Truly Free or Truly Paid?

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Okay this is going to be a wall of text, so if you wanna read it sit back and relax.

There have been alot of things that was annoying me since GoD came around and I`m sure many others, I`m not a forum warrior either, but time had come where I want to put my 2 cents (rather not talking about cents lol).

Now where to start off....w/e things will be listed and comented on random-memory basis.

1.Truly free?:
Now this is the biggest joke in the NCSoft's history.While Linage2 was made free of monthly payments, the things got almost BR-like-java-based-lolservers (period).
First of all, its the new revamped Vitality system, that is very good, until you hit 85.Before 85 your vit drops slow enough to have it for a while, but after 85 its a matter of 30-40 min to lose it all the way.Here comes the bad side of the revamped vit system - you cannot replenish it by any other means than buying items for real money.Having VP on is a huge advantage when farming, but you have to PAY for it.Yes they have put limit at items that can be used per week - first 5, now 7.This is totally unfair to the people who cannot pay for vit items, total crap - Truly Free.

Second thing are the XP/SP runes that again you can buy with real money, those give you such a boost that you`ll be struggeling behind the other players if you don't buy one each 7 days.Since GoD the level difference matters so much as it never before, 1 lvl diff makes a huge diff, not to mention more than that.
Again if you cannot buy runes + vit items, you're pretty much screwed and lagging behind the ones who can buy these items.
I can even add up real example of what xp rune+vit items can do.On 88 I can do almost 50% with VP and 50% rune durring normal playtime (lets say 5 hours).Now a player on the same level w/o these items will barely do 10-15% if not less.Now multiply this by 7 (days) - you get the picture.

Here comes the biggest greed-inspired idiotism ever existed on the retail servers of L2 - ever!
A new type of enchant scrolls have been introduced into the game - Destruction enchant scrolls.By it basic means thats not bad if these are uber-rare items, since even if you fail enchanting an item with them it wont crystalize, it wont even revert it enchant value.
But NCSoft decided to put them for REAM MONEY TRADE with the so called Destiniy Pack.

This have crossed the line between balanced buyable items and real disbalance.Players who could afford it bought 20-25 Destiny packs and made +15 weapons with these (or saved them to make +15 ones of higher grade).Having for example +15 apocalypse weapon will boost your dmg so much that you`ll be a monster at both pvp and pve.

I want to see how an NCSoft representative (GM for example) will kill me 1v1 with a +4 wpn while I have +15 one on the same level/skills. or how a char with lets say +3 wpn will kill any other char with +15 one in the olympiad?

So it turns out that NCSoft was SELLING +15 weapons for 1 month - that's trully free and fair right?


Next comes the same issue as the stated above but with Scroll enchant armor of destruction R grade.
Again some players bought destiny packs and made +6 armor sets/jewery easily, on top of that the pack was containing 3 of these scrolls (each pack) + 3 stones that increase your chance of success to enchant an item from +4 to +9.This also makes huge impact in pvp and pve + olympiad.
In other words - NCSoft sold +6 armor sets and jewery for real money.


Next is the "Vitality Unleased" event - it's the first event ever existed that was purely made for players who buy vitality items.A whole 7 days the players who could afford it were buying and using as much as items as they want, that again made a nice gap between people who can afford those and those who cannot.This has once more made the gap bigger and bigger.
Truly free you say? It has already changed to Truly Paid.

So guys/gals welcome to Linage2 - Truly Paid.Fact and Period.
Here comes the biggest greed-inspired idiotism ever existed on the retail servers of L2 - ever!
A new type of enchant scrolls have been introduced into the game - Destruction enchant scrolls.By it basic means thats not bad if these are uber-rare items, since even if you fail enchanting an item with them it wont crystalize, it wont even revert it enchant value.
But NCSoft decided to put them for REAM MONEY TRADE with the so called Destiniy Pack.

This have crossed the line between balanced buyable items and real disbalance.Players who could afford it bought 20-25 Destiny packs and made +15 weapons with these (or saved them to make +15 ones of higher grade).Having for example +15 apocalypse weapon will boost your dmg so much that you`ll be a monster at both pvp and pve.


As far as I know you can't buy endless NC Coins... you got a limit and based on that limit you can't really OE your items :)
I do understand that NC needs to sell to have an income but i think a different approach would be better for the players on the server.

In my humble opinion the xp related items should be 5 times cheaper so they become more accessable for many more people and it might even increase the amount of people buying by more then 5 times and in this case better for players and ncsoft.

All the items related to gear etc which makes a character 'stronger' should simply not be sold coz even more then xp difference this imbalances the servers completly.

