You can reset your Lineage 2 Character PIN from within your NCsoft master account. You will need to know the date of birth you registered on the account in order to do this.
I think it is a bad idea :(
Most of us register between the 24th day of November and December 1, 2011.
This information does not serve as a safety measure to change the PIN
You can reset your Lineage 2 Character PIN from within your NCsoft master account. You will need to know the date of birth you registered on the account in order to do this.
I think it is a bad idea :(
Most of us register between the 24th day of November and December 1, 2011.
This information does not serve as a safety measure to change the PIN
And you want to say that all of the new players were born between 24th of November and 1st of December?
That doesn't even make sense.
It's the day you, the real person, were born.
Not your account, not your toon. It's the date you entered in your account that you were born. Your real birthday.
I don't see the problem here. When you activate the PIN for the first time you don't need your birth date. Just don't forget that PIN and all will be fine.
point is, if someone happens to get your info. I'd guess specifically from a logger. they shouldn't be able to access your characters before you click the PIN in with a mouse and random generated keypad.
No it's not. Deal with it. And tell your epic friends to note their fake DoB next time.
I used different DoBs for different accounts. Fortunately I remember which ones go where but it has nothing to do with being epic. It has everything to do with not wanting NCSoft to have my DoB.
Heya guys....
i will tell simply what is the problem:
I just loged in after the maintenence and saw that PIN-system, but i misunderstood the way it works, i choose the pin but after relog the series of number (the position) changed, so i am not able to remember the right pin-sequence! (i remember just the first 2 numbers) is there a way to reset it, like for expample e-mail or something? :S
Heya guys....
i will tell simply what is the problem:
I just loged in after the maintenence and saw that PIN-system, but i misunderstood the way it works, i choose the pin but after relog the series of number (the position) changed, so i am not able to remember the right pin-sequence! (i remember just the first 2 numbers) is there a way to reset it, like for expample e-mail or something? :S
Wait, I'm not home to see this but are the numbers coming up in different orders each time you log?
Wait, I'm not home to see this but are the numbers coming up in different orders each time you log?
Yes, the number order will be randomized every time you login.
point is, if someone happens to get your info. I'd guess specifically from a logger. they shouldn't be able to access your characters before you click the PIN in with a mouse and random generated keypad.
This is a great thing...wish they had this implemented about 3 months ago...when I was successfully hacked. I am back though and with this new PIN security, I feel much safer.
I used different DoBs for different accounts. Fortunately I remember which ones go where but it has nothing to do with being epic. It has everything to do with not wanting NCSoft to have my DoB.
yes because they might sell it to the Russians or even worse the Koreans come on dude thats just dumb the only thing NC wants with your DoB is to see what demographic your in
I forgot my pin, coz i just entered a random pin the first time, i didnt know what i had to do... how can i recover it?
You know...simple facepalm is not enough...really.
yes because they might sell it to the Russians or even worse the Koreans come on dude thats just dumb the only thing NC wants with your DoB is to see what demographic your in
its pretty smart actually.
anyone one your facebook friends list can easily commit identity theft, and begin to crush your credit rating with NOTHING you can do but watch. then when collection agencies come to your door, and you have nothing to pay, you are dead. kiss whatever life you had goodbye as you can be extradited in ANY country on identity theft. if you owe Cuba tens of trillions of pesos, you're going to cuba to court until you can prove you didnt start that fraud.
imagine how lenient and fair that court is going to be in a country called Congo.
hint: not very.
identity theft is the biggest theft you can ever commit.
anyone one your facebook friends list can easily commit identity theft, and begin to crush your credit rating with NOTHING you can do but watch. then when collection agencies come to your door, and you have nothing to pay, you are dead. kiss whatever life you had goodbye as you can be extradited in ANY country on identity theft. if you owe Cuba tens of trillions of pesos, you're going to cuba to court until you can prove you didnt start that fraud.
imagine how lenient and fair that court is going to be in a country called Congo.
hint: not very.
identity theft is the biggest theft you can ever commit.
lol what the hell?
none of that has anything to do with using your actual birth date for your Lineage II account...
none of that has anything to do with using your actual birth date for your Lineage II account...
oh it does, actually.
people are mysteriously hacked all the time; sometimes genuinely by someone brute force cracking your password, and other times by vagrant employees with access to databases.
if you can't see how anyone shifty enough can be employed for 5 days, steal a few ID's, quit, and go spend money under YOUR credit card, then you have no business being online in the first place.
people are mysteriously hacked all the time; sometimes genuinely by someone brute force cracking your password, and other times by vagrant employees with access to databases.
if you can't see how anyone shifty enough can be employed for 5 days, steal a few ID's, quit, and go spend money under YOUR credit card, then you have no business being online in the first place.
You need to get off the internet, you're starting to believe any crazy conspiracy theory posted, oh and it takes a whole lot more than you b-day to commit identity theft, because by itself it's just a random date
How exactly can someone use your credit card by knowing your date of birth? Gotta live in some strange country if that's how it works over there. Oh and no, nobody from NC is using their database access to get into your account, because passwords are saved in an encrypted form.
am i the ONLY person in the world that prints this information when it is created (regardless of its legitimacy or not) ?
Yes, yes you are.
yes because they might sell it to the Russians or even worse the Koreans come on dude thats just dumb the only thing NC wants with your DoB is to see what demographic your in
No, it has to do with people who might know you IRL who also know your birthday using it to get access to your NCSoft account. Nothing more.
I forgot the pin i typed when first logged in after maintenance. And after i logged out i cant no longer log in the cause the PIN number panel is always different. What should i do now?
I forgot the pin i typed when first logged in after maintenance. And after i logged out i cant no longer log in the cause the PIN number panel is always different. What should i do now?
Contact support?
This new system does not even have link for forgotten character password. It does not even have change character password option. I didnt bother to remember the first pin i typed cause i was thinking that with every log in i myst type new pins.
The idiots from NCsfot didnt even bother to send me email with my new pin.
Well **** OFF nc soft i go play league of legends. The lost of few XP runes wont make suffer.
This new system does not even have link for forgotten character password. It does not even have change character password option. I didnt bother to remember the first pin i typed cause i was thinking that with every log in i myst type new pins.
The idiots from NCsfot didnt even bother to send me email with my new pin.
Well **** OFF nc soft i go play league of legends. The lost of few XP runes wont make suffer.
I'd ask for your stuff but obviously you can't log in. :D
This new system does not even have link for forgotten character password. It does not even have change character password option. I didnt bother to remember the first pin i typed cause i was thinking that with every log in i myst type new pins.
The idiots from NCsfot didnt even bother to send me email with my new pin.
Well **** OFF nc soft i go play league of legends. The lost of few XP runes wont make suffer.
You're the idiot that didn't read how the system worked, and what moronic system would have put in a new in very time, it's your own fault you don't remember your PIN, but quit, servers are still too full of people, a few quitting won't hurt
Step 2: click game account and click in the name if the account i.e TEST
Step 3
Step 4
you forgot that now u have to dance the macarena every time u wanna log in...
Most useless thing I've ever heard of.
If the password was taken locally, then the user is too dumb and will probably give it away again.
If the problem was on the server, then adding the weakest kind of security ever (numbers only? rly??? Even hotmail knows that is BAD) code next to your password won't change at all.
