Thanks, 3 weeks to make a dagger and its ****** useless, i cant even get a party. does good damage to 1 mob while every other toon does 10k damage to 6 mobs at a time. I just pvpd an 85 yul w/ my 85 rogue, I double skill crit him from the back for 2500, he normal face crits me just pew pew, no skill for 2500. cool shiit. WTS lvl 85 rogue.
Thanks, 3 weeks to make a dagger and its ****** useless, i cant even get a party.
then you have only stupid ppl at server
halfkill+spoil owns.. I always try to get a rouge when I start a pt.
daggers are more powerfull than ever,no matter what most ppl say cause they miss the f1,f2,f3 qq button
Oh, Great Wise Dagger, please teach me what are those unbelievable powers that i fail to recognize?
We have 4 skills with 5 sec CD that i can actualy use TWICE in a mass pvp, 2 self buffs that i have to cast every 15 seconds in a pvp situation, 2-3 buffs that give some significant power boost for 20 seconds but have 10 minutes reuse.
Oh Oh! I forgot! I have an AWSOME KICK IN THE ***.
You're joking right? Back in c1 in 3 weeks you got 1 or 2 levels at lvl 40 if you grinded hard. If you're crying about 3 weeks 1 - 85 you should quit now.
and its ****** useless, i cant even get a party. .
Maybe they just don't like you personally because in my group I always have 1 rogue and sometimes even 2.
Oh, Great Wise Dagger, please teach me what are those unbelievable powers that i fail to recognize?
We have 4 skills with 5 sec CD that i can actualy use TWICE in a mass pvp, 2 self buffs that i have to cast every 15 seconds in a pvp situation, 2-3 buffs that give some significant power boost for 20 seconds but have 10 minutes reuse.
Oh Oh! I forgot! I have an AWSOME KICK IN THE ***.
I was bored to reply on this useless topic so I will just copy my reply from another QQdaggerssucks topic.
Obviously non of you knows **** about the dagger class.
Here is a list why othell rogue is one the best class out there for pvp and pve.
Lets start with PvE:
1)When crafters starts hitting 90s and can craft some R2 gear they need materials and guess how they will get them?That's right from the freaking othells.
2)Othells will be needed on the new high lvl zones because mobs there have high Pdef and Huge amount of HP and guess which class can half kill them and drop them like a fly.That's right sir,it's Othells again.
3)Sole PvE is the easiest thing to do with an othell and dual daggers even w/o ISS buffs(elixirs are mandatory tho) because you have almost capped out your focus and atk.speed.
PvP:
1)They can stab any class for tons of damage if you DONT FORGET to pop up maximun critical ALWAYS!That low-timed buff is focus death and focus chance combined and guess what its way better because it increases crit dmg and chance rate of skills even from the front!
2)They have A LOT of debuffs.Scorpion poison increases the damage dealt to the target and the critical rate of skills,combined with maximun critical lvl 3 you became a powerfull killing machine.You have 2 stuns,3 slows which one of them decreases shield defense rate(----> part 3*) and an accuracy debuff.You also have a freaking anchor!!!I forgot the poison needle which is great when the enemy is casting long casting powerfull skills.
3)You can actually kill tanks.Yes,im not over exaggeratin.Your half kills can smack the enemies tank hp and cp which then make it easy to kill on mass pvps.
4)CP is the only defence on GoD.As many of you have noticed CP got increased like hell.When your CP drops to 0 its a matter of time before you die and thats why Othells are mandatory for pvps.Four out of your five skills can half kill that means that even if one lands its a win win situation for you unless you are a noob.
5)NOTHING can touch.Being an LE I have 5 evasive skills.Lets list them:
1)Ultimate evasion. Evade most normal skills/attacks and gives a huge resistance to debuffs and on top of that it cancels your enemies target.
2)Angel of death. Oh god I love that skill.Increases evasion from skills/attacks,resistance to debuffs,INCREASES your stab chance AND anchors the target!
3)Prevision. Increases evasion AND magic evasion by 30.
4)Evasion. You evade any meele AND RANGED skills attacks.
5)Hide. Totally removes debuffs,gives you bonus recovery AND you have the chance to backstabb one more time.
If you still believe that Othell's luck at any aspect of the game then you are surely not made for that character.
I was bored to reply on this useless topic so I will just copy my reply from another QQdaggerssucks topic.
Obviously non of you knows **** about the dagger class.
Here is a list why othell rogue is one the best class out there for pvp and pve.
Lets start with PvE:
1)When crafters starts hitting 90s and can craft some R2 gear they need materials and guess how they will get them?That's right from the freaking othells.
2)Othells will be needed on the new high lvl zones because mobs there have high Pdef and Huge amount of HP and guess which class can half kill them and drop them like a fly.That's right sir,it's Othells again.
3)Sole PvE is the easiest thing to do with an othell and dual daggers even w/o ISS buffs(elixirs are mandatory tho) because you have almost capped out your focus and atk.speed.
