Hello
Now im leveling summoner (80lvl now). My friends told me it is rly good pve class but weak in pvp compared to yul archers or feoh wizzards this is true? Coz my main target is pvp (small, big, 1v1,oly). So wyzz summoner is good choice?
A Wynn Summoner is something like this:
- If you know how to use it, it's a beast :D
- If you have no idea how to use it, it's worse than an elpy :D
It's nowhere near "weak" in pvp. I'm pwning tyrrs, feohs, yuls, etc... pretty much everything daily. You just need to know what you're doing.
Summoner is a beast in PVE, ok for oly but for mass pvp summoner usually is very vulnerable, if the transfer pain finishes, you will die, mainly for awakened sum, new TP transfers 75% of the damage to the first summon, after it dies, your TP stops working until the corpse disappears, and you will die in 95% of the cases, with no time for the TP comes back.
Well I guess I can say it's your job to keep your summons alive, isn't it? If you can't do that... well... :D
its not so simply, since awakened servitor heal is very worse than old servitor heal. You are not able to keep the servitor alive due to transfer pain in many situations in pvp, so it always die and you lose the TP and die, new heal is horrible.
its not so simply, since awakened servitor heal is very worse than old servitor heal. You are not able to keep the servitor alive due to transfer pain in many situations in pvp, so it always die and you lose the TP and die, new heal is horrible.
Try this, go to the manor lord and buy a harvester, when your servitor dies press the shift key, target the servitor and try to harvest it with the harvester. With a regular mob a harvester makes a corpse disappear instantly (so fast that a dwarf cannot spoil a mob if a harvester is used before spoil).
I'm wynn summoner and i love this class, i have being playing with this since i started playing lineage :p, now the only thing that its sucks to me is that for example: after any of your summons dies u cant re-summon fast there are 50secs before u can re-summon any of your servitors... in the other hand tanks and healers with no masteries to summons they can re-summon their tree or lion after dead in 5 secs thats not fair sometimes i have loose because of this, but if healer its good u will never die. I'm just saying the only bad stuff that i notice from my point of view.
A lot of people aren't geared so well because Twilight/Seraph is expensive and they aren't putting Requiem or generally bad weapons to 300+ attribute which if you aren't going there there is very little reason to even bother putting stones on a weapon.
Secondly, Summoners are pro soloers so they tend to out-level people who are limited to groups for a majority of their XPing.
Once people get generally better quality gear and a few levels Summoners will be right back where they were before as far as open PvP goes, because servitor damage output simply doesn't scale as well as player characters even with Servitor Sharing and upgraded gear.
They will likely remain a good 1v1/Olympiad class, though. It's just the nature of leaving town with Iss Buffs and 3+ separate entities that you can heal doing damage for you and taking 75% of the damage dealt to you. In Mass PvP those summons get massacre'd, though :<
Wynn summoner is extremely strong class all around.
7v7 - Reapers / Robes - ( best with mage/warrior/tank/healer/healer/enchanter ). You need a specialized party to really make it work well though, summoners dont just drop into any 7v7 party and expect to be competitive.
Olympiad - If played well beats everything atm, and I do mean everything.
Mass PVP - There is no class in lineage2 better at mass pvp then an epic hero summoner.
Wynn summoner is extremely strong class all around.
7v7 - Reapers / Robes - ( best with mage/warrior/tank/healer/healer/enchanter ). You need a specialized party to really make it work well though, summoners dont just drop into any 7v7 party and expect to be competitive.
Olympiad - If played well beats everything atm, and I do mean everything.
Mass PVP - There is no class in lineage2 better at mass pvp then an epic hero summoner.
Olympiad - it is the second best enforcer, a stacked healer (something your sever does not have) will tear a summoner to shreds.
Mass PvP - Completely useless unless it is hero and in anakim transformation. Anakim's die just like feoh wizards though. Once again, it is good on your server, but on other servers a hero anakim passively holds a "Target Me" sign and you will die very quickly. In 7v7, just add it to the list of classes that are not archers, enchanters, healers, or nukers. It's just "alright".