A suggestion for ncsoft, try to add more accessoires without special function which only can be bought ( CHEAP ) through store and which are not available in game,add special horses, add item change coupons which would change appearance of weapons / armors etc but not the stats.

There are many ways for ncsoft to make $ just try to do it without making people leave coz they feel the game gets even more imbalanced by each store update.
Man, you don't like the rules, you don't play. It's as simple as that. I haven't bought anything so far, cos beside the goggles (which look awesome on female DE with DC heavy ;) ) i haven't seen anything that i actually need. I prefer NC now selling the items for real money, then the way it was before - bot trains everywhere and thus the hero wannabes making the botters rich. +15 weapons don't guarantee win if you don't know how to play your charr. And also with the vitality.. so what happened now with all the ppl with the rush to lvl up. Every1 who's above lvl 90 and wanna spent some time playing outside the CP (just for fun) has to w8 1h to gather ppl. Just notice how much time the party rooms for kartia 90+ stay half empty. The point is .. these l2 store and l2 galleria items actually give chance to everyone to lvl up and gear up, unlike 1 year ago when the top boters were invincible.
Lineage 2 is "Truly pay 2 win" from now on :D

Dear NCSoft,
Money will end. Ppl won't but items for years, you must know that already.

You might now earn enough money but after a few months when players will leave, the only players that will stay are those who bought enough items but as months will pass, they will left too.

Thanks for giving us a few months to see how GoD is but from now on get ready to experience the consequences.
well said mixa, but there is nothing you or I can do.
I know that there is nothing we can do no but soon they will realize what they've (NCSoft) done ;)
Lineage 2 is "Truly pay 2 win" from now on

Agree, it was good before, but now became like those ****ed countless freeshards, just with official server software.
As of today NC have put a new Pay2Win items for sale LOL.

Heavenly Pack that contains a Power Shirt that is not available by any other means ingame + special blessed enchant scrolls for it.
Each level of enchant of this shirt gives you basic stats increase, GOOD JOB NC , rly.
Power Shirt what the hell are the stats... I am not going to buy if I don't know what it does what stats etc.

They post everything but what it does.... How bad of a salesmen are they.
A business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business) (also known as enterprise or firm) is an organization engaged in the trade of goods, services, or both to consumers. Businesses are predominant in capitalist economies, where most of them are privately owned and administered to earn profit to increase the wealth of their owners.

Contrary to the belief of some in this community they are not here to make a fair and happy place for players to game to their heart's content. The bottom line is they will do what is necessary to drive profits.

You only have this game to play because NCSoft wants to make money... that is the reality of this fantasy we play in.
Well i`m glad D3 is gonna be out in 6 weeks.
All i can say is they ****ed up badly with this shirt...what were they even thinking... +2/3 to all stats and a 7 second invincibility skill that WORKS in olympiad...
A business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business) (also known as enterprise or firm) is an organization engaged in the trade of goods, services, or both to consumers. Businesses are predominant in capitalist economies, where most of them are privately owned and administered to earn profit to increase the wealth of their owners.

Contrary to the belief of some in this community they are not here to make a fair and happy place for players to game to their heart's content. The bottom line is they will do what is necessary to drive profits.

You only have this game to play because NCSoft wants to make money... that is the reality of this fantasy we play in.

True, but there is a difference between wanting to make profits for short term vs long term.

In this case we have 3 different types that play this game:
A. Player that will pay as much as it takes to win
B. Players that will pay a lil from time to time
C. and free loaders (which I am untill they find a fix for the over pop servers)

If you sell the so called "game killer" items that only type A players are willing to pay that much for, your ending your income stream sooner than later. It won't take long before type B players figure out that end game will end up being type A players and that ends type B players spending money on the game or even playing. And if I would have to guess the type B players makes up for the largest amount of their income over the long run.
it's not worth to playing anymore this game... they should wipe the server and remover all those OP stuff from l2store..
it's not worth to playing anymore this game... they should wipe the server and remover all those OP stuff from l2store..

Server wipes are for Private Servers and will never happen on these servers.

Truly Free or Truly Paid? Neither. But you have to be willing to drop a few bucks to stay in the game PvP-wise.
Greedness :(
after 85 its a matter of 30-40 min to lose it all the way.Its suppose to be 20 hours (http://www.lineage2.com/gd/features.php) VP based on GoD features :confused::eek:
No good for a casual player :mad:
Its suppose to be 20 hours (http://www.lineage2.com/gd/features.php) VP based on GoD features :confused::eek:
No good for a casual player :mad:

Why do that when they can sell you Vit replenishing pots as well as Vit maintaining pots?
Why do that when they can sell you Vit replenishing pots as well as Vit maintaining pots?

