3 groups or 2 if strong and full attack on her and some have to spam that control injection think the NPC will give you when you first go in to control her and don't wipe you.
Plain and simple good luck
There isn't any path to get to her you port straight to her room.
There isn't any minions.
Only special skill she dose is a mass poison.
Make sure preferable buffers so you don't waste damage to spam this control item.
Is like freya if somebody sleep and don't use the core = wipe out
We don't use e control device. 2 parties, each with tank and healer. 3 parties if they're not super strong toons. Just bash it and watch for the reflect skill to go up. Have daggers interrupt it or just don't hit for a few secs. Aso, will mass poison so have enchanters chain heal the moment it hits, in addition to the healers healing. Last point, use battle rhapsody the moment you start and then save it for the end when a cannon spawns and you need to hit it for a lot of dmg.
3 groups or 2 if strong and full attack on her and some have to spam that control injection think the NPC will give you when you first go in to control her and don't wipe you.
Plain and simple good luck
1 group works aswell u dont need control injection unless u do extreme istina
basicly u just dump istina in the "middle" of the 3 circles
at some point she will say green blue red w/e color istina says = "safe" zone u dont have to go there but debuff sucks
green is inner circle where istina spawns blue is middle circle red is outer circle
hence why u move istina to blue once so u can always hit it with ranged toons and being able to heal tank without gettin debuff
istina also drops some vortex around it drops ur hp to max 0 hp it doesnt kill only people that are going to do die at istina are tanks and no1 else its impossible to die at istina
nothing hard about istina
u can prolly do it in multiple ways
tank the raid with 2 tanks and tanks have to take agro from each other once they recieve istina mark the second tank should tank till he gets the mark while tank nr1 was standin back till istina mark debuff worn off
or u can prolly do this raid like frintezza also just run rounds lol never did it this way
but nowadays we do it with 7 man group but i suggest going with 2 pt's first to figure out how istina works etc.
hi again gs11 (check also your beleth post hehe),
i always give counter crit to wyns and yul and roge and tyr on my healer when me paly healer in istina- 1st i check if yul +wyn have it up,then go for roge/tyr.) but need know raid well and be good healer to have time for this beside perfect celestial use and rez/noble heal/debuff.
From good dd I expect ( ifarm alot istina,sometimes i do 14 istina/week) that they stop hit at reflect (only need to stop really after reckless crazy,before healer can easily use party celestial since no other use until taht reckless crazy/ flood skill--> real deadly acid - good healers know this.). After reckless crazy shout i expect good DD to stop hit at reflect (in case wyn mark didnt cancel it) BUT I also expect them to self countercrit on reflect raid ,when only 1-2 secs reflect skill time leftover! DD who self CC on reflect and dont kill self r real pro DD and im happy i have some of those). If u lack power on catapult for 100%, also countercrit from healer (dark veil) to the nonfeoh DDs...
Someone say they use BR on start and never again until end- I cant underline that. IT depends on your channel power and on gear - a hieropahnt with lot reuse power can easily do 2x (even 3x +1x catapult) br even with very strong 2 dd grps and its still ready for catapult ( it even fine for my domi or sd to use 2nd br near half hp - iss who dont know still to wiz harm yul and self before use minds/br,i cant help) . What we only check at br use is taht we wait after 1st reflect ,use br on 2 secs reflect left. little lower than half hp it msotly ready again,there u gotta check that u use in on a "fresh" color and best have party celest ready in case acid come (all keep hit ofc in acid under celestial party),so no waste br time with running...
Energy controll device u really need only in epic istina and once u do /farm it u learn fast the complete mechanics of raid and the use of decive when see flood selfbuff up raid.. BUt i highly recommend to respect the colors and move to the correct "rings/area" since its good exercise for epics later ( also the fact that before "reckless crazy" istina makes "easy acid" which can kill easily the " colour ignoring ppl" who have lower hp from poison...,there goes the loop to start of my post, when healer can countercrit all DD instead of rezing/noble "colour ignore ppL" unneeded --> ++countercrit,++dmg--> fast exp).
There is no multiple ways to do it despite the fact u go 1,2 or 3 party.Running not works,istina make mark+ death blow also when target very far,i noticed alot on my yul alt,only camoflage safe u after 2x rush back and forth...)
