX difference is equal to 35% more evasion? What is the source of this ********? You've tested it anywhere? Screens? On which PTS?

Now tell me how hard will DE hit with 25 more STR?
How much more % of instant skills reset, double damage skills and lethals it will have?

Now having 20 more DEX than delfs, who gois full + STR setup, how it will help you versus other classes, who use skills all the time? Or mages?

Your only argument is ELF will have more evasion and in 1 vs 1 situation, ELF due to high DEX will NOT MISS AT ALL (lol!) and DE will miss 35% regular hits (ROTFL).

Hey, let's be archers with huge evasion and **** damage, ok!!!
So does DEX help against evading physical skills or not?
So does DEX help against evading physical skills or not?

only ultimate evasion evade skills, dex or evasion doesn't

And about the DE vs. LE discussion, obviously evasion isn't the only thing that matters, and there is a whole gameplay behind the discussion, for example a it's really nice to criti the hell of a robe user :)
From where you took the % value?

You claim that 20 DEX difference is equal to 35% more evasion? What is the source of this ********? You've tested it anywhere? Screens? On which PTS?

Now tell me how hard will DE hit with 25 more STR?
How much more % of instant skills reset, double damage skills and lethals it will have?

Now having 20 more DEX than delfs, who gois full + STR setup, how it will help you versus other classes, who use skills all the time? Or mages?

Your only argument is ELF will have more evasion and in 1 vs 1 situation, ELF due to high DEX will NOT MISS AT ALL (lol!) and DE will miss 35% regular hits (ROTFL).

Hey, let's be archers with huge evasion and **** damage, ok!!!

You get with DE 25% more damage (for that setup) that misses 35% up to 50% vs Light Elf.

You get 50 more critical rate and 70 attack speed with light elf with that setup.

Your skills are completely ignored. 95% chance to ignore your 2 x damage skills.

Missing 1 normal shot = all that STR wasted.
While you miss 1 shot i hit you with 1 critical shot and my second arrow hits you before you manage to fire your second one.

Really Light Elf is the best with that setup.
Vampire DE ald ELF are the same ******* classes of archer.

As DE I also have 95% chance to evade skills..

THe case is, for you DEX > everything, which is absolute ********.


The 1 vs 1 situation is ONLY in olympiad. And believe me, you can be skilled as Chuck efkin Norris and you will not get hero, if you are not in TOP clan.

DE all the way for archer, as STR is what it is all about in mass pvp and PVE.
But see vampire, you are just looking at a LE yul archer vs DE yul archer match and nobody is mentioning that.


The hell i need acuracy vs tank/warrior/summoner/wizard/healer.


You need BURST DMG to beat healers and wizards, you don't want evasion for shiet agaisnt Tyr warriors either nor daggers.

The more dmg you deal, the easier it is to get through healing skills, trust me, as a summoner without burst damage you can't kill people under heals.

DE ALSO has 95% chance of evading skills and this is a TOTAL VALUE, it's not adding anything. it's saying you have now 5% chance of being hit, those 5% missing that the elf might occupy will NOT be noticable in PVP as this skill is used from time to time and not on a constant basis.



So now i ask you, why do you make a setup ONLY to kill archers, while other archers make setups to kill EVERYONE?


STR will give an upper advantage VS ANY class, whereas DEX will give slight boosts vs 2-3 classes.
Also DE CON is lowest of 3 archers, so take that!
its kind of funny to see people act like they understand the game mechanics.

go ahead and roll LE, max DEX out, and give people the wrong info. its fun ya?
guys pls stop....light elf is best.




ps: don't enlight him/others. pls let all fools think LE is better and let them all make LE yul, so i can own with my DE :)
guys pls stop....light elf is best.




ps: don't enlight him/others. pls let all fools think LE is better and let them all make LE yul, so i can own with my DE :)

+1

LE all the way, DEX owns :)
LE > DE in general

WIT > INT
DEX > STR

With 20 Dex difference no warrior / tank / dagger / archer / summoner is gonna hit you properly.

You all forget the critical rate & attack speed.

By saying that DEX is just accuracy proves you are kids.
Yeah, LEs and their evasion all the way!
LE Sigel Knights don't even have to wear a shield cause they just evade everything. Melee, arrows, magic, you name it ;P
We will see who laughs in next update.

Added 6 new parameters in the system attribute
bolding it and forgetting to put a link is kinda fail dont u think?
LE > DE in general

WIT > INT
DEX > STR

With 20 Dex difference no warrior / tank / dagger / archer / summoner is gonna hit you properly.

You all forget the critical rate & attack speed.

By saying that DEX is just accuracy proves you are kids.

Max crit rate on DE archer is easy to achieve, who's kid now?

http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=576

Also you proved urself to be the biggest kid, when you started taking everything too serious, these ARE opinions while you are outright insulting because people have a diferent point of view than you.

Only kids will take games seriously.
LE > DE in general

WIT > INT
DEX > STR

With 20 Dex difference no warrior / tank / dagger / archer / summoner is gonna hit you properly.

You all forget the critical rate & attack speed.

By saying that DEX is just accuracy proves you are kids.

by thinking a DE cant hit max crit rate and attack speed with base dex proves you are just a kid and have no clue wtf you are talking about
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%83%80%EC%9A%B0%ED%8B%B0

Bad translation for rogue and archer.

http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%83%80%EC%9A%B0%ED%8B%B0+%ED%81%B4%EB%9E%98%EC% 8A%A4

9. 'Ohsel log', 'rate Archer' class 'Grand Light Armor Mastery' skill levels in the character's DEX, depending on the speed and physical skills critical chance to increase or decrease the effects have been added.