PvP:
1)They can stab any class for tons of damage if you DONT FORGET to pop up maximun critical ALWAYS!That low-timed buff is focus death and focus chance combined and guess what its way better because it increases crit dmg and chance rate of skills even from the front!
2)They have A LOT of debuffs.Scorpion poison increases the damage dealt to the target and the critical rate of skills,combined with maximun critical lvl 3 you became a powerfull killing machine.You have 2 stuns,3 slows which one of them decreases shield defense rate(----> part 3*) and an accuracy debuff.You also have a freaking anchor!!!I forgot the poison needle which is great when the enemy is casting long casting powerfull skills.
3)You can actually kill tanks.Yes,im not over exaggeratin.Your half kills can smack the enemies tank hp and cp which then make it easy to kill on mass pvps.
4)CP is the only defence on GoD.As many of you have noticed CP got increased like hell.When your CP drops to 0 its a matter of time before you die and thats why Othells are mandatory for pvps.Four out of your five skills can half kill that means that even if one lands its a win win situation for you unless you are a noob.
5)NOTHING can touch.Being an LE I have 5 evasive skills.Lets list them:
1)Ultimate evasion. Evade most normal skills/attacks and gives a huge resistance to debuffs and on top of that it cancels your enemies target.
2)Angel of death. Oh god I love that skill.Increases evasion from skills/attacks,resistance to debuffs,INCREASES your stab chance AND anchors the target!
3)Prevision. Increases evasion AND magic evasion by 30.
4)Evasion. You evade any meele AND RANGED skills attacks.
5)Hide. Totally removes debuffs,gives you bonus recovery AND you have the chance to backstabb one more time.
If you still believe that Othell's luck at any aspect of the game then you are surely not made for that character.
AMEN!
wooow soo boooooring lies. Killing a tank hahhahahahhahahahah May if he's not awaken and 10 levels below u
But since Im not a dagger I like u... ur the kind of players that lose and still come back for more.
Some people don't even use most skills on pvp. I've always played daggers. I love that class even though I haven't played dagger here yet, I'm thinking of making it my dual class since I have archer as main. So far what I've come across is useless daggers that can't use their skills as they are supposed to. Daggers are elite classes, should give ppl a hard time to kill and you might not even kill them, you should be always able to escape situations. Just learn your skills, use tactics. Don't be afraid to hit ultimate evasion, it actually helps a lot against everything. Some ppl just "Save" those skills. rofl xD
Sometimes though, even if you have good skills someone will beat you because he's better than you. Either on gear or skill, it's just the way it is. Imo daggers/warriors are not useless at all and they can still deal a lot of dmg but now the game is more balanced so this is more like a QQ post like in those private server forums where ppl QQ everyday about a class/skill that doesn't work as they want it to work. Funny.
Othells are useful for isolating and spiking targets to death. 1v1 they always manage to kill my teammates during PvP when I'm not around. However, if I'm around my radiant heal spam can out heal the damage by most Othells. I like Othells though, they take skill to use and the ones who manage to outfox me in damage I applaud.
I was bored to reply on this useless topic so I will just copy my reply from another QQdaggerssucks topic.
Obviously non of you knows **** about the dagger class.
Here is a list why othell rogue is one the best class out there for pvp and pve.
Lets start with PvE:
1)When crafters starts hitting 90s and can craft some R2 gear they need materials and guess how they will get them?That's right from the freaking othells.
2)Othells will be needed on the new high lvl zones because mobs there have high Pdef and Huge amount of HP and guess which class can half kill them and drop them like a fly.That's right sir,it's Othells again.
3)Sole PvE is the easiest thing to do with an othell and dual daggers even w/o ISS buffs(elixirs are mandatory tho) because you have almost capped out your focus and atk.speed.
PvP:
1)They can stab any class for tons of damage if you DONT FORGET to pop up maximun critical ALWAYS!That low-timed buff is focus death and focus chance combined and guess what its way better because it increases crit dmg and chance rate of skills even from the front!
2)They have A LOT of debuffs.Scorpion poison increases the damage dealt to the target and the critical rate of skills,combined with maximun critical lvl 3 you became a powerfull killing machine.You have 2 stuns,3 slows which one of them decreases shield defense rate(----> part 3*) and an accuracy debuff.You also have a freaking anchor!!!I forgot the poison needle which is great when the enemy is casting long casting powerfull skills.
3)You can actually kill tanks.Yes,im not over exaggeratin.Your half kills can smack the enemies tank hp and cp which then make it easy to kill on mass pvps.
4)CP is the only defence on GoD.As many of you have noticed CP got increased like hell.When your CP drops to 0 its a matter of time before you die and thats why Othells are mandatory for pvps.Four out of your five skills can half kill that means that even if one lands its a win win situation for you unless you are a noob.
5)NOTHING can touch.Being an LE I have 5 evasive skills.Lets list them:
1)Ultimate evasion. Evade most normal skills/attacks and gives a huge resistance to debuffs and on top of that it cancels your enemies target.
2)Angel of death. Oh god I love that skill.Increases evasion from skills/attacks,resistance to debuffs,INCREASES your stab chance AND anchors the target!
3)Prevision. Increases evasion AND magic evasion by 30.
4)Evasion. You evade any meele AND RANGED skills attacks.
5)Hide. Totally removes debuffs,gives you bonus recovery AND you have the chance to backstabb one more time.
If you still believe that Othell's luck at any aspect of the game then you are surely not made for that character.
AMEN!
+10
just one "but" it takes some skill to use all these Debuffs and strategy to use hide/ue/angel of death in the right times
People like to QQ cause before they could chain Backstab/Deadly Blow/ Lethal blow/ Binding Blow/ Dual Blow and backstab is ready again
Daggers are more powerfull than ever, just learn how to use it
And YES daggers can kill tanks, specially without knights harmony
I was bored to reply on this useless topic so I will just copy my reply from another QQdaggerssucks topic.
Obviously non of you knows **** about the dagger class.
Here is a list why othell rogue is one the best class out there for pvp and pve.
Lets start with PvE:
1)When crafters starts hitting 90s and can craft some R2 gear they need materials and guess how they will get them?That's right from the freaking othells.
2)Othells will be needed on the new high lvl zones because mobs there have high Pdef and Huge amount of HP and guess which class can half kill them and drop them like a fly.That's right sir,it's Othells again.
3)Sole PvE is the easiest thing to do with an othell and dual daggers even w/o ISS buffs(elixirs are mandatory tho) because you have almost capped out your focus and atk.speed.
PvP:
1)They can stab any class for tons of damage if you DONT FORGET to pop up maximun critical ALWAYS!That low-timed buff is focus death and focus chance combined and guess what its way better because it increases crit dmg and chance rate of skills even from the front!
2)They have A LOT of debuffs.Scorpion poison increases the damage dealt to the target and the critical rate of skills,combined with maximun critical lvl 3 you became a powerfull killing machine.You have 2 stuns,3 slows which one of them decreases shield defense rate(----> part 3*) and an accuracy debuff.You also have a freaking anchor!!!I forgot the poison needle which is great when the enemy is casting long casting powerfull skills.
3)You can actually kill tanks.Yes,im not over exaggeratin.Your half kills can smack the enemies tank hp and cp which then make it easy to kill on mass pvps.
4)CP is the only defence on GoD.As many of you have noticed CP got increased like hell.When your CP drops to 0 its a matter of time before you die and thats why Othells are mandatory for pvps.Four out of your five skills can half kill that means that even if one lands its a win win situation for you unless you are a noob.
5)NOTHING can touch.Being an LE I have 5 evasive skills.Lets list them:
1)Ultimate evasion. Evade most normal skills/attacks and gives a huge resistance to debuffs and on top of that it cancels your enemies target.
2)Angel of death. Oh god I love that skill.Increases evasion from skills/attacks,resistance to debuffs,INCREASES your stab chance AND anchors the target!
3)Prevision. Increases evasion AND magic evasion by 30.
4)Evasion. You evade any meele AND RANGED skills attacks.
5)Hide. Totally removes debuffs,gives you bonus recovery AND you have the chance to backstabb one more time.
If you still believe that Othell's luck at any aspect of the game then you are surely not made for that character.
AMEN!
dont wanna make u mad bro!
but im expin in orbis right now
soa > gog > orbis
0 othels used got all gear i wanted
archers can half kill
but guess what pullin massive train of mobs in upper gog is much faster with aoe then 1by1
then again im not saying othell i useless id love to play 1 but i was dagger pre GoD and i got sick and tired of all cheats being able to see me tru hide not being able to backstab people so i switched to a diff path to aviod all this pain again.
just one "but" it takes some skill to use all these Debuffs and strategy to use hide/ue/angel of death in the right times
People like to QQ cause before they could chain Backstab/Deadly Blow/ Lethal blow/ Binding Blow/ Dual Blow and backstab is ready again
Daggers are more powerfull than ever, just learn how to use it
And YES daggers can kill tanks, specially without knights harmony
wooow soo boooooring lies. Killing a tank hahhahahahhahahahah May if he's not awaken and 10 levels below u
But since Im not a dagger I like u... ur the kind of players that lose and still come back for more.
I can see that now . YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DAGGERS! OFC THEY CAN KILL TANK NOWADAYS IDIOT! My bro is a dagger 87 and he has killed tanks 87 with same gear a lot of times. So learn to pvp and then make a post...
Or go back to your cave and your private.
I was bored to reply on this useless topic so I will just copy my reply from another QQdaggerssucks topic.
Obviously non of you knows **** about the dagger class.
Here is a list why othell rogue is one the best class out there for pvp and pve.
Lets start with PvE:
1)When crafters starts hitting 90s and can craft some R2 gear they need materials and guess how they will get them?That's right from the freaking othells.
2)Othells will be needed on the new high lvl zones because mobs there have high Pdef and Huge amount of HP and guess which class can half kill them and drop them like a fly.That's right sir,it's Othells again.
3)Sole PvE is the easiest thing to do with an othell and dual daggers even w/o ISS buffs(elixirs are mandatory tho) because you have almost capped out your focus and atk.speed.
PvP:
1)They can stab any class for tons of damage if you DONT FORGET to pop up maximun critical ALWAYS!That low-timed buff is focus death and focus chance combined and guess what its way better because it increases crit dmg and chance rate of skills even from the front!
2)They have A LOT of debuffs.Scorpion poison increases the damage dealt to the target and the critical rate of skills,combined with maximun critical lvl 3 you became a powerfull killing machine.You have 2 stuns,3 slows which one of them decreases shield defense rate(----> part 3*) and an accuracy debuff.You also have a freaking anchor!!!I forgot the poison needle which is great when the enemy is casting long casting powerfull skills.
3)You can actually kill tanks.Yes,im not over exaggeratin.Your half kills can smack the enemies tank hp and cp which then make it easy to kill on mass pvps.
4)CP is the only defence on GoD.As many of you have noticed CP got increased like hell.When your CP drops to 0 its a matter of time before you die and thats why Othells are mandatory for pvps.Four out of your five skills can half kill that means that even if one lands its a win win situation for you unless you are a noob.
5)NOTHING can touch.Being an LE I have 5 evasive skills.Lets list them:
1)Ultimate evasion. Evade most normal skills/attacks and gives a huge resistance to debuffs and on top of that it cancels your enemies target.
2)Angel of death. Oh god I love that skill.Increases evasion from skills/attacks,resistance to debuffs,INCREASES your stab chance AND anchors the target!
3)Prevision. Increases evasion AND magic evasion by 30.
4)Evasion. You evade any meele AND RANGED skills attacks.
5)Hide. Totally removes debuffs,gives you bonus recovery AND you have the chance to backstabb one more time.
If you still believe that Othell's luck at any aspect of the game then you are surely not made for that character.
AMEN!
Nice post. You know about for class.. Not like the other noobs!!! + 1.
Just out of curiosity, in which part are you gonna try to prove me wrong?
the rogue one, or the tanker?
U can't kill a tank being an othel, sadly I´m not on your server... used to be on gustin, later phoenix later chronos but i can't remember the account name there.
U can't kill a tank being an othel, sadly I´m not on your server... used to be on gustin, later phoenix later chronos but i can't remember the account name there.
So let me check if we are on the same page
I'm not saying tanks are easy enemies
I'm not saying i have a 100% winning rate against them
I'm saying daggers have chances to kill tanks now, unlikely before GoD
and when they buff warrios harmomy rogues chance increase like a lot
I've already killed tanks in oly, and out of oly, with my vesper set and my old vesper dual daggers (apoc atm), so how exactely can you prove me wrong?
If you can beat me, IF, you just prove your tanker > my rogue, but i'm still correct even IF i couldn't rogues can still beat tanks
I'm not saying tanks are easy enemies
I'm not saying i have a 100% winning rate against them
I'm saying daggers have chances to kill tanks now, unlikely before GoD
and when they buff warrios harmomy rogues chance increase like a lot
I've already killed tanks in oly, and out of oly, with my vesper set and my old vesper dual daggers (apoc atm), so how exactely can you prove me wrong?
If you can beat me, IF, you just prove your tanker > my rogue, but i'm still correct even IF i couldn't rogues can still beat tanks
Let me check if you are on the same GAME
I have defeated countless othel... in fact I think they are the easiest to kill. They have nothing to deal real damage to a tank. Like 5% on half kill is gonna own yeah sure.
2 othel can take my cps no more than that.
I bet you have this hidden skill which no other othel has and u have this +20 weapon with +20 armor ... cause all daggers I've fight and talked think that killing a sigel is impossible if alone
Let me check if you are on the same GAME
I have defeated countless othel... in fact I think they are the easiest to kill. They have nothing to deal real damage to a tank. Like 5% on half kill is gonna own yeah sure.
2 othel can take my cps no more than that.
so 5% half-kills....
and 2 othells can take only your cp?
are you aware that half-kill takes your cp first then 1/2 of your current hp?
did you know othell have a giant-AoE poison skill that reduces your shild p def?
not to mention hide, ue, and so much thing would be a waste of time to talk about cause
Clearly you dont know what you are talking about, this is a thread made by a QQ where an out-dated tank who think he is still God is QQing, i'm done here
so 5% half-kills....
and 2 othells can take only your cp?
are you aware that half-kill takes your cp first then 1/2 of your current hp?
did you know othell have a giant-AoE poison skill that reduces your shild p def?
not to mention hide, ue, and so much thing would be a waste of time to talk about cause
Clearly you dont know what you are talking about, this is a thread made by a QQ where an out-dated tank who think he is still God is QQing, i'm done here
I am, but 50% of my 26khp is enough to kill any othel.