That tanks die alot is a myth also,I have self 2 istina tanks and manage very often 0 deaths as tank in all raid ,same the 2nd tank in the channel..... its a matter of timing and knowledge of raid only.
Regards Festo, Leader of Sunshines.PS: (our Epic istina record time was 8,x mins. total,not bad i think for pve ppl with our gear...)
@CrafterR: hnn, I dont think its possible go this all the way anymore, since the manners to proc CC have been altered since Lindvior update (or even before, not sure). So you have to get a considerable amount of dmg to proc it, what healers will obviously lack since Unison dont do more dmg than 200-300 and spamming healers nukes on pt members would be the worst thing ever than a healer could do while in a party's healer job. What's the best to kill Istina, even on 90'ishes? DD with apo weapons with higher element they can afford (preferably above 250, if not 300), not 2 left-handed healers and no afk'ers. No need ubber l2store buffs, intricated strategies or combos.
Well, giving counter crit for all DD works until today..For sure a lvl90 healer has a hard time give CC to 97+ ,but i not asssuming there r only 90s healer out there and lvl 93 ,95 only a matter of a few week only even w/t runes /plvl.
All my healers have 300element weap,i dont know how ppl can paly with less for a longer than few days. Anyway i not wanted to start a healer discussion,but if u bored in istina as me mostly,try CC your dd and check with your DD how dmg is going .)
97+ heals shud not nuke istina anyway ,just debuff raid ,reset and CC to DD. healing is the one of the smaller jobs in there in case u not want stand around 90% of the time for super relax play.
After reckless crazy shout i expect good DD to stop hit at reflect (in case wyn mark didnt cancel it) BUT I also expect them to self countercrit on reflect raid ,when only 1-2 secs reflect skill time leftover! DD who self CC on reflect and dont kill self r real pro DD and im happy i have some of those).
So the whole trick with this cc relay on reflect damage, which Istina turn it on herself. Correct me if i understood this wrong:
-After reckless crazy shout i should stop hitting when Istina turns on her reflect dmg, than heal should cast on me cc and i'm waiting to the last stage of Istina's reflect skill
-then give to her my best critical dmg(obviously i should manage to save me from killing myself ;p) and achieve this crtical dmg increase for 8 sec and finish her off?
But what is about with this stage before reckless crazy? Your idea was, i shouldn't bother with reflect dmg and just still hitting her or what? Didn't understand this part wtih celestial protection before reckless crazy/ flood skill,real deadly acid.
He meant that before "reckless", the acid is mediocre, and only targets one person.
Therefore he can use party celest to block the effect of reflect dmg.
After reckless, she will put up multiple acid pools, that hit twice, and will actually kill ppl, and at that point you save party celest for that, not to block a 5 second debuff, that is announced across the screen and can easily be avoided by any non-afk dd.
I stopped blocking any announced reflect on Istina ages ago on my healer. Dont expect me to pay attention and heal you dying to reflect, if you cant even pay attention to a self buff on the only thing you are fighting in there. I will be busy nuking party members to trigger Counter Critical, a much better use of my time.
So the whole trick with this cc relay on reflect damage, which Istina turn it on herself. Correct me if i understood this wrong:
-After reckless crazy shout i should stop hitting when Istina turns on her reflect dmg, than heal should cast on me cc and i'm waiting to the last stage of Istina's reflect skill
-then give to her my best critical dmg(obviously i should manage to save me from killing myself ;p) and achieve this crtical dmg increase for 8 sec and finish her off?
But what is about with this stage before reckless crazy? Your idea was, i shouldn't bother with reflect dmg and just still hitting her or what? Didn't understand this part wtih celestial protection before reckless crazy/ flood skill,real deadly acid.
Nono,u got it wrong: When raidreflect is active, a DD dont need CounterCrit on self because he doesnt hit or cant do dmg on the boss in this 10 secs.The healer nuke the DD anytime he can all the raid (as said in reflects can be lazy as healer in case DD not sleepsuicide and heal spams needed..).
