Its true that this is a PvP game. But isn't normal that a full R grade char ( a Yul archer named "kmase" from server Bartz in this case) goes all the day bothering newbies in TOI 1, killing lvs 60-70 from 1 shot, making continuously lose the ISS bufs people just bought, and losing exp. Its not 3 o 4 times, its been In TOI 1 for more than an hour PKng lows.
This should be revised, as a player he is continuously against oher player's interests, and in my opinion this is just pure abusse, no PvP. An injustice. Oneshooting people and making them lose their adena and xp continuously its not PvP. we are not mobs to be farmed, we are peolple behind a computer spending our time in this game, instead of doing something more productive. This way, sometimes the game experience is real bad. Maybe it doesn't be so worthy to play for free, maybe it will be worthy pay a little and have some warranties
It's not the pk system ruining the game, it's the bound items that don't fall of reds when they die, and other issues.
As most of the old players know, pking was easy to get off back in the day but that was not what made pking fun and actually good for both sides. It was the possibility of gear dropping from reds, now bound items ruin it because a person can get to level 86 and use diplomas to get bound items which will not drop if they pk over 30-999999999billion or whatever the limit is. So in reality all they are doing is wasting time when before they had to at least spend adena to get the items...
So, a person abuses the flawed system by getting these bound items which should either disappear if a person is killed when red if an item drops, or become bound to the person who picks them up. Right now there is no penalty if you want to be a perm red toon, at 86, before there was..
You also could not party with a red person either, you had to work it off alone ,but now a summoner can summons red people to area's like Toi to grief, it's not pking if you are guaranteed a win and if you do loose you loose nothing, SORRY that is a broken system!
In other words, it's not the pking system itself, it's that there really is no repercussions for perm red players trying to get a statue..! Let people pk all they want but let them have a penalty if they are going to do so...
You don't d lvl anymore, and bound items make it so all you need to do is rebuff and keep on killing people who really can't defense themselves and there really is no gain if the green name is already gotten... Also, a perm red character doesn't care about you killing them, they just want that kill, lets see them kill when they loose their weapons, armor or jewelry.
It's not the pk system ruining the game, it's the bound items that don't fall of reds when they die, and other issues.
As most of the old players know, pking was easy to get off back in the day but that was not what made pking fun and actually good for both sides. It was the possibility of gear dropping from reds, now bound items ruin it because a person can get to level 86 and use diplomas to get bound items which will not drop if they pk over 30-999999999billion or whatever the limit is. So in reality all they are doing is wasting time when before they had to at least spend adena to get the items...
So, a person abuses the flawed system by getting these bound items which should either disappear if a person is killed when red if an item drops, or become bound to the person who picks them up. Right now there is no penalty if you want to be a perm red toon, at 86, before there was..
You also could not party with a red person either, you had to work it off alone ,but now a summoner can summons red people to area's like Toi to grief, it's not pking if you are guaranteed a win and if you do loose you loose nothing, SORRY that is a broken system!
In other words, it's not the pking system itself, it's that there really is no repercussions for perm red players trying to get a statue..! Let people pk all they want but let them have a penalty if they are going to do so...
You don't d lvl anymore, and bound items make it so all you need to do is rebuff and keep on killing people who really can't defense themselves and there really is no gain if the green name is already gotten... Also, a perm red character doesn't care about you killing them, they just want that kill, lets see them kill when they loose their weapons, armor or jewelry.
After 30pks Bound items WILL drop
There is nothing wrong with what he's doing, if it bothers you so much, get a high level Clannie to deal with him for you, coming here just shows the rest of us how much of a Carebear you really are
This is one of the very few MMOs that hasn't turned PVP into some "mini-game".
it stays true to open world PVP.
if you don't like it, go play something else.
people like you are the reason why the PK system got changed in the first place.
(back in the day when i PK'd you or MOB trained you on my TH you would have dropped a piece of your gear that took you months to craft, so just be thankful you have NCSoft holding your hand as it is)
There is nothing wrong with what he's doing, if it bothers you so much, get a high level Clannie to deal with him for you, coming here just shows the rest of us how much of a Carebear you really are
i did a test with 40lv nuker. PKed my friends twink more than 30 times, then did unbind on A grade armors which i bough in shop. I cleaned all my inventory of rubish, so the only thing i could drop would be that bound armor. My friends killed me ~50 times and nothing ever dropped.
Also on Naia there is bot protector Silvestr with over 2k PK who logins as soon as live player tryes to take spot from his bots. Killed him some times as well and nothing dropped
There is nothing wrong with what he's doing, if it bothers you so much, get a high level Clannie to deal with him for you, coming here just shows the rest of us how much of a Carebear you really are
no, they dont, we make the test already, they did not drop.
There is nothing wrong with what he's doing, if it bothers you so much, get a high level Clannie to deal with him for you, coming here just shows the rest of us how much of a Carebear you really are
And here is the mighty you're a care bear response, when in fact I have over 15 pks on my iss enchanter, a perm red level 40 character spellholwer, and a dagger that is up in pks. Aything else you want to talk about, or are you going to come back with" you mad bro"?
to op: just get over it, alot of ppl have been there even me.
best solution is to change your grinding place. there are alot of places other than TOI. ^^
red char killing lowbies are mostly kids, don't mind them.
and wht's wrong with carebears ? mr tough pro badass warmonger keyboard guy
tough in game/internet belive me, aint **** in real life.
hold up, you mean to tell me you know real badass tough guys that play as elfs on L2 and browse forums? :eek:
The actions of a character in a video game shouldn't be used to define a person in RL as Kagan stated "leave RL at the login screen"... Holmes
point is this IS an open world PVP game, if you don't like it play something else <--- can't be stated enough, yet it fails to sink in with people like you.
compared to what the game WAS reguarding PVP/PK/LVLING there should be nothing to complain about now... i mean they gear you right up to S grade. what more do you want them to do? cast protective PK bubble shields around you as well OH WAIT there's Blessing of Protection until level 40... i guess bann PKers? would that make you feel better?
you said it yourself, it is part of the game so live with it
you just don't realize the benefits of what the PKer gives
one is it makes the Game more alive and admit it, you enjoy killing others (especially bots) too
just don't go here and cry i got PKed...
and i repeat, stop being a big **** y
Anything you say is pretty much irrelevant for in other threads you've posted and here you basically think pking is pvping LOL... These are two different things that is why they have counts for each.
Also, pking in no way helps the game, when the players being effect are not awaken, for an awaken character against anyone not awaken is pretty much a 1-3 shot...
I am not totally against the pking system, it has major flaws, so stop crying over people who point them out with facts... I also would recommend some counseling for you , it's pretty obvious take this game way to seriously, we can tell by your response...
I laughed. Sorry OP get used to it, this game is so easy compared to what it was when I first started.
The OP does have a point.
Pking in the old days before this I falg you, you falg me option, was radically different.
If I PK you, I go red, you die. But when you Die you become my virtual pinata, dropping up to 5 items. As an Austrian used to say, I'll have you clothes your boots and your Motorcycle. In fact going red meant a whole new game, Farming Lowbies for their items. Pkers could make millions farming Lowbies for their goodies. Transferring the spoils to alt dorfs and selling them in the Market.
Dying from Mobs or a PK made you pop like a freshly squeezed zit. Your hard earned and crafted gear which you took months to gather and craft has just been stolen by a red.
You not only lost 5% XP but your sanity as well. Losing even one of your items, god forbid your Weapon, and you're back in town, half naked and barely enough to afford an NG Weapon. For alot of people it was literally reroll, borrow Adena or RMT. Most chose Option 4...world of warcraft.
Before you start thinking that PKers had it easy in the past, it was much more difficult. They couldnt get into town via summoner, and the only way was to glitch in or sneak in. Even then the PKer had to stay away from the guards. In other words why even bother.
Washing PK was not easy in the past, it wasn't just a couple of hours, but pretty much the rest of the day washing that redness.
But if you do shoot down a Pker, he'll drop 5 items for sure. (Smart Pkers in the past will load themselves up with a bunch of useless items in their inventory).
So going red in Gear in the past meant something. It meant that you had the gear and the clan to back you up. (Otherwise you're red, naked and holding a butter knife to farm Dark Blue Mobs for adena). In some ways you'll never see Private Store Messages like "See what Clan's X Leader dropped" anymore.
Anything you say is pretty much irrelevant for in other threads you've posted and here you basically think pking is pvping LOL... These are two different things that is why they have counts for each.
Also, pking in no way helps the game, when the players being effect are not awaken, for an awaken character against anyone not awaken is pretty much a 1-3 shot...
I am not totally against the pking system, it has major flaws, so stop crying over people who point them out with facts... I also would recommend some counseling for you , it's pretty obvious take this game way to seriously, we can tell by your response...
can you enlighten me?
can you tell me the difference between PVP (player versus player) and PK (player kill)?
yes they have diferent count for each but pk is still a player vs another player so theoretically they are the same.
now you are saying that pking does not help the game, so why does ncsoft allow this if it is not good for the game? Im right! Right?
Flaws? What flaws? It works perfectly! when you kill a chaotic toon you get green name, when you kill others not red, you get red name. You just have to accept the fact that the system has changed. So live with it ok?
Now, you said that i take this game too seriously,
I only play 1 toon and i just leveled it up to 85 and awakened it, fyi that toon, i created it the day when GoD was released..
How many toons do you have and what are their levels? Now tell me who takes the game too seriously.
can you tell me the difference between PVP (player versus player) and PK (player kill)?
yes they have diferent count for each but pk is still a player vs another player so theoretically they are the same.
now you are saying that pking does not help the game, so why does ncsoft allow this if it is not good for the game? Im right! Right?
Flaws? What flaws? It works perfectly! when you kill a chaotic toon you get green name, when you kill others not red, you get red name. You just have to accept the fact that the system has changed. So live with it ok?
Now, you said that i take this game too seriously,
I only play 1 toon and i just leveled it up to 85 and awakened it, fyi that toon, i created it the day when GoD was released..
How many toons do you have and what are their levels? Now tell me who takes the game too seriously.
The new PK system actually has each feet in Hardcore and Casual. In other words it can't decide whether it wants to appeal to the casuals or appeal to the hardcore. Since appealing to the casuals is making money, look out for more changes to the PK/PvP system.
PKing is PvP. There is no difference. The only difference is whether you want to take it bent over, fight or flight. Clans in the past will take it for old england but have his clan waiting in ambush. So the minute you went red, they'll jump you for free Loot.
The new PK system actually has each feet in Hardcore and Casual. In other words it can't decide whether it wants to appeal to the casuals or appeal to the hardcore. Since appealing to the casuals is making money, look out for more changes to the PK/PvP system.
PKing is PvP. There is no difference. The only difference is whether you want to take it bent over, fight or flight. Clans in the past will take it for old england but have his clan waiting in ambush. So the minute you went red, they'll jump you for free Loot.
yes you are right.. Bryce9 said it is different and i totally disagree with him.
Pking in the old days before this I falg you, you falg me option, was radically different.
If I PK you, I go red, you die. But when you Die you become my virtual pinata, dropping up to 5 items. As an Austrian used to say, I'll have you clothes your boots and your Motorcycle. In fact going red meant a whole new game, Farming Lowbies for their items. Pkers could make millions farming Lowbies for their goodies. Transferring the spoils to alt dorfs and selling them in the Market.
Dying from Mobs or a PK made you pop like a freshly squeezed zit. Your hard earned and crafted gear which you took months to gather and craft has just been stolen by a red.
You not only lost 5% XP but your sanity as well. Losing even one of your items, god forbid your Weapon, and you're back in town, half naked and barely enough to afford an NG Weapon. For alot of people it was literally reroll, borrow Adena or RMT. Most chose Option 4...world of warcraft.
Before you start thinking that PKers had it easy in the past, it was much more difficult. They couldnt get into town via summoner, and the only way was to glitch in or sneak in. Even then the PKer had to stay away from the guards. In other words why even bother.
Washing PK was not easy in the past, it wasn't just a couple of hours, but pretty much the rest of the day washing that redness.
But if you do shoot down a Pker, he'll drop 5 items for sure. (Smart Pkers in the past will load themselves up with a bunch of useless items in their inventory).
So going red in Gear in the past meant something. It meant that you had the gear and the clan to back you up. (Otherwise you're red, naked and holding a butter knife to farm Dark Blue Mobs for adena). In some ways you'll never see Private Store Messages like "See what Clan's X Leader dropped" anymore.
everyone read this, and then shut the **** up because you all have it to easy atm.
I don't recall ever dropping items to a PKer. I did plenty of times to mobs but never a red.
Same.
All this QQ about pkers will result in one thing =>blessing of protection till lvl 76 maybe 85(whisout the 10 lvl condition of the buff). NcSoft has a talent to screw gameplay.
All this QQ about pkers will result in one thing =>blessing of protection till lvl 76 maybe 85(whisout the 10 lvl condition of the buff). NcSoft has a talent to screw gameplay.
i completely agree, i don't understand why people feel the need to complain all the time. there are thousands of MMO's with PVP more suited to their liking.
this game draws people who enjoy pvp. its one of the last MMO's to still have open world PVP and people are going to eventually screw it up, when they can just play something else. i'll never understand.
Its true that this is a PvP game. But isn't normal that a full R grade char ( a Yul archer named "kmase" from server Bartz in this case) goes all the day bothering newbies in TOI 1, killing lvs 60-70 from 1 shot, making continuously lose the ISS bufs people just bought, and losing exp. Its not 3 o 4 times, its been In TOI 1 for more than an hour PKng lows.
This should be revised, as a player he is continuously against oher player's interests, and in my opinion this is just pure abusse, no PvP. An injustice. Oneshooting people and making them lose their adena and xp continuously its not PvP. we are not mobs to be farmed, we are peolple behind a computer spending our time in this game, instead of doing something more productive. This way, sometimes the game experience is real bad. Maybe it doesn't be so worthy to play for free, maybe it will be worthy pay a little and have some warranties
why is he going red on some lowbies? he is to noob to fight awakend? or did you flag? also ask for noblesse next time. Just shout for noblesse buff. Yes, take blessing of protection if you can. Why do you pay for buffs? Can't you take a mentor? Or join a clan with CH, they are not the best buffs but better than paying + clan skills, fotresses & CH reduce xp loss upon death. Party with a healer (or 2) who actually know how to use PR. A healer with salvation can get up and res you 80% or more xp back. If you have a clan with awakend healers they can bless rez you even. You need friends in this game, if you don't have them already join a clan and party.
yes you are right.. Bryce9 said it is different and i totally disagree with him.
Disagree with me all you want, but the game says there's a difference, and also you did too in an earlier post, but i am too lazy to find it, when you are capable of reading what you type.
When two people pvp they both flag and turn purple allowing anyone to jump in or, allowing one person to kill that person to loose exp and the person to get a thing called a PVP point.
Pk, when a person initially turns purple, but if they succeed in lowering damage and cp to 0 they will now turn red giving other players the chance of gaining items from their inventory and equipped items as well. Also they receive a PK point! And giving the other person a loss of exp.
MAIN PROBLEM: bound items from everything including weapons, jewelry, and armor, do not drop when red no matter how many pks, it allows abuse of this system, in the of goddess update you will not even loose shots if you have "mysterious shots".
Previous to goddess you would loose something if over a certain pvp account. But even if this still doesn't click then why oh why were people not going around to places pking all the time like now? BECAUSE they had something to loose!
If you don't understand what is said in this post there is nothing more to say.
With the update of goddess it allows players to kill people with the new flawed system. Comparing old to new is pointless, we all know the game has changed dramatically, but with changes often it effect areas that were not supposed to be effected. (Example, nerf one character it makes other characters overpowered) Tell me this has not happened and you are a fool.
I believe the point of the op is that there is abuse not because its easier nor harder, but because with changes it helped and people who love to pk, and now they loose nothing if they make a perm pk toon, so they took full advantage.
It wouldn't be a big deal if players who can defend themselves were the ones being pking, but it's not the case, people are pking level 20'to 84 because with the awakened accomplishment it allowed easier to kill so players. Ncsoft is notorious for changing something and messing something else up.
Pking is part of the game, but when does something become abuse or exploiting? Here is one of the definitions of exploit you tell me, who is wrong and right.
2. to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends
WE DO NOT WANT PKING TO END, but we want fairness and there is not fairness in what is taking place, free game or not. If players are allowed to pking and work off rep, be summoned to practically any area, no d-level, and not drop items if bound items are in place, 1-3 shots players who are not awakened if they are, how is this pvp? Especially new players, or people with "friends" the same level as them. If you took the time to read this post you can see where the abuse and problem is... I can easily beat a 3 year old in real life, I am stronger, more knowledge and bigger, it goes the same way with the abuse in Toi, players are targeting these minorities of lineage 2 because the new system allows so. Thus many thread like this will continue or players will leave, for no1 is benefiting with this system, accept the person with perm reds...
why is he going red on some lowbies? he is to noob to fight awakend? or did you flag? also ask for noblesse next time. Just shout for noblesse buff. Yes, take blessing of protection if you can. Why do you pay for buffs? Can't you take a mentor? Or join a clan with CH, they are not the best buffs but better than paying + clan skills, fotresses & CH reduce xp loss upon death. Party with a healer (or 2) who actually know how to use PR. A healer with salvation can get up and res you 80% or more xp back. If you have a clan with awakend healers they can bless rez you even. You need friends in this game, if you don't have them already join a clan and party.Have you ever tried to join a clan as a newbie? If you're not +75 they won't even give you a look on the more established servers. Hell in Chronos I have a hard enough time just finding someone to do kama with let alone get a party to go die to a red awakened character. Shout for noblesse buff and you WILL be ignored or flamed..
Have you ever tried to join a clan as a newbie? If you're not +75 they won't even give you a look on the more established servers.
The clan I'm in will because, if nothing else, it means clan points when you graduate academy. I'm not saying they would take you specifically but they do invite lower level toons. Hell, they took a scrub like me (although I was 77 at the time).
I would suggest making a LFC post in the Chronos section of the forums. I did and had several offers.
hold up, you mean to tell me you know real badass tough guys that play as elfs on L2 and browse forums? :eek:
The actions of a character in a video game shouldn't be used to define a person in RL as Kagan stated "leave RL at the login screen"... Holmes
point is this IS an open world PVP game, if you don't like it play something else <--- can't be stated enough, yet it fails to sink in with people like you.
compared to what the game WAS reguarding PVP/PK/LVLING there should be nothing to complain about now... i mean they gear you right up to S grade. what more do you want them to do? cast protective PK bubble shields around you as well OH WAIT there's Blessing of Protection until level 40... i guess bann PKers? would that make you feel better?
did you read my post ? i dnt have a problem with PK/PVP/LVLing, even gave the guy a solution....
i was refering to those ppl who call other ppl carebears/peaceful like its an insult or not cool and im just stating whats wrong with being one.
you didnt even read my post and your judging me by my post already, thts worst than comparing ppl Toons and RL===(yet it fails to sink in with people like you.)