Besides 5% chances divided by 30% of crit resistance divided by 30% reflection is like 0.005 % so if you think that is gonna win ... well i can't say much.
UE = fail
Hide = 1 more hit
Poison means nothing unbind skill removes it in 0.5 secs or the cubic does besides I can move out pal hahaha
but you are forgetting about, UD, Prot of faith, Focus Shield, Physical mirror (yes i didn't trade that) Iron aura,... man U can't kill a tank. even before awaken i could run to town or SOE (standard) to any othel or Yul with no problem.
Edit. Do you think ur talking to a new player here? HAHAHA LMAO
wth are you talking about? That makes no sense.
Yes, play as gatekeeper.
Just stay in town and receive adena from players, no pvp / pve need. Is the best toonstyle for crying newbies.
Ncsoft "plaync actualy" tried to balance classes so all should play with all classes depending on what they want the most.
For example before GOD u saw
human dagger-archer cause of the passive skills
delf mage cause of the echo
Orc buffer casue of the party buffs
and etc.
Now u see all kind of classes and races cause they balanced classes.
1st post= thanks fo making daggers useless = thanks for not leting me kill everyone in 1 lethal while the only thing i have done in my life was to lvl up 1 char overpowered to kill everyone else.
The game has moved on.This is not an interlude private server, this is NC.
Korea beleives in RPG and tries to make the most of it. Get used to it or find something like counterstrike or LoL if the only thing you care about is pvp.
This kind of threads make me sad sometimes, GOD only has like 2 months and people already want to be zerg with their class by spaming F's all the time... Unless you're an L2 prodigy I don't think you will learn your class that fast. Please try to at least have some knowlegde on your class before making this threads.
i just typed a huge post about this and the forum signed me out. **** my life.
shortened version of it:
Why does maximum critical need leveled up? it's ******ed to expect us to get level 2/3 during a pvp when other classes do the same damage off the bat. Why doesn't bloodstab ever land thus limiting us to two blows per fight? Why does my dash give me 26 less run speed?
I don't think rogues suck but the above are huge failures with Rogues..
Using poison zone in pvp sucks too, clicking on the floor as a rogue who is trying to get to the enemies back is annoying. not to mention the bug where it doesn't cast and gets glitched.
Keep your clever asseveration for your self next time sherlok.
Why wouldn't you use em at the same time? Maybe some were banned ? because of botting maybe ? You have amnesia, forgetting your logins ? You didn't know you can make more toons per account ?
Why would you have more than 5 accounts? You can make 7 toon per account to have all classes (assuming someone would be living in social solitude to have time to make all 35 classes and level them)...
You wouldn't need more than 5 accounts to have full buff support and a DD either.
I think it's safe to asume that someone with 9 accounts isn't being legit, you have no life outside of lineage2 and you are just stupid for making 9 accounts.
I don't need to be sherlock to draw that conclusion.
Why wouldn't you use em at the same time? Maybe some were banned ? because of botting maybe ? You have amnesia, forgetting your logins ? You didn't know you can make more toons per account ?
Why would you have more than 5 accounts? You can make 7 toon per account to have all classes (assuming someone would be living in social solitude to have time to make all 35 classes and level them)...
You wouldn't need more than 5 accounts to have full buff support and a DD either.
I think it's safe to asume that someone with 9 accounts isn't being legit, you have no life outside of lineage2 and you are just stupid for making 9 accounts.
I don't need to be sherlock to draw that conclusion.
But you certainly are not good at drawing conclusions, why do I want to have more than 1 toon per account?
Can I use a buffer to dual box if in the same account?
do all the buffers are the same?
what about having a selling toon? another crafter for some extra cash?
What I can conclude from your speech, you can't afford paying multiple accounts and you can pay 1 or 2 so having more than that is difficult for you (you coming to Retails as they were made F2P which proves what I said), but paying 150 USD monthly was not an issue for me.
Nowadays I don't use more than 2, occasionally i have a 3rd char for storage - sell, but back in time when leveling and getting valuable stuff was hard, more than 5 accounts helped me to keep cash coming pal.
So it's safe to assume that you are poor, stupid and new to l2 retails
But you certainly are not good at drawing conclusions, why do I want to have more than 1 toon per account?
Can I use a buffer to dual box if in the same account?
do all the buffers are the same?
what about having a selling toon? another crafter for some extra cash?
What I can conclude from your speech, you can't afford paying multiple accounts and you can pay 1 or 2 so having more than that is difficult for you (you coming to Retails as they were made F2P which proves what I said), but paying 150 USD monthly was not an issue for me.
Nowadays I don't use more than 2, occasionally i have a 3rd char for storage - sell, but back in time when leveling and getting valuable stuff was hard, more than 5 accounts helped me to keep cash coming pal.