Thanks for pretending u care about ppl's accounts. Now... can we get real security plox? Or just go back to the easy log in.
You can reset your Lineage 2 Character PIN from within your NCsoft master account. You will need to know the date of birth you registered on the account in order to do this.
I think it is a bad idea :(
Most of us register between the 24th day of November and December 1, 2011.
This information does not serve as a safety measure to change the PIN
you forgot that now u have to dance the macarena every time u wanna log in...
Most useless thing I've ever heard of.
If the password was taken locally, then the user is too dumb and will probably give it away again.
If the problem was on the server, then adding the weakest kind of security ever (numbers only? rly??? Even hotmail knows that is BAD) code next to your password won't change at all.
Thanks for pretending u care about ppl's accounts. Now... can we get real security plox? Or just go back to the easy log in.
Wake up will you? This security measure is for after you log in. Got it? After the server accept you and you enter your character selection screen. You posted the same ******** on another thread but I didn't even bother to respond but you obviously have a real problem with reading and comprehending English text.
So you can keep spaming you password the way you used to.
Weakest kind of security? You cannot use a keyboard to enter the pin so you cannot get keylogged, the numbers are randomized every time you log in your account so you cannot even brute-force attack it.
It's an extra precautions measure. This measure is used in Korea for a while now and it's proven useful.
And from your rage about extra security there is only one conclusion we can make..
This feature is so appreciated. For the first time in... ever, I actually feel like my account is fairly secure. The only way a keylogger could detect your pin is if it literally captures video.
you forgot that now u have to dance the macarena every time u wanna log in...
Most useless thing I've ever heard of.
If the password was taken locally, then the user is too dumb and will probably give it away again.
If the problem was on the server, then adding the weakest kind of security ever (numbers only? rly??? Even hotmail knows that is BAD) code next to your password won't change at all.
Thanks for pretending u care about ppl's accounts. Now... can we get real security plox? Or just go back to the easy log in.
you are in the same category as those who didnt bother remembering the pin, randomed one or didnt read the instructiions.
after you log in, do you think someone will actually try all combination of min 6-8 numbers to enter? i would explain it in detail but you probably wouldnt understand.
I think it's great that this PIN system seems to be keeping the idiots out of the game as well as increasing security !
Seriously, who sees a PIN pad and just randomly enters a number or pattern?
100% agree.. so people see the pin pad and just think oh i'll hit random numbers, because there is no point to it... just delaying my game time..
What do these idiots do when they use an ATM machine lol..
i have serios problem. i logged in and went to get coffee, with sugar. when i come back, i realise my cat have been tapping my mouse on random numbers, hitting tab and unfortnately it hit the same numbers again. now i dont know my pin. how will i get my pin back?????
i have serios problem. i logged in and went to get coffee, with sugar. when i come back, i realise my cat have been tapping my mouse on random numbers, hitting tab and unfortnately it hit the same numbers again. now i dont know my pin. how will i get my pin back?????
i have serios problem. i logged in and went to get coffee, with sugar. when i come back, i realise my cat have been tapping my mouse on random numbers, hitting tab and unfortnately it hit the same numbers again. now i dont know my pin. how will i get my pin back?????
and pigs can fly :D
Once again NCSoft is condemned if they do and condemned they don't. I am very pleased with the added PIN system and can't imagine why we didn't have this years ago.
This new system does not even have link for forgotten character password. It does not even have change character password option. I didnt bother to remember the first pin i typed cause i was thinking that with every log in i myst type new pins.
The idiots from NCsfot didnt even bother to send me email with my new pin.
Well **** OFF nc soft i go play league of legends. The lost of few XP runes wont make suffer.
anyone one your facebook friends list can easily commit identity theft, and begin to crush your credit rating with NOTHING you can do but watch. then when collection agencies come to your door, and you have nothing to pay, you are dead. kiss whatever life you had goodbye as you can be extradited in ANY country on identity theft. if you owe Cuba tens of trillions of pesos, you're going to cuba to court until you can prove you didnt start that fraud.
imagine how lenient and fair that court is going to be in a country called Congo.
hint: not very.
identity theft is the biggest theft you can ever commit.
You can hide your birthday on Facebook so fail.
And my 13 year old niece created a facebook account with a fake birthday. The site thinks she's 21. You can fake it there as well...
A lot of people who started playing on Trial Accounts used a fake birthday because they didn't even know if they'd still playing. This can be people who have been playing the game for years. A lot of people who create buffers on trial accounts did the same.
The only real benefit this offers is stopping 3rd party programs from automating logins, imo. It offers nothing but inconvenience to the actual playerbase, since anyone who hacks your account can log into your master account and likely knows your birthday at that point, anyways (that information can probably be googled for many people, quite easily) and therefor change the PIN.
If they think your account is worth it, they'll get it done. It's not hard.
HEllo , Me too i lost the char forever i thought that PIN is restarted every time you log in so i just made a random numbers in first time , and then when i came back again to play couldn't log in , went to website to restart PIN i get the problem with BIRTH day cause when first time i made account didn't care about bitrh day , and at last used Support contact NC doesn't answer ....................................in the END THX NC FOR THIS F*** in the A*** i quit L2 and for Aion :rolleyes:
And we know that in the history of Facebook, no one has ever had private and hidden information stolen. Oh, and we also know that no one has ever had their NCSoft account information stolen.
Really?? Where do you people come from?
don't blame me ......blame NCSOFT for her idiot system there is no MMRPG in the world use this sh*** PIN , oh this all because ncsoft care about me and my account ???? wtf this is my account and i want it to be hacked so it's not their **** problem!!! did they even made a notice 1 week before the update to well inform people ??? ??ABSOLUTELY NO
don't blame me ......blame NCSOFT for her idiot system there is no MMRPG in the world use this sh*** PIN , oh this all because ncsoft care about me and my account ???? wtf this is my account and i want it to be hacked so it's not their **** problem!!! did they even made a notice 1 week before the update to well inform people ??? ??ABSOLUTELY NO http://www.chronicle.su/wp-content/uploads/jackie-chan-whut.jpg
Hi, I wanted to know if ahy any way of knowing my date of birth and can not remember which put q nor q PIN logear wrote to the game plz if anyone can help THANK YOU
Hi, I wanted to know if ahy any way of knowing my date of birth and can not remember which put q nor q PIN logear wrote to the game plz if anyone can help THANK YOU
you won't get a help cause admins don't give a sh*** all u may get here is some kids comments dunno what this forum are seriously for
Funny thing! I managed to understand right away on servers with language i dont understand, but english speakers cant even understand the system in their own language! Amazing!
Funny thing! I managed to understand right away on servers with language i dont understand, but english speakers cant even understand the system in their own language! Amazing!
:D:D:D
I'm a human and i can make mistakes !! but this PIn is something new for me never had it in other mmo or when we first came to play l2 it's not easy u had everything alright and one day paff without warning at least "1 week " u find yourself with this PIN thing
Im having the same problem as many others, i didnt quite get the pin thing so i made up a sequence not knowing the numbers would be in random position everytime you login, so now i cant login and i dont have the master account details, so how can i change the pin now? i already sent a ticket on support
randomly changes each time you log in? And that's why you have to type it 3 times the same when logging for the first time??? Did you type random bunch of characters when creating game account when it asked for "password"???
don't blame me ......blame NCSOFT for her idiot system there is no MMRPG in the world use this sh*** PIN , oh this all because ncsoft care about me and my account ???? wtf this is my account and i want it to be hacked so it's not their **** problem!!! did they even made a notice 1 week before the update to well inform people ??? ??ABSOLUTELY NO
actually is their problem,cause after a ****/scam of your account you gona create 10 tickets/posts beggings for your items.be polite and patient or rly ****,some ppl(support) have to deal with some serious problems and not with emo rage kids who didnt waste 1 minute to read about something who dont know(pin system)
Hi, I wanted to know if ahy any way of knowing my date of birth and can not remember which put q nor q PIN logear wrote to the game plz if anyone can help THANK YOU
usualy the date of birth is when the day u was born :p
ok seriously,thats why u have to do back up of your infos or even better to use the true infos to avoid problems like that.
on the other hand you can contact support https://help.ncsoft.com/ and provide them the rest of infos you have,such
first/last name
adress
country
email you used when you create the account
and also the unique id(that was the 1st mail NCsoft send you when you create your account)
then they gona reset the pass/pin etc or w/e else u need and you will be able to play again.note that this maybe take 2-3 days.
ps)if you have any order number when/if you purchage ncoins,it might help as well
good luck(you dont need it if you are the real owner,but ok)
Love the new PIN system but, date of birth is a bad idea :(
Many people know other peoples birth date or as was mentioned a lot of people put it on facebook (bad idea). Birth dates are one of the things used to identify you for bank accounts and other things so it is best to keep it private.
Many obviously used a fake birthday when they created their account and don't remember what they used.
At least an option of reset pin from email or have the pin emailed is due.
There's an option to recover password from email most of the time , I don't see why wouldn't be the case for the pin.
At least an option of reset pin from email or have the pin emailed is due.
There's an option to recover password from email most of the time , I don't see why wouldn't be the case for the pin.
I'll tell you why it wouldn't be the case for the pin.
There is a reason, why this security have been brought in.
Let me put up a scenario for you, so you can understand it.
Suxela: Ahh what a lovely day. I want to play some Lineage 2.
Suxela: types in user and pw...
Suxela: Oh what was my pin.. nevermind, I'll just request it on my e-mail.
Suxela: www.hotmail.com
Suxela: [email protected] 123456
Suxela: Ah there's my pin. It was 654321.
Suxela: Logs ingame..
Meanwhile, some place else..
Haxxor: YES THE IDIOT JUST LOGGED INTO HIS MAIL, NOW I KNOW HIS PIN CODE. LAWL WHAT AN IDIOT. IF HE CHANGES IT, I WILL JUST LOG INTO HIS EMAIL AND GET A NEW PIN/GET THE CURRENT ONE.
Haxxor: lolollool just took his 30m adena and +3 atube mace, owned.
I'll tell you why it wouldn't be the case for the pin.
There is a reason, why this security have been brought in.
Let me put up a scenario for you, so you can understand it.
Get it?
Your scenarion doesn't make sense, I only play from home and there's nobody to install keylogger or whaterver *hit on my computer (unless I allow it). Or to **** email for that matter. If someone is idiot enough to use a hackable email then he deservers to lose the account.
And there's one more thing - nobody said upon account creation : "please remember dob entered as it will be used for things related to account security" as they said for the secret questions, so they can't realy blame the user for entering whatever over 18y in there.
Your scenarion doesn't make sense, I only play from home and there's nobody to install keylogger or whaterver *hit on my computer (unless I allow it).
And there's one more thing - nobody said upon account creation : "please remember dob entered as it will be used for things related to account security" as they said for the secret questions, so they can't realy blame the user for entering whatever over 18y in there.
Dude, providing false personal information is already violation. I know it's trivial, but seriously, that's how it is, if you want to be stupid like that.
Dude, providing false personal information is already violation. I know it's trivial, but seriously, that's how it is, if you want to be stupid like that.
Dude get a life - it's only a game :) ! Sue me for randomly entering a dob because I wanna screw all market statistics that consider me just an number/target/...
If that would help bunch of headless chicken get some common sense, I would do whatever you are implying. Though I'm not sure exactly what you mean by get a life.
YES I have a problem if my pin no. for me i don't use those pin numbers... now my account was bann for 8 hours!!... pls can u send me in my email my pin no. sorry i hate morization about my pin.. ^_^
Dude get a life - it's only a game :) ! Sue me for randomly entering a dob because I wanna screw all market statistics that consider me just an number/target/...
That's what I'm talking about, common sense, it's a freaking super power these days.
If that would help bunch of headless chicken get some common sense, I would do whatever you are implying. Though I'm not sure exactly what you mean by get a life.
If you think that someone gives a **** (from a legal point of view) about me using whatever dob (outside of being within the allowed range) then you need to wake up :) !
If you think that someone gives a **** (from a legal point of view) about me using whatever dob (outside of being within the allowed range) then you need to wake up :) !
....eehhhhh
Might been my bad, I should have explained it in more details as it seems you taking it in a totally wrong direction.
Anyway, if you ******ed enough (not aimed at you) to bash some numbers in when you been asked for PIN, for your own sake have at least something to fall back on. Because if you that ******ed(again, not aimed at you), no security system will help you.
I have a account I started in 2004. I left two years ago and came back when it was made free to play.
I have actually enjoyed playing the last month and had planned to continued playing.
Now I am completely locked out of my account. I messed up, I read the instructions wrong and did not write down the pin.
However implementing something unannounced that has the potential lock people out of their accounts is really bad.
I don't remember the birthday I used when I created the account and I can't reset my pin.
I think NCSoft should seriously consider resetting all pins and clearly pointing people to the guide which came out after I already foobar my account.
If not no big deal time to hang it up again.
Going to be brutally honest here, but, how dumb do you have to be to make these claims? It was VERY clear that you would need to input the PIN ONCE PER SESSION, it was VERY CLEAR that the pin pad CHANGES EVERY LOGIN, and to top it off you had to input the PIN TWICE, that you don't know it is your fault, that you defrauded NC soft and used a false b-day is also your fault, all it took at any point was a dose of COMMON SENSE and you and many others would not be in your situation, that was 100% of your own making.
I have a account I started in 2004. I left two years ago and came back when it was made free to play.
I have actually enjoyed playing the last month and had planned to continued playing.
Now I am completely locked out of my account. I messed up, I read the instructions wrong and did not write down the pin.
However implementing something unannounced that has the potential lock people out of their accounts is really bad.
I don't remember the birthday I used when I created the account and I can't reset my pin.
I think NCSoft should seriously consider resetting all pins and clearly pointing people to the guide which came out after I already foobar my account.
If not no big deal time to hang it up again.
How about no. The servers are all heavy at the moment which clearly proves that the vast majority of players were able to figure this complex puzzle out. So why don't YOU get your pin reset and leave the rest of ours alone?
I said I made a mistake. I used a fake birthday in 2004 to be honest because I didn't trust a Korean company at the time.
I read the instructions wrong as I said. I assumed it was a random pin per session not a random keypad arrangement.
As far as being dumb, no, people make mistakes. Doesn't change the fact it was a last minute implementation with unclear instructions. But thanks for the troll, your input was extremely useful.
Lot's of security works that way, but why ask me I'm dumb remember?
I actually applaud any change to try to limit bots and rmt traders but as usual lots of legit players will be impacted by this and the bots will have a work around coded and implemented in a few hours.
Oh well, guess I am done since I can't play anymore anyway.
Lot's of security works that way, but why ask me I'm dumb remember?
No really. Explain a security system that has you just enter a random sequence of numbers to get in. A sequence you don't need to remember because you'll just be entering another random sequence the next time you need to get in. Seriously. I want to know how this works. Since lots of security works this way, according to you, it should be easy.
Going to be brutally honest here, but, how dumb do you have to be to make these claims? It was VERY clear that you would need to input the PIN ONCE PER SESSION, it was VERY CLEAR that the pin pad CHANGES EVERY LOGIN, and to top it off you had to input the PIN TWICE, that you don't know it is your fault, that you defrauded NC soft and used a false b-day is also your fault, all it took at any point was a dose of COMMON SENSE and you and many others would not be in your situation, that was 100% of your own making.
No, no. To be brutaly honest things weren't clear at all.
I was expecting a sort of captcha and I saw a marked (colored) pattern that confirmed my expectations. So I followed that patern - 5 marked + 1 unmarked (cause it said min 6) . So I did entered it 2ice like a sort of a combined password to confuse bots - part captcha part from memory.
Now all I have is the 1 from memory and it turns out that the marked pattern was there to confuse ppl - no other obvious purpose so far.
And don't give me the - sit, read, analyze, think 5 min. about every next move ********. I skimed through the text cause I was inpatient to play after 5h waiting.
I don't realy care about your opinion of me because of what happened cause I do not value you enough to care.
I care about the char I had on that account. Funny thing is : I'VE BEEN HACKED ... BY NCSOFT !
No, no. To be brutaly honest things weren't clear at all.
It was if you took 15 seconds to read what was on the screen.
I was expecting a sort of captcha and I saw a marked (colored) pattern that confirmed my expectations. So I followed that patern - 5 marked + 1 unmarked (cause it said min 6) . So I did entered it 2ice like a sort of a combined password to confuse bots - part captcha part from memory.What? The odd numbers are one color and the even numbers another. WTF is this about marked and unmarked? You're clearly making **** up now.
Now all I have is the 1 from memory and it turns out that the marked pattern was there to confuse ppl - no other obvious purpose so far.
And don't give me the - sit, read, analyze, think 5 min. about every next move ********. I skimed through the text cause I was inpatient to play after 5h waiting.That is a problem. You just sit for 5 hours waiting for maintenance to end? You're that desperate to get back on?
I don't realy care about your opinion of me because of what happened cause I do not value you enough to care.
I care about the char I had on that account. Funny thing is : I'VE BEEN HACKED ... BY NCSOFT !You can't take a few seconds to read instructions on the screen after something new appears while logging on and you blame NCSoft? I can of several dozen things to blame them for just off the top of my head but this ain't one of them. The blame is completely on your shoulders for not reading instructions. The fact that this popped up on your screen (it would've been out of the ordinary) should have given you pause to at least read it, don't you think?
This thread is so full of fail that it got me giggles.
I want to bet that a lot of the complaints we'll see will be related to the fact that now it's harder to.. you know... automate without the client... if you know what I mean.
Because honestly, seriously, honestly, there was no way you could get this wrong unless, I don't know, you really don't want to read?
or if you're trying to log in with... you know, alternative ways? ;)
On topic: THANK YOU NCsoft. This has got to be the best addition I've seen in the game in the past 7 years. And no, I am not kidding.
Lol, you make me wanna bot just to balace your unfounded accusations :) .
Btw, I don't think you would be smarter in reading and understanding russian at 13 years old.
Would that be simple to you ?
Also, one that uses bots or god knows what I don't think he cares so much - easy come easy go .
Ok, morons, to use your own expression, is not the feature I'm against.
I just want to be able to setup the pin that by accident I don't have anymore, I want a proper fallback to this .I don't give a **** about the new feature - other than slowing down the relogin like when crashing during instances it does no harm.
No really. Explain a security system that has you just enter a random sequence of numbers to get in. A sequence you don't need to remember because you'll just be entering another random sequence the next time you need to get in. Seriously. I want to know how this works. Since lots of security works this way, according to you, it should be easy.
LOL don't want to say your wrong but... IN this case you are.
My friend is an IT Architect for a large Hospital system. He carries a keyfob with him that randomly generates a new password of numbers and letters every 90 seconds. Its pretty the top of the line security you can get no way to **** the system unless you get the keyfob.
Lol, you make me wanna bot just to balace your unfounded accusations :) .
Btw, I don't think you would be smarter in reading and understanding russian at 13 years old.
Would that be simple to you ?
Also, one that uses bots or god knows what I don't think he cares so much - easy come easy go .
Did the hat fit in? Because I wasn't really talking about you, but in general ;)
And it was pretty straight-forward. If you couldn't read what the pin explanation showed you, then I wonder how on Earth you manage to get along in the game and know what to do when you get quests.
Overall after to reading this thread I think it has proven how dumb the average person is that they cannot even follow simple directions.
I think Darwnisn should rule here and anyone locked out of their account because of a PIN # on the first day should no longer get access to their account, we really could do without them in L2 they wont be missed.
Did the hat fit in? Because I wasn't really talking about you, but in general ;)
And it was pretty straight-forward. If you couldn't read what the pin explanation showed you, then I wonder how on Earth you manage to get along in the game and know what to do when you get quests.
I guide him in game, we play together, cause he doesn't yet understand quests and such.He barely knows a few words in english.
To all making stupid darwin and other such coments - I'm gonna give you the keypad text in russian and even if you are not 13 years I bet you still can't do better.
Then you should have guided him through the PIN process too.
Sorry, there's really nothing else that can be said. And usually if I don't put the true information on my account, I write it down because I know I will forget.
It's not NCSoft's fault. But yeah, contact support. Don't blame the best feature that was given to us in 7 years, because it's not its fault ;)
I don't care about the feature.
I want to be able to reset the pin in a more viable way. Like the answer to the 2 secret questions...
Yeah that I could live with.
Then again, like I said, I do write things down. I've had bad experiences in the past in other games because I couldn't remember account information, so since then, I write everything down if I actually change it from the "real" information.
No really. Explain a security system that has you just enter a random sequence of numbers to get in. A sequence you don't need to remember because you'll just be entering another random sequence the next time you need to get in. Seriously. I want to know how this works. Since lots of security works this way, according to you, it should be easy.
LOL, are you really that big of a troll? Common door garage openers use random codes that change every time, keyless car entry, it is pretty common stuff. Why don't you try google it is a trolls best friend?
BTW, get a life. 19600 posts since 2004 and you call me dumb? I am sure you are a intelligent well adjusted person with a good job and friends with the time to play the game and make an average of 7 posts a day every day for 7 plus years.
I made a mistake and admitted it but now I just feel sorry for your sanctimonious troll act.
Like on a Russian telephone?
Oh my. Lol.
The explicative text was in english. He had no ideea why the keypad was there, he did introduced 2ice the same thing - pattern of odd numbers (colored ones) + same even number - that worked. Now I figued out there are around 60 possible combinations for this type of input ... Were you smarter at 13 years ( with text in a foreign language) ? Oh my god , you realy think that you would have done better in similar situation ? If that's so then you're having an inflated opinion of yourself and this only better explains your arrogance .
I'm getting tired of trying to explain what happened to you , you're clearly not smart enough to understand.
To moderators - I just want the possibility to be able to reset the pin from the 2 secret questions.
LOL, are you really that big of a troll? Common door garage openers use random codes that change every time, keyless car entry, it is pretty common stuff. Why don't you try google it is a trolls best friend?
BTW, get a life. 19600 posts since 2004 and you call me dumb? I am sure you are a intelligent well adjusted person with a good job and friends with the time to play the game and make an average of 7 posts a day every day for 7 plus years.
I made a mistake and admitted it but now I just feel sorry for your sanctimonious troll act.
This kind of security system requires you to get an Authenticator (http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/8561_product.jpg) which will be attached to your account, requires you to generate a new number which will last for a few seconds and you must enter that number in order to log in. This is whole different system. This is what I have in Warcraft.
And I don't remember here anyone saying anything about an authenticator.
Yes. At that age, I always asked for help when I didn't understand something. The same way my 13 and 8 year old kids do now.
Lol. I realy don't care if you think you were smarter. We shouldn't even have this conversation. I think the 2 secret questions are a better fallback than the dob. And a need one. That's all that should be said.
Lol. I realy don't care if you think you were smarter. We shouldn't even have this conversation. I think the 2 secret questions are a better fallback than the dob. And a need one. That's all that should be said.
We agree, that this system was set in place, to prevent keylogging, right?
What will happen, if a person have a keylogger on his computer and he types in the two secret questions, to get the pin code?
Please answer me, what will happen to the guy that have a keylogger on his computer?
I guide him in game, we play together, cause he doesn't yet understand quests and such.He barely knows a few words in english.
To all making stupid darwin and other such coments - I'm gonna give you the keypad text in russian and even if you are not 13 years I bet you still can't do better.
yes pls give me that text in russian.
I did not even read the english text...coz it was for me common sense you have to enter a number you have to remember. if it would have been just a random number, like you use as excuse...you would not have to confirm it....to realize this you haven't to be a brainiac.
hell I love this thread, its just the evidence how many dumb ppl are(were) in game^^:rolleyes:
All these people who don't realise that if they have to enter a pin number twice to validate it, and therefore might actually need to use it are just lol.
If there is such a problem with using the real DoB, why not use a fake one, something like
01/01/2000 it's not exactly rocket science guys.. c',mon.
We agree, that this system was set in place, to prevent keylogging, right?
What will happen, if a person have a keylogger on his computer and he types in the two secret questions, to get the pin code?
Please answer me, what will happen to the guy that have a keylogger on his computer?
They will have his secret questions, but still not have his pin code, as he will still have to click buttons on it, and next time, tell him (this random person), to get a virus scanner/malware checker :)
I didn't read that the numbers change positions and went for numbers in numpad order, but then got screwed over by my stupidity.... however, the pin can be changed on l2 site in account management segment.
+9999999999999 for the pin, no botters in hunting grounds :)
They will have his secret questions, but still not have his pin code, as he will still have to click buttons on it, and next time, tell him (this random person), to get a virus scanner/malware checker :)
Friend. What will the person who sits and record his keyboard do with his secret question and email login? Dont you think the person is smart enough to log in, answer two secret question, change pin and "****" the account?
I'm on your side, I'm trying to explain suxela, why it just isnt that simple to give an option to reset pin.
A lot of people who started playing on Trial Accounts used a fake birthday because they didn't even know if they'd still playing. This can be people who have been playing the game for years. A lot of people who create buffers on trial accounts did the same.
The only real benefit this offers is stopping 3rd party programs from automating logins, imo. It offers nothing but inconvenience to the actual playerbase, since anyone who hacks your account can log into your master account and likely knows your birthday at that point, anyways (that information can probably be googled for many people, quite easily) and therefor change the PIN.
If they think your account is worth it, they'll get it done. It's not hard.
...and people dont remember their fake birthday, something like 1/1/1950? If they fake it at least they should keep track of their fake infos, like security questions, birthday, serial etc. Its not the first time when players had to use their birthday to recover something, unless someone bought their account or stupid to forget a birthday, everything should be fine.
How can this offer only inconvenience? I applaud this initiative myself, something like this was for years in other asian mmos I've been playing. Btw, how many times do you see 'someone from ip tried to log in blah blah' in your email account? For me its only when I try to log in my master account, its the same for those who got hacked, nobody **** through master account, it was just simple ingame user/pass for the majority and they claim they have no keyloggers/viruses. Now if you try any combination of 6-8 numbers for 5 times, you are banned 8 hours, how many combination do you have to send to get the right login? Yes, many but unless they leave their pin number in a file on desktop, like a noob, it should be hard to get it. As for bots, I guess its a matter of time till they pass this.
If this is a long term solution, its good for me:) After a long time I have log without problems. If someone finds how to cancel it, or change scripts for log bots, It becomes annoying.
I would like to congratulate NC west for the new pin addition move. Even though its annoying it was the first time in weeks that I was able to enter the game in the afternoon with out high trafic problems! Keep up the good work. Thanks for trying to clean the game from "robotic players" for us. This didn't entirly solve the problem but it was a huge move!
Thank you
HEllo , Me too i lost the char forever i thought that PIN is restarted every time you log in so i just made a random numbers in first time , and then when i came back again to play couldn't log in , went to website to restart PIN i get the problem with BIRTH day cause when first time i made account didn't care about bitrh day , and at last used Support contact NC doesn't answer ....................................in the END THX NC FOR THIS F*** in the A*** i quit L2 and for Aion :rolleyes:
Best.
Post.
Ever.
You made my day, thank you.
P.S. If you go for Aion they have had a PIN system for the last year or so, don't let it confuse just as much as this one has. LOL
Looks like this PIN-system is working as an IQ filter aswell.
People that barely manage to breathe on their own might really not be suited to play a MMO.
there are more important things to fix and u guys add this PIN **** ..... gg ncsoft add more stupid *****. so at next update should i expect to give my home adress so i can log and play ?
This is only game. Free game. Why do you need pin longer than pin for card in bank to get real money not a stupid adena. If you cannot maintain logins and passcodes pin will be always on the desk. And you will loose all even faster. Sorry but stupid game is not that important to have such big security measures. People are trying to sell account for money an claims that it was stolen. Pin will change nothing and make game play irritating, it is stupid idea
there are more important things to fix and u guys add this PIN **** ..... gg ncsoft add more stupid *****. so at next update should i expect to give my home adress so i can log and play ?
They added security measure to prevent **** attempt due to keyloggers, fixed a part of the high traffic servers and prevents for now the use of 3rd party Clients to log into game with almost 0 resources and thats a hit to serious farmers. Oog bots is another issue which has to be dealt with differently. What is more important than this?
My opinion is that the PIN code add-on is a nice feature. It actually increase the account access security alot. Lets see how many auto login mentor/mentee accounts that fails now.
They added security measure to prevent **** attempt due to keyloggers, fixed a part of the high traffic servers and prevents for now the use of 3rd party Clients to log into game with almost 0 resources and thats a hit to serious farmers. Oog bots is another issue which has to be dealt with differently. What is more important than this?
Name just 3 more important things than those above. Just try.
security my *** i play l2 for 5 years and i never got haked ... u need to be real stupid to achive that rank(so another fail security ****). fix high trafic ??? yeah for 2 days until bots will be back (what did we win ? 2 days of peace and a lifetime of pin for others who dont bot)
GREAT THINGS !!
there are more important things to fix and u guys add this PIN **** ..... gg ncsoft add more stupid *****. so at next update should i expect to give my home adress so i can log and play ?
Actually if you pay by credit card you would have to already have put your home address in :)
Just because you are careful with your passwords doesn't mean that everyone is. Some ppl playfrom Internet cafe where the security is questionable.
But the world doesn't revolve around you. If someone get hacked for whatever reason you will do nothing. You will not even care. You wont even care if that person dies tomorrow. But some ppl will have to investigate what happened.
Farmers not botters don't even use the L2 client. They did it with other means. Now they will have to use a client to log in into the game. And that requires resources. They have to invest in order to start gaining money since they cannot log 30-40-100 clients with scripts anymore.
So I am still w8ing for the 3 more important things that they had to fix before implementing this security improvement.
And how come everyone that plays l2 retail for 5-7 years and started even on alpha (not beta they are more elite) have a Dec 2011 account to post on forum?
Actually if you pay by credit card you would have to already have put your home address in :)
my friend cc is always welcome :) the problem is this is a free game, is like havin 10 locks on a empty box. i dont want to take a quizz every time i log in.
ahhahaha guys, as i expected from 1 question u started a flameswar...
i hope just that some rage-posts i read weren't addressed even to me, coz:
1) i'm an human and i can make mistakes (but anyway i solved in few mins)
2) i just admitted my error and asked for help, instead of blame ncsoft etc...
Just because you are careful with your passwords doesn't mean that everyone is. Some ppl playfrom Internet cafe where the security is questionable.
But the world doesn't revolve around you. If someone get hacked for whatever reason you will do nothing. You will not even care. You wont even care if that person dies tomorrow. But some ppl will have to investigate what happened.
well i guess l2 is not a game for 2 years old so security/protection should matter to all. and i played on IC to and im still ok. And why should i care? 90% of people who got stolen made that possible (share acc to people/use bots/buy adena etc ....). i never heard a good player that he got stolen so yes i dont care about all 5 years old kids that start to play and got "hacked".
Farmers not botters don't even use the L2 client. They did it with other means. Now they will have to use a client to log in into the game. And that requires resources. They have to invest in order to start gaining money since they cannot log 30-40-100 clients with scripts anymore.
OMG u are so innocent/believer i just say go watch in 1 week the spots where u know that there ware bots and u will see them again full ;)
And how come everyone that plays l2 retail for 5-7 years and started even on alpha (not beta they are more elite) have a Dec 2011 account to post on forum?
this is a really mistery: maybe they gave old acc to people who still plays on old servers and started a fresh new acc and serv, or maybe they didnt played on official server, or maybe they made an acc for trolling on forum or .... i let your imagination to continue.
This is an awesome add to the game. I wish they woulda done it before my account was stripped clean over a month ago. Although they didnt recover any of my lost items or adena for me, atleast I can rest a little better knowing the stuff and idena I have now is safer. For those who never been hacked should be thankful.
Without thinking, I created a character PIN and didn't record it. Since the keyboard changes each time I can't use the sequence I had picked, which doesn't allow me to change the PIN to one I can record. When checking the Help section there didn't seem to be a solution for forgotten PIN. Any thouights or ideas? Thanks.
LOL don't want to say your wrong but... IN this case you are.
With all due respect to you, Sly, no I'm not.
My friend is an IT Architect for a large Hospital system. He carries a keyfob with him that randomly generates a new password of numbers and letters every 90 seconds. Its pretty the top of the line security you can get no way to **** the system unless you get the keyfob.
I have been in the IT industry for longer that most people on these forums have been alive. That keyfob is not generating random codes sequences. Just look at the WoW Authenticator (I have one). It is NOT random.
LOL, are you really that big of a troll? Common door garage openers use random codes that change every time, keyless car entry, it is pretty common stuff. Why don't you try google it is a trolls best friend?
I have 3 garage doors, each with their own openers and keypads. They do not require randomly entering codes on the keypad. And yes, I know how the security works on garage door openers (I installed all three myself :p).
BTW, get a life. 19600 posts since 2004 and you call me dumb? I am sure you are a intelligent well adjusted person with a good job and friends with the time to play the game and make an average of 7 posts a day every day for 7 plus years.My mom thinks I'm neat. By the way, I never called you dumb. That would get me more infractions. ;)
I made a mistake and admitted it but now I just feel sorry for your sanctimonious troll act.And there is and has been posted a simple solution to your mistake. Yet instead of using it, you emo rage here about how stupid this new feature (that you couldn't figure out) is.
They added security measure to prevent **** attempt due to keyloggers, fixed a part of the high traffic servers and prevents for now the use of 3rd party Clients to log into game with almost 0 resources and thats a hit to serious farmers. Oog bots is another issue which has to be dealt with differently. What is more important than this?
Name just 3 more important things than those above. Just try.
I think u are the common every day idiot here. It only stops keyloggers that save everything u type. It doesn't stop keyloggers that eh uh mmm u know... just save passwords. So they stopped the keyloggers that I used 20 years ago that are stopped by any normal AV since like 19 years ago.
The high traffic fix is mostly due to the pain in the ***** it is to log now for a normal player. Imo, they should add a math test for ppl to login each time, this way traffic will be 100% fixed!
It doesn't prevent in any way the use of 3rd party software to log in the game. First of all, 3rd party is just that, a 3rd party so any keyboard/mouse with a macro can still log u in with no problems.
I think what u are referring to is bot programs that auto log u in, those were changed already to match the new login and I've heard are working just fine and it's easier to log in with a bot than a normal user.
More important than this is actually taking measures about security instead of adding useless annoyances to log in and taking care of the bots in a real way instead of getting them off for 48hs and annoying everyone else.
This code thing is even more unsafe than your old passwords, it's just 6-8 digits. If ppl got your passwords before, this silly code is a walk in the park.
I think u are the common every day idiot here. It only stops keyloggers that save everything u type. It doesn't stop keyloggers that eh uh mmm u know... just save passwords. So they stopped the keyloggers that I used 20 years ago that are stopped by any normal AV since like 19 years ago.
The high traffic fix is mostly due to the pain in the ***** it is to log now for a normal player. Imo, they should add a math test for ppl to login each time, this way traffic will be 100% fixed!
It doesn't prevent in any way the use of 3rd party software to log in the game. First of all, 3rd party is just that, a 3rd party so any keyboard/mouse with a macro can still log u in with no problems.
I think what u are referring to is bot programs that auto log u in, those were changed already to match the new login and I've heard are working just fine and it's easier to log in with a bot than a normal user.
More important than this is actually taking measures about security instead of adding useless annoyances to log in and taking care of the bots in a real way instead of getting them off for 48hs and annoying everyone else.
This code thing is even more unsafe than your old passwords, it's just 6-8 digits. If ppl got your passwords before, this silly code is a walk in the park.
Aren't you the moron that thought that you have to put the pin everytime you try to log in? What happened bro? Stuck outside? Got banned for 8 hours for not writing your pin correctly? if you think it's so easy to **** try to **** me bro?
umadbro?
What happened bro? Stuck outside? Got banned for 8 hours for not writing your pin correctly? if you think it's so easy to **** try to **** me bro?
mmh, as i said i fixed the problem with my master account by ncsoft's way...
now i have to fix my second account's PIN (but can't reset it coz i don't know the date i put on), i remember just the first 2 numbers, but i can assure you i will find the complete pin till tomorrow, having 5 tries every 8h... it's easy, really. just do some math
mmh, as i said i fixed the problem with my master account by ncsoft's way...
now i have to fix my second account's PIN (but can't reset it coz i don't know the date i put on), i remember just the first 2 numbers, but i can assure you i will find the complete pin till tomorrow, having 5 tries every 8h... it's easy, really. just do some math
That post wasn't referring to you man. :cool:
sorry if this has already been said, i got to page 6, but this was really buggin me :p
there are a few MMO's (FF14, WoW, Rift...) that have a throw-away one time password in adition to login... however this is generated by a device or an app - often called an "authenticator" or in the case of square, "security token" :3
however, this said
what would be the point of a pin number, that changes every session, that you type in yourself? - it would be pointless!
as with many other peoples posts - a little common sence, goes a long way :p
sorry if this has already been said, i got to page 6, but this was really buggin me :p
there are a few MMO's (FF14, WoW, Rift...) that have a throw-away one time password in adition to login... however this is generated by a device or an app - often called an "authenticator" or in the case of square, "security token" :3
however, this said
what would be the point of a pin number, that changes every session, that you type in yourself? - it would be pointless!
as with many other peoples posts - a little common sence, goes a long way :p
Based on the majority of posts in any forum would indicate, Common Sense died many years ago, it's sad to see how stupid the last two generations have turned out to be with a few exceptions here and there, we are truly screwed once they get to any position of power in the next decade or so
I went to the cash machine/ATM and didn't remember my PIN.
so I went into the bank and demanded that they give me cash now, I mean I have the card with me don't I?
They refused.. I wonder why?
</sarcasm off>
Or even demanding them to remove the pin from the cards?
WTH is this stupid pin anyway. It's useless. 4 digit numeric password. It's even worst that our 6-8 digit L2 account pin. If you let someone steal your credit card it's your **** fault. And the bank should respond:
*ha ha* suits you well for losing. You deserved that someone stole everything from you. It's not our fault. Drop dead now.
I went to the cash machine/ATM and didn't remember my PIN.
so I went into the bank and demanded that they give me cash now, I mean I have the card with me don't I?
They refused.. I wonder why?
</sarcasm off>
Seems you never had a credit card or went to a bank. If u go in with the card plus your document (or wtv u call it there, something to prove u own that card) u can get the money with no problems and they reset your PIN.
Btw, you only have to enter 1 PIN number on a non-changing-positions keyboard. Why? Bcos making it on-screen and with changing positions doesn't add any kinda security to your already password-protected account.
I just hop ppl keep lending accounts and sharing pins and installing crap on their PCs so all the whiners quit and they don't add more dumb things to make kids feel protected with nothing :rolleyes:
Seems you never had a credit card or went to a bank. If u go in with the card plus your document (or wtv u call it there, something to prove u own that card) u can get the money with no problems and they reset your PIN.
Btw, you only have to enter 1 PIN number on a non-changing-positions keyboard. Why? Bcos making it on-screen and with changing positions doesn't add any kinda security to your already password-protected account.
I just hop ppl keep lending accounts and sharing pins and installing crap on their PCs so all the whiners quit and they don't add more dumb things to make kids feel protected with nothing :rolleyes:
...Bcos making it on-screen and with changing positions doesn't add any kinda security to your already password-protected account.
...and they don't add more dumb things to make kids feel protected with nothing :rolleyes:
Forgive me for not reading the last 7 pages of this topic but, why do you basically say the new PIN system is useless, exactly? Don't take it the wrong way or something, I am just wondering.
Ok guys, time to be correct:
All always complains about what NCSoft does bad, mistakes etc...
But now i will tell you that they are able to do good things, i contacted the Account-Support team and got really good service, fast answers and helpfull with all.... (even if in the description of their page it tells today(weekend-day) they are "closed" and don't answer until monday...
So what else to say? GZ for the nice service and Thx again Ncsoft
Ok guys, time to be correct:
All always complains about what NCSoft does bad, mistakes etc...
But now i will tell you that they are able to do good things, i contacted the Account-Support team and got really good service, fast answers and helpfull with all.... (even if in the description of their page it tells today(weekend-day) they are "closed" and don't answer until monday...
So what else to say? GZ for the nice service and Thx again Ncsoft
this is incorrect :p
Last weekend i had an issue with latancy, and NC was replyin to the ticket in about 30 mins of me having updated it - so there is someone around.
maybe the forum staff are off on weekends, but not the support team.
This thread is just so funny. They probably implemented the PIN system because people keep getting hacked. Why are people getting hacked? not because of keyloggers..it's because people macro thier password on nostromo due to the high traffic. Sometimes it can take up to 2 hours of trying to get in. What happens when you get in and you don't notice? your password is spammed in white chat for everyone to see. This is part of the reason some people are hacked and part of the reason why NCsoft implemented the PIN system. when you choose your char, the PIN system stops you and forces you to punch in your PIN with the mouse. So, if you have a login macro going for those times there is high traffic, you won't be spamming your password for everyone to see.
And for those people that input a fake DoB or forgot thier PIN....there are these tools that has helped people remember stuff, even before the computer was invented.....it's called a PEN and PAPER!!!!
I think NcSoft should look into further developing and enhancing this PIN NUMBER login. Who knows... it might be able to turn it into an effective tool to prevent bots from logging in.
Seriously though, I created my first account in 2004. I don't think I'd still have that sticky note anymore.
heheh, maybe it should be in the next destiny pack? I've been playing since closed beta, and I still have my sticky note. I learned my lesson after that first security check a few years back when it asked for your DoB that you used to sign up.
I think NcSoft should look into further developing and enhancing this PIN NUMBER login. Who knows... it might be able to turn it into an effective tool to prevent bots from logging in.
if they implemented the "queue" system they had in Aion, then this wouldn't have happened. there wouldn't be nostromo macro's going or arthritic fingers from typing your password too fast if they put in the queue system. you would see an estimated time of wait and you could see what number you were on in the list.
when you choose your char, the PIN system stops you and forces you to punch in your PIN with the mouse. So, if you have a login macro going for those times there is high traffic, you won't be spamming your password for everyone to see.
for those times pre-PIN. I had a password that started with the # symbol..
that way, if i managed to log in and succeeded, the password macro attempted to talk in party chat (that didnt exist) and so didn't show on screen.
:)
but as you say, the PIN system fixed that.
I for one, love it!
Adding additional security is a great idea...though I wish they had made it optional, like most other MMOs do, I really dislike being forced to type it in every time i want to play :(
yes the pin code was put in for added security...but there is also another reason no one here has talked about....BOTS...say ure a botter and set ure bot to run at night or b4 ya go to work....and then during bedtime/worktime ure account Dcs...by having to pysically input ( with the mouse) your Pin number into the randomized pin controller....it will cut down on the botters cuz they wont be able to log in using a random keylogger...this wont "Stop" botting...but it will reduce the time they are on game taking up valueble server space for us ppl who play live and legit...( hmmm really surprised no one thought of this)...anyways...the pinpad may be a pain in the *** if ya DC alot but it sure is alot better than it used to be...ill give it a "Thumbs Up" ( oh an NCSoft...dont let my statement there swell ure head...you still have lots of things to fix)
I see your problem: learning to understand english.
If you wouldn't have taken my post out of context as a reply to another post u would have understood that the position changing doesn't add any kind of security to it. It's just an annoyance. The security lvl is the same as typing it, just with a chocolate cookie for the user to feel comfortable.
I never logged with any kind of script to official servers, but if u'd cared to google, u could see this "omg so secure pin" is already bypassed by script logins. Also by l2 keyloggers. Great security, huh?
Want a translation or explanation of this? Or u can try to read the whole thing this time? :D
Ok for you again...
He say:
he have lost his pin so he can't get money from ATM, even with his card bank don't give him money/his pin back.
l2: he lost his pin so he can't log in anymore, even if he logs in at the ncsoft page he can not log in in game/ get his pin back
you say:
if you go to bank with card and documents, you get your money and they reset pin.
so I translate in l2:
go with your birthday date to ncsoft and you get your account/you can enter new pin.
ok I may get you wrong at this point. As I assumed you wanted to say you can get your pin back at the bank but from ncsoft not..
next:
Btw, you only have to enter 1 PIN number on a non-changing-positions keyboard. Why? Bcos making it on-screen and with changing positions doesn't add any kinda security to your already password-protected account.
ATM can not have a keylogger and you can cover where you "click"
you understand this quote?
yes on ATM it does not add security...on your pc it does add.
and for your pin script that is easy be googled....I won't mind if you teach me..but I can't see any by simple search terms nor going directly in famous game **** forums.
There is no random in a computational method, ask any programmer (that understands his business)
Also this thread is clear proof Creationism is nonsense, it made my 10 minutes for sure.
yes the pin code was put in for added security...but there is also another reason no one here has talked about....BOTS...say ure a botter and set ure bot to run at night or b4 ya go to work....and then during bedtime/worktime ure account Dcs...by having to pysically input ( with the mouse) your Pin number into the randomized pin controller....it will cut down on the botters cuz they wont be able to log in using a random keylogger...this wont "Stop" botting...but it will reduce the time they are on game taking up valueble server space for us ppl who play live and legit...( hmmm really surprised no one thought of this)...anyways...the pinpad may be a pain in the *** if ya DC alot but it sure is alot better than it used to be...ill give it a "Thumbs Up" ( oh an NCSoft...dont let my statement there swell ure head...you still have lots of things to fix)
Not to mention the...
Hey I put in my password in chat and NCSoft's awesome security changes it to XXXXXXXXX...try it guys!
It's just an annoyance. The security lvl is the same as typing it, just with a chocolate cookie for the user to feel comfortable.
Anything that annoys botters (even a little) is good.
The only group of people annoyed by PIN system are those who now probably have to spend extra time while loading their numerous trains. Are you one of them? Do tell us, don't be shy.
In any other case, you have no reasons to complain, since 1-2 extra seconds to enter the PIN is nothing to worry about, if you are a regular player. But the very fact you keep raging about it does hint on something fishy.
Anything that annoys botters (even a little) is good.
The only group of people annoyed by PIN system are those who now probably have to spend extra time while loading their numerous trains. Are you one of them? Do tell us, don't be shy.
In any other case, you have no reasons to complain, since 1-2 extra seconds to enter the PIN is nothing to worry about, if you are a regular player. But the very fact you keep raging about it does hint on something fishy.
Go ask for all my logins and times. 2 accs with normal login, almost 24/7 online. Got nothing to hide, never used any 3rd pt program on official servers and never will. Not "playing to win" or I'd be 99 by now instead of just 85.
Tho I dance the macarena everytime I login bcos I heard it gives my account more security.
Would u say that is a waste of time? I'm guessing u'd even make fun of someone who did that. Why? Bcos we can mostly agree it's plain useless. That is the reason why I "rage" (is this rage? Geez I thought that was rly someonthing else..) about doing a useless thing when I login to a game.
Not gonna die for typing a code, neither praying everytime I login to secure my account. Do that everytime I get a crit. Just saying "both are useless, don't believe blindly the line that says it's more secure".
Go ask for all my logins and times. 2 accs with normal login, almost 24/7 online. Got nothing to hide, never used any 3rd pt program on official servers and never will.
Ok ok that's cool, that's cool.
Now, calculate how much time you spend per week entering your passwords/PIN to log in.
And then estimate how much time you've already spent here debating the PIN issue (be it real or imaginary, useful or useless) over and over again.
Do the math.
Talking about wasted time... you get the point. The PIN is there to stay, it doesn't matter what its purpose is and how it works, just get over it and move on.
Ok ok that's cool, that's cool.
Now, calculate how much time you spend per week entering your passwords/PIN to log in.
And then estimate how much time you've already spent here debating the PIN issue (be it real or imaginary, useful or useless) over and over again.
Do the math.
Talking about wasted time... you get the point. The PIN is there to stay, it doesn't matter what its purpose is and how it works, just get over it and move on.
Lol i was just thinking the same.
All the rage for the stupid PIN. One layer of 6-8 numbers turns these people into kids.:D
To everyone so upset about the PIN system recently implemented, regardless of why it was added it is here.
The sniveling in this thread over something that takes us at most 7 seconds while drunk is asinine. We should all waste less time on this topic and get back in game. Let go of this trivial task required to initiate a game you spend hours enjoying.
To everyone so upset about the PIN system recently implemented, regardless of why it was added it is here.
The sniveling in this thread over something that takes us at most 7 seconds while drunk is asinine. We should all waste less time on this topic and get back in game. Let go of this trivial task required to initiate a game you spend hours enjoying.
Sitting here going through this thread, seeing people calling others morons and stupid, yet it makes them and the Lineage community look bad. If this is how some treat new users or others they may possibly end up play with, it doesn't sound like a community I would want to play with.
My personal opinion on the system is that I don't think a pin system is needed. It is a free game, and yet it holds a security system that not even paid MMORPGs use. I would be more concerned of my paid account being hacked than a free account. When it all comes down to it, if someone really wants your account, they will find a way to get it. But really, who gives a crap, it's a free game.
Sitting here going through this thread, seeing people calling others morons and stupid, yet it makes them and the Lineage community look bad. If this is how some treat new users or others they may possibly end up play with, it doesn't sound like a community I would want to play with.
My personal opinion on the system is that I don't think a pin system is needed. It is a free game, and yet it holds a security system that not even paid MMORPGs use. I would be more concerned of my paid account being hacked than a free account. When it all comes down to it, if someone really wants your account, they will find a way to get it. But really, who gives a crap, it's a free game.
You would not be saying this if your account(s) got hacked and your charcaters stripped of everything they had. Just ask the others who had it done to them and see what they say about the security system.
Luckily I have never had my accounts hacked but I think the PIN is a good thing to have.
Oh, and gratz on bumping a 10 month old thread. :D