RL does show (some) reflect of uself in MMO. if your a nice person would you scam someone knowing that there is a real person behind the character you scam and that hes going to feel bad ? nah lets be selfish piece of trash since its just a MMO.
never complain about the game, luving it -ive played game harder to lvl than Lineage. -Nage-
The clan I'm in will because, if nothing else, it means clan points when you graduate academy. I'm not saying they would take you specifically but they do invite lower level toons. Hell, they took a scrub like me (although I was 77 at the time).
I would suggest making a LFC post in the Chronos section of the forums. I did and had several offers.
On chronos? I've been looking for a clan since I came back when the game went f2p. My fiancee and I basically gave up playig a month or so ago partially due to our inability to get a clan to get some socialization going on in game. We did try the LFC forum but no one bit.
Something I've been wondering is if one of my alts that already graduated from an academy over 2 years ago can it join another academy? When I last quit academy graduation was at level 40 or 50 (I cannot remember exactly).
Dueling is both consensual and competitive. Dueling ladders and leagues setup by fans are common for most MMORPGs that have PvP. Dark Age of Camelot was the first graphical MMORPG to debut a formal dueling system ingame (Ballista); other MMORPGs such as City of Heroes, Anarchy Online, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Wurm Online, and RuneScape feature PvP as competitive, consensual dueling in a group setting.
did you read my post ? i dnt have a problem with PK/PVP/LVLing, even gave the guy a solution....
i was refering to those ppl who call other ppl carebears/peaceful like its an insult or not cool and im just stating whats wrong with being one.
you didnt even read my post and your judging me by my post already, thts worst than comparing ppl Toons and RL===(yet it fails to sink in with people like you.)
RL does show (some) reflect of uself in MMO. if your a nice person would you scam someone knowing that there is a real person behind the character you scam and that hes going to feel bad ? nah lets be selfish piece of trash since its just a MMO.
never complain about the game, luving it -ive played game harder to lvl than Lineage. -Nage-
Dueling is both consensual and competitive. Dueling ladders and leagues setup by fans are common for most MMORPGs that have PvP. Dark Age of Camelot was the first graphical MMORPG to debut a formal dueling system ingame (Ballista); other MMORPGs such as City of Heroes, Anarchy Online, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Wurm Online, and RuneScape feature PvP as competitive, consensual dueling in a group setting.
There's a link in my signature to their forums where you are welcome to apply. I would still recommend making a post about what kind of clan you are looking for. There may be a better fit for your play style.
The difference is that L2, like Eve and Dark Fall, have real PvP. Not many games do.
The only one I can think of is Ragnarok online...Ah I played the snot out of that game for years. Was in USRC back in the day. Definitely a ridiculous korean style grind in the early days. Even with LoD and then later hydra (about time I quit) it was still slow and required a lot of teamwork or multi-boxing.
1. Red player over 5pk and lvl 40+ CAN NOT use Bound/Event gear. They can only use normal/UNBound/blessed gear (weapon/armor/jewery).
2. Red player over 5pk and lvl 40+ Can De-level and lost of skill with many death
A1. It the dropable gear that what get everyone in town/area interest in going after a red pker. ALso this promote more people fighting back(pvp) to red Pker for a change to get some dropable normal gear.
A2. This is an additional for Awaken red pker. If they get kill enough time and lost xp and de-Level back to 84. They will lost awaken status (hp/mp/cp)... and skill.
Red pker can still have their fun, but they will have to spend some fund to have fun.
This is Right and Wrong......Normal "Bound" items that drops off mobs WILL be dropped by a pker upon death...BUT once the pker hitS 86 and uses the "Diplomas" to get his gear, this gear WILL NOT be dropped by the pker upon death. Just a "Clarification"