So it's safe to assume that you are poor, stupid and new to l2 retails
You claim that I'm new and joined when L2 went F2P????
Your forum account is from December 2011, should I asume the same ?
Just FYI, my main account is from 2004 (OB), this being my 2nd account is from 2006... I played on the original Bartz.
Why would not wanting to spend 150$ (100€) on a game make me poor ?
I've spend 28 euros (35$ per) month on L2 for years and I think that's more than enaugh to spend on a friggin game ...
(Saying that makes u look like one of them Apple kiddies that cry that others just don't like Apple because they 'can't afford it' ...LOL)
All more I will say on this topic is that it's safe to asume that: 1. You are realy stupid to 'need' 9 accounts. 2. Your life has no purpose outside of L2, or 3. You are doing something 'not so legit'...
Judging from your 'bragging' about your 9 accounts makes me want to bet you're a mixture of option 1 and 2...
i just typed a huge post about this and the forum signed me out. **** my life.
shortened version of it:
Why does maximum critical need leveled up? it's ******ed to expect us to get level 2/3 during a pvp when other classes do the same damage off the bat. Why doesn't bloodstab ever land thus limiting us to two blows per fight? Why does my dash give me 26 less run speed?
I don't think rogues suck but the above are huge failures with Rogues..
Using poison zone in pvp sucks too, clicking on the floor as a rogue who is trying to get to the enemies back is annoying. not to mention the bug where it doesn't cast and gets glitched.
Hi Rob!
In group vs group, rogues are generally not targeted first. Rogues have plenty of time to level maximum critical. Max crit lvl 1 is amazing and especially useful for auto attacking debuff/buff. Rogue's priority is to focus healers, this means auto attacking to crit wound them (scorpion poison) and lvl max crit then proceeding to the stabs. Rogues have a lot more survivability than they're given credit with hide (1 min at +5) which crits often, UE and Angel of Death which tend to also skill crit. They have tons of CC which can become a nightmare for a focused enemy. Poison zone is underused, especially considering how many healers wear heavy and a shield. I know its glitchy but it just takes some careful and decisive timing to drop. Dash also gives 10 evasion, hp recovery and is the full 66 runspeed at lvl 99. This skill can also be enchanted for time, and will skill crit - it should always be up. Quick chase is only a 15 second reuse, guarantees the enemies back and will stun. The level 99 skill like quick chase + death clock is just broken. People need to stop underestimating the viability of a rogue, and stop being so shortsighted. Come endgame I think these "rogue is gimp" threads will be "wtf rogue is OP"
As for the tank debate, its not hard to keep a tank in a psn zone (Kick,chase,bluff,para), avoid their UDs with kiting/hide/ue, and just cp drain/half kill them. I've beaten several tanks in mass pvp and single. Honestly a summoner is more tanky than a tank and a hell of a lot scarier to fight for a rogue. I'd rather fight tanks over most classes because their DPS is so managable as a rogue and if its anything you want as a rogue its mitigating your dmg (evasion tanking). Right now Nukers, Good/Lucky Archers, and Summoners are extremely anti-rogue. I expect some of this to change with levels.
You claim that I'm new and joined when L2 went F2P????
Your forum account is from December 2011, should I asume the same ?
Just FYI, my main account is from 2004 (OB), this being my 2nd account is from 2006... I played on the original Bartz.
Why would not wanting to spend 150$ (100€) on a game make me poor ?
I've spend 28 euros (35$ per) month on L2 for years and I think that's more than enaugh to spend on a friggin game ...
(Saying that makes u look like one of them Apple kiddies that cry that others just don't like Apple because they 'can't afford it' ...LOL)
All more I will say on this topic is that it's safe to asume that: 1. You are realy stupid to 'need' 9 accounts. 2. Your life has no purpose outside of L2, or 3. You are doing something 'not so legit'...
Judging from your 'bragging' about your 9 accounts makes me want to bet you're a mixture of option 1 and 2...
Goodbye...;)
I can afford 9 accounts with not saying ... 35USD is enough for a freaking game cause I earn a lot more than that per hour at work. So be sure i have a purpose outside l2... more than you, I bet since i can waste 150 with ease on a game.
Haha indeed you are poor, stupid and new to l2 retails.
Bye.
NOTE: this being your second account it's from 2011, or you waited 5 years to join the forums?
I can afford 9 accounts with not saying ... 35USD is enough for a freaking game cause I earn a lot more than that per hour at work. So be sure i have a purpose outside l2... more than you, I bet since i can waste 150 with ease on a game.
Haha indeed you are poor, stupid and new to l2 retails.
Bye.
NOTE: this being your second account it's from 2011, or you waited 5 years to join the forums?
Just because you claim to be financially set in life does not give you the right to look down on people with less financial income. Anything can happen you can lose it all just like that. Making fun of someone's financial situation does not make you better than them,makes you look pathetic.