So overall, it is an xp juggernaut, very good at olympiad, but sub-par at best in pvp.
Maybe some players new into this class which they don't know how to stay alive during PvP. Yes, summoner can die easily without TP, but all class in the server can die in Mass PvP. Learning how to use the skills right maybe you got a chance to stay alive and kill them. Keep in mind you are not tank to accept all their damage (you can accept few hits to increase your servitor damage).
Basic Skills that must not forget is TP and Servitor Share
Learn the skills how to survive, Summon Barrier, Mark of Void, Exile or Mass Exile (to attacker then run to healer), Prevision, Servitor Balance Life, Mass Servitor Ultimate Defense (cast this if they are attacking ur servitor or if you are running away and leaving ur servitor)
Advance Skills, Dimensional Binding and Replace
Damaging Skills, All Marks and Invoke
That's a lot of skills, its up to your style how to use all of them.
Olympiad - it is the second best enforcer, a stacked healer (something your sever does not have) will tear a summoner to shreds.
Mass PvP - Completely useless unless it is hero and in anakim transformation. Anakim's die just like feoh wizards though. Once again, it is good on your server, but on other servers a hero anakim passively holds a "Target Me" sign and you will die very quickly. In 7v7, just add it to the list of classes that are not archers, enchanters, healers, or nukers. It's just "alright".
So overall, it is an xp juggernaut, very good at olympiad, but sub-par at best in pvp.
I personally think your speaking before you actually know much!
Summoner beats the crap outa healer in olympiad PVP. Clearly you havnt played a good summoner yet if your a healer, or you havnt seen a summoner worth a **** play against a good healer. The healer doesnt have a chance if the summoner plays to win on damage and uses obstacles to balance or waits for the pushing skill to be on cooldown and then uses balance. Summoner is litterly the only class that can and should win every single match vs every single class. Not to mention the summoner can win at least 30->50% of its matches against before 1->2 minuets are gone simply with the lift/bind/mark combo that is almost entirely impossible to dodge assuming mark of trick lands and or the summoner chains the dimensional bind well.
Summoner in 7v7 works out well if the party is built to handle where the summoner falls short. The summoner does MASSIVE aoe damage.. without a doubt the best of all classes.. especially with the right augments and buffs and activated augments. If done right it can unleash somewhere between 7 and 30k damage to everything in the area every 3->4 seconds. It drains dual healer parties mana extremely well due to group heal having to be used more then against any other party. It is highly likely to find a minuet or more long window near the end of the 10 minuet rebirth cycle where healers will have no mana if the summoner has done its job. Where it falls short is the single target DPS.. but paired with say a warrior and a nuker the damage difference is not the end of the world and the positives in my opinion well outway the negatives.
Ultimately it goes well with a nuker in party and a tank that is coordinated to pull the opposing party together for maximum aoe damage focusing.
Ultimately currently the best party in lineage2 is likely Tank and 3 mages. Aside from this party setup, any party is competative while running a summoner if paired with a mage.
I dont think many classes have the sustained burst damage of a feoh or yul archer. A tyrr warrior can hit hard as well but of course if you survive that....
Wynn summoner is all about sustained damage. And really depending on summon you use for what you target. What servitor skills you use far as I have seen.
You will just never be able to really do much instantaneous damage, your also less likely to be targeted and can do fancy things like that whole paralysis square. Never played a wynn so just seeing it fro mthe outside.
I'm wynn summoner and i love this class, i have being playing with this since i started playing lineage :p, now the only thing that its sucks to me is that for example: after any of your summons dies u cant re-summon fast there are 50secs before u can re-summon any of your servitors... in the other hand tanks and healers with no masteries to summons they can re-summon their tree or lion after dead in 5 secs thats not fair sometimes i have loose because of this, but if healer its good u will never die. I'm just saying the only bad stuff that i notice from my point of view.