I don't care about items that can help you level faster. I will reach the proper lvl eventually. I'm not in a hurry..
But the problem is with the items I WON'T get, EVER.
Destruction scrolls and imba items.
Problem is we can't get these shirts from the game, you can't get them from bosses or quests, so if you don't buy them, you will always be weaker than the ones who bought.
Which basically is Pay 2 Be Better.
I think its a bit too much overreaction.

Just compare this shirt with for example +4 R95 shirts which add CP too.
And since God +3 on con/str w/e isnt that much anymore.
Ofc it is a lil boost again, but do you rly think it is worth to spend $ on it instead to w8 till 95 and get a normal shirt?

Clean Seraph Shirt has 46pdef, so OE it to +4 then you will be at around the same pdef + 894CP.
I think its a bit too much overreaction.

Just compare this shirt with for example +4 R95 shirts which add CP too.
And since God +3 on con/str w/e isnt that much anymore.
Ofc it is a lil boost again, but do you rly think it is worth to spend $ on it instead to w8 till 95 and get a normal shirt?

Clean Seraph Shirt has 46pdef, so OE it to +4 then you will be at around the same pdef + 894CP.

I cannot agree with you since +3 to all stats + small boost in other stats + invincibility >>>>>>> ~1000 CP on R99 shirt. +/-1000 cp would mean somenthing before GoD but these days it's pffff.

The other thing is, that, if i'm not mistaken, l2 shop wasn't supposed to contain items that are not obtainable through normal game play
Ofc it is better, but not that much. And the invi has a 20h reuse timer. Not a big deal in pvp. Maybe changes some for the ppl that fight for Hero in Oly, but thats nothing.
So rly worth the cost?
I don't care about items that can help you level faster. I will reach the proper lvl eventually. I'm not in a hurry..
But the problem is with the items I WON'T get, EVER.
Destruction scrolls and imba items.
There are ways in game to obtain destruction scrolls. For example via Aden reconstruction npc you can get hero treasure chest and from it you can get it. I bought 4 hero chests so far, got 2x attribute crystal, 1x BEWR and 1x DEWR. Lucky? Maybe, but for sure there IS a way to obtain those items in game and it is FAR from impossible.
You guys really should stop taking it too seriously. NC West have to make some money to keep servers running and pay bills, they wont make it by selling trash in store. Destruction scrolls may bring some unbalance but as I said its not hard to obtain them in game too so the damage done isnt that big. And ammount players who can afford buying those scrolls from l2store isnt that big to affect server. I mean how many people are there who can spend thousands of dollars to make power shirt +10 with this almost impossible enchant rate? One or maybe two? Woo, world is gonna end!
So rly worth the cost?

No, not for me or you or ~90% of the servers population. Still, there are these 10% paying sick load of $ to win
No, not for me or you or ~90% of the servers population. Still, there are these 10% paying sick load of $ to win
And whether you like it or not, those are the ones you can thank to for being able to play here. People who casualy spend few bucks in store cant bring enough money for NC to maintain 5 servers running, pay all the staff or hire extra GMs as everyone wants to fight with bots. Those people dont work for pure enthusiasm, this is company like any other and has to make profit. Sad but true.
And whether you like it or not, those are the ones you can thank to for being able to play here. People who casualy spend few bucks in store cant bring enough money for NC to maintain 5 servers running, pay all the staff or hire extra GMs as everyone wants to fight with bots. Those people dont work for pure enthusiasm, this is company like any other and has to make profit. Sad but true..

Sorry, i don't owe anything to anyone, i pay my bills by my self.

What staff, GM's, improvements are you talking about? Those 2, that crashed the Naia, when they appeared on FI last week? Endless bot trains? Heavy lags all the time since GoD? Badly thought/hosted events? Bugs/glitches with every maintenance/update? The fact, that we don't even get the same update version as Korea? In the company i work for, this kind of staff incompetence wouldn't be tolareted...

The heavy pockets have not that much impact on income since there aren't that many of them. If NC wouldn't imbalance the gameplay with OP store content, annoy community and would actually focus on improving the servers, they could double the income - imho more people would actually use the store because "retail" instead of "worse than PS" experience
If they just made it so players could sell NC coins in the AH and then other players could buy them then that would be great and even help combat against gold farmers, but nope.
L2 was never about RMT (yes I know there were alot of adena sellers/buyrs and so called "ebayers" but still nothing came from NC directly), until GoD came and they adopted the Innova's buisiness model, which is total crap as it proved to be in many other MMORPGs that already failed badly.

