So heres a litle thing, I dont mind fighting top botters, as long as i got no lag and decent frame rate. I got a very good hardware and excellent broadband.
That being said let me tell ya about the last siege.
- 65 ppl in CC on my side, defending castle. We wait for the enemy at the hill. No lag, good freme rate.
- 4 parties of enemy rushing in, two medicore clans, pretty much same as we are, no heroes, no red weapons, still no lag, slightly decrase in frame rate when battle takes on, but thats normal.
- We won, they went back to town, we regrouped again, still no lag and frame rate went back to very good.
- One party [7 ppl], two heroes, all so called top pvpers, top lvls etc etc. rushed at us, not even signed, obviosuly came to tease with us, they attacked and instant lag appeared, frame rate went down drastically, game became unplayable.
- They wiped us all and PRed. So I ask on CC did any of them experienced same thing, I was told yes and its because of the scripts they used.
Ok..... so how the hell is that even possible? I mean fine with walker, fine with radar, i got used to it, but making enemys lag and lost frame rates ? Jeeezzzzz
So heres a litle thing, I dont mind fighting top botters, as long as i got no lag and decent frame rate. I got a very good hardware and excellent broadband.
That being said let me tell ya about the last siege.
- 65 ppl in CC on my side, defending castle. We wait for the enemy at the hill. No lag, good freme rate.
- 4 parties of enemy rushing in, two medicore clans, pretty much same as we are, no heroes, no red weapons, still no lag, slightly decrase in frame rate when battle takes on, but thats normal.
- We won, they went back to town, we regrouped again, still no lag and frame rate went back to very good.
- One party [7 ppl], two heroes, all so called top pvpers, top lvls etc etc. rushed at us, not even signed, obviosuly came to tease with us, they attacked and instant lag appeared, frame rate went down drastically, game became unplayable.
- They wiped us all and PRed. So I ask on CC did any of them experienced same thing, I was told yes and its because of the scripts they used.
Ok..... so how the hell is that even possible? I mean fine with walker, fine with radar, i got used to it, but making enemys lag and lost frame rates ? Jeeezzzzz
funny that now clan with no "red weapons" is considered a bad thing, since when does paying lots of money to play a game make you good at it...
lol it doesnt make u lag. the horrible engine makes u lag.
do NOT blame the engine, the unreal engine is really good, blame NC who worked with it :)
but comments aside we are all crying for an anti-bot that blocks farming and pvping programs, NCWest help!!!
So heres a litle thing, I dont mind fighting top botters, as long as i got no lag and decent frame rate. I got a very good hardware and excellent broadband.
That being said let me tell ya about the last siege.
- 65 ppl in CC on my side, defending castle. We wait for the enemy at the hill. No lag, good freme rate.
- 4 parties of enemy rushing in, two medicore clans, pretty much same as we are, no heroes, no red weapons, still no lag, slightly decrase in frame rate when battle takes on, but thats normal.
- We won, they went back to town, we regrouped again, still no lag and frame rate went back to very good.
- One party [7 ppl], two heroes, all so called top pvpers, top lvls etc etc. rushed at us, not even signed, obviosuly came to tease with us, they attacked and instant lag appeared, frame rate went down drastically, game became unplayable.
- They wiped us all and PRed. So I ask on CC did any of them experienced same thing, I was told yes and its because of the scripts they used.
Ok..... so how the hell is that even possible? I mean fine with walker, fine with radar, i got used to it, but making enemys lag and lost frame rates ? Jeeezzzzz
It is not a policy of NCWest to fight with bots, The policy of NCWest is "say that we will fight".
Moreover for all ppl who traing to fight with bots NCWest already have an answer:"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
do NOT blame the engine, the unreal engine is really good, blame NC who worked with it :)
but comments aside we are all crying for an anti-bot that blocks farming and pvping programs, NCWest help!!!
u mean was good... 10 years ago. problem is the game isnt optimized for new hardware such as multicore processors and multigpu set ups. if it was, we could run much better in mass pvp.
You lag when people running scripts come arround because the scripts are doing a ton of actions per minute that you can't even see. Get a bunch of the same players with similar AMP around you and you lag.
Every other answer here is either has nothing to do with the matter, invalid, or just plain trolling.
My theory is that its not really scripting it is that they scan information packages around them they shouldn't be scanning using progs. Like that they can see you are hiding, your class, if you target them, your equipment and level etc. They can use this in their script and make the whole cc auto attack the highest level healer or the best equiped damage dealer targeting your healer. Of course this requires getting a lot of information from the network and that is why you lag.
As progs don't care about frame rates or seeing, they are less bothered by lag.
This is one theory, other theory could be that you lag because suddenly a lot of new PCs are loaded and have to be rendered in your screen. Much like what happens if you port into Aden.
So this explains a lot...
I checked out hall of orbis entrance the other day..7vs7 top clans..impossible to see wtf was going on.
But on TW average clan vs average clan was much less laggy.
My theory is that its not really scripting it is that they scan information packages around them they shouldn't be scanning using progs. Like that they can see you are hiding, your class, if you target them, your equipment and level etc. They can use this in their script and make the whole cc auto attack the highest level healer or the best equiped damage dealer targeting your healer. Of course this requires getting a lot of information from the network and that is why you lag.
As progs don't care about frame rates or seeing, they are less bothered by lag.
This is one theory, other theory could be that you lag because suddenly a lot of new PCs are loaded and have to be rendered in your screen. Much like what happens if you port into Aden.
+1 on that post
the lag from loading players is nothink compered to the freezing lag when u load all PC's from the "top scrip pvp clans"
u mean was good... 10 years ago. problem is the game isnt optimized for new hardware such as multicore processors and multigpu set ups. if it was, we could run much better in mass pvp.
Many of the newer games run with the Engine Unreal 3, the first unreal engine was very good in 98 when it came and it is much better now, and YES it supports multicores and multigpus
not sure of what version they use at l2 atm but if they have an out-dated version it is not the engine fault, is it?
but what you said is partially correct, "problem is the game isnt optimized" the game isn't again, blame who worked with the engine, not the engine
Many of the newer games run with the Engine Unreal 3, the first unreal engine was very good in 98 when it came and it is much better now, and YES it supports multicores and multigpus
not sure of what version they use at l2 atm but if they have an out-dated version it is not the engine fault, is it?
but what you said is partially correct, "problem is the game isnt optimized" the game isn't again, blame who worked with the engine, not the engine
Lineage 2 uses the Unreal 2.5 engine.
Not really a surprise for me, I'm almost sure (personal opinion here :P) that some scripts act too fast and communicate packets too fast for the normal client, therefore it's messy against scripts :)
So heres a litle thing, I dont mind fighting top botters, as long as i got no lag and decent frame rate. I got a very good hardware and excellent broadband.
That being said let me tell ya about the last siege.
- 65 ppl in CC on my side, defending castle. We wait for the enemy at the hill. No lag, good freme rate.
- 4 parties of enemy rushing in, two medicore clans, pretty much same as we are, no heroes, no red weapons, still no lag, slightly decrase in frame rate when battle takes on, but thats normal.
- We won, they went back to town, we regrouped again, still no lag and frame rate went back to very good.
- One party [7 ppl], two heroes, all so called top pvpers, top lvls etc etc. rushed at us, not even signed, obviosuly came to tease with us, they attacked and instant lag appeared, frame rate went down drastically, game became unplayable.
- They wiped us all and PRed. So I ask on CC did any of them experienced same thing, I was told yes and its because of the scripts they used.
Ok..... so how the hell is that even possible? I mean fine with walker, fine with radar, i got used to it, but making enemys lag and lost frame rates ? Jeeezzzzz
did they had mages?
did those mages used shadow snare skill ?
did those mages used mass aoes ?
you got you lag "soft" answer , wizz aoe skills + shadow snare creating enormous lag ,
part that they dont lag even when everyone does its different story :) and its not because they got better pcs o/
You lag when people running scripts come arround because the scripts are doing a ton of actions per minute that you can't even see. Get a bunch of the same players with similar AMP around you and you lag.
Every other answer here is either has nothing to do with the matter, invalid, or just plain trolling.
My theory is that its not really scripting it is that they scan information packages around them they shouldn't be scanning using progs. Like that they can see you are hiding, your class, if you target them, your equipment and level etc. They can use this in their script and make the whole cc auto attack the highest level healer or the best equiped damage dealer targeting your healer. Of course this requires getting a lot of information from the network and that is why you lag.
As progs don't care about frame rates or seeing, they are less bothered by lag.
This is one theory, other theory could be that you lag because suddenly a lot of new PCs are loaded and have to be rendered in your screen. Much like what happens if you port into Aden.
Answers I was looking for. Makes sense.
So the lag is simply a (beneficial) byproduct of the script itself rather than the script committing the act on a whim. On top of the inhumane reflexes scripts grant the users they also lag out other players simply from use.
this is a known issue.
at least known by the players.
it's not the nukes, or the flashing lights which cause lag.
these players only have to walk in your range for lag to occur.
they need not attack for half your team to disconnect.
those who do not disconnect experience 10 seconds, to some times 2 minutes... of frozen screen. (2 is an exaggeration, i've had 45 seconds myself)
Yes they do.
But that's not so simple, it also affects them too, but since they don't have to do anything really, they won't complain, unless they meet another scripted group.
Also if you use BP/Wtfast you won't lag coz you'll broadcast / recieve packets faster.
Ok..... so how the hell is that even possible? I mean fine with walker, fine with radar, i got used to it, but making enemys lag and lost frame rates ? Jeeezzzzz
Can you please explain me, how you will make enemy lag and you will stay totaly without lags or freezes?
did they had mages?
did those mages used shadow snare skill ?
did those mages used mass aoes ?
you got you lag "soft" answer , wizz aoe skills + shadow snare creating enormous lag ,
part that they dont lag even when everyone does its different story :) and its not because they got better pcs o/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGlUF0CpEOM
you remember this pvp?
you remember the tears of Tauson especially when they fight Daevart?
was endless stories when someone fight vs Daevart grp,so dont tell us about aoe's and mages because i know better fairytale to tell!
Can you please explain me, how you will make enemy lag and you will stay totaly without lags or freezes?
leave clan-->log with normal client(if u remember how)-->go in any 7vs7 or mass-->enjoy
leave clan-->log with normal client(if u remember how)-->go in any 7vs7 or mass-->enjoy
So everyone who is in SH is using modificated client and ranger? Sweety i dont want break your dreams but you are wrong. Still waiting for answer.
Can you please explain me, how you will make enemy lag and you will stay totaly without lags or freezes?
The script users do lag and their screen will show it.
However, because programs are automating actions and there's barely any human input the fps decrease and lag doesn't really matter. Bots don't look at the character and control them, they work from inside the computer so they don't need to see the characters.
Or that's what the users in this thread claim. Which does make sense.
The script users do lag and their screen will show it.
However, because programs are automating actions and there's barely any human input the fps decrease and lag doesn't really matter. Bots don't look at the character and control them, they work from inside the computer so they don't need to see the characters.
Or that's what the users in this thread claim. Which does make sense.
The server is sending packets to the client, and then the client should process those packets. If your internet struggle at the first point receiving too many packets, you can have any software you want you can't react "super fast" since you are still receiving the packets slowly
@ Laby:
I would dare to disagree here. All kinds of services like BattlePing, LowerPing, WTFast, I dont know what else solve this problem. Problem is with connection of ISPs to US.
u mean was good... 10 years ago. problem is the game isnt optimized for new hardware such as multicore processors and multigpu set ups. if it was, we could run much better in mass pvp.
The problem isnt the engine age. Its gameguard. Have you ever played on private servers where u dont need it? Game runs 2x, 3x better.
But for the topic matter, I had problems also with that surprise lag when cheaters come by.
The real problem is that i dont remember whats not to deal with that.. on chronos 95% of fights are like this.
dont know which server you play , at naia many abusers inside coc/oly doing the same with red weapons :(
that allways happened me when top pvp clans come in sieges. lmao.
I thought it was my isp or something, but now I realize what is.
Thx h-o-e/gauri/rr/nova/argo for the lag
Scripts and bots in this game? nah you are all wrong, all people here are legit, and all of them get 100 billion/weak to spend in the 3 rare ítem auctions:
dont know which server you play , at naia many abusers inside coc/oly doing the same with red weapons :(
The performance of the game is a bit improved since that time. Using GPN programs like WTFAST makes the game playable even against the "Scripters" imho. True that game is no longer free to play since u don't pay NC, but other companies to able to play on NA servers from Europe.
So everyone who is in SH is using modificated client and ranger? Sweety i dont want break your dreams but you are wrong. Still waiting for answer.You can make a generalization but most do. Fighting against daevart is "fun" even now... and lets not talk about Advol's "400 Assist per Minute" videos. And its not limited to SH only... And since NC doesn't want to implement a protection against ******* mainly, ppl are not "shy" about having script for everything from interrupting skills to w/e u can imagine.
1. Engine of Lineage 2 is rly bad, it's old and bored
2. Yes, my L2 was instaled in SSD 250GB, and normaly I've good FPS, but sometimes some player make me with low fps and sometime my l2 freeze for 2~3 sec, but maybe is bug of L2 and not script, I'm not sure
So everyone who is in SH is using modificated client and ranger? Sweety i dont want break your dreams but you are wrong. Still waiting for answer.
i dont want to ruin your innocent thoughts about your new clan sweety, but LoL.
Even if you seriously believe what you are saying (and i so much hope for you, that you dont) you shouldnt put your own hand into the fire for ppl you dont rly know.
I doubt all those meatshields in SH that just joined to take some epic jewels (like your cp) in exchange for some assist, are using scripts.
But the fact that the core of your clan is using them.
I've been there, i've seen it. Though i wont mention nicks, but denying those facts is just lol.
i dont want to ruin your innocent thoughts about your new clan sweety, but LoL.
Even if you seriously believe what you are saying (and i so much hope for you, that you dont) you shouldnt put your own hand into the fire for ppl you dont rly know.
I doubt all those meatshields in SH that just joined to take some epic jewels (like your cp) in exchange for some assist, are using scripts.
But the fact that the core of your clan is using them.
I've been there, i've seen it. Though i wont mention nicks, but denying those facts is just lol.
Enjoy your pink kitty pony world =)
Thank you, i will enjoy my world for sure.
I said if you believe that everyone (keyword) ... not everyone in SH use scripts. It's same like if you say that H1tler (nice censure) was bad guy, all Germans are bad also.
And i'm glad that another random guy, hinding behing his anonymous nick on forum know so much about my cp. Are we really so popular?
- One party [7 ppl], two heroes, all so called top pvpers, top lvls etc etc. rushed at us, not even signed, obviosuly came to tease with us, they attacked and instant lag appeared, frame rate went down drastically, game became unplayable.
If they use 4 scripts run by urself 30 scripts so they got lags too.
Like this man... but, in this video I'm sure that u was with bad connection, can see when u port to Heine, and u still lagged
check the video again , realize the nickname please
The performance of the game is a bit improved since that time. Using GPN programs like WTFAST makes the game playable even against the "Scripters" imho. True that game is no longer free to play since u don't pay NC, but other companies to able to play on NA servers from Europe.
You can make a generalization but most do. Fighting against daevart is "fun" even now... and lets not talk about Advol's "400 Assist per Minute" videos. And its not limited to SH only... And since NC doesn't want to implement a protection against ******* mainly, ppl are not "shy" about having script for everything from interrupting skills to w/e u can imagine.
with wtfast still 10 sec lagg at oly against these :rolleyes:
yes Scripters = laggg everr
in pvp 5 pts vs 5pts no scrip never lagg
butt 1pt scrip vs 1pt not scrip = laggg impossible move
clans top ever use scrip (GM Revise main of clan top)
Gm i am server Shilen
i see for example Newigi (sell buff)in temple Aden never banned and impossible report in town
All Clanes top use scrip and never banned
Clanes latino = bots + Zrange(90%of people)
Everyone uses Scrip friend now
I think I will use some bot also sometime
Gm if you want to hunt many bots do in the Siege and see the surprise that will take (Aden ,Rune ,Giran, Heine etc) or too see olympiad
i play now in L2 japan (have 35 daysfew bot but i never see)
check the video again , realize the nickname please
with wtfast still 10 sec lagg at oly against these :rolleyes:
I know, and I said that sometime I've lag like this video, but for me this video still is bad connection.
But like I said, something is wrong, I freeze in Shadow Chase when I hit some ppls, and yes, always the same clan (not all players)
1. I lag almost every time when I approach a bot train or a member of some of "top pvp clans". I do not lag when I run by normal players.
2. Certain players make me lag even in the Olympiad arena: as soon as the fight starts, all my movements become visibly slow as if I'm swimming in glue.
3. I can literally feel the moment when a group of "strong PvPers" arrives to the area I'm in: FPS decreases and the game freezes for a few seconds even if that group is nowhere on the screen (e.g., on the other floor in the dungeon).
I can pvp on chronos or naia 100v100 and I never have issues. I have a great connection (Upload and download) and a good computer.
You guys are complaining for the wrong reasons.
I don't have issues either with mass seige. In fact, I don't run with any FPS below 55 in L2 after my recent upgrade to my computer. We had epic PvP with Camelot, RR, and a few others that entered the field.
However, last siege only two god d@mn Novabots showed up and it lagged my my entire ally. We zerged them and quickly killed them, but everyone else felt the lag as well the moment Nova came in.
Pretty much the answer to the lag QQers of this thread is this http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=251770
If you still experience lags then you should probably seek advice about checking
and optimizing your connection and your latency reduction service.
Pretty much the answer to the lag QQers of this thread is this http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=251770
If you still experience lags then you should probably seek advice about checking
and optimizing your connection and your latency reduction service.
...I have Internet for business I have a crap ton of bandwidth and connection speed.
Go into PvP against Nova then come back. The lag is unnatural.
Community Manager and two Game Master are online on forums atm.i doubt if they give any reply here:cool:(not to send a ticket,but if this really happening or if it is possible)
you're in your own right to doubt.
GM's and forum mods don't have to respond to threads like these.
some times if they're feeling bold, and confident they will take a shot at it.
but most of the time that just causes more poo to be flung.
it's some times best to let social unrest go un exasperated.