Dark elf > Human?

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My human Paladin is level 61, but upon reading up on the Dark Elf tank I see that he has several great skills, including more P. Atk. and there's an HP bug where human CON is higher but Dark Elf has more HP and CP.

So, in short, do dark elves kick human butt as tanks?
no

and awakened, the skills become the same, racial skills and base stats are dif per race.
I'm quite aware that after awakening, everything merges, but can you please defend your "no" argument?
u are looking at pre-awakened skills. imo the the paladin and hell knight are the 2 best tanks (used to be before awakened characters were introduced).

as far as awakened, specific racial skills and higher con will be best for a tank. DE racials are very overpowered, but not the best choice for a tank in my opinion.
but not the best choice for a tank in my opinion.

Orc? ;)
It doesn't matter what tank class to take if you are considering what lies ahead when you awaken, unless you want to try to save a skill from being awakened (example giving up a pre awakened class skill for an awakened one.). It all matters upon what race to take. In my opinion, Humans make great Sigels than Elves.

Humans have:
Aim: Passive accuracy and critical resistance
Mental Fortress: Passive MDef
Fitness: Passive MP and HP Recovery
Steadfast: Actively removes Poison/Hold/Bleed/Stun and prevents them
=This is good for a tank

Dark Elves have:
Dark Presence: STR and INT increase during night time
Life Siphon: Self explanatory
Vanish: Cancels debuffs, makes you untargetable and increases spd
Sharp Mind: Increase in Physical crit rate and Magic crit damage.
=This is good for Archers, Daggers and Nukers

Stay Human if you want to be a good tank. But if you want to mix it up and go with a Dark Elf racial skills on a tank, you can balance it out with enhancements from having subclasses, aka subclass skills (which, from last time I had played the game, is now applied to all of your subs and main class.)
Orc? ;)

Orc and dwarf are equally as good in my opinion based on racial skills.
which class as an orc awakens into a tank??
which class as an orc awakens into a tank??

Unless u have a stone of destiny, none. Same goes for dwarf.
Unless u have a stone of destiny, none. Same goes for dwarf.

I am thinking of using the stone to awaken as eather an Archer or Tank...not sure yet.
I am thinking of using the stone to awaken as eather an Archer or Tank...not sure yet.

Best archer is a dark elf, so that would be a waste.
u are looking at pre-awakened skills. imo the the paladin and hell knight are the 2 best tanks (used to be before awakened characters were introduced).

as far as awakened, specific racial skills and higher con will be best for a tank. DE racials are very overpowered, but not the best choice for a tank in my opinion.

I kinda disagree, lets talk about olympiad, STR is what counts imo, since more STR means more chance of skills crit (spike shield, ud, so on), also, the DE racial is op compared to the human one.

Olympiad matches dont tend to last more than 2 minutes, wich imo, makes con a overkill.

Question in time, does shield block rate, blocks/lower incoming magic attacks?
I kinda disagree, lets talk about olympiad, STR is what counts imo

Gear....Gear....Gear....and a lil skill.
Gear....Gear....Gear....and a lil skill.

You need gear, and skill, this combination has been proven countless times, and I dont know why people insite to pull the gear card. You can also get fed like no tomorrow.

Still waiting for Hyperlite answer, or any1 capable of doing it so, cause Im playing a DE tank, and since oly is the best of this game imo, I would like to make the best gear/skill/class setup possible.
Best archer is a dark elf, so that would be a waste.

not looking for best, just for fun :)
You need gear, and skill, this combination has been proven countless times, and I dont know why people insite to pull the gear card. You can also get fed like no tomorrow.

Still waiting for Hyperlite answer, or any1 capable of doing it so, cause Im playing a DE tank, and since oly is the best of this game imo, I would like to make the best gear/skill/class setup possible.

Str does matter, but at the moment tanks have no real problems in oly. Looking at pure racial skills and ignoring stats, the orcs invincibility and the dwarfs reflect mark the best possibly racial skills for a tank. The DE disperation or whatever it's called isn't that crazy for a tank when you couple in the other skills it has at its disposal.

Str does matter. However, unless your rocking 100+ str u should probably focus on all stats that matter for a tank rather than just 1 stat. Tanks used to own oly equally as well with an HP sword and a focus sword based on skills they had at their disposal. High str and patk isn't always an instant win. I have 122 str on my de archer and skill matery roughly onces out of every 4/5 skills. When I was around 105ish str the skill masteries were much worse, more like 1/10. I'm not saying its a bad build, I'm just saying the racial for de isn't the best for a tank when looking at other options.
I kinda disagree, lets talk about olympiad, STR is what counts imo, since more STR means more chance of skills crit (spike shield, ud, so on), also, the DE racial is op compared to the human one.

Olympiad matches dont tend to last more than 2 minutes, wich imo, makes con a overkill.

Question in time, does shield block rate, blocks/lower incoming magic attacks?

Reflect dmg from dark avenger+10 + reflect dmg aug..+ superior CON...

Right there reflect 44% of incoming dmg for entire match and able to withstand a lil more dmg due to bit more hp/cp.

Why i want STR on tank when i can just reflect almost half dmg done to me? On EVERY SINGLE attack done to me. If you call lion, the buffs goes to him aswell so if oponent uses AOE he gets with with 98% his own dmg (if it catches both at same time) and im guessing the lion has much less m def/ p def so even more dmg reflected back.
It doesn't matter what tank class to take if you are considering what lies ahead when you awaken, unless you want to try to save a skill from being awakened (example giving up a pre awakened class skill for an awakened one.). It all matters upon what race to take. In my opinion, Humans make great Sigels than Elves.

Humans have:
Aim: Passive accuracy and critical resistance
Mental Fortress: Passive MDef
Fitness: Passive MP and HP Recovery
Steadfast: Actively removes Poison/Hold/Bleed/Stun and prevents them
=This is good for a tank

Dark Elves have:
Dark Presence: STR and INT increase during night time
Life Siphon: Self explanatory
Vanish: Cancels debuffs, makes you untargetable and increases spd
Sharp Mind: Increase in Physical crit rate and Magic crit damage.
=This is good for Archers, Daggers and Nukers

Stay Human if you want to be a good tank. But if you want to mix it up and go with a Dark Elf racial skills on a tank, you can balance it out with enhancements from having subclasses, aka subclass skills (which, from last time I had played the game, is now applied to all of your subs and main class.)
Life Siphon isn't self-explanatory.

It's a 1% VR effect that (from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong) is 100% chance.

I guess how good it is depends on how hard the tank is hitting. But you're right, for DDs it is very good, when you're critting so often for 15-30k or more at higher levels with high M.Atk/Casting/Crit/Attack Speed/P.Atk.
Life Siphon isn't self-explanatory.

It's a 1% VR effect that (from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong) is 100% chance.

I guess how good it is depends on how hard the tank is hitting. But you're right, for DDs it is very good, when you're critting so often for 15-30k or more at higher levels with high M.Atk/Casting/Crit/Attack Speed/P.Atk.


Every form of VR through passive or buff is 20% chance since GOD launched.
which class as an orc awakens into a tank??

as far as i know, if you awaken a dwarf or an orc into a tank, you'll get human racials.
as far as i know, if you awaken a dwarf or an orc into a tank, you'll get human racials.

No. You keep dwarf/orc race stats as well as their racial skills, but you get the Phoenix Knight skill set.
Every form of VR through passive or buff is 20% chance since GOD launched.
seems to be more like 80%, seriously, as a mage i rarely see any skill not filling my hp bar on single target mobs
seems to be more like 80%, seriously, as a mage i rarely see any skill not filling my hp bar on single target mobs

I know what you mean, i got that as a healer below 85, most nukes were giving HP back...but it was posted like that as far as i remember (once korean announced VR could come through skills).