L2 was better when there was no RMT, only the monthly fee.Ofcourse you can judge by that, most of the players who came around are not willing to pay2play in any form.The population growth is based exactly on that - free2play.
It's one thing to pay 15 bucks/month and get the same as everbody else, and completely different thing when some ppl can afford to pay 100-200-500-1000 bucks that will make 'em much stronger, than a player who still spends like 15 bucks/month.

But here comes the real question - "Is it really free to play" or its just "Free to fail"?.
"Is it really free to play" or its just "Free to fail"?.

It's really "Truly Pay2Win" !
A business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business) (also known as enterprise or firm) is an organization engaged in the trade of goods, services, or both to consumers. Businesses are predominant in capitalist economies, where most of them are privately owned and administered to earn profit to increase the wealth of their owners.

Contrary to the belief of some in this community they are not here to make a fair and happy place for players to game to their heart's content. The bottom line is they will do what is necessary to drive profits.

You only have this game to play because NCSoft wants to make money... that is the reality of this fantasy we play in.

Is this guy for real, in all his post it's obvious statements. WE KNOW IT'S ABOUT money genius, but by doing the destruction scrolls, and shirt all they will do is make this game about the money for both sides. Meaning that players without money won't be able to compete on the level. It has and will turn to just players with money, for like myself I am not willing to spend 2k to compete, because at the end of the day and game it's about how much damage you can do to monsters and other players. Players are leaving the numbers won't show it because bots are earning adena to buy time cards to get more powerful items. Give it more time and the server will be bots and donaters.
900 cp is bad when all classes now deal 500-1k dmg from normal hits.
You can't compare Seraph Shirt to the Power Shirt.The bonuses are totally different and +7 speed is alot, leave alone the base stats incrase...
Sorry, i don't owe anything to anyone, i pay my bills by my self.

What staff, GM's, improvements are you talking about? Those 2, that crashed the Naia, when they appeared on FI last week? Endless bot trains? Heavy lags all the time since GoD? Badly thought/hosted events? Bugs/glitches with every maintenance/update? The fact, that we don't even get the same update version as Korea? In the company i work for, this kind of staff incompetence wouldn't be tolareted...

The heavy pockets have not that much impact on income since there aren't that many of them. If NC wouldn't imbalance the gameplay with OP store content, annoy community and would actually focus on improving the servers, they could double the income - imho more people would actually use the store because "retail" instead of "worse than PS" experience
If you can pay your bills then good for you but it kinda miss the point I was making. The point is that casual customers in L2 store like you wont generate enough money for NC soft to run their servers AND to pay their staff AND even hire more GMs to fight with bots so putting items that will make more people pay is the only way. Yes, bots are problem but even you had to see that there was some improvement since they hired more gms and actually started doing something. There is rly no problem to log anymore into Naia while before I couldnt log even at 14:00 cause server was already full of bots. Events we had since GoD were copy/pasted from Korea. Also I dont know about what lags you talk about, either invest into your connection or into your pc cause I didnt notice any special heavy lag you talk about. Yes, GoD is more PC demanding but that isnt rly problem of NC West, thats problem for Koreans to solve. Also what bugs/glitches with each maintaince you talk about? Sure there are some problems sometimes but again I didnt notice anything serious beside soulshot lag (which wasnt only on NC West servers) and /attack bug. And if you complain about not having same updates as Koreans - well what to say...move to Korea if you want the most recent updates. It simply takes time to implement it here.
Goodbye forever Lineage 2.
I will never miss you again.

Incompetent managers ruin any business.
Learn from Riot Games, business model.

Some many kids & adults play these endless games wasting their lives.
Actually its more like 10 leave & 5 come , 4 bots, and 1 true player
Goodbye forever Lineage 2.
I will never miss you again.

Incompetent managers ruin any business.
Learn from Riot Games, business model.

This makes me laugh... who is Riot Games?
Riot Games is worth 8 million dollars and owned by a Chinese company with one successful title(L.O.L. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Games)), NCSoft is a multi-billion dollar company employing 3000 and several successful titles. Why would NCSoft change their business model?


Some many kids & adults play these endless games wasting their lives.

The main reason to play games is to have fun wasting time... it is a luxury.
This makes me laugh... who is Riot Games?
Riot Games is worth 8 million dollars and owned by a Chinese company with one successful title(L.O.L. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Games)), NCSoft is a multi-billion dollar company employing 3000 and several successful titles. Why would NCSoft change their business model?


Lol, i got this from the wiki page of Leage of Legends
"As of November 2011, League of Legends had over 32 million registrations and averages millions of players per day, with the number of concurrent users online at any given time peaking over half a million, doubling its player base in 4 months."