Until u dont hear the 1 reckless crazy shout(about 55% hp), the raid makes only his weak acid skill which is usualy never 1 shooting ppl and can be healed easily with 1 balanse and 1 grpheal combi. So until this shout the healer has his party celestial free to use for reflects and with partycelest on u, u can lazy keep on hit the boss while her reflect is up w/t risk of suicide. When the healer doesnt know this (u find out fast after 1st sec in the 1st reflect begin of raid..), ALWAYS stop hitting as soon reflect is up raid, but u can hit at 1-2 secs left for self CC as mentioned before so u have 6-7 secs CC on you w/t the healer having to do it.
The reflect skill or the reckless crazy shout has not much to do with the healer CCing DDs despite the fact that DD can take little nuke work off the healer ( good pve players who look after every detail will love such DD and CCing healers).
My point of view is that good healers can - all the raid long + catapult - permantly nuke the DD (not feoh),but safe lil handwork when DD self-CC sometiems on reflects.. Ofc u wont realise that 100% CC is up all the raid on all your 3-4 DD since u need occasionally rez/noble /debuff /heal/move color/run out acid. But U can keep it up like this on all 3-4 DD at least 50% of the raiding time ( im sure if u try hard for perfection u can do 75%+ and yes..by hands ).
All this healer countercritting (CCing) i wud not recommend in a random istina, where many different clans and not knowing each other ppl come together (flag aoe issues..). Its just 1 way to improve your clanraids and to have more fun by looking more into the details.
Self-CC as DD on last 1-2 secs raidreflect works however for any channel.
I hope that i ve not written it too complicated and was little help, lol - english isnt my mother language..regards Festo,Leader of Sunshine (chronos)
PS: after my post was done, i noticed smittie has alrdy explained it on 2nd page in alot less words and i edited this PS haha,ty. But smithie is good player, i can see, and I total understand the "non-saving" policy lol. CCing the DD is much more fun and ppl will learn faster if let them suicide and not rez them fast ( as fast as u truly could lol - best rez only if u have a sec when all other DD have CC on and best near 50-55 secs after he/she died- haha).
iI still use Pcelest on acids as rdy tho, due to the fact that all close-ranged DD can just keep on doing dmg then that 10 secs. But ok.
THumbs up smithie
I think you might have misread my post a lil bit. The only thing I use party celest for is the acid.
Reflect if 5 seconds buff on Istina. Just let the dd's take a lil break for 5 sec. Maybe have some KoolAid or something, and ready to go in 5 sec.
In single party istina, we dont move to any colors at all, I just heal through it. DDs stop hitting on reflect unless stopped by poison zone from dagger. And we celest on acid if its up, if not we just sidestep the acid.
As for multiple clan raid, or random istina, I would suggest no flagging at all. If one party flags that means dds in that party will get hit by poison zone from other party. Poison zone is too good of a debuff on the raid to not use. And lets face it, its randoms, their game play is already at a disadvantage, lets not pile on more things to cripple them.
Ok i have red all yours opinions, but still i dont understand co-relation between CC and Istina's reflect.
This whole thing with CC is about the TIME when we could get critdmg buff? Its so important to use this CC on 1/2 last seconds when Istina's reflect is up, couse we wanne choose time when we wanne trriger critdmg buff on through ourself dmg inflicted to Istina(when she has reflect buff on her self) or what?
Or maybe i missed 1 most important thing: that only time when CC and critdmg buff could trigger on is the time,when we could give dmg to Istina with reflect, couse all raid time all dmg from Istina is taking by tank?
I havent be on Istina before , so thats why i have so silly question:)
Dont understand idea CC and Istina's reflect, as u sad before healer could nuke CC on DD all the raid time, so could you help me and explain :
-ALWAYS stop hitting as soon reflect is up raid, but u can hit at 1-2 secs left for self CC as mentioned before so u have 6-7 secs CC on you w/t the healer having to do it.-can u explain this part more clearly?
-but safe lil handwork when DD self-CC sometiems on reflects.-why this is safer way?
English its not my mother language also , so maybe thats why i cant get it or maybe i'm to noobie on new l2.( return to the game after long time) ;p
Istina is incredibly easy to raid, you just need to pay attention to the giant messages that sometimes pop up in the middle of your screen, those usually announce when she is going to cast reflect, acid rain and the poisonous zones. Though not every time it happens the message is being shown, so you also have to keep an eye for Istina's skill casting.