Just because you claim to be financially set in life does not give you the right to look down on people with less financial income. Anything can happen you can lose it all just like that. Making fun of someone's financial situation does not make you better than them,makes you look pathetic.
Callingpoor to someone is not looking down, is just a fact.
Poor: having little or no money, goods, or other means of support.
So don't start with this, you called me noob, stupid and boter and now you want to state that im insulting.
Pathetic pal. just pathetic.
Besides this has nothing to do with thread. so last reply from my side.
Lvl 89 othel rogue posting in a QQ thread about rogues...
P.S: I play dagger since old bartz c1....
So here we go,
Rogue is not useless/gimped/whatever, it got a bit harder to play.... u need to move more, keep ur scorpion poison up all time( is like the old critical wound), maximum critical ALWAYS up(focus power +chance/ it increases stab dmg even from front)...
Pick ur fights.... don't go in like a brainless chicken and try to facestab everyone, play as a rogue should, go from behind, focus on robes..
About killing tanks.... u cannot own em 1 v 1... or yeah u can if the are mentally handicapped..
Give it time, farm epics, overenchant your skills and than u shall pwn ALL of em. Hoping to pwn every class with a rogue now is like if u were a 76 WindRider/ghostHunter/Adventurier in pre GoD chronicles and hoping to kill mages 78+... Rogues are same as Daggers were pre GoD in terms of mechanics...they need end game and epics to 1 stab everyone...
As for the guy who started the thread: If u cry already for spending 3 weeks leveling from 1 to 85 as a melee than i strongly advice u crawl back to ur 1000x brasilian l2java and enjoy the 1 elpy kill = lvl 99.
In the end... Rogue is the most challenging class of Lineage2....if your body is not ready for that i advice u to play a Yul Archer...he is same as before...maybe now u have 5 keys to stroke in order to win, instead of the 3 keys u used to pre GoD...
Just because you claim to be financially set in life does not give you the right to look down on people with less financial income. Anything can happen you can lose it all just like that. Making fun of someone's financial situation does not make you better than them,makes you look pathetic.
Lol... I asure you, my financial income is just fine...:D
PS. it's easy (and common) to claim you're rich on the internet...
For all we know he's living in his parents attic, paying lineage2 from his paperjob...
Thanks, 3 weeks to make a dagger and its ****** useless, i cant even get a party. does good damage to 1 mob while every other toon does 10k damage to 6 mobs at a time. I just pvpd an 85 yul w/ my 85 rogue, I double skill crit him from the back for 2500, he normal face crits me just pew pew, no skill for 2500. cool shiit. WTS lvl 85 rogue.
I've just seen a Screen when my friend Kevhar (Lvl. 85 Othel) landed a 90.818 hit to a mob. Also, is easier for you to get invited for Garden of Genesis than for me (Yul).
I know, its a bit offtopic, but want to get use that soo many active daggers in this topic... so pls, if you can, reply me
I chossed single apocalypse dagger which is now +4 and 300 holy, but I am not sure, what to do know
1. keep it and put there SA, focus or haste? I heard, that for Oly could be better than dual, but not sure
2. rather make dual daggers apocalypse, and use it with Damage Up SA? single sell (if find unbind scroll) or throw to junk :(
I know, its a bit offtopic, but want to get use that soo many active daggers in this topic... so pls, if you can, reply me
I chossed single apocalypse dagger which is now +4 and 300 holy, but I am not sure, what to do know
1. keep it and put there SA, focus or haste? I heard, that for Oly could be better than dual, but not sure
2. rather make dual daggers apocalypse, and use it with Damage Up SA? single sell (if find unbind scroll) or throw to junk :(
thx a lot for all help
Overenchant ur single dagger mastery, play single dagger, add +15 dex and rely on half kills. I play single dagger aswell and it works pretty fine. As for SA...if u are oly oriented go for haste. For farm single dagger is good aswell... Orbis Temple farm = lethals .
Thanks, 3 weeks to make a dagger and its ****** useless, i cant even get a party. does good damage to 1 mob while every other toon does 10k damage to 6 mobs at a time. I just pvpd an 85 yul w/ my 85 rogue, I double skill crit him from the back for 2500, he normal face crits me just pew pew, no skill for 2500. cool shiit. WTS lvl 85 rogue.
Sorry for bad resolution i just forgot about change the resolution in L2 settings recording try to watch the video in low resolution and 720p, but at least you can see im doing a nice dmg, and if you know how to use your hide/disparition skills no one will focusing on you, and you can easy take down healers/archers.
Sorry for my bad english and the bad resolution U.U
actually 1. no class is useless just learn how to play it
2. why is everyone whining about classes
3. I have seen rogues take out a whole party of awakened pvpers I have also seen a tank take a whole party of awakened pvpers.
So if you keep dying in pvp train more!
I dont know about beating knights but as I saw at my brother, they never lost vs othell as warrior or enchanter. Maybe the ones you pvp against have no armor, no enchants, zero elements and last but most important, they have no idea how to play their classes.