I think that a game that has over 500k players concurrent and doubles the player base every 4 months for 2 years is worth to at least research what they are doing.
Lol, i got this from the wiki page of Leage of Legends
"As of November 2011, League of Legends had over 32 million registrations and averages millions of players per day, with the number of concurrent users online at any given time peaking over half a million, doubling its player base in 4 months."

I think that a game that has over 500k players concurrent and doubles the player base every 4 months for 2 years is worth to at least research what they are doing.

It is not about having 500k or a million players connecting to your servers for free, the goal is to get the most funds out of the player base. Getting 10k players to send me $100 each month is much better than 500k players telling everyone what a great free game I have to offer. Let us not mention the fact that if the game was so great we wouldn't be here to debate how much better it is over there... we would be on their forums debating how bad L2 was.
But here comes the real question - "Is it really free to play" or its just "Free to fail"?.

lol that was a good one hahahahaha
Goodbye forever Lineage 2.
I will never miss you again.

Incompetent managers ruin any business.
Learn from Riot Games, business model.

Some many kids & adults play these endless games wasting their lives.

Don't make stupid comparisons.

LoL is competitive MOBA game registered at the ESL and running cash tournaments. OF COURSE they have different business model and won't sell game affecting items.

L2 is a F2P MMORPG and last I checked all of them have more or less the same business model. I actually find L2 to be one of the better one because all content is free, which is not the case with most F2P games. And L2 has a LOT of content.
@ Mneme

Stay out with that LoL :D
The game will go down fast.
Just check if there are rly new players.
I play this game myself and most players have a few accounts up to dunno how many...

Create a new account there and play online, then you will see how many ppl are actually RLY new and how many use twink accounts.

Wonder how great L2 is if we count every created account ^^
The true face of Official Lineage 2.
I'm wondering, when there will be some "balls" from some GM to confirm they are indirectly selling +++ items for donating(money) as this topic described.
It's simple, "rich ppl" can do in no time what "poor ppl" do in 1 year :mad:
Okay this is going to be a wall of text, so if you wanna read it sit back and relax....
1.Truly free?:
Now this is the biggest joke in the NCSoft's history.While Linage2 was made free of monthly payments, the things got almost BR-like-java-based-lolservers (period).
....
Since free 2 play, retail server receive lots of peoples arround the world:
bulgarian-like-java-based-lolservers
usa-like-java-based-lolservers
russian-like-java-based-lolservers
spanish-like-java-based-lolservers
german-like-java-based-lolservers
mexican-like-java-based-lolservers
italyan-like-java-based-lolservers

Look you register date, 2011/dec.... you come from lol-java-bulgarian-lolfailloosertoBRs-server. You are more one of non factors tell bad words for BR players. You can share you ideas since you are stupid ignorant racist.

If you don't like NC Soft East game rules, you can play in EURO servers from INOVA.
Stop trolling here and go to another game.
BACK to TOPIC!

Game is Truly Free To Play!!!!

thats why its calle Free to Play

u resgister for free
u play for free

No one and i repeat NO ONE is making you to pay for game, or inside features, xp runes, accessories, scrolls, or anything else

Its free to play
Its not Free to get The Best Gear to Play Game...

So get it right

Free to play

Pay to Win

Leave all +10 shirts, +15 weapons, +6 armors for ppl with money and who can afford it...
when they get bored out of it...trust me, 5 or 7 people will as a TEAM get the guy down with his +15 and +6 and +10 stuff...

and thats how all Free to PLay games work!!!
look at apple games, android games, blackberry games, or any other free games
its free, but to be best or get to last lvl you have to buy stuff

if you dont like how this game is, why come cry here? just quit and do something get going in real life...
start snowboarding, playing soccer, swimming, get a life...
ejee
Actually its more like 10 leave & 5 come , 4 bots, and 1 true player

And the true player also leaves when he learns how truly free it is...
Since free 2 play, retail server receive lots of peoples arround the world:
bulgarian-like-java-based-lolservers
usa-like-java-based-lolservers
russian-like-java-based-lolservers
spanish-like-java-based-lolservers
german-like-java-based-lolservers
mexican-like-java-based-lolservers
italyan-like-java-based-lolservers

Look you register date, 2011/dec.... you come from lol-java-bulgarian-lolfailloosertoBRs-server. You are more one of non factors tell bad words for BR players. You can share you ideas since you are stupid ignorant racist.

If you don't like NC Soft East game rules, you can play in EURO servers from INOVA.
Stop trolling here and go to another game.

Go jump from the 1st bridge you'll find on your way. Don't speak about ppl you don't know you "OLD RETAIL" player. Who cares since u joined? You are same nonfactor even if you play since '05 or '12. Stupid a55licker of "don't play if you don't like", everyone has the right to say his opinion about if they like DONATING FOR +++ WEP/ARMOR's or not, and everyone can be rasist, it's a "free bltchy world". If u are black you are black, simple as that, you can't get white!
Go jump from the 1st bridge you'll find on your way. Don't speak about ppl you don't know you "OLD RETAIL" player. Who cares since u joined? You are same nonfactor even if you play since '05 or '12. Stupid a55licker of "don't play if you don't like", everyone has the right to say his opinion about if they like DONATING FOR +++ WEP/ARMOR's or not, and everyone can be rasist, it's a "free bltchy world". If u are black you are black, simple as that, you can't get white!

Noone is donating, brah.

Some pplo are buying items that an ingame store offers.

Stop using illegal server terms. This is not an illegal server.

This is retail.
Go jump from the 1st bridge you'll find on your way. Don't speak about ppl you don't know you "OLD RETAIL" player. Who cares since u joined? You are same nonfactor even if you play since '05 or '12. Stupid a55licker of "don't play if you don't like", everyone has the right to say his opinion about if they like DONATING FOR +++ WEP/ARMOR's or not, and everyone can be rasist, it's a "free bltchy world". If u are black you are black, simple as that, you can't get white!

Yes you can show you magic brain ideas, but you can't offend a country, like the first post. About you bridge, nah, i'm not a child and mine posts is not to cry to NC.
You are a little son comming for romania private servers. Tell the post owner to change their first post and change br to romaina, like this:
lol-romania-like-java-based-servers-ownedeveryserverbybrplayers.

Here is note private server.
Here you can't donate.

OMG, since dez/2011, another lol-romania-private-server-owned-by-br-players-more-one-time.

Now jump in you bridge of black and white simple bla bla bla.
Okay this is going to be a wall of text, so if you wanna read it sit back and relax.

There have been alot of things that was annoying me since GoD came around and I`m sure many others, I`m not a forum warrior either, but time had come where I want to put my 2 cents (rather not talking about cents lol).

Now where to start off....w/e things will be listed and comented on random-memory basis.

1.Truly free?:
Now this is the biggest joke in the NCSoft's history.While Linage2 was made free of monthly payments, the things got almost BR-like-java-based-lolservers (period).
First of all, its the new revamped Vitality system, that is very good, until you hit 85.Before 85 your vit drops slow enough to have it for a while, but after 85 its a matter of 30-40 min to lose it all the way.Here comes the bad side of the revamped vit system - you cannot replenish it by any other means than buying items for real money.Having VP on is a huge advantage when farming, but you have to PAY for it.Yes they have put limit at items that can be used per week - first 5, now 7.This is totally unfair to the people who cannot pay for vit items, total crap - Truly Free.

Second thing are the XP/SP runes that again you can buy with real money, those give you such a boost that you`ll be struggeling behind the other players if you don't buy one each 7 days.Since GoD the level difference matters so much as it never before, 1 lvl diff makes a huge diff, not to mention more than that.
Again if you cannot buy runes + vit items, you're pretty much screwed and lagging behind the ones who can buy these items.
I can even add up real example of what xp rune+vit items can do.On 88 I can do almost 50% with VP and 50% rune durring normal playtime (lets say 5 hours).Now a player on the same level w/o these items will barely do 10-15% if not less.Now multiply this by 7 (days) - you get the picture.

Here comes the biggest greed-inspired idiotism ever existed on the retail servers of L2 - ever!
A new type of enchant scrolls have been introduced into the game - Destruction enchant scrolls.By it basic means thats not bad if these are uber-rare items, since even if you fail enchanting an item with them it wont crystalize, it wont even revert it enchant value.
But NCSoft decided to put them for REAM MONEY TRADE with the so called Destiniy Pack.

This have crossed the line between balanced buyable items and real disbalance.Players who could afford it bought 20-25 Destiny packs and made +15 weapons with these (or saved them to make +15 ones of higher grade).Having for example +15 apocalypse weapon will boost your dmg so much that you`ll be a monster at both pvp and pve.

I want to see how an NCSoft representative (GM for example) will kill me 1v1 with a +4 wpn while I have +15 one on the same level/skills. or how a char with lets say +3 wpn will kill any other char with +15 one in the olympiad?

So it turns out that NCSoft was SELLING +15 weapons for 1 month - that's trully free and fair right?


Next comes the same issue as the stated above but with Scroll enchant armor of destruction R grade.
Again some players bought destiny packs and made +6 armor sets/jewery easily, on top of that the pack was containing 3 of these scrolls (each pack) + 3 stones that increase your chance of success to enchant an item from +4 to +9.This also makes huge impact in pvp and pve + olympiad.
In other words - NCSoft sold +6 armor sets and jewery for real money.