Loled with this comment, all newbies ask for more,you play a broken class first of all only the 72% transfer pain is totally broken,the dps of summons totally broken,balance heal on summons totally broken and you want re-summon 5 sec? then nobody would be able to kill that,you barely can kill the summon,most of the times you die before you kill the summon.
if you have died with a wynn summoner or lost, then you are totally poor and unskilled,only reason all the wynn summoners are getting some pvps it's because they play a broken class that's it same way like all those noobs played slh,this is why i am gonna make a dual class wynn and prove how broken class it is.
I personally think your speaking before you actually know much!
Summoner beats the crap outa healer in olympiad PVP. Clearly you havnt played a good summoner yet if your a healer, or you havnt seen a summoner worth a **** play against a good healer. The healer doesnt have a chance if the summoner plays to win on damage and uses obstacles to balance or waits for the pushing skill to be on cooldown and then uses balance. Summoner is litterly the only class that can and should win every single match vs every single class. Not to mention the summoner can win at least 30->50% of its matches against before 1->2 minuets are gone simply with the lift/bind/mark combo that is almost entirely impossible to dodge assuming mark of trick lands and or the summoner chains the dimensional bind well.
Go into Olympiad and fight a strong healer, I think you will find it is not as trivial as you think it is. He's talking about stacked healers, not level 85 freshly awakened healers, or boxed ones doing Oly for quest.
Summoner in 7v7 works out well if the party is built to handle where the summoner falls short. The summoner does MASSIVE aoe damage.. without a doubt the best of all classes.. especially with the right augments and buffs and activated augments. If done right it can unleash somewhere between 7 and 30k damage to everything in the area every 3->4 seconds. It drains dual healer parties mana extremely well due to group heal having to be used more then against any other party. It is highly likely to find a minuet or more long window near the end of the 10 minuet rebirth cycle where healers will have no mana if the summoner has done its job. Where it falls short is the single target DPS.. but paired with say a warrior and a nuker the damage difference is not the end of the world and the positives in my opinion well outway the negatives.
A Summoner isn't out-AoEing a feoh on a consistent basis. Maybe with gimmick buffs (Final Form) or Transforms (Anakim) stacked with Rhapsody. Outside of that, no.
Ultimately it goes well with a nuker in party and a tank that is coordinated to pull the opposing party together for maximum aoe damage focusing.
Ultimately currently the best party in lineage2 is likely Tank and 3 mages. Aside from this party setup, any party is competative while running a summoner if paired with a mage.
Tank and 3 Feoh seriously you cannot be serious...
Try this, go to the manor lord and buy a harvester, when your servitor dies press the shift key, target the servitor and try to harvest it with the harvester. With a regular mob a harvester makes a corpse disappear instantly (so fast that a dwarf cannot spoil a mob if a harvester is used before spoil).
Try it and see if it works for your class.
This would only work if you seeded the pet, which you cant.
Loled with this comment, all newbies ask for more,you play a broken class first of all only the 72% transfer pain is totally broken,the dps of summons totally broken,balance heal on summons totally broken and you want re-summon 5 sec? then nobody would be able to kill that,you barely can kill the summon,most of the times you die before you kill the summon.
if you have died with a wynn summoner or lost, then you are totally poor and unskilled,only reason all the wynn summoners are getting some pvps it's because they play a broken class that's it same way like all those noobs played slh,this is why i am gonna make a dual class wynn and prove how broken class it is.If wynn is a broken class, why then i died one hit from an othel. No cp miss no TP worked. 10k dmg hit, dead with only hp effected. Now if othel isnt a broken class, is wynn?
If wynn is a broken class, why then i died one hit from an othel. No cp miss no TP worked. 10k dmg hit, dead with only hp effected. Now if othel isnt a broken class, is wynn?
When people can't win, they call it broken. If such was true, lethals were broken, mage magic dmg was broken.
The problem with these players is that they have trouble finding other weaknesses, summoner has many weaknesses but it's too hard to grasp the concept and think with their own head.
When people can't win, they call it broken. If such was true, lethals were broken, mage magic dmg was broken.
The problem with these players is that they have trouble finding other weaknesses, summoner has many weaknesses but it's too hard to grasp the concept and think with their own head.
Yo peep, i have only lost from 5 lvl higher summoners, same lvls of course not but the thing i called it broken is that a mere noobs that already have everything ready on that class, they ask for more cuz they suck since they were borned.
Also shushh peep,don't wanna make another @ss bleed.
So you find the class ALL broken becoz other players ask for more...logic...none.
:rolleyes:
I bet the low lvl summoners u rolled are also all in mos and swamp with transformation on using cougars.
you bet. :) good for me cuz i don't wanna repeat my self again,also if you play wynn summoner or feoh if you get pvps it's because of the class mechanics not because you know anything you still a mere noob.
Also an advice : buy a pair of glasses it might help your problem
If one plays a feoh or a wyn summoner, then he must be a noob!
If the class wins it's because it's broken!
If you don't agree with me, therefore you're a noob!
Man the new players logic is beyond ridiculous these days.
To use the class mechanics you need skill, if having skill is being a noob, then i don't know wtf everyone is playing.
pretty difficult to kite
pretty difficult to use mana shield and nuke the hell of this guy, if mana goes down then Hell bind yay again nuking the hell out of the guy
pretty difficult to watching summons auto hitting while you healing them,run,use taunt with middle bear,marks,nuke
you must be a genius dude.god these days kids achieve small things and they think they are smart.
pretty difficult to kite
pretty difficult to use mana shield and nuke the hell of this guy, if mana goes down then Hell bind yay again nuking the hell out of the guy
pretty difficult to watching summons auto hitting while you healing them,run,use taunt with middle bear,marks,nuke
you must be a genius dude.god these days kids achieve small things and they think they are smart.
Oh no people using the skills they acquired by rolling a certain class.
Oh no tanks broken because they have ignore death, and UDs that cap damage.
Oh no Wizards broken because they can blink and hellbind.
Oh no Summoners broken cause they can bind and have 4 pets.
Oh no daggers broken because they can 1/1 lethal.
Oh no warriors broken cause they get a 20 second CS they can hit through.
Oh no healers broken cause they can spam heal cp and their pets can crit for 30k damage! (teehee yuna ;p)
Oh no ISS is broken cause they... no clue.... they have **** transform and w/e.
Oh no archer is broken cause they have bows....
I said ''broken'' cuz people play easy class and they ask for more.
I said ''broken'' cuz you need to use less brain for the specific classes.
I said ''broken'' cuz people were used to the old style ''1 stab 1 kill''.
I said ''broken'' cuz erm some things can't go together.
I said ''broken'' cuz ermmmmmmmmmm.....it's sad watching noobs whinning for one already op class.
I said ''broken'' cuz peeps haz everything ready on a gold dish and they ask again for more.
I said ''broken'' cuz ermmm...left with no more ideas for broken...
I said ''broken'' cuz jajajajajajajajaajj(teeheee peeps ;p)
I said ''broken'' cuz yey-yey-yey-yey-yey hohohohohoho yey-yey-yey-yey-yey-yey-ye tro-lol-lol-lol-lol-lol-lol la-la-la-la
I said ''broken'' cuz ermmmm..... ... ... ... ... :eek:
So you find the class ALL broken becoz other players ask for more...logic...none.
:rolleyes:
I bet the low lvl summoners u rolled are also all in mos and swamp with transformation on using cougars.
He does have a point.
If a Summoner is 4+ levels over you, you get a damage penalty which is stacked on top of their Ultimate Transfer Pain. It makes it impossible for you to kill the Summoner with UTP up, and their servitors are ridiculously hard to kill because of the damage penalty and mobile UD + Heals/Balance.
So it's entirely possible he does not have any issues with Summoners at or near his level, but gets steamrolled by summoners 3-5 levels over him. On other classes you may still be able to win by CCing and Bursting them down, but on classes like Summoners or those that can heal themselves (Aeore, Iss) it is way harder, even impossible in some cases.
This is more noticeable in Olympiad than other places. Outside of Olympiad maybe you have a ton of Warrior pots and better buffs and can balance things out that way :P