1)They can stab any class for tons of damage if you DONT FORGET to pop up maximun critical ALWAYS!That low-timed buff is focus death and focus chance combined and guess what its way better because it increases crit dmg and chance rate of skills even from the front!
That's a lie, at least I've been testing and critical maximum, not add more damage from the front, as the focus death, before hitting more hit less, just more damage in the back and side
Sarcasm in bad english:
I hear rumours about daggers get a new stone of the best destiny in chronicle "Glory of blood aliance", definitely the class will be extinct in the game because it was not possible to create a balancing of the same.
Thanks, 3 weeks to make a dagger and its ****** useless, i cant even get a party. does good damage to 1 mob while every other toon does 10k damage to 6 mobs at a time. I just pvpd an 85 yul w/ my 85 rogue, I double skill crit him from the back for 2500, he normal face crits me just pew pew, no skill for 2500. cool shiit. WTS lvl 85 rogue.
1st thing....1-85 in 3 weeks is easy. try being old veteran like me where it took weeks and months to obtain some lvls..
2nd thing...you may not really know this class just after 3 weeks of playing it
3rd thing....top pvper in my clan is an Othello Rouge and he has 2-3 times more pvp wins than the next closet person whos an archer with +7 apoc bow, also with 1/2 kill skill
Daggers now days are meant for 1 thing - spoiling. These bulls***s about a "dagger can take whole party alone", well we listen them every single time a new chronicle comes out. The truth is EVERY class with +6 set, full epic jew set, OE weapon and skills can take a whole party of NORMAL ppl. This is not the inventing of the wheel. I honestly ROFL when ppl start with "u have 80% chance of evasion; 353487562387% chance for half-kill" and so on. Even with 500 crit rate you can make 50+ hits w/o landing a single critical. My archer killed a tank 2 lvl above mine(with TW armor, full ressist and in UD) with 4 crit reuses of Pinpoint shot and 4 of them half-kills. Yes i have +STR dyes and items and OE skills, but this is not skill, it's just PURE LUCK. That applies even more for the daggers. Every char that depends on half-kill/lethal strike, not just brute p.atk needs a lot of luck to win. So if you don't feel lucky at all, better make a tank and give him active+passive reflect. That way you can enter oly and go watch tv; ppl will suicide in you every single fight.
P.S
Btw on the topic with the reflect - i prefer removing it along with the vampiric rage from the range attacks like it used to be. I don't see the point of it. Archers never needed VR, cos nothing drains their HP in a first place.
Oh, Great Wise Dagger, please teach me what are those unbelievable powers that i fail to recognize?
We have 4 skills with 5 sec CD that i can actualy use TWICE in a mass pvp, 2 self buffs that i have to cast every 15 seconds in a pvp situation, 2-3 buffs that give some significant power boost for 20 seconds but have 10 minutes reuse.
Oh Oh! I forgot! I have an AWSOME KICK IN THE ***.
That does no dmg at all. Oh and it fails too.
L2 is beyond your skill set then if you can't even keep self buffs up.
4 skills with a 5 second cool down that you can use twice in 'mass pvp' meaning your pvp lasts for 10 seconds? Then it should be no problem to keep your 15 second sell buffs up, and again your 10 minute cd's lasting 20 seconds? That's double the length of your 'mass pvp'.
Pvp on all dps classes now means not just spamming skills, but to correctly use your disable (that lawl 0 dmg qq kick) to kill your opponents.
dagger- too much micro managing for you
warrior- easier i would say than dagger to slack on, but keeping those forces and armor destruction up :/ might be too hard for your a.d.d.
Wizard- has potential, but i feel like you might just stand there instead of kiting around.
Healer- god help us all.
Archer- same boat as rogue....
Tank- too much micro managing, hating of healer, dd's etc. no.
Summoner- Great class for you, not good in pvp, but like most summoners in pvp you can just let your pets get hated by the tank and wait until the pvp is over.
Dagger became more challenging and less 2 dimensional when GoD came out imo. It takes a lot more timing and skill to be a "good" dagger now. I would definitely say it is the hardest and most "gimp" class when it comes to high level PvP. When the new update comes out then Rogues will definitely be way more powerful
Dagger became more challenging and less 2 dimensional when GoD came out imo. It takes a lot more timing and skill to be a "good" dagger now. I would definitely say it is the hardest and most "gimp" class when it comes to high level PvP. When the new update comes out then Rogues will definitely be way more powerful
It's also a popular class to the point that sometimes getting in a party is harder seeing getting a dagger is no problem.
It's also a popular class to the point that sometimes getting in a party is harder seeing getting a dagger is no problem.
People tend to take the most skilled players. I had no problem getting into top groups and xping with people. If you slack and make xp horrible then people look else where :p
People tend to take the most skilled players. I had no problem getting into top groups and xping with people. If you slack and make xp horrible then people look else where :p
I guess it depends how many daggers you have in clan. random parties it's well random luck heh