Stop hitting when reflect is up, scatter when the acid is being cast and the healer's Celestial Party Protection is on cooldown in those seconds, keep pummelling down Istina ignoring the poison if you're a melee (the damage you get from the poison is kind of silly compared to the DPS you can potentially lose by running back and forth to avoid the coloured areas), and keep Battle Rhapsody ready for the magic cannon in the end.
I've done it where it went really smooth and fast and then there's been times where it took forever, people died often and it gets a aggravating. You'll have those days where sh*t just does not flow.
It's best to always do what you can for yourself to stay alive to help the healer and ISS. Even if it's just a little it all helps. Once you do it a few times you learn.
Ok, but whats about this CC and saving this for 1/2 sec Istina's reflect?Whats special about this trick?
Its just a thing u can do ,if u bored and everyone knows how to do this raid very good to speed it up a tiny bit and want perfect pve gameplay.
No need think bout it ,if not have a bigger good clan where u raid more or less permanently with the same players. Countercrit give u a crit dmg boost so is not bad to have it up as a DD...:)
keep pummelling down Istina ignoring the poison if you're a melee (the damage you get from the poison is kind of silly compared to the DPS you can potentially lose by running back and forth to avoid the coloured areas)
Is right in case the "weak acid" first 40% hp goes on a ranged DD ( sometimes its targeting someone near raid, then it kill those color ignoring mellee ppl.)
As mentioned above , I think its good idea never ignore color in easy mode ,when u plan to farm epic istina later at 97+ (because its exercise for epic mode,or how/when will ppl learn this instead?). Since in epic mode ,when u ignore colors for exampel as tyr, u use aoe and 1 mob kills u easy when u have color poison on u after stun on mob is worn off.
Fact is, the colour poison can pretty much be ignored in normal mode thanks to mass heals (the only drawback is the loss of casting/attack speed from it). A Tyrr warrior can try to use this to his own advantage, popping that whatever skill (forgot the name) that can only be used below a certain HP threshold...
Obviously epic Istina is harder, but that's what CC chat is for, instructing your CC to act with their eyes open and never ignore the dangers, such as the adds, the colours, the acid rain and reflect...
Is right in case the "weak acid" first 40% hp goes on a ranged DD ( sometimes its targeting someone near raid, then it kill those color ignoring mellee ppl.)
As mentioned above , I think its good idea never ignore color in easy mode ,when u plan to farm epic istina later at 97+ (because its exercise for epic mode,or how/when will ppl learn this instead?). Since in epic mode ,when u ignore colors for exampel as tyr, u use aoe and 1 mob kills u easy when u have color poison on u after stun on mob is worn off.
You can still learn the colors even if not running to them though. They light up fairly well. Instruct ppl what they would have had to do in case it was epic raid and just dont move and outheal the poison.
Or are most dd's so bad that they cant listen to instructions? Ppl should be able to learn even without actually doing it. You only need to know the order of colors to be able to move. And since you can do Istina from lvl 90 and cant do Epic Istina until 97, they should have more than enough time to learn it before then. Even if they lvl fast.
Istina is avaialbe available every week? I have few questions about stages and acces to Istina.
From l2wiki.com
Stage 1 Kill mobs in Seed of Annihilation, once you’ve achieved a certain result, at 13.00 Seed of Annihilation will move to the second stage of the cycle.
Stages 2-3 Stage 2 lasts for 2 weeks, then stage 3 starts. During stage 3 Istina (common) becomes available.
Stage 4 If the players killed Istina (common) 10 times or more, then on Monday at 13.00 Seed of Annihilation will move to stage 4. During stage 4 Istina (extreme) becomes available.
Stage 5 If during stage 3 the players haven’t killed Istina (common) 10 times, then Seed of Annihilation will move to stage 5. Stage 5 lasts for 3 weeks, then Seed of Annihilation returns to stage 1.
-So if Istina common dies 10 times or more, for example on Friday, I'll will have to wait until nearest Monday 13:00 to acces Istina epic?
-How much time stage 4 lasts?Until next Monday 13:00?
-In stage 5, which last for 3 weeks Istina isn't available and ppl can only killing normal mobs on SoA?
I don't understand clearly these rules and and exact times gates between stages.