Next is the "Vitality Unleased" event - it's the first event ever existed that was purely made for players who buy vitality items.A whole 7 days the players who could afford it were buying and using as much as items as they want, that again made a nice gap between people who can afford those and those who cannot.This has once more made the gap bigger and bigger.
Truly free you say? It has already changed to Truly Paid.

So guys/gals welcome to Linage2 - Truly Paid.Fact and Period.

AMEN
thats the behind the mask of this truly free!
If the GoD files leak to the good private servers, retail servers will have max 1k ppl. True Story.
If the GoD files leak to the good private servers, retail servers will have max 1k ppl. True Story.

Nope.

Played retail back in 05' . Left in 06' because of life. Rejoined in 11' becausr life permitted it. Never played PS, never will. Vets like retail plan and simple.
When it was P2P i always felt that everyone paid for the same thing and got same treatment in game, but since the game went to F2P, I don't see the point spending any more money.
If NCSoft added l2 store while it was P2P, I would've happily paid for such items.
Yes you can show you magic brain ideas, but you can't offend a country, like the first post. About you bridge, nah, i'm not a child and mine posts is not to cry to NC.
You are a little son comming for romania private servers. Tell the post owner to change their first post and change br to romaina, like this:
lol-romania-like-java-based-servers-ownedeveryserverbybrplayers.

Here is note private server.
Here you can't donate.

OMG, since dez/2011, another lol-romania-private-server-owned-by-br-players-more-one-time.

Now jump in you bridge of black and white simple bla bla bla.

lol hahahahaha now do u understand the meaning of sentence "are u br?" hahahaha



Actually its more like 10 leave & 5 come , 4 bots, and 1 true player

i bet on empty servers again in 4-6 months
Since free 2 play, retail server receive lots of peoples arround the world:
bulgarian-like-java-based-lolservers
usa-like-java-based-lolservers
russian-like-java-based-lolservers
spanish-like-java-based-lolservers
german-like-java-based-lolservers
mexican-like-java-based-lolservers
italyan-like-java-based-lolservers

Look you register date, 2011/dec.... you come from lol-java-bulgarian-lolfailloosertoBRs-server. You are more one of non factors tell bad words for BR players. You can share you ideas since you are stupid ignorant racist.

If you don't like NC Soft East game rules, you can play in EURO servers from INOVA.
Stop trolling here and go to another game.

Created On:May 25, 2005
Account Type:Truly Free
Account Status:Playable

If you have no clue.....***** Please! This character was created when GoD came on Shilen, so guess why it says it's created last year lol.

And on a side note, I never intended to offend the Brazillian players, only the BR privates.
I love how people say "no one is donating brah."

But then constantly say "if the servers have to shut down due to no revenue I guess we know who to blame for that."

Lulzworthy.

It's donating. You donate to keep the servers open and to get perks, just like on PServers.

Only difference is that this isn't a 3rd party server.

Not that it should even matter, in the end. Servers, electricity, cooling, sysadmins, gms, csreps, website design and hosting, and bandwidth doesnt pay for itself...
haha correct in saying, play to free > pay to win
U can play for free with a crappy toon. Or play paying for a awesome toon. Capitalism wins once again!
it's not worth to playing anymore this game... they should wipe the server and remover all those OP stuff from l2store..

Wipe? What the heck am I reading? holy ****
BACK to TOPIC!

Game is Truly Free To Play!!!!

thats why its calle Free to Play

u resgister for free
u play for free

No one and i repeat NO ONE is making you to pay for game, or inside features, xp runes, accessories, scrolls, or anything else

Its free to play
Its not Free to get The Best Gear to Play Game...

So get it right

Free to play

Pay to Win

Leave all +10 shirts, +15 weapons, +6 armors for ppl with money and who can afford it...
when they get bored out of it...trust me, 5 or 7 people will as a TEAM get the guy down with his +15 and +6 and +10 stuff...

and thats how all Free to PLay games work!!!
look at apple games, android games, blackberry games, or any other free games
its free, but to be best or get to last lvl you have to buy stuff

if you dont like how this game is, why come cry here? just quit and do something get going in real life...
start snowboarding, playing soccer, swimming, get a life...
ejee

Totally right. Close topic.
The "Truly Free" is a catch phrase. You will still end up paying your old monthly bill just to buy some items in the game to lvl. It's a marketing strategy that has been undertaken by many games lately.

The way I look at it now is similar to online gambling websites. So it's "Truly Gambling" online. It's sad but true the philosophy of the game has changed so much where they want to dig deep in your pockets as they know your already addicted to the game which is your weakness and that you will spend it all on them.