- 'Ohsel log', 'Archer rate of a class of' non-wearing of enteral DEX levels, depending on your character's movement speed, physical skill critical rate can increase or decrease.
http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%83%80%EC%9A%B0%ED%8B%B0

Bad translation for rogue and archer.

http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%83%80%EC%9A%B0%ED%8B%B0+%ED%81%B4%EB%9E%98%EC% 8A%A4

9. 'Ohsel log', 'rate Archer' class 'Grand Light Armor Mastery' skill levels in the character's DEX, depending on the speed and physical skills critical chance to increase or decrease the effects have been added.

- 'Ohsel log', 'Archer rate of a class of' non-wearing of enteral DEX levels, depending on your character's movement speed, physical skill critical rate can increase or decrease.

You are still missing the fact that even if DEX is changed to affect skill critical rate, STR affects Crit Damage, Overall Patk, and Skill Re-Use time.

Stacking DEX is still pointless. Archers with 500 Crit Rate dont run around spamming skills hoping to crit on a skill, they use skills for the added Patk bonus and other perks a skill might have. Also, DEX won't affect your ability to Half Kill with Pinpoint Shot, as a Half Kill isn't a crit.

By all means, roll LE and stack DEX, try to own oly. it isnt going to happen.
Yes it is going to happen whether you like it or not.
i dont think u even read what people post, or you cant comprehend what people post. either way, you are missing something. i dont care if that change is implemented. your concept of how to min/max an archer to win 1v1 oly and mass pvp is largely flawed by your lack of understanding on how base stats calculate into the regular stats of a character.
Dark elfs for sure are better.

I dont know how are kamael racials working atm
but if both 'final form' are working like they used to be, i think even Kamael are better then elves.

After awakening, for sure STR is much better then DEX.
The game is whole based on skills. Dark elf rulez.
Can we just all agree that STR is better for DE and DEX is better for LE and finish this pointless discussion.
Everyone has their own way of play.
Dark elfs for sure are better.

I dont know how are kamael racials working atm
but if both 'final form' are working like they used to be, i think even Kamael are better then elves.

After awakening, for sure STR is much better then DEX.
The game is whole based on skills. Dark elf rulez.

according to the pic someone posted with his kamael yul in final form with 50k patk I assume they work as they used to be
As far as i know Max Cryt rate is 500... both Elves will have similiar ratio. so When DE has so big difference in Str- Critical dmg, it makes them lethal. Of course with at least +5 Dex, +5 Str, +5 Con.
As far as i know Max Cryt rate is 500... both Elves will have similiar ratio. so When DE has so big difference in Str- Critical dmg, it makes them lethal. Of course with at least +5 Dex, +5 Str, +5 Con.

Better go +15 then +5 +5 +5 in different areas.

LE already starts with -10 STR vs DE

Why would you put +15 STR on LE ? DE would still have 10 STR more.

The DEX dosn't increse the accuracy a lot but it increases Evasion alot.

You don't have all the time max 1500 attack speed (only with self buff and that is only for a limited time)

I give you this example. With 23 DEX an orc mystic at level 68 has 89 evasion. A light elf with 61 DEX at level 67 has 152 evasion.

With 61+15 = 76 DEX the same elf would have around 210 Evasion.
Lol??
Now you compare orc mages with LE archers/daggers?

Anyway, if you wanna play decent DE Archer all the way.
You will have capped atk speed + capped crit rate.
You pvp with skills, you pve via aoe skills.

DE will eaiser reach the STR breakpoints (bigger patk boost) as a LE.

If you still play your Archer with F1 and autoattacks.. GF :rolleyes:
Dreamer continue dreaming.

capped atk speed + capped crit rate. ?

All the time ? NO !

Sure DE Will reach 120 str but will he hit vs LE in MASS PVP ? NO !
My face is the best archer.
Fully buffed on my LE Yul I am 4 away from max crit rate and if i use the rapid fire stance i'm just a bit shy of the max atk speed. That's just entirely by myself with iss buffs... none of the forces or the like applied. That's with crit rate Rgrade bow, assasin R grade armor. Kinda wish i had my moirai light still but oh well xD
rofl... no matter how hard you try DE will never cap the attack speed (unless rapid fire stance at 99 might do it lol, with only lasts for 1 or 2 minuts) and much less the critical strike cap, nor even LE does that because its impossible to critical strike forever.

Telling X is better than Y is a mere joke and people on this thread take it seriously. X have some advantages, but Y also have some advantages. Now you decide what you play and try to improve it.
All the talk of DEvLE

I am quite a bit curious where the Human yul's stand in the mix. They were competitive before primarily because they were able to stay up the longest. but with all the changes im not sure how big a role that plays.

I will be awakening on my Human archer not long now(lawl, work schedule permitting) but i havent really read or found anything pertaining to Humans. or even arbalesters that much at all if even at all.

figured it was better to post in here then start a new thread (unless u all think i should start another archer thead?)

thanks for the input, just kinda looking to see how i will fall into the mix and what to expect.

ty,
~AD
The human yuls I fought, didnt really caused me a problem as a DE would. But thats just my experience. And arbalesters are just arbalesters..
I know this thread is comparing DE and LE but humans are also discussed, so the thread is already derailed to an archer topic.
The fact that kamael aren't even mentioned anywhere in the thread is a bit unsettling.
Am I to assume they suck so bad as yul archers that nobody even talks about them?
DE is better for daggers,archer,nukers and more?
And now humans got crap hp,great!
Why NC doesn't just delete all races and keep only OverPowered Elfs? ;)
So imba game :mad: