The Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update has been officially announced! On March 7, 2012, the latest game update will be installed onto the live game servers.
FYI I've seen some translated patch notes on other sites and some rumors among players about Mentee Coins doubling with the Harmony update. This is not the case; when the Harmony update was launch in Korea and the new Mentor buffs were added (shortly after the actual update launch) there was also a server event that doubled Mentee Coins. This was only a temporary event and it is not a permanent change to the game system. We are not currently slotted to have this event but that may change in the future.
This is gonna be fun!
The main purpose for this is to allow the mentor to cast a Harmony buff on the mentee. I'm looking forward to mentees ragequitting the mentors when they don't accept the summon...
The Sales Fee is the greater number of either 1,000 Adena, or 0.5% of the item’s Sale Price per days that the item was registered for. For example: an item that is up for sale for 5 days sells for 200,000,000 Adena, so 100,000 Adena is deducted as the Sales Fee, and 199,900,000 Adena is mailed to the seller.
Actually on the Korean Powerwiki, all crafting materials needed are increased compared to now, and there is no update about craft system in following wednesday's patches or in the Tauti update
Mentor’s Guardian Harmony: Increases the selected mentee’s P. Atk. by 12%, P. Def. by 445%, shield defense rate by 30%, shield P. Def. by 50%, P. Critical Damage by 35%, and P. Critical Rate by 100% for 2 hours.
But I heard Harmony is composed by several small patches, is our Harmony a build-up of all the patches or just the first batch?
We don't have official notes on it being purposely a series of different patches, like High Five was. However, after the Harmony update came our in Korea, there were some additional changes made afterward, such as the new Mentor buffs. Our build includes the Harmony update as well as changes made soon after it.
Mentor’s Guardian Harmony: Increases the selected mentee’s P. Atk. by 12%, P. Def. by 445%, shield defense rate by 30%, shield P. Def. by 50%, P. Critical Damage by 35%, and P. Critical Rate by 100% for 2 hours.
nice buff :D, probabily a typo error :p
Indeed that is a typo, and it is now fixed. :)
From unofficial site, translated from korean prolly
"materials required to craft R grade has been increased. "
from NCsoft
"The amount of ingredients required for crafting R-grade items has been reduced."
The Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update has been officially announced! On March 7, 2012, the latest game update will be installed onto the live game servers.
The full Harmony patch notes (http://www.lineage2.com/en/game/patch-notes/harmony/) have also been posted to the website. Enjoy! :)
hey sace fyi the latest game update should be tauti not harmony just saying...
We don't have official notes on it being purposely a series of different patches, like High Five was. However, after the Harmony update came our in Korea, there were some additional changes made afterward, such as the new Mentor buffs. Our build includes the Harmony update as well as changes made soon after it.
I didn't see anything about the Gemstone cost for adding a second SA to R- Grade and R95 weapons being reduced. So it looks like this is just the first patch.
We don't have official notes on it being purposely a series of different patches, like High Five was. However, after the Harmony update came our in Korea, there were some additional changes made afterward, such as the new Mentor buffs. Our build includes the Harmony update as well as changes made soon after it.
Then probably what I've read was referring to the changes after the first launch of Harmony. Glad that we'll have all the "patches" together :)
I'm less glad about the nerf on the forces, but whatever... :rolleyes:
i dont see the purpose of reducing the forces to 1% from 5/6% personally. the new benefits are practically worthless when you compare them to other buffs.
Sace, i have 2 questions:
Does this update include placing the new items onto the auction house per the korean notes (removing non r grade items and including r95 blessed)?
Does this update include fixing the missing accessories from the junk trader to allow eye patches, party hats and the associated stat boosting items to finally drop from the accessory chests?
I didn't see anything about the Gemstone cost for adding a second SA to R- Grade and R95 weapons being reduced. So it looks like this is just the first patch.
i like u elamr, but i dont like the info you are posting today :-P
edit: u have any info on the rumors about awakened skills being forced to be learned (no more options, u have to take all awakened skills etc.)? this rumor has been going around a bit as of lately.
I didn't see anything about the Gemstone cost for adding a second SA to R- Grade and R95 weapons being reduced. So it looks like this is just the first patch.
I'm looking into this question now, but please remember that the Korean Powerwiki shows what is on their servers, and it is not necessarily the same as our servers. I do not know of any coming "patches" other than Tauti later on, but if I learn anything new I'll let you know.
Does this update include placing the new items onto the auction house per the korean notes (removing non r grade items and including r95 blessed)?
The Changes to Items section says that we're adding items to the Auctioneer list, but we do not provide a full list of what items are and are not on the Auctioneer in the Harmony update.
Does this update include fixing the missing accessories from the junk trader to allow eye patches, party hats and the associated stat boosting items to finally drop from the accessory chests?
Actually on the Korean Powerwiki, all crafting materials needed are increased compared to now, and there is no update about craft system in following wednesday's patches or in the Tauti update
This is correct, "reduced" is wrong and it's now fixed to read "increased."
So, where's the 0.5% here? :confused:
Fixed the example. It now reads: "For example: an item that is up for sale for 5 days sells for 200,000,000 Adena, so 5,000,000 Adena is deducted as the Sales Fee, and 195,000,000 Adena is mailed to the seller."
I'm looking into this question now, but please remember that the Korean Powerwiki shows what is on their servers, and it is not necessarily the same as our servers. I do not know of any coming "patches" other than Tauti later on, but if I learn anything new I'll let you know.
On Asian websites nothing like this has been discussed, so I guess those are long-term plans. I myself don't know anything more than what is written on goha.ru :)
Sace, any change to mentor penality? still 7 days when the mentee stab mentor's back?
There are no patch notes about changes to Mentor System penalty.
This changes to proof of loyalty, it is going to have IMMO/TW recipes instead of unidentified immortal gears?
If you mean Certificates/Proofs of Fidelity, it seems that instead of Unidentified Requiem weapons, they yield recipes for Unidentified Requiem weapons or some crafting materials or Requiem weapon parts.
the physical skill boost, (actually called balance many times) and the soulshot damage increase for blows (othell)
Where i read about it was refering to Tauti, not sure if this is the case
the physical skill boost, (actually called balance many times) and the soulshot damage increase for blows (othell)
Where i read about it was refering to Tauti, not sure if this is the case
There are no notes about this in the Harmony update (which is this thread's sole topic) so I cannot offer answers to the question. As we get finalized patch notes for later game updates and start new threads about those topics we can discuss them there.
There are no notes about this in the Harmony update (which is this thread's sole topic) so I cannot offer answers to the question. As we get finalized patch notes for later game updates and start new threads about those topics we can discuss them there.
Not sure this was what "KermitFrog" meant by the question:
where is that "small melee boost" ??? u ruins tyrrs hope
Will the mentor have to cast them on you personally?
Yes, you need to target the Mentee to cast the 3 new buffs. Also, the 3 new buffs do not stack. So, if you have one Mentee of each of these class types (tank, melee, caster), you have a buff tailored to each.
And why would there be a mentor mentor summon??? Are these buffs 30 minute ones? I doubt that a mentor would want to stop let's say his spa reptilokons group or harnaks just to buff 30 minutes buff
And why would there be a mentor mentor summon??? Are these buffs 30 minute ones? I doubt that a mentor would want to stop let's say his spa reptilokons group or harnaks just to buff 30 minutes buff
They are 2 hour buffs but your concern still applies.
They are 2 hour buffs but your concern still applies.
Yeah just re read and saw 2hrs, but still hehe, I guess all ill have to do now for my meters is macro for sonatas gagaha, they should make all odd buffs for two hours lol, that would be hilarious
Right, might as well keep my "aura" turned off... It was pretty hard to get people to use them, but now they are useless..
They should also add more mobs to the areas instead of changing mob levels in them.
Right, might as well keep my "aura" turned off... It was pretty hard to get people to use them, but now they are useless..
They should also add more mobs to the areas instead of changing mob levels in them.
+1. or at least make spawning every 20-25 seconds istead of 45-60seconds
also should reopen Catas and make them daily instances :P by lvl range starting from lvl 25 all the way to 99
I'm not sure what you mean about "parts or rec." The new rewards column lists what the new rewards are.
"The items available for exchange of the following certificates has changed from stanard items to crafting materials and recipes:
Certificates/Proofs of Fidelity
Certificates of Promise
Certificates of Life
Certificates of Hero
Certificates of Hell"
You did quest to get the Certificates and with it it was giving full items. Now it seems it just gives rec and parts.
I know a lot of ppl here are not 90 yet so they dont relize that they are going to loose out on getting items that was easy to get before from some quests.
"The items available for exchange of the following certificates has changed from stanard items to crafting materials and recipes:
Certificates/Proofs of Fidelity
Certificates of Promise
Certificates of Life
Certificates of Hero
Certificates of Hell"
You did quest to get the Certificates and with it it was giving full items. Now it seems it just gives rec and parts.
So no more Unidentified Requiem weapons from Filaur? :(
By the way, are we getting a new log in screen?
No new log in screen but a lot of new loading screens(for example scene of arm wrestling between orc and dwarf)
So no more Unidentified Requiem weapons from Filaur? :(
only recipes and resources
When you craft something chance of getting normal item much better then now. I think that market will be flooded with normal items. Its a very good rewamping of craft.... until Tauti comes to us...
only recipes and resources
When you craft something chance of getting normal item much better then now. I think that market will be flooded with normal items. Its a very good rewamping of craft.... until Tauti comes to us...
Got it, thanks. I'll probably spend my Certificates on some req weapons now...
good patch for me being 78 with my top character! :D
just wish i had sold all those forgotten scroll i have been getting in silent valley doing the dialy quests! :eek:... hope the vendors still buy them! :)
And the hits keep on coming for the mentoring system. You do realize that if you ignore the summon from the mentee there will be major fallout from that? I mean If I'm in the middle of a raid or xp party I am not responding >.<
"The items available for exchange of the following certificates has changed from stanard items to crafting materials and recipes:
Certificates/Proofs of Fidelity
Certificates of Promise
Certificates of Life
Certificates of Hero
Certificates of Hell"
You did quest to get the Certificates and with it it was giving full items. Now it seems it just gives rec and parts.
I know a lot of ppl here are not 90 yet so they dont relize that they are going to loose out on getting items that was easy to get before from some quests.
Hmmm.. why does this feel like a downgrade instead of an update?
EDIT: Oh, nvm. unknowndancer explained it and it sounds okay now. Hyped for this update. Anything that will make botting less usefull.
And the hits keep on coming for the mentoring system. You do realize that if you ignore the summon from the mentee there will be major fallout from that? I mean If I'm in the middle of a raid or xp party I am not responding >.<
Hmmm.. why does this feel like a downgrade instead of an update?
EDIT: Oh, nvm. unknowndancer explained it and it sounds okay now. Hyped for this update. Anything that will make botting less usefull.
Well, to me it seems a bit of a downgrade, in addition with the forces nerf...
And I agree seems like a downgrade over an upgrade. There's some things I like and some things that make me want to barf. It's quite possible I may be moving on to Tera and leave L2 as something to do once in awhile hence I'm not too burnt up about what the patches do anymore. Game is free so I've just learned to roll with it. Some of the changes are just implements from old events, sad to see special events becoming common in game functions.
where their be an event for the update? possibly something with vitality?
would it be accurate than that the terragamer wiki is accurate for tauti update aswell?
how large is the update? and how long will the downtime be?
We do have some plans for activities surrounding the Harmony launch but we still need to finalize a few details before we can announce it.
The update is not very large, but I cannot give a downtime estimate until we post the maintenance notice tomorrow.
I'm afraid we cannot quality control the information that players post on fan sites. Such information is sometimes mis-translated from Korean, and is also taken from the Korean Powerwiki, which often shows information that differs from our own servers. Players may read what they like, of course, but we cannot vouch for patch notes other than the ones we post officially. Our official patch notes for Tauti will not be ready for some time, as we're only just now launching the preceding update.
i dont see the purpose of reducing the forces to 1% from 5/6% personally. the new benefits are practically worthless when you compare them to other buffs.
There should be 3 levels of Party Solidarty, not just 1%.
When 4 or more forces are applied, the Party Solidarity effect is activated. When the number of forces applied increases, the Party Solidarity effect is raised.
This is what I translated from gametsg:
Party Solidarity Lv1 -> Party with 4 different auras
[Forces displayed: Yul+Tyrr+Siegl+Aeore+Party Solidarity aura lv1]
Physical attack/ Magical attack/ Physical critical rate/ Attack speed/ Casting speed +1%
Skill cooldown -1%
Party Solidarity Lv2 -> Party with 5 different auras
[Forces displayed: Tyrr+Othell+Siegl+Aeore+Wynn+PS aura lv2]
Physical/ Magical attack +5%; Physical critical rate/ Attack speed/ Casting speed +2%
Skill cooldown -2%
Party Solidarity Lv3 -> Party with 6 different auras
[Forces displayed: Othell+Tyrr+Wynn+Siegl+Aeore+Yul+PS aura lv3]
Physical/ Magical attack +13%; Physical critical rate/ Attack speed/ Casting speed +4%
Skill cooldown -5%
I guess there's a party for every class now..... :D
Do we know if the mentor has to buff it or if mentee can buff it on themself?
If mentee can do it, its good
if mentor has to do it i might aswell bring my ISS and lvl my own alts
If you're referring to the three new Mentor buffs, they say "the selected Mentee" in their descriptions, meaning the Mentor has to target the Mentee in order to cast the skill.
If you're referring to the three new Mentor buffs, they say "the selected Mentee" in their descriptions, meaning the Mentor has to target the Mentee in order to cast the skill.
Which means YES you have to go to the mentee and give them the buffs manually which is why there is a summon mentor skill now. I predict massive emp raging on the mentors for this
Which means YES you have to go to the mentee and give them the buffs manually which is why there is a summon mentor skill now. I predict massive emp raging on the mentors for this
Agreed, I can see it already:
Mentor: Why did you drop me? I've been on 24/7 for you for the past 3 weeks?
Mentee: My 2 hour buff was ticking and you didn't respond to my summon, so I got a new mentor for the last .001% I needed to 86.
SaceThe Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update has been officially announced! On March 7, 2012, the latest game update will be installed onto the live game servers.
So, after all the botters, cheaters , ncstore users have xped and alrdy done most of these quests to benefit, YOU "Ncsoft" change these amazing quests to become some random new stuff to benefit the above mentioned even more before even 70% of the Legit existent Players are even close to starting these quests ?
Secrets have been passed out among us Normal grinding here and there spending coin to purchade nc items players, yet we offer you ncsoft great support by reporting such as mention bad programuser. yet you have done next to nothing but ban the little men among these program users , but the main force of illegal program users still do exist and more to be added to their rank.
What makes you think that this isnt going to be makeing 80% the new joined players leave already again?
You gave great quests such like this and then after all big wallet "bday pot buyer from ncstore" and the "illegal army" have done these quests , now your favours are done with these quests so you change them to some xp/sp + reward that is like attribute crystal and Enchant armor r and Weapon R scrolls instead of Adamantine weapon "R99" and Eternal "R99" and seraph armor "R95" . So we " the Legit players " only get Attri stones and armor/weapon scrolls .
I can say once again, Lineage2 isnt about fairness , its about Pay-to-Win and Bot-to-win . thats how its gona end sooner or later
Ask yourself Guys , arent you tired to always see the same Men/women Being Hero every month even tho all servers have like 6k active players ?
Surprise , you will never Beat such men/women cuz he runs like 2-4 bot grps to supply him/her with Adena so he can just keep on going without having to look into his wallet .
I am sorry for breaking your dreams you try to reach and archieve within the game players
Enjoy your journey is the last i am gona say here
Best Regards
Sweetdreamz ,been here since C-3 and nothing has changed,
gratz botters you won as usual every chronicle
this is no qq or drama thread , release your thoughs but please do not flame or insult other forum members within this thread ! thanks
edit: u have any info on the rumors about awakened skills being forced to be learned (no more options, u have to take all awakened skills etc.)? this rumor has been going around a bit as of lately.
I had heard the same and asked on rochand, but supposedly there are screen shots from harmony floating around that show a toon with rhythms and knights, so probably a false rumor.
The update launched 3 months ago, so if you couldn't legit level to 90 by now then you're doing something wrong. Hate to break it to you but that's the truth.
The update launched 3 months ago, so if you couldn't legit level to 90 by now then you're doing something wrong. Hate to break it to you but that's the truth.
called having a life, not defending him but most people do not have the time to grind all day. 3 months when you can log in only a few times a week really is not that much.
called having a life, not defending him but most people do not have the time to grind all day. 3 months when you can log in only a few times a week really is not that much.
The OP just went on about how only bots hit 90, so we're not talking about just casuals here. I understand some people have only a few hours a week to play, but the majority of players play way more than that. If you play this game 15-20 hours a week or more on average then it's not that hard to hit 90 even without botting.
SOA/Swamp Daily/Harnaks 3rd, etc. If you're a swamp warrior from 85-90 then yea it's going to take forever, but then you're also doing it wrong.
The OP just went on about how only bots hit 90, so we're not talking about just casuals here. I understand some people have only a few hours a week to play, but the majority of players play way more than that. If you play this game 15-20 hours a week or more on average then it's not that hard to hit 90 even without botting.
SOA/Swamp Daily/Harnaks 3rd, etc. If you're a swamp warrior from 85-90 then yea it's going to take forever, but then you're also doing it wrong.
Ahhh, got yea. I did not read more than a few lines of his post, just enough to discover he was crying.
i did say do not flame or insult players within this thread, if u did only read my text then go further and actual read these quests , i dont think u can do R99 weapon and R95/99 armor quests with lv 90 retri ....
theres some ppl have enjoy playing Dual subclass and theres newstarters that play their 3 subclasses to 80 before moveing forward with their main with the great benefits from having subclass skills , all these players are now --- becuz of this patch.
yes i mentioned illegal program users , and yes i know that ppl could have xped to 90 legitly within the last 3 month , but remember, This is not a Who wins the race to 99 first Game , its about fun , challengeing , reaching goals, daily enjoyment. if i and most others were chosen to go grind all day long, we coulda just done what everyone else does , get a macro keyboard and or a program cuz thats how ppl xp nowadays, there should be some luv for working living people aswell, not only for programusers and HartzIV and unemployed ppl
once again this is just my opinion , if you want action and drama and qq to happen plz go to L2guru to see how ppl qq cuz their toons have been banned or how bad their programs work and they need better scripts ...
It's nice that many ppl seems to think that's easy to lvl to 90+. I play every day in the week for some hours (too much when I believe my husband :) ) but I am only 89. If you don't have the right class to get super-mega-xp party in harnak/soa.
Most days I only did dailys because of lack of a party and some times I lose exp because of noob parties in soa/harnak.
Then add wars if you are in a clan and you will see that its not as easy as you say without a const party to get lvl 90+.
But you are right, if you have every day or most of the time a very good party you can make some % at a day but don't tell that's easy to lvl up.
I'm not sure what you mean about "parts or rec." The new rewards column lists what the new rewards are.
FUNNY ONES.
ppl bot like hell, get lv, dont get ban, GET THE SUPER REWARD FROM ISTINA INSTANCE WHO GAVE THEM SERAPH STUFF that other guyz include myself even did have the chance to see and now, WE WONT GET IT COS WE ARE PLAYING FAIR AND LEVELING SLOWLY?
I know why I only take my boxes as mentees :P they dont cry :D
Will be nice to use summon with my boxes :D But think it wont be possible when you are in combat mode.
BTW it seems there is a simple solution to it:
1) 20kk fee (once) to get a mentor.
2) 100kk fee (once) + 10kk per week for beeing online 24/7.
3) 2kk fee to get 2h buff (every time)
4) the all inc. package: 200kk (once) to buff every 2h for one week :D
ppl bot like hell, get lv, dont get ban, GET THE SUPER REWARD FROM ISTINA INSTANCE WHO GAVE THEM SERAPH STUFF that other guyz even did have the chance to see and NOW WE WONT GET IT COS WE ARE PLAYING FAIR AND LEVELING SLOWLY?
funny ones.
It's like always if you don't manage to lvl fast up and get the good drops you lose. Only botters and prog users win :)
I gave up to get rich in Lineage. But NCSoft get rich with us :P
Our build includes the Harmony update as well as changes made soon after it.
Does it includes pre-Harmony patches such as Bullseye skill working on new R-grade crossbows + SwS/BD Rhytms not stacking with any of Harmony buffs?
It's always been like this and it will never change. I, for one, have given up to even try competing, so I just log in, leave a shop open and do something else instead.
One thing can be sure though, massive influx of green-green 85ers that dont have a clue, most party would avoid taking 85 even if they are veteran players. :(
i did say do not flame or insult players within this thread, if u did only read my text then go further and actual read these quests , i dont think u can do R99 weapon and R95/99 armor quests with lv 90 retri ....
theres some ppl have enjoy playing Dual subclass and theres newstarters that play their 3 subclasses to 80 before moveing forward with their main with the great benefits from having subclass skills , all these players are now --- becuz of this patch.
yes i mentioned illegal program users , and yes i know that ppl could have xped to 90 legitly within the last 3 month , but remember, This is not a Who wins the race to 99 first Game , its about fun , challengeing , reaching goals, daily enjoyment. if i and most others were chosen to go grind all day long, we coulda just done what everyone else does , get a macro keyboard and or a program cuz thats how ppl xp nowadays, there should be some luv for working living people aswell, not only for programusers and HartzIV and unemployed ppl
once again this is just my opinion , if you want action and drama and qq to happen plz go to L2guru to see how ppl qq cuz their toons have been banned or how bad their programs work and they need better scripts ...
cya on the field
Greetings SweetDreamZ
The quest that gave lvl 95 armor was from Istina, a raid that can be entered @ 90. And therein lies the problem, people make assumptions without having played the content.
The game is ****** in that they raised the lvl cap way too much too quickly, but again that doesn't mean everyone botted all the way to where they are. A lot of people did/do, but the point is that even playing legit you could have reached 90.
They are 2 hour buffs but your concern still applies.
Wasn't it more logical and fair as well..... instead of the mentee to summon the mentor to be the other way around? I mean, press the summon button, but the mentee to get ported to the mentor.
Personally I find this silly... Even though I am a mentee and not a mentor...
Mentee: Hi, can you buff me?
Mentor: Sorry, I'm leveling.
Mentee: Okay, then I leave you and you get 7day penalty!
Mentor: Ok, I'm coming...
...
Think lots of people will start boxing mentees, they did nothing to fix the penalty and only made the system worse. I am kind of waiting for the 7th but I am kind of dissappointed a lot.
All people that botted their *** of to level 99 have received all the twilight armor from the quests and normal players will get some key mats. I hope it will give some very exclusive receipes like tw bp, but I fear for the worse and the bots will be even more rich as tw will get even more exclusive. It is sad that sometimes it seems NC soft cares only for the cheaters.
Wasn't it more logical and fair as well..... instead of the mentee to summon the mentor to be the other way around? I mean, press the summon button, but the mentee to get ported to the mentor.
Personally I find this silly... Even though I am a mentee and not a mentor...
if the mentee gets attacked by awakend farming crp during war you can summon your mentor. But ok too much, now mentors have to be bodyguards also for the spoiled brats
by the time you get to 95 (if you ever get there) to wear seraph you will have probably ten sets of armors to wear. do you see how fast immortal drop in harnak? that fast seraph drop in orbis, thats why is 2-3 times cheaper than twilight.
Will the one-time quests that have changed be reset? Like the Primal mother quest which now gives Istinia bracelet, will we be able to take that quest if we did it for seraph armor already?
The quest reward from defeating istina is now changed to the istina bracelet.
What if i already completed the quest before harmony update ?
then ill never be able to get the istina bracelet + the upgrade = +1con/+1men. which is awesome since its on a bracelet that dont normally give +stats.
exactly..and now looks like more figure it out..some may thinking this time ncwest may change the way they act..but not long later nothing change at all..same plan going all over this years and even when they end up with two server didn't get it still..i also can't blame them at 100% while there is not a community which actually make a voice to change or atleast to put the wrong in they heads..so we keep having a bad support and we can't really talk about it..it will get trolled in seconds..
so yea normal players will not have much to think and stay here..nothing that offers clean and stable gameplay in all the ways..so call this reply as u wan't..but note on that..as fast that private server players come..that fast they gonna leave when new priv will comes out with god update..
yes, I have never charged in the last 5 weeks for mentee slot, I have always told my playing schedule upfront, they agreed but once i was off 1h and they just dropped like little ********.
So with this downgrade I`m going to charge for every f slot 10kk and I will return the money when they finish if they don`t bother me for buffing every 2h.
Dear NCSFOT..... WHAT a hell u thinking by CHANGING 90+ QUESTS???
SACE answer me please WHY ? WHY ? WHY SO NERFING THOSE QUEST? u nerfed rewards ITEMS and **** XP!
Im QQ because im 13 days as 90 lvl and im waited for my clan members rise up to 90 and go to istina and other raids and NOW SIMPLY whit this downgrade patch u destroyed a POINT of this game
so ANGRY i spend 50+$ and now feeling ***** pointless game!
Dear NCSFOT..... WHAT a hell u thinking by CHANGING 90+ QUESTS???
SACE answer me please WHY ? WHY ? WHY SO NERFING THOSE QUEST? u nerfed rewards ITEMS and **** XP!
Im QQ because im 13 days as 90 lvl and im waited for my clan members rise up to 90 and go to istina and other raids and NOW SIMPLY whit this downgrade patch u destroyed a POINT of this game
so ANGRY i spend 50+$ and now feeling ***** pointless game!
Don't be silly, this change has been well known for long and it makes sense. Without people hunting top spots it is very hard for people to get Seraph armor. Now that some time has gone and people are successfully hunting many areas of the server things are coming to a balance where items are available on the market without overly generous quests.
The OP just went on about how only bots hit 90, so we're not talking about just casuals here. I understand some people have only a few hours a week to play, but the majority of players play way more than that. If you play this game 15-20 hours a week or more on average then it's not that hard to hit 90 even without botting.
SOA/Swamp Daily/Harnaks 3rd, etc. If you're a swamp warrior from 85-90 then yea it's going to take forever, but then you're also doing it wrong.
To you and everybody else saying same **** with different words I have some advice to give.
Get Real!
And because you don't get it I will explain myself.
You describe a situation where some player grinds non stop while he is online.
No TW
No Sieges
No chatting
No waiting for party members
No pvp
Generally no interaction with other players not even dying from mobs
Like a Bot (I am not saying you have to be a bot but your play style would be such)
Cool story bros :cool:...It is Possible...
Open your eyes and check the majority of players levels
PS. I don't care if Harmony is actually a downgrade...because I simply know nothing is going to change
Don't be silly, this change has been well known for long and it makes sense. Without people hunting top spots it is very hard for people to get Seraph armor. Now that some time has gone and people are successfully hunting many areas of the server things are coming to a balance where items are available on the market without overly generous quests.
The time too this update was too little. Again they promote unhealthy playing and / or program use. Because only like that you could have reached level 95+.
Why should a twilight armor be 1b adena and as such only possible for machines to obtain it. Teredor for example was a step in the right direction, you do some hard RBs and you get your stuff with quests. No programs needed no RMT needed. Lets see Wednesday, but I think this update is 2 steps back.
Finally how much time did the koreans get between updates? Probably much more than 3 months.
I assume that this is how it will work. I was speaking to the emo-raging that mentees will have when their mentors don't respond, as Tiferet1 wrote.
I don't know what the cooldown is going to be but it would suck to have the confirmation popping up all of the time.
With this summon feature I won't be Mentoring anyone on my Iss Enchanter - ever.
But it's nice since I'm keeping my Enchanter as a perma-mentee and it will be able to summon me anywhere :P
Right, might as well keep my "aura" turned off... It was pretty hard to get people to use them, but now they are useless..
They should also add more mobs to the areas instead of changing mob levels in them.
PI MOB levels increased it seems. Should keep all the level 76-78 nukers who don't belong there out of it. Lol.
Did they also increase the level to acquire the attack sailren quest?
If you're referring to the three new Mentor buffs, they say "the selected Mentee" in their descriptions, meaning the Mentor has to target the Mentee in order to cast the skill.
I'm never going to mentor a random with the Summon Skill and these buffs, becaue:
1. They will be griefing you for rebuff with the Summon skill every 2 hours and,
2. I don't get any mentor bonus when on a Sub, so there's literally no valid reason for me to follow any of them on my toon
Also,
3. You guys did not change the mentoring system to give the 7 day penalty to the toon that actually drops the other and not just the Mentor.
Does NCSoft even think about these things?
But hey, at least my perma-Mentee Iss Enchanter can summon me now. Awesome!!1
Mentor system needs to be changed to give the 200% XP bonus and buffs to Subclasses as well as the Mentee, if you seriously want mentors to actually be mentors and not just AFK vit/buff auras. Also the summon should be on the mentor, not the mentee.
I've already dropped all my non-boxed (i.e. my toons) mentees. They can think you :P
The players who have botted up and/or been in constant parties 24/7 have got 300m+ worth or armor for FREE. And now us normal players get to lvl90, the quests don't give anything like those rewards anymore, and its the same deal with the 95 armors... What the hell?
You've basically given anyone lvl 90 300m+ adena advantage over slower leveling characters, and anyone over lvl95 600m+ adena advantage over us slower players.
mentors on naia is either rich or stupid, id go with the latter
1 mentee can possibly produce ~10k coins for mentor. That is 6 60atr stones, or 60 atribute stones, which market value is ~100kk on Naia. So who is stupid paying 10-20kk or even 50kk to mentee, while saving 100kk on stones?
you dont understand how things works and why people are interested to pay money for mentee so that they would graduate faster
They want slaves who sit and grind again again in same SAME spots zones which is already boring to death.......................and DEcrese quest reward XP and so on and put some new quest whit reward of EWR EPIC WIN!
U wont get any donate from me thats for sure and from my clan like 50+ more ppl thats for sure too! GL
almost 7 years of gaming, and i never felt so calm... finaly... i realized how much i dont care about this game... and all these quests, and all these rewards, lol... but yet im thankful to NCsoft that they kept me away from streets, where gang members and drugs and abuse and alcohol are ))) good job SOFTcn
ATTENTION : THIS IS NOT A UPDATE ... ITS A DOWNGRADE.
Gratz to players who bot to 90Lvl and get the super rewards :), you can keep the server. /quit.
I will drop all my items on Giran at 20h gmt+0 show up. :) I have some cool items
You do not need to bot to get till 90 in 3 months since 1-86 is what now? 1-2 weeks of hardcore play? My const is more of a casual play stile than hardcore grind and still 5 of 7 ppl from my cp got 90/91(including me), in that time playing as cp 3-4 h a day(in Naia pvp clan, where on some days you rather loose %, than lvl up and we also had ~2 weeks breaks due to rl issues in the mean time). We used the few vitality items left from past events and some 1h runes at the time, they were available from player shops, some of us bought these 7 days runes for nc coin). Thanks to clan help, we were able to complete istina quest yesterday and made the spezion quest with some random group, however fortuna is out of range since our gear is not yet enough to complete whole dungeon - missing 1-2 weeks to element gear.
Harmony update was to expected sooner or later, since it's an update from last year. Nevertheless NCWest should inform the community earlier, then only few days before the actual launch
The players who have botted up and/or been in constant parties 24/7 have got 300m+ worth or armor for FREE. And now us normal players get to lvl90, the quests don't give anything like those rewards anymore, and its the same deal with the 95 armors... What the hell?
You've basically given anyone lvl 90 300m+ adena advantage over slower leveling characters, and anyone over lvl95 600m+ adena advantage over us slower players.
Again. What. The. Hell.
+1
Wish just one time these changes wouldn't favor the bots
So the bots get their armor/weapon by quest and we need to gather recipe/mats?
THAT WERE INCREASE BTW nice job NC, just nice job
dont think even a /facepalm comes closer to describe how disapointed at you I am
They want slaves who sit and grind again again in same SAME spots zones which is already boring to death.......................and DEcrese quest reward XP and so on and put some new quest whit reward of EWR EPIC WIN!
U wont get any donate from me thats for sure and from my clan like 50+ more ppl thats for sure too! GL
lol what? You are funny. Grind hit you in the face after you reached 85 and realised that 86 wont come soon? :confused:
Wish just one time these changes wouldn't favor the bots
So the bots get their armor/weapon by quest and we need to gather recipe/mats?
THAT WERE INCREASE BTW nice job NC, just nice job
dont think even a /facepalm comes closer to describe how disapointed at you I am
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
DONT YOU EVEN DARE COMMING UP WITH SOME STUPID EVENT THAT WILL GIVE THE ARMOR FOR THE CHANGED QUESTS AS REWARDS AND COSTS NCOINS TO PARTICIPATE
ps: sorry for the caps, but is this the point of the quest changes?
Wish just one time these changes wouldn't favor the bots
So the bots get their armor/weapon by quest and we need to gather recipe/mats?
THAT WERE INCREASE BTW nice job NC, just nice job
dont think even a /facepalm comes closer to describe how disapointed at you I am
look at the bright side :))))
as they say, they increased chance of getting blessed items after crafting, that means we will spend more time farming mats and ooh wait...darn it...bots will do it all again, and floud the whole market with blessed items...eheheh...
They want slaves who sit and grind again again in same SAME spots zones which is already boring to death.......................and DEcrese quest reward XP and so on and put some new quest whit reward of EWR EPIC WIN!
U wont get any donate from me thats for sure and from my clan like 50+ more ppl thats for sure too! GL
This is official. There is no donate. No one gives a wet slap about your 50+ clan.
Herb of Mysterious Magic Power: M. Atk. is increased by 400% for 1 minute and 30 seconds.
And you call this update......Harmony???????
Really???????
Come to your senses. Get out some to see the sun. Human body needs it you know...Makes good to BRAIN from time to time...
Amazing scenes once again guys. Really explain us please. Did you received countless letters from NUkers complainig that they can't level/farm fast enough???? ANd you decided to boost em a little...
Instead of screwing over all of us 89 and below, why don't you simply make the quest reward armor "Event" so it can't be traded? Then you won't be screwing us all out of 300m+.
Herb of Mysterious Magic Power: M. Atk. is increased by 400% for 1 minute and 30 seconds.
And you call this update......Harmony???????
Really???????
Come to your senses. Get out some to see the sun. Human body needs it you know...Makes good to BRAIN from time to time...
Amazing scenes once again guys. Really explain us please. Did you received countless letters from NUkers complainig that they can't level/farm fast enough???? ANd you decided to boost em a little...
lol didnt even read that one yet. Continuous QQ about 95+ mage skills works it seems. Now I am just cry from laughter. No amount of jewellery can protect you now :D :D everybody reroll mage. With harmony they mean Wizard Harmony
The players who have botted up and/or been in constant parties 24/7 have got 300m+ worth or armor for FREE. And now us normal players get to lvl90, the quests don't give anything like those rewards anymore, and its the same deal with the 95 armors... What the hell?
You've basically given anyone lvl 90 300m+ adena advantage over slower leveling characters, and anyone over lvl95 600m+ adena advantage over us slower players.
Again. What. The. Hell.
That's not quiet how it is.
First of all you don't need to bot or party 24/7 to get 90+ in 3 months but that is another discussion altogether.
The 300m (your estimate) for free is irrelevant in this scenario, the people who levels up fastest made billions (I think I landed at somewhere around 4b) by hunting areas that dropped twilight and apocalypse while they were still more expensive. So 300m won't cause any rift in the server economy.
What the quest did however was keep seraph prices down, basically causing those of us who are high level now to not be able to profit as much off of new hunting zones (that drop seraph). By the time those who are not yet 90 reach 95 seraph will be common and cheap, until then there will barely be a market for it.
This means that the temporary overly generous quest reward decreased the advantage of leveling fast. It took away many potential billions for those high level enough to farm Seraph and sell on the market at no cost to anyone else.
The 95+ full item rewards are irrelevant in either case since no one on the server has actually completed those.
First of all you don't need to bot or party 24/7 to get 90+ in 3 months but that is another discussion altogether.
The 300m (your estimate) for free is irrelevant in this scenario, the people who levels up fastest made billions (I think I landed at somewhere around 4b) by hunting areas that dropped twilight and apocalypse while they were still more expensive. So 300m won't cause any rift in the server economy.
What the quest did however was keep seraph prices down, basically causing those of us who are high level now to not be able to profit as much off of new hunting zones (that drop seraph). By the time those who are not yet 90 reach 95 seraph will be common and cheap, until then there will barely be a market for it.
This means that the temporary overly generous quest reward decreased the advantage of leveling fast. It took away many potential billions for those high level enough to farm Seraph and sell on the market at no cost to anyone else.
The 95+ full item rewards are irrelevant in either case since no one on the server has actually completed those.
The 300m estimate is not only something to be concidered as a rift in the server economy.
There are many of us who do not have much adena at all, and either have no option to BUY the armor that is now no longer given free in the quest, or cannot afford it because they also need a weapon too.
This amount of adena is an obscene amount of adena to be out of pocket for compared to the people who leveled faster. It simply does not make sence. If they had changed the quest reward to be "Event" items so they couldn't be resold thats one thing, but removing them altogether has left us 'slow levelers' seriously out of pocket in comparison to you other guys who had the advantage of free gear.
You do not need to bot to get till 90 in 3 months since 1-86 is what now? 1-2 weeks of hardcore play? My const is more of a casual play stile than hardcore grind and still 5 of 7 ppl from my cp got 90/91(including me), in that time playing as cp 3-4 h a day(in Naia pvp clan, where on some days you rather loose %, than lvl up and we also had ~2 weeks breaks due to rl issues in the mean time). We used the few vitality items left from past events and some 1h runes at the time, they were available from player shops, some of us bought these 7 days runes for nc coin). Thanks to clan help, we were able to complete istina quest yesterday and made the spezion quest with some random group, however fortuna is out of range since our gear is not yet enough to complete whole dungeon - missing 1-2 weeks to element gear.
Harmony update was to expected sooner or later, since it's an update from last year. Nevertheless NCWest should inform the community earlier, then only few days before the actual launch
NAIA -> you had mentor from the day you joined.
Shilen server dint have any mentors from the start, dont come here with you "pr0" replay if you dont know nothing. noone had mentor in the start of the server, dont forget the ALL server started in the Talking islan village (6000 players in TI). he took sometime to appear mentors in shilen, and don't forget about the runes of XP 100% / 200% that dint exist at the beginning and other stuff.
Only Bots had mentor first to bump clan members.
Only Bots get the Twilight rewards.
Only Bots get More XP
Only Bots get More Adena
Only Bots get castles with cheats
Only Bots get R95
Only Bots get Empty Spots to farm
The 300m estimate is not only something to be concidered as a rift in the server economy.
There are many of us who do not have much adena at all, and either have no option to BUY the armor that is now no longer given free in the quest, or cannot afford it because they also need a weapon too.
This amount of adena is an obscene amount of adena to be out of pocket for compared to the people who leveled faster. It simply does not make sence. If they had changed the quest reward to be "Event" items so they couldn't be resold thats one thing, but removing them altogether has left us 'slow levelers' seriously out of pocket in comparison to you other guys who had the advantage of free gear.
90-95 takes waaay longer than 85-90, so there is plenty of time to get Seraph. That you cannot afford it currently says next to nothing about what you will have at 95.
By allowing some people to get 2 free seraph pieces they kept the prices low from the start making them way more affordable for the future, kept a few fast levelers from getting extremely rich and maintain the nature of l2 where nothing is just handed to you for getting to a certain level. I will bet you anything you will have an easier time getting seraph in 6 months (90-95 will likely take at least twice as long as 85-90) than people have of finishing their sets now.
I think it was a weird move, but probably helped out the majority of the server in the long run. The people leveling fastest being the ones to lose the most.
Wasn't it more logical and fair as well..... instead of the mentee to summon the mentor to be the other way around? I mean, press the summon button, but the mentee to get ported to the mentor.
Personally I find this silly... Even though I am a mentee and not a mentor...
They have done their best to make mentors slaves to the whims of mentees. This just takes it a step further. If I ever make it to 86, I honestly can't think of a reason why I'd mentor someone I didn't know. Ever. It will probably just be my alts.
They have done their best to make mentors slaves to the whims of mentees. This just takes it a step further. If I ever make it to 86, I honestly can't think of a reason why I'd mentor someone I didn't know. Ever. It will probably just be my alts.
as i said before ))) all i have to do now for my Iss is macro sonatas ))) with /delay 480 and /delay 420 on two other sonatas :P with 2hr wizard harmony buff )) and 2 hr knights harmony pfff this game is got rid of 20 minute buffs :P
p.s. wont be surprised if after tauti or tutzi or w.e. that update called they will come out with new update like Fruity Goddess with 2hr buffs on all Iss' buffs
Im so disappointed.. at least they could give us one week to close our quest..
patch notes released the day before the launch.. you did it on purpose or..? no words..
The Spezion quests where exploited and the people got a temp ban (7 days), did they take all drops from them? Probably not, so that is really great because we will all get some worthless rewards.
At which point you log in your perma Red and welcome them to your KoS list ;)
Aeore Healers give basically 100% XP with the Awakened Rez (at least I've never noticed my % drop after getting an Aeore Rez). Don't think anyone cares about that. In fact now that I think about it I may sub my Iss Enchanter Bishop just so it can rez higher and I don't have to worry about using the Aeore).
Would be nice to be able to Salvation myself, too...
Really putting people on KOS is next to useless and accomplishes nothing these days. You probably lose more XP logging it on and looking for them than they do getting killed and getting a rez...
Im so disappointed.. at least they could give us one week to close our quest..
patch notes released the day before the launch.. you did it on purpose or..? no words..
Info is power , and since you knew harmony was coming , if you wanted to be prepared and take full advantage of the changes to come , you could just take 1-2 hours to browse a forum and be ready for it.
I did and knew about these changes full well a couple months now and warned everyone I cared about , for it.
not 90 + prolly wont see 90+ But this does annoy me, Even without playing the content or knowing how easy it is, In the end it STILL does boil down to.
Those ahead STAY ahead.
this is why PVP wont truly take off. People who are new and coming up cannot possibly compete without being slaughtered. This game is already 90% items 1% skill and 9% class weakness.
But I digress, I don't care enough, Just play till i hit a wall then go somewhere else.
Aeore Healers give basically 100% XP with the Awakened Rez (at least I've never noticed my % drop after getting an Aeore Rez). Don't think anyone cares about that. In fact now that I think about it I may sub my Iss Enchanter Bishop just so it can rez higher and I don't have to worry about using the Aeore).
Would be nice to be able to Salvation myself, too...
Really putting people on KOS is next to useless and accomplishes nothing these days. You probably lose more XP logging it on and looking for them than they do getting killed and getting a rez...
Oh it hasn't been about the xp loss for years now.....but it is funny to watch some of them cry. The ones that will drop a Mentor the first time he/she DC's tend to also be the ones that cry often when they take a dirt nap.
First of all you don't need to bot or party 24/7 to get 90+ in 3 months but that is another discussion altogether.
The 300m (your estimate) for free is irrelevant in this scenario, the people who levels up fastest made billions (I think I landed at somewhere around 4b) by hunting areas that dropped twilight and apocalypse while they were still more expensive. So 300m won't cause any rift in the server economy.
What the quest did however was keep seraph prices down, basically causing those of us who are high level now to not be able to profit as much off of new hunting zones (that drop seraph). By the time those who are not yet 90 reach 95 seraph will be common and cheap, until then there will barely be a market for it.
This means that the temporary overly generous quest reward decreased the advantage of leveling fast. It took away many potential billions for those high level enough to farm Seraph and sell on the market at no cost to anyone else.
The 95+ full item rewards are irrelevant in either case since no one on the server has actually completed those.
Oxymoron?
Oh it hasn't been about the xp loss for years now.....but it is funny to watch some of them cry. The ones that will drop a Mentor the first time he/she DC's tend to also be the ones that cry often when they take a dirt nap.
Most people don't cry. They laugh and trash talk. There's a difference between the two. They do it because you made them feel important. All it does is make you look like a crybaby, not them.
I mean, why are you doing it to begin with. Yep, cause you're mad they dropped you before dinging :P
I love your use of irony, though.
Nothing to cry about when you literally don't lose anything when you die these days...
by the time you get to 95 (if you ever get there) to wear seraph you will have probably ten sets of armors to wear. do you see how fast immortal drop in harnak? that fast seraph drop in orbis, thats why is 2-3 times cheaper than twilight.
Seraph is 2-3x cheaper than Twilight because it's R95 and there aren't enough 95s on the server for there to be a big market or demand for it. The problem is there are too many levels between 85 and 95. The grades make sense from an XP point of view, numerically; but they do not make sense from a Levels Point of view, generally.
Generally people would have expected R, R90 and R95 but putting the next grade at R95 with the quest to get them at 90 was too far for a lot of people who do not have very high playtimes. It's impossible to say how fast someone should be leveling, because playtimes and gameplay dynamics (how often they group and how accessible groups are to them, maybe they don't have a clan...) differ. Really, saying "you had 3 months tough luck" is pretty stupid.
What if they only started playing last month?
That's why.
Twilight sells for 2-3x as much because it's R grade meaning that every awakened character can upgrade up to it. The market for it is huge, demand is high, and thus prices are held high. Some people can't even envision themselves getting to 95 anytime in the near future, so Twilight is the epitome of gearing for them right now.
The same dynamic holds for other types of gear, like weapons. Weapons that two archetypes use (Duals and Mage weapons) tend to sell for more than weapons that only one Archetype use (Bows and Polearms) because there's a bigger market (and demand, as a result) for them.
I mean, why are you doing it to begin with. Yep, cause you're mad they dropped you before dinging :P
Now your reaching, trying to figure out why I do things in a game. Maybe I do it cause for me it's fun ;). I don't go around griefing ppl. I play the game for fun, if that means sometimes I want to login a perma red and have fun with it, that is what I do. I don't need to justify the reason, it's just a game. And games are ment to be fun ;)
Sure I am, if there had not been a period where a lot of people could get the Seraph armor from the quest then it would be highly overvalued at this point and the few people getting the items would be able to make billions selling them overpriced to less fortunate. Right now there is far more Seraph than there will be people hitting 95 in the next several months meaning no room for high levels to exploit the market. Seraph will be as readily available as immortal to anyone who hits 95.
Now your reaching, trying to figure out why I do things in a game. Maybe I do it cause for me it's fun ;). I don't go around griefing ppl. I play the game for fun, if that means sometimes I want to login a perma red and have fun with it, that is what I do. I don't need to justify the reason, it's just a game. And games are ment to be fun ;)
No. You said that is where they go on your Perma Red KOS list, cause they dropped you. Any sane person can infer that you're mad, otherwise you wouldn't do it :P
Sure I am, if there had not been a period where a lot of people could get the Seraph armor from the quest then it would be highly overvalued at this point and the few people getting the items would be able to make billions selling them overpriced to less fortunate. Right now there is far more Seraph than there will be people hitting 95 in the next several months meaning no room for high levels to exploit the market. Seraph will be as readily available as immortal to anyone who hits 95.
You're looking at this in a vacuum.
You're still a bit off in this post and your last post. The only reason why they're taking it away is cause now the price of Seraph will go down, after a bunch of people got it basically for free just based on their character levels...? The only reason why it was a cash machine is cause the quest is repeatable and you can rebuy the same items. That doesn't change the fact that those same characters didn't pay for those pieces while everyone else will have to (or craft it).
Sorry, does not compute...
The issue people have with this is not the amount of adena they WON'T be able to make off selling it. Once you understand this, you will understand why your argument makes little sense.
They're ****** that they have to risk failing a craft, or will be forced to buy something other players got basically for free just because they leveled faster. It's not simply an adena/price issue, although that is also a component of the problem since no one wants to level 90-95 in Immortal Gear/Requiem Weapon (seriously?).
No. You said that is where they go on your Perma Red KOS list, cause they dropped you. Any sane person can infer that you're mad, otherwise you wouldn't do it :P
Or I could be thinking....Oh boy time to have some fun on my red. :)
If I got mad at suff that happens in the game, I wouldn't be playing the game. It is just that simple.
Will the one-time quests that have changed be reset? Like the Primal mother quest which now gives Istinia bracelet, will we be able to take that quest if we did it for seraph armor already?
Question:
The quest reward from defeating istina is now changed to the istina bracelet.
What if i already completed the quest before harmony update ?
then ill never be able to get the istina bracelet + the upgrade = +1con/+1men. which is awesome since its on a bracelet that dont normally give +stats.
will people be able to take the quest again ?
Good question. There are no patch notes saying that the quest will be reset, but I'll ask QA and see if it can be done.
Sace,
Will the instancezone timers be reset during the maintenance? As opposed to only as defined by the server time settings.
There are no notes to suggest that this would happen, and instance zone timers are generally not reset during maintenance, as they are tied to server time instead. I'm asking QA though and if the answer is different I'll let you know. Just curious, why do you ask?
Sace any news for this ?
(In regards to the Gemstone notes on the Korean Powerwiki) Not yet, we're still looking into it. I'll post about it once I get a response.
There are no notes to suggest that this would happen, and instance zone timers are generally not reset during maintenance, as they are tied to server time instead. I'm asking QA though and if the answer is different I'll let you know. Just curious, why do you ask?
Because then we can do an extra Istina run on wednesday morning where we bring along unfortunate 90+ people who have not yet gotten their Seraph pieces without having to deviate from our regular raiding schedule (and having regulars miss out on a chance to raid).
...
(In regards to the Gemstone notes on the Korean Powerwiki) Not yet, we're still looking into it. I'll post about it once I get a response.
The best way to check this would be search out (or spawn) the Blacksmith of Mammon on your QA server, bring an R-Grade weapon which already has an SA and check how much the old man wants for the second SA. As Robert De Niro has pointed out in "Ronin", the map is not the territory and the patch notes are not the game :)
Since the information in the Powerwiki (http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EB%A0%88%EC%96%B4+%EC%A7%91%ED%98%BC) is not in patch notes but in a feature article about Rare Soul Crystals, I am fairly confident that the price reduction is now an integral part of the game and sooner or later we will get it on our servers too, be it tomorrow or in a few months. Of course, people who feel an urgent need for a second SA will get it right now, regardless of the cost. I am just trying to avoid unhappiness among the more casual players who will bite their own backside if they come to know in two months that they could have saved half of the cost if they had just waited a few weeks more :)
You're still a bit off in this post and your last post. The only reason why they're taking it away is cause now the price of Seraph will go down, after a bunch of people got it basically for free just based on their character levels...? The only reason why it was a cash machine is cause the quest is repeatable and you can rebuy the same items. That doesn't change the fact that those same characters didn't pay for those pieces while everyone else will have to (or craft it).
Sorry, does not compute...
The issue people have with this is not the amount of adena they WON'T be able to make off selling it. Once you understand this, you will understand why your argument makes little sense.
They're ****** that they have to risk failing a craft, or will be forced to buy something other players got basically for free just because they leveled faster. It's not simply an adena/price issue, although that is also a component of the problem since no one wants to level 90-95 in Immortal Gear/Requiem Weapon (seriously?).
My initial response was towards a person who was complaining just because it was unfair.
And you're the one looking at this in a vacuum. This isn't about satisfying every individual but the impact on the server as a whole. I am saying that people should not complain and rather be happy that the reward was even there in the first place as it has affected the r95 economy in a way that will benefit the majority of the people in the long run (certainly not the top level people). The reward was unreasonable to begin with and I'm surprised it ever made it to live servers. So enjoy cheap Seraph forever! Don't complain that it isn't spoon fed to you only because others had it easier, there will always be people who get things easier whether its luck, clan or server changes.
I'm afraid we cannot quality control the information that players post on fan sites. Such information is sometimes mis-translated from Korean, and is also taken from the Korean Powerwiki, which often shows information that differs from our own servers. Players may read what they like, of course, but we cannot vouch for patch notes other than the ones we post officially.
Sorry Sace, but clearly there were more translation mistakes from NCSoft in the previous patchnote since Freya update than there were on EllieBelly website, and now on Rochand forum. Don't blame every fansite for something which is not true ;)
Sorry Sace, but clearly there were more translation mistakes from NCSoft in the previous patchnote since Freya update than there were on EllieBelly website, and now on Rochand forum. Don't blame every fansite for something which is not true ;)
I'm am not blaming fan sites at all nor am I suggesting they are all wrong. Clearly they have more freedom in some aspects of patch note translation and speed of posting, but we simply cannot vouch for what is posted in non-official sources. I was asked if I could say that Tauti patch notes posted on a fan site are accurate, and I answered that I cannot guarantee it.
The rewards related to Wondrous Cubics have been changed. Please note that the R-Grade Enchant Scrolls cannot be obtained directly from the Wondrous Cubic, but are obtained by trading fragments.
New Rewards :
Cubic Fragment (R-Grade)
Shiny Cubic Fragment (R-Grade)
Blessed R-Grade Enchant Scrolls
Standard R-Grade Enchant Scrolls
Sace, I assume with 'Wondrous Cubic' you mean the '1-time use'-version as well...
Will just the rewards change as quoted or will already existing C/D-grade cube fragments, refined cubics and 1-time cubics be deleted with the maintenance? Will I be able to use them still after the downtime? Will I still be able to trade in remaining C/D-grade cube fragments for C/D-scrolls at the respective warehouse keepers or will the options for it be gone as well?
My initial response was towards a person who was complaining just because it was unfair.
And you're the one looking at this in a vacuum. This isn't about satisfying every individual but the impact on the server as a whole. I am saying that people should not complain and rather be happy that the reward was even there in the first place as it has affected the r95 economy in a way that will benefit the majority of the people in the long run (certainly not the top level people). The reward was unreasonable to begin with and I'm surprised it ever made it to live servers. So enjoy cheap Seraph forever! Don't complain that it isn't spoon fed to you only because others had it easier, there will always be people who get things easier whether its luck, clan or server changes.
No. I'm looking at it from his perspective. He isn't worrying about making money, he's worrying about the disparity in giving it away and then forcing others to risk failed crafts or buy it with adena.
I'm not complaining about this. I don't have any issues with gear.
The best way to check this would be search out (or spawn) the Blacksmith of Mammon on your QA server, bring an R-Grade weapon which already has an SA and check how much the old man wants for the second SA. As Robert De Niro has pointed out in "Ronin", the map is not the territory and the patch notes are not the game :)
Since the information in the Powerwiki (http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EB%A0%88%EC%96%B4+%EC%A7%91%ED%98%BC) is not in patch notes but in a feature article about Rare Soul Crystals, I am fairly confident that the price reduction is now an integral part of the game and sooner or later we will get it on our servers too, be it tomorrow or in a few months. Of course, people who feel an urgent need for a second SA will get it right now, regardless of the cost. I am just trying to avoid unhappiness among the more casual players who will bite their own backside if they come to know in two months that they could have saved half of the cost if they had just waited a few weeks more :)
We knew the Gemstone change wasn't involved in our current Harmony build, but I was mainly trying to find out when the cutoff of game changes occurred according to what we'll be getting in our Harmony update versus what is currently live in Korea. It's been confirmed that the Gemstone change was implemented on Korean servers after the cutoff of our Harmony update bundle, so as our patch notes show, we will indeed not be seeing this change when Harmony launches on our servers tomorrow. Likely, we will see it in the next game update, Tauti, but if that changes and we get it sooner, I'll let you know.
We knew the Gemstone change wasn't involved in our current Harmony build, but I was mainly trying to find out when the cutoff of game changes occurred according to what we'll be getting in our Harmony update versus what is currently live in Korea. It's been confirmed that the Gemstone change was implemented on Korean servers after the cutoff of our Harmony update bundle, so as our patch notes show, we will indeed not be seeing this change when Harmony launches on our servers tomorrow. Likely, we will see it in the next game update, Tauti, but if that changes and we get it sooner, I'll let you know.
Sace do you know the Tauti's release date?(If you know at least will it be next year,or this spring?,really i need it).
And will the System Requirements be changed?
Thanks...:)
Sace do you know the Tauti's release date?(If you know at least will it be next year,or this spring?,really i need it).
And will the System Requirements be changed?
Thanks...:)
We do not have a release date, and its preferred to not give estimates lest they have to be pushed back by unforeseeable circumstances. I can tell you that if all goes well we are currently targeting Summer 2012. We will be able to give more updates on time frames as we approach that point in time.
I cannot yet say if the system requirements will be changed for the Tauti update; that is something that is evaluated at a much later stage of the process.
If there are other questions about Tauti please post those in a different thread, as this one is dedicated to the Harmony update and its patch notes.
They have done their best to make mentors slaves to the whims of mentees. This just takes it a step further. If I ever make it to 86, I honestly can't think of a reason why I'd mentor someone I didn't know. Ever. It will probably just be my alts.
Annnnd that's what I am doing,mentoring my alts. I have a life and I work so it's not possible for me to be on 24/7 to please someone else. I tired randoms and explained my schedule and as soon as I log off they drop me and slap me with a 7 day penalty. Screw that might as well mentor my own toons and play them if I can't get a group on my awakened toons.
Surprisingly I am also not really that bent up about this "downgrade". I've been here since beta and I've seen things come and go,some good and some sucky. I guess my standards have been whatever seeing it's free to play now. I play a few times a week and I get what I get and don't cry over it. Most people don't have have 8 hours to sit and play or even manage to hold a party for that long. The average harnaks party will last one and half buffs rounds because you lost a tank/healer or the buffer and are trying to replace. That is another valid reason for slow xp gains. I figure the game is free now so I don't expect anything to be decent or mildly fair. Noobies have it so easy and this patch is making it even better for them. Awakened toons of coarse are getting the shaft. No shocker there kids!
But, just use a little common sense and a bit of patience. They don't know how long it will take. I don't know why that is hard to understand. Are you one of the people who waits at your keyboard furiously entering your password until the servers are back up?
But, just use a little common sense and a bit of patience. They don't know how long it will take. I don't know why that is hard to understand. Are you one of the people who waits at your keyboard furiously entering your password until the servers are back up?
From unofficial site, translated from korean prolly
"materials required to craft R grade has been increased. "
from NCsoft
"The amount of ingredients required for crafting R-grade items has been reduced."
So, whats right?
Crafting
The amount of ingredients required for crafting R-grade items has been increased. The likelihood of crafting higher quality R-grade items has increased.
We knew the Gemstone change wasn't involved in our current Harmony build, but I was mainly trying to find out when the cutoff of game changes occurred according to what we'll be getting in our Harmony update versus what is currently live in Korea. It's been confirmed that the Gemstone change was implemented on Korean servers after the cutoff of our Harmony update bundle, so as our patch notes show, we will indeed not be seeing this change when Harmony launches on our servers tomorrow. Likely, we will see it in the next game update, Tauti, but if that changes and we get it sooner, I'll let you know.
Since that patch to fix gemstone cost was just that, a patch , issued some weeks after Harmony , why you push it back to Tauti and not just patch our game here as well earlier than 'Summer 2012' ?
Since that patch to fix gemstone cost was just that, a patch , issued some weeks after Harmony , why you push it back to Tauti and not just patch our game here as well earlier than 'Summer 2012' ?
As explained, it's not guaranteed the Gemstone change will be pushed back until Tauti or not, and if I get more info about this question I will respond again. Best not assume until confirmed.
The Goddess of Destruction: Harmony update has been officially announced! On March 7, 2012, the latest game update will be installed onto the live game servers.
To you and everybody else saying same **** with different words I have some advice to give.
Get Real!
And because you don't get it I will explain myself.
You describe a situation where some player grinds non stop while he is online.
No TW
No Sieges
No chatting
No waiting for party members
No pvp
Generally no interaction with other players not even dying from mobs
Like a Bot (I am not saying you have to be a bot but your play style would be such)
Cool story bros :cool:...It is Possible...
Open your eyes and check the majority of players levels
PS. I don't care if Harmony is actually a downgrade...because I simply know nothing is going to change
I know the game very well, been playing it for a long time. My other toon was 92 when I stopped leveling it a month and a half ago, and while I grinded plenty I also did Oly every weekend, attended sieges, raids, etc. I just finished a reroll. Essentially, in 11/2-2 weeks of playing I went from lvl 1 to 85/80/80/80, but I also remember when it took me a month to go from 79-80 in FOG, so you go get real superstar.
Having just done that reroll I partied with enough randoms in kama or watched ppl in xp spots to know that most of you are really bad or have no clue what you're doing, but yet so many of you will come on here and QQ because someone else had the good sense to find decent friends/clan to xp with instead of playing swamp warrior all the way to 90. Or you never want to spend a dime on runes but figure you should level as fast as everyone that constantly buys them. It's fine to be a casual, it's fine to want to play totally free, but don't come on here crying your eyes out because you're not profiting the same as ppl that play hardcore.
All this QQ because you guys wanted to sell the R95 gear and make some money, well news flash to you... if everyone on the server has it to sell then it's pretty much worthless.
blah blah blah im a "top" player thats benefited from botters and cheaters for years, and of course i got my free seraph but you peons should be greatful you no longer have the burden of getting free r95 pieces and instead cheer ncsoft for their brave decision to guarantee that me and my clan have all seraph top and pant parts on lock down in orbis for the rest of the game until we decide to cash out and sell all our adena again
Cool story bro. btw, Does evagrantsgrade still?
As explained, it's not guaranteed the Gemstone change will be pushed back until Tauti or not, and if I get more info about this question I will respond again. Best not assume until confirmed.
I think it's pathetic how you guys arent even committed to giving us the mandatory bugfixes that the koreans get and instead decide to just lump it all into the "next" update, no matter how many months or years that may be. Are we heading into lineage 1 territory now?
We knew the Gemstone change wasn't involved in our current Harmony build, but I was mainly trying to find out when the cutoff of game changes occurred according to what we'll be getting in our Harmony update versus what is currently live in Korea. It's been confirmed that the Gemstone change was implemented on Korean servers after the cutoff of our Harmony update bundle, so as our patch notes show, we will indeed not be seeing this change when Harmony launches on our servers tomorrow. Likely, we will see it in the next game update, Tauti, but if that changes and we get it sooner, I'll let you know.
Sace, caring about gemstones it's really cool but... what about changes in Othell Rouge class skills after Harmony update, which was in Korean hotfix?
This changes is really matter for pvp-balance to this class
This will be very funny to see if NCWest up only lolfixes with Harmony update and didn't get main pathces from Korea, which was between Harmony and Tauti...
Shilen server dint have any mentors from the start, dont come here with you "pr0" replay if you dont know nothing. noone had mentor in the start of the server, dont forget the ALL server started in the Talking islan village (6000 players in TI). he took sometime to appear mentors in shilen, and don't forget about the runes of XP 100% / 200% that dint exist at the beginning and other stuff.
Only Bots had mentor first to bump clan members.
Only Bots get the Twilight rewards.
Only Bots get More XP
Only Bots get More Adena
Only Bots get castles with cheats
Only Bots get R95
Only Bots get Empty Spots to farm
First of all, i didn't had mentor, i was 86 & 3 subs, when goddes launched, however, i've mentored couple of people from subclans to 1-86 in approx 2 weeks/each.
Second, lvling is stil much faster in GoD, than it was before, it's a fact, however, if you're a solo player boxing buffer and do not group/pvp for party spots, it takes ages
Third, noone give a crap about, what server you've started - it was your decision to join a fresh server without economy, mentor, etc - you've should have know, it won't be easy, still, it was your decision - accept the consequences and stop QQ
Finally, i obviously know at least a bit, since my group got till 90 with a very little effort only. We would be 95 by now, if we'd hardcore grind 12+ hours a day, skipping jobs and family.
You failed at the race to the best content this time? You're now trully free 2 pay 2 win the race for power. I'll pass
First of all, i didn't had mentor, i was 86 & 3 subs, when goddes launched, however, i've mentored couple of people from subclans to 1-86 in approx 2 weeks/each.
I was Level 1, without mentor.
I wish I could call you ******, and ******* in this forum, but I cant. So just read what you wrote and think about it 3 / 4 times Before posting again.
Second, lvling is stil much faster in GoD, than it was before, it's a fact, however, if you're a solo player boxing buffer and do not group/pvp for party spots, it takes ages
Again I cant call you names and say that you still need to go school and learn to read, But I cant. so I will write in "CAPS" and in BOLD so maybe you understand.
NEW SERVER, MENTOR DON'T EXIST, YOU START WITH 6000 PPL IN THE SAME SPOT, EVERYONE LEGIT TAKE ALOT OF TIME TO LEVEL. EXCEPT 24/7 BOTS THAT PASSED BY EVERYONE AND FOUND EMPTY STOPS TO LEVEL, WHILE EVERYONE WAS LEVEL 5X THERE WAS ALREADY TRAINS OF BOTS IN HOTSPRINGS(have screenshot) AND THEY ARE STILL ON THE SERVER WITH R95 EQUIP. AND JUST BECAUSE I PLAY LEGIT I CANT EVEN GET THE TWILIGHT NOW.
Third, noone give a crap about, what server you've started - it was your decision to join a fresh server without economy, mentor, etc - you've should have know, it won't be easy, still, it was your decision - accept the consequences and stop QQ
Dude, try to think a bit its not hard, what I post as nothing to do with the fresh server start, its about ppl that botted to Lvl 90+ gets the amazing rewards while legit players dont. sorry but I dont accept this consequences.
Finally, i obviously know at least a bit, since my group got till 90 with a very little effort only. We would be 95 by now, if we'd hardcore grind 12+ hours a day, skipping jobs and family.
You failed at the race to the best content this time? You're now trully free 2 pay 2 win the race for power. I'll pass
You start at 86 ... ... man ... Im going to Quote my last post so you can read it again, Ok ? but read this time, ok? ...
NAIA -> you had mentor from the day you joined.
Shilen server dint have any mentors from the start, dont come here with you "pr0" replay if you dont know nothing. noone had mentor in the start of the server, dont forget the ALL server started in the Talking islan village (6000 players in TI). he took sometime to appear mentors in shilen, and don't forget about the runes of XP 100% / 200% that dint exist at the beginning and other stuff.
Only Bots had mentor first to bump clan members.
Only Bots get the Twilight rewards.
Only Bots get More XP
Only Bots get More Adena
Only Bots get castles with cheats
Only Bots get R95
Only Bots get Empty Spots to farm
Anyone who started on the new server hoping it would be different than the last server they opened is unintelligent. It was the same way there. Botters botted up to 81+ the minute the server opened and it was a two sided server by default. It always happens. Stop crying about that. No one cares becuase by now it's just a fact of like. Game is like 7 years old and it's always been like that. ALWAYS.
Wow, you're really an angry little dude;) If you can't handle the game as it is: a)stop wasting time crying on the boards, quit the game and move on to other games or rl activities or b)accept the current situation and continue playing with your friends, stop wasting time crying on the boards
Don't even come up with those i play legit and can't level or get gear and the bots do. The legits, that invested time in playing and/or were smart, got their rewards from 90+ quests, those who didn't had so much time to dedicate to the game or had no clue, how to play the game, haven't got any. If the only way for you to make money/get gear is to complete mentioned quests, you've failed at the game and should chose another one; if your problem are bots/cheaters and you really have to QQ, go to the bot thread and/or make a perma red and hunt them down.
Anyone who started on the new server hoping it would be different than the last server they opened is unintelligent. It was the same way there. Botters botted up to 81+ the minute the server opened and it was a two sided server by default. It always happens. Stop crying about that. No one cares becuase by now it's just a fact of like. Game is like 7 years old and it's always been like that. ALWAYS.
It's fact and I'm dealing with it, but make a downgrade on the High level quest hurting even more who plays legit its something that worth to be posted on forum, so everyone see the great work NCsoft do.
Posting facts acknowledging the problem and just saying deal with it because its been like this since the start, letting the unlegit get way without protest that is in fact the most "unintelligent" to do, and maybe thats why its been like this for 7 years.
@siulx
Wow, you're really an angry little dude;) If you can't handle the game as it is: a)stop wasting time crying on the boards, quit the game and move on to other games or rl activities or b)accept the current situation and continue playing with your friends, stop wasting time crying on the boards
Don't even come up with those i play legit and can't level or get gear and the bots do. The legits, that invested time in playing and/or were smart, got their rewards from 90+ quests, those who didn't had so much time to dedicate to the game or had no clue, how to play the game, haven't got any. If the only way for you to make money/get gear is to complete mentioned quests, you've failed at the game and should chose another one; if your problem are bots/cheaters and you really have to QQ, go to the bot thread and/or make a perma red and hunt them down.
GL in whatever you choose;)
The time I spend on the board its is not none of your business. the rest is a typical speach of a boter / no-lifer / someone who are not affected by update.
i love when people talk about how L2 is original lol FFXI is older than L2 and is in way better shape L2 is comparable to various F2P games that mock the MMO Scene. Dont be proud of a games that has been broken for as long as you say look forward to the changes and protest against ignorance of people who trying to talk down those who know something is wrong and voice their opinions
Wow, you're really an angry little dude;) If you can't handle the game as it is: a)stop wasting time crying on the boards, quit the game and move on to other games or rl activities or b)accept the current situation and continue playing with your friends, stop wasting time crying on the boards
Don't even come up with those i play legit and can't level or get gear and the bots do. The legits, that invested time in playing and/or were smart, got their rewards from 90+ quests, those who didn't had so much time to dedicate to the game or had no clue, how to play the game, haven't got any. If the only way for you to make money/get gear is to complete mentioned quests, you've failed at the game and should chose another one; if your problem are bots/cheaters and you really have to QQ, go to the bot thread and/or make a perma red and hunt them down.
GL in whatever you choose;)
i play solo, i m 89 with STANDARD+BLESSED TWILIGHT SET PLUS FULL APOC BOW.
i lvup 3 alts to 86, just to check some stuff, and lost some time on market and i m a regular dude, that farm less than 2 hour at day, and i can tell u, some guyz here on the ncwsest server dont play fair, dont get ban, and still get advantage with this. now that i m reaching 90 i cant even see the stuff that these guyz already had/have/sold. WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS, AND WE ARE JUST TELLING U,
It's fact and I'm dealing with it, but make a downgrade on the High level quest hurting even more who plays legit its something that worth to be posted on forum, so everyone see the great work NCsoft do.
Posting facts acknowledging the problem and just saying deal with it because its been like this since the start, letting the unlegit get way without protest that is in fact the most "unintelligent" to do, and maybe thats why its been like this for 7 years.
No some of us have been here for 6 years adn have been begging them to fix the issues ever since we started playing, and literally nothing of mentioning was done. When will you simply try to enjoy what you have instead of crying about what you don't like about it. It's not somethign they can fix. The game is fundamentally broken by design and facilitates (even encourages) botting.
It's never going to stop, ever. So stop crying about it. The only thing you can do is accept it and learn how to best work around it, and deal with it.
No some of us have been here for 6 years adn have been begging them to fix the issues ever since we started playing, and literally nothing of mentioning was done. When will you simply try to enjoy what you have instead of crying about what you don't like about it. It's not somethign they can fix. The game is fundamentally broken by design and facilitates (even encourages) botting.
It's never going to stop, ever. So stop crying about it. The only thing you can do is accept it and learn how to best work around it, and deal with it.
people like you make me sad, just because its normal that legits get screwed dosent mean we need to accept and shutup without protest.
Im protesting even if they dont do nothing about it.
It will be record on forum.
They will have to read it, and maybe with luck they report. and avoid future downgrades like this ones.
anyway, swallow and shut-up its not my style.
so if you dont have nothing to add beside "This is totaly normal and Im playing here for XXX years, and I like to be screwed by updates, because its normal" dont replay.
No some of us have been here for 6 years adn have been begging them to fix the issues ever since we started playing, and literally nothing of mentioning was done. When will you simply try to enjoy what you have instead of crying about what you don't like about it. It's not somethign they can fix. The game is fundamentally broken by design and facilitates (even encourages) botting.
It's never going to stop, ever. So stop crying about it. The only thing you can do is accept it and learn how to best work around it, and deal with it.
You've never played L2 Offi, right? You sound like to pirate l2 server player.
If you had been here for 4 ~ 6 years would you know that your words were a total crap.
The only way to change and improve is with the criticism, for that there are forums, polls,etc.
If a company of VIDEO GAMES pays no attention to their players .... Goes bankrupt.If players do not criticize .. we're screwed.
Will this version work with Windows 8? To be more specific, are you pushing out an update to GG with this maintenance that will support Windows 8?
We have not yet tested the game client with Windows 8, but I expect we will once it becomes more maintstream. I do not know of any GameGuard updates included with this game update.
Sace, caring about gemstones it's really cool but... what about changes in Othell Rouge class skills after Harmony update, which was in Korean hotfix?
This changes is really matter for pvp-balance to this class
This will be very funny to see if NCWest up only lolfixes with Harmony update and didn't get main pathces from Korea, which was between Harmony and Tauti...
I read somewhere, the harmony update fix feoh wizard matk issue, is that true?
I don't see any notes about changes to these classes. Changes that are made on the Korean servers are eventually made on ours, but as you know they are often installed later due to localization and testing. I'm not sure when we'll get the patches for the above mentioned topics, but once we have news about that we will share it.
We have not yet tested the game client with Windows 8, but I expect we will once it becomes more maintstream. I do not know of any GameGuard updates included with this game update.
Then find out. You lost customers the last time this happened. I remember back in c5, gameguard was "updated" and made incompatible with 64x operating systems. Ncsoft initially faked ignorance about that matter, and then promptly hid behind the excuse that they "didnt support 64x operating systems" and that wasn't fixed until interlude. To be clear, lineage ran perfectly fine with 64x until that specific update. This was a loss that could have been avoided. Are you going to intentionally repeat that same mistake?
We knew the Gemstone change wasn't involved in our current Harmony build, but I was mainly trying to find out when the cutoff of game changes occurred according to what we'll be getting in our Harmony update versus what is currently live in Korea. It's been confirmed that the Gemstone change was implemented on Korean servers after the cutoff of our Harmony update bundle, so as our patch notes show, we will indeed not be seeing this change when Harmony launches on our servers tomorrow. Likely, we will see it in the next game update, Tauti, but if that changes and we get it sooner, I'll let you know.
Thanks a lot for taking the trouble to find out! This seems to indicate that we got the same version as NCTaiwan a few weeks ago. And that implies that a certain method to use Kartia's Labyrinth discovered by UnifiedFieldTheory might work on our servers too. I have already PMed Cryo and he said that he would look into it, but I haven't heard from him since. Our people at Rochand are wondering whether this method is based on a deliberate design intended to let people easily level up, or whether NCWest will consider this as a bannable exploit. An official clarification would be appreciated :)
I just want to ask a Big Question about the changes to skills section:
Judicator’s can now acquire the Soul Instinct skill at level 83 when being played as a Dual Class.
Soul Instinct: P. Atk., M. Atk., P. Crit. Rate., and M. Crit. Rate are greatly increased for a certain period of time through the awakening of party members’ abilities.
I have a Judicator lv 85 awakened to ISS. If this skill is lost after awakening :(:(, what's the point of adding it to this class? :confused::confused:
I have a Judicator lv 85 awakened to ISS. If this skill is lost after awakening, what's the point of adding it to this class?
Other players could not have a Judicator sub yet :rolleyes:
What's this thing about the new crafts? Is Ncsoft specifically sending normal players to the end of the hole and letting them quit the game?
So it means the huge clans that are already full twi will have an huge gap beteween the ones that are trying to go up. Im gathering mats since the server opened and i dont even have 169 ertel to even try to craft 1 ****** Tunic. What's the point of this?
From 7 Ertel to 169. WTF IS THIS?? Sace can you explain what the hell is this?
Then find out. You lost customers the last time this happened. I remember back in c5, gameguard was "updated" and made incompatible with 64x operating systems. Ncsoft initially faked ignorance about that matter, and then promptly hid behind the excuse that they "didnt support 64x operating systems" and that wasn't fixed until interlude. To be clear, lineage ran perfectly fine with 64x until that specific update. This was a loss that could have been avoided. Are you going to intentionally repeat that same mistake?
Why should it be Sace's fault? Ask Koreans devs instead.
I'm not saying its Sace's fault. I just believe they havent even seen that crap. No spoil, stupid drop. You probably must belong to one of the big clans to even talk like that...
Go check one craft of armor or weapon and then come here and talk.
And im not gonna ask the Koreans cause this aint korea dude
I'm not saying its Sace's fault. I just believe they havent even seen that crap. No spoil, stupid drop. You probably must belong to one of the big clans to even talk like that...
Go check one craft of armor or weapon and then come here and talk.
And im not gonna ask the Koreans cause this aint korea dude
First of all, I'm the leader of a small clan. So get the talk about the big clans outta the picture, please.
Secondly, it's Korea that develops this game and makes the changes, NCWest can't do a thing, so ask Koreans devs about why they have increased the mats needed instead of crying here. :)
BTW, I don't even plan to craft since we can't afford some of the mats, and now with the increase in the amount I think we'll rely purely on luck.
Seraph is 2-3x cheaper than Twilight because it's R95 and there aren't enough 95s on the server for there to be a big market or demand for it. The problem is there are too many levels between 85 and 95. The grades make sense from an XP point of view, numerically; but they do not make sense from a Levels Point of view, generally.
Generally people would have expected R, R90 and R95 but putting the next grade at R95 with the quest to get them at 90 was too far for a lot of people who do not have very high playtimes. It's impossible to say how fast someone should be leveling, because playtimes and gameplay dynamics (how often they group and how accessible groups are to them, maybe they don't have a clan...) differ. Really, saying "you had 3 months tough luck" is pretty stupid.
What if they only started playing last month?
That's why.
Twilight sells for 2-3x as much because it's R grade meaning that every awakened character can upgrade up to it. The market for it is huge, demand is high, and thus prices are held high. Some people can't even envision themselves getting to 95 anytime in the near future, so Twilight is the epitome of gearing for them right now.
The same dynamic holds for other types of gear, like weapons. Weapons that two archetypes use (Duals and Mage weapons) tend to sell for more than weapons that only one Archetype use (Bows and Polearms) because there's a bigger market (and demand, as a result) for them.
yes, your point is valid too but like i said, everyone that got to 95 already had armor set and weapon r95 and spare parts to sell, it just drop. i dont thik anyone ever crafted seraph because you need new types of molds, the one you get by crushing r95, not the ones from r grade. now as you can see, with this new update, every recipe and parts and mold is available to everyone to craft twilight. i get my important part of twilight as drop in duo, rest are very cheap, almost anyone can afford it imo
I think they just want us to to quit so the devs can shutdown l2 and move on to next project...this is ultrageous...they nerfed all auras making tyrs even less wanted, made it so who was on top could get the best items..and now that i was hoping for a price drop..i think it's gonna increase again since it's even harder to obtain..much harder...i hate koreans right now. ******ed logic is awfully ******ed.
This small patch rly screwed up a lot. I just want tauti to get the darned elemental atribute onall my skills so there's a reason to get invited since now my aura is weaker and even less of a chance to get party from those lil noobs. And i want a darning miracle for game optimization..this low FPS is such a mood killer.
You've never played L2 Offi, right? You sound like to pirate l2 server player.
If you had been here for 4 ~ 6 years would you know that your words were a total crap.
The only way to change and improve is with the criticism, for that there are forums, polls,etc.
If a company of VIDEO GAMES pays no attention to their players .... Goes bankrupt.If players do not criticize .. we're screwed.
Umm... I've never played on a PServer. Obviously you are new here...
Secondly, we have gone from around 15 servers down to 4. Ask yourself why the game is F2P right now?
The same reasons you listed (plus others). Most of the players who played this game are now gone because they got tired of crying about the same thing for years. Good luck picking up that baton, though...
Get over it. Nothing is going to change and hijacking threads to cry about it won't change that...
I don't understand about the new Mentor's buffs with this update. Who in their right mind would interrupt and summon the mentor just so he can get buffs ?
We cannot get full gear from istina nor daily 90 anymore, and it's increased so much? I knew this game wasn't for casuals but this is nuts.:confused:
So those who botted their way up and went unpunished got the best, we legits, get stuck with crap, again. Very nice.
And im like oO because 90% of the server haven't even noticed that and as a player that is way less motivated to grind in this madness, I want to know what the admins/gms /wtv have to say.
We're not koreans....
What's the point in making changes on some of their stuff to make it work on this server and take other insane things from there have it here.
I think they just want us to to quit so the devs can shutdown l2 and move on to next project...this is ultrageous...they nerfed all auras making tyrs even less wanted, made it so who was on top could get the best items..and now that i was hoping for a price drop..i think it's gonna increase again since it's even harder to obtain..much harder...i hate koreans right now. ******ed logic is awfully ******ed.
It's hardcore grinding...to keep customers (botters in western servers) :rolleyes:
And im like oO because 90% of the server haven't even noticed that and as a player that is way less motivated to grind in this madness, I want to know what the admins/gms /wtv have to say.
We're not koreans....
What's the point in making changes on some of their stuff to make it work on this server and take other insane things from there have it here.
This is simply understandable...
The thot of getting full items from 90s quests was what kept me going, now im ****** hard and lost interest. I know i'm gonna reach 90 with low gear and all those "pr0s" will have blessed eternal coz they can raid better since they are sitting on billions of adena from all the adena they made from selling gear from istina and dailies while we lows are stuck with this god**** ****!
And on top of it the game is god**** cramped and gloomy.
Koreans players are really this dumb and accept being treated like this? Lost all respect for you koreans. You accept boring quests and this kind of crap. Games are suposed to feel rewarding but we have just hit a new low!
so, im actually the only one who likes the new update?
btw, warrior isnt invited for his force, it is invited for his aoe stun and quite good aoe damage if played right, you cant pull ten or more groups of bista without having a good warrior besides good tank and healer
so, im actually the only one who likes the new update?
btw, warrior isnt invited for his force, it is invited for his aoe stun and quite good aoe damage if played right.
Tell that to the 70% of parties who prefer a bad played FEOH to a good played TYRR, will you? Convince them of that. And let's not kid around, pushing 5 buttons in sucession is not hard to be performed. I dunno how tyr wars manage to not play right, the class is simple when you absorb the basicness of each skill. Using jump skill from train to train is child's play.
i dont know how people can play bad feoh since you basically know what are your aoe skills, mage is easy to play, you dont even have to assist or anything since you aoe all. maybe bad in gear, no element, crap resists, no use of short buffs on cooldown but.... archers are even worse in dmage with similar crap gear. on chronos people invite good warriors in party and they ask for war when forming, especially at 90+ but there are too few with decent gear and knowledge of the class, like 90% of the warrior population are fail tyrr warriors
people played bad tyrants/glad/whatever in the past but few has the knowledge off all skills, totems from tyrant, detect weakness from warlord/glad and so on. usually take some skills to change weapon and self buff when needed
I don't understand about the new Mentor's buffs with this update. Who in their right mind would interrupt and summon the mentor just so he can get buffs ?
Never underestimate the entitlement mentality of mentees.
Dunno about 90+, i only know about 85-89, players have this bad image formed in their heads about tyrs.. I mean bad in general, run to mobs, atk before tank agros, bad gear and if party in danger, doesn't do anything useful.
I know tyr force has nothing to do with it but seriously 1%? Of crit rate?
I don't see any notes about changes to these classes. Changes that are made on the Korean servers are eventually made on ours, but as you know they are often installed later due to localization and testing. I'm not sure when we'll get the patches for the above mentioned topics, but once we have news about that we will share it.
so, im actually the only one who likes the new update?
btw, warrior isnt invited for his force, it is invited for his aoe stun and quite good aoe damage if played right, you cant pull ten or more groups of bista without having a good warrior besides good tank and healer
You enjoy having rewards reduced across the board for every single quest and turn in at 85+, and rewards reduced for campaigns? You enjoy every single awakened class losing stats on their toggles for no apparent reason, only to gain them back if they take a certain party? What exactly are you enjoying? The inquisitor skill at 83 that they lose when they awaken? /socialapplause on fantasy island?
I don't see a single positive change for anyone 85+ in harmony. The addition of the solo/group instances provide a minor distraction at best. The rewards are basically elemental stones that fail even more than usual with a .00001% chance for something of slight value and the exp is subpar to anything a competent group could achieve pre-harmony. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact.
Not for nothing, but wtf. It's cool that you fixed the whole rhythm/harmony stacking issue, but are you really going to tell me that you didn't know about this on 1/31 when I petitioned and was told there were no plans for a service or fix? I was even told, oh sorry you can't move bday pots to a new toon, etc. I reroll and a month and change later you release this. You guys were sitting on this info and didn't tell anyone, even when they asked.
Great new update... but wait, I can't make the stupid update, because for some reason 200mb turned in to i don't know how many gb to install and my hardrive is full... but worse than that is that it doesn't finish the install, so... I would like to know, whay i can't find any indications on the release note talking about the details of the download...
Seriously, couldn't you have done a better job optimizing the install? :confused:
2 Rythm Start Dark and Magic Dark now can't be use along with Kinght Harmony or Warrior Harmony (I don't see in skill changes note). So no more mdef for Fighter, no hope for fighter.
Nice patch, but let me qq for the crafting changes!!!!!
i was only needed the adena that people were asking to click on craft on the set, and now all materials required are doubled or even more!!! and i read the forum, and see in some posts that this and that happens to korea, and that ncwest is not ready to adoubt, or will do in the future after checking and 'westernize'. So this makes me wonder..... why you only doubt test and westernize the things that make a legit players life harder? plz tell me something!! are you going to triple the price of R95 armor sold by olympiad manager when top clans are all geared up with r95 or even with r99? since you increase demand on items, why dont you also increase drop rate? has a gm ever checked how long it takes to collect the mats required for twillight craft? would that be 85-90 farm ?or even more? troll troll trolll
Normaly i say nothing because changes are for the good even if others do not see them. please pass this on. the addtion of penaly/tax for the auction should have been removed NOT added to to encourage players to use it and not sit in town freeing up player slots so please pass that on hopefully the penalty can be removed all together and all will sell using the auction instead of all sittin in town taking up player slots.
You enjoy having rewards reduced across the board for every single quest and turn in at 85+, and rewards reduced for campaigns? You enjoy every single awakened class losing stats on their toggles for no apparent reason, only to gain them back if they take a certain party? What exactly are you enjoying? The inquisitor skill at 83 that they lose when they awaken? /socialapplause on fantasy island?
I don't see a single positive change for anyone 85+ in harmony. The addition of the solo/group instances provide a minor distraction at best. The rewards are basically elemental stones that fail even more than usual with a .00001% chance for something of slight value and the exp is subpar to anything a competent group could achieve pre-harmony. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact.
What 85+ quest have reduced rewards, maybe you want to say 90+? People only complained about 90+ quests than never did them. Biggest complain was the seraph armor parts, one time quest, by the time they get 95 they will have plenty of seraph armor parts from drops to get them blessed and in that time, everyone that is much higher in lvl already do octavis and what other bosses are there that drop blesses items. Now it will give istina bracelet, you can refine it and get +1CON +1MEN, ill take that too. Then it was one time quest that gives a twlight helmet/circlet. Then another quests for pants that you can get them in less than a week, now give lots of materials. Most players were selling those from drops, before getting them from a quest that seems more rewarding now. Istina/pezion/Fortuna/GoG, lots of items drop there, those quests were not that rewarding in the long run.
As a mage I still get that 50% mp regen (if I ever noticed the regen), some summoner force that is still ok if I go party with one but not on my daily basis. Those toggles were not much used by the majority and when used, your own class didnt get their own toggle, now its crap too alone o but its nice that they changed so you can have a variety of classes with you if you want strong forces, not 4 daggers in a party or some crap like that and other classes complaining that they dont get party.
So, a kamael subclass losing a skill when awakened. Its not like the only class that lose something when awakened. What if I want back that shilien templar 83 skill so i can solo soa? That kamael race was strong/weak and then strong/weak again in all these updates, doesnt seem they will find a balance but as main kamael class i think they are strong enough.
This new instance is very good imo, you get 2 stones that can be added only to bound equipment (majority of players have bound gear). Tried 4 stones, 1 failed 3 succeeded, doesnt seem bad. The most rewarding was that 480mil xp, that is a lot of xp for a solo instance. I also like the new auction hall tax, campaign is very often even if the rewards sucked from the beginning of god, i do that for free talisman, crafting now is more expensive in raw material, the recipes/molds you get from quest an parts from drops, but craft gives lots of standard items and slim chance for blesses. Dances/Songs doesnt seem to stack with harmony anymore, for me I say is good change. Lots of other minor changes and like I said, I like this new update.
Nice patch, but let me qq for the crafting changes!!!!!
i was only needed the adena that people were asking to click on craft on the set, and now all materials required are doubled or even more!!! and i read the forum, and see in some posts that this and that happens to korea, and that ncwest is not ready to adoubt, or will do in the future after checking and 'westernize'. So this makes me wonder..... why you only doubt test and westernize the things that make a legit players life harder? plz tell me something!! are you going to triple the price of R95 armor sold by olympiad manager when top clans are all geared up with r95 or even with r99? since you increase demand on items, why dont you also increase drop rate? has a gm ever checked how long it takes to collect the mats required for twillight craft? would that be 85-90 farm ?or even more? troll troll trolll
Everything is back to the bot stimulated machine work crafting system before god, that is a disappointment. I truly thought they westernised the game a bit with little easier collection system. I should have known better :) things are only changed if Koreans want it changed.
Anyway, they will remove all armor rewards from oly also (somewhere in June), so get your armor now if you can. At least that is what everyone is saying about the korean latest update.
Normaly i say nothing because changes are for the good even if others do not see them. please pass this on. the addtion of penaly/tax for the auction should have been removed NOT added to to encourage players to use it and not sit in town freeing up player slots so please pass that on hopefully the penalty can be removed all together and all will sell using the auction instead of all sittin in town taking up player slots.
The auction house is 1 of the few changes I do like. You practically only pay if you actually sell the item. Now I can sell something for 200kk and not loose 2kk for nothing. So in this I am happy and I am emptying my inventory.
The instance is ok, nice XP and it gives you something casual to do if your clan has 20 wars declared upon it. :D
No mentee penalty fix and too much mats for crafts put a dark cloud on this update imo. The mats that you get from the 90+ quests compensate it a bit. But the bots get rewarded with this update. They got quest rewards that will earn them bilions now and they will be selling mats on the market for even more bilions. But hey, lets not QQ, that is L2, I try to accept it. I am not mad, I am disappointed :D :D
U mean I'm lying dude? lol
What lies? I'm just saying that you might not take advantage of the new Judicator buff, since you're already an awakened Iss, but other players with an Inspector or Judicator sub (not awakened yet) might take advantage of it.
i am sorry, developers, but u r complete ***rs :/
what exactly was ur brilliant logic behind the huge increase of R grade items mats amount?
now u made the gap between ordinary folks and ppl, who have a lot more time to play as big as the Grand canyon.
60 high grade cokes -> 600
few Laks -> 80
i am sorry, developers, but u r complete ***rs :/
what exactly was ur brilliant logic behind the huge increase of R grade items mats amount?
now u made the gap between ordinary folks and ppl, who have a lot more time to play as big as the Grand canyon.
60 high grade cokes -> 600
few Laks -> 80
Koreans enjoy this, the westerns are more likely to go for 3rd party solutions imo.
What 85+ quest have reduced rewards, maybe you want to say 90+? People only complained about 90+ quests than never did them. Biggest complain was the seraph armor parts, one time quest, by the time they get 95 they will have plenty of seraph armor parts from drops to get them blessed and in that time, everyone that is much higher in lvl already do octavis and what other bosses are there that drop blesses items. Now it will give istina bracelet, you can refine it and get +1CON +1MEN, ill take that too. Then it was one time quest that gives a twlight helmet/circlet. Then another quests for pants that you can get them in less than a week, now give lots of materials. Most players were selling those from drops, before getting them from a quest that seems more rewarding now. Istina/pezion/Fortuna/GoG, lots of items drop there, those quests were not that rewarding in the long run.
As a mage I still get that 50% mp regen (if I ever noticed the regen), some summoner force that is still ok if I go party with one but not on my daily basis. Those toggles were not much used by the majority and when used, your own class didnt get their own toggle, now its crap too alone o but its nice that they changed so you can have a variety of classes with you if you want strong forces, not 4 daggers in a party or some crap like that and other classes complaining that they dont get party.
So, a kamael subclass losing a skill when awakened. Its not like the only class that lose something when awakened. What if I want back that shilien templar 83 skill so i can solo soa? That kamael race was strong/weak and then strong/weak again in all these updates, doesnt seem they will find a balance but as main kamael class i think they are strong enough.
This new instance is very good imo, you get 2 stones that can be added only to bound equipment (majority of players have bound gear). Tried 4 stones, 1 failed 3 succeeded, doesnt seem bad. The most rewarding was that 480mil xp, that is a lot of xp for a solo instance. I also like the new auction hall tax, campaign is very often even if the rewards sucked from the beginning of god, i do that for free talisman, crafting now is more expensive in raw material, the recipes/molds you get from quest an parts from drops, but craft gives lots of standard items and slim chance for blesses. Dances/Songs doesnt seem to stack with harmony anymore, for me I say is good change. Lots of other minor changes and like I said, I like this new update.
It's not likely anyone will agree with you at this point..i see complains here and other forums how the gap between the no-lifers/cheaters and the casual has just widely increased becoz of this stupid update. I dunno how giving crappy instances that are poorly designed is good entertainment.
People who are now 92+ are stupidly rich and got free gear, while <89 don't. And the game rules doesn't even let us go agaisnt them coz players 3-4 lvls above you can destroy you. But guess what? Not only we gotta farm more than they did, we gotta play the odds and rely on luck. Can't see how good this update was. How much more random luck factors is NC gonna add? We have stupid logic enough, we want a rewarding game, not a stress crap that drives people nuts.
It's not likely anyone will agree with you at this point..i see complains here and other forums how the gap between the no-lifers/cheaters and the casual has just widely increased becoz of this stupid update. I dunno how giving crappy instances that are poorly designed is good entertainment.
What is there to agree with? He just said he enjoys auction hall tax and the reintroduction of high crafting costs in order to justify higher standard item rates while cheering about elemental fragments that dont work on standard gear. Clearly he is deranged.
It's not likely anyone will agree with you at this point..i see complains here and other forums how the gap between the no-lifers/cheaters and the casual has just widely increased becoz of this stupid update. I dunno how giving crappy instances that are poorly designed is good entertainment.
People who are now 92+ are stupidly rich and got free gear, while <89 don't. And the game rules doesn't even let us go agaisnt them coz players 3-4 lvls above you can destroy you. But guess what? Not only we gotta farm more than they did, we gotta play the odds and rely on luck. Can't see how good this update was. How much more random luck factors is NC gonna add? We have stupid logic enough, we want a rewarding game, not a stress crap that drives people nuts.
Just to be clear, no one got rich off those quests (of course if you have 2 mil adena to your name then it might seem rich). The ones that got tons of money were able to solo fairy area, constant fortuna and spezion, and do gog/orbis. That is where all the big money came from.
This update brought us some really cool loading screens... let's not forget those. We have to remember the the beauty of the trees along with the grandeur of the forest.
Just to be clear, no one got rich off those quests (of course if you have 2 mil adena to your name then it might seem rich). The ones that got tons of money were able to solo fairy area, constant fortuna and spezion, and do gog/orbis. That is where all the big money came from.
Really? Cause i'd swear people saved plenty of money by not needing to buy certain stuff since the quests would reward you, but now not only you don't get full items, you also got increase of 5-10x of required items without any increase on drop rates. Can't you see how much the high lvls have not spent and at the same time sold? It's as if you bought for 1 and now youre selling for 5.
Now gear will be more rare/expensive than before but high lvls just skipped the trouble.
What is there to agree with? He just said he enjoys auction hall tax and the reintroduction of high crafting costs in order to justify higher standard item rates while cheering about elemental fragments that dont work on standard gear. Clearly he is deranged.
if you are one of the lesser minds thats what i said. you are already rich, what do you even care, you only have complains to address.
yuna, like retri said, none got rich with those quests. in order to get pants for example, you ahve to kill watchmen, those one shot any noob out there, you are lucky if you do that quest in those minimum 5 days. other quest was for jewels. most people didnt even bother with these quests. those that got rich is because there were able to kill first in those areas mentioned, lots of drops and drop rate didnt change. even my tunic was a drop in duo, those who struggle getting past 85 see crafting as the only option.
i came back to this game after a long absence, less than 1mil aedna in inventory (gave almost everything away), had crap s-grade gear, less efficient than those with gear from awakened path. now i have full tw/apo element, adena, whatever... even an immortal set with 300 elem resist and i play less than many others. i still have many things to improve but what is there to say, the game is easy mode and they making it easier, at least that what i see. maybe i played too many chinese games where you have do to things for months to get decent rewards and im used with those.