They have destroyed the real nature of the game keeping it balanced. Now it's the right rule while the poor suffer indeed just like in real life but only in real life the poor have the power to change the table. But in L2 you can't do that because the people who have the power is not the rich but ncsoft.
The "Truly Free" is a catch phrase. You will still end up paying your old monthly bill just to buy some items in the game to lvl. It's a marketing strategy that has been undertaken by many games lately.

The way I look at it now is similar to online gambling websites. So it's "Truly Gambling" online. It's sad but true the philosophy of the game has changed so much where they want to dig deep in your pockets as they know your already addicted to the game which is your weakness and that you will spend it all on them.

They have destroyed the real nature of the game keeping it balanced. Now it's the right rule while the poor suffer indeed just like in real life but only in real life the poor have the power to change the table. But in L2 you can't do that because the people who have the power is not the rich but ncsoft.

its not like in rl thats the point, u cant quit the rl but u can quit and switch a game, my only concern its about that we gonna have again empty servers and this is a bad thing for all the ppl including those with op items
For the store to be profitable they should reduce prices across the board, it might appear they'll lose money because people won't be spending as much but what will happen is more people will begin to buy stuff because it's cheap enough for them to afford as opposed to expensive like it was before which currently prevents them spending which would result in more income being earned.

An example would be 5 people buy apples for £1 which results in £5
But sell those apples for 50p (half price)
Then maybe 20 or 30 or more will buy the apples resulting in £10 to £15
MOAR MONEY FOR NCSOFT!!

Those who don't pay and complain though make me laugh, they're complaining about getting stuff for free and it's just jealousy towards those paying to allow the complainers to play/complain for free who get deserved "perks" for paying

Whilst the pay to win model needs to be scrapped in the sense of game balance breaking stuff like +15 gear etc the VP purchases are reasonable, it doesn't imbalance the game it just means those who pay will level quicker than whose who don't but ultimately everyone can reach that goal in a reasonable time whereas with +15 items and purchase only items which enhance stats in game are never realisitically attainable and thus introduce an unfair imbalance.

The decent business model would be paying to reach goals faster as opposed to paying to win along with throwing novelty items which don't enhance a player stats but act as cosmetics.
For the store to be profitable they should reduce prices across the board, it might appear they'll lose money because people won't be spending as much but what will happen is more people will begin to buy stuff because it's cheap enough for them to afford as opposed to expensive like it was before which currently prevents them spending which would result in more income being earned.

An example would be 5 people buy apples for £1 which results in £5
But sell those apples for 50p (half price)
Then maybe 20 or 30 or more will buy the apples resulting in £10 to £15
MOAR MONEY FOR NCSOFT!!

Those who don't pay and complain though make me laugh, they're complaining about getting stuff for free and it's just jealousy towards those paying to allow the complainers to play/complain for free who get deserved "perks" for paying

Whilst the pay to win model needs to be scrapped in the sense of game balance breaking stuff like +15 gear etc the VP purchases are reasonable, it doesn't imbalance the game it just means those who pay will level quicker than whose who don't but ultimately everyone can reach that goal in a reasonable time whereas with +15 items and purchase only items which enhance stats in game are never realisitically attainable and thus introduce an unfair imbalance.

The decent business model would be paying to reach goals faster as opposed to paying to win along with throwing novelty items which don't enhance a player stats but act as cosmetics.

u are wrong, ppl wont buy cuz not all are available to pay 100$+ per month so there will be some who will spend 100$+ and the rest will quit due to imbalance game, after that the ones with op items will quit too cuz the servers will be empty, if u dont believe that u will see it in a couple of months

lets hope im wrong with that but i doubt, servers already lost a lot of ppl
u are wrong, ppl wont buy cuz not all are available to pay 100$+ per month so there will be some who will spend 100$+ and the rest will quit due to imbalance game, after that the ones with op items will quit too cuz the servers will be empty, if u dont believe that u will see it in a couple of months

lets hope im wrong with that but i doubt, servers already lost a lot of ppl

Did you read what I said ?

Items that give XP bonuses and cosmetics items which add nothing but aesthetic enhancements to a character are fine as they do not imbalance a server, they just get people to their goal faster than someone who chooses not to pay but both can get their goal just one has to put more time into it than the one who pays

I do not however agree with paying to win like this power shirt ********, even though it goes against everything NC promised with their original cash shop model, ultimately stuff like that WILL kill the game and drive everyone away.

Also if items were cheaper more people would likely buy

There's a game I've been playing on & off for around 5 years called navyfield, they have a pretty decent model for their cash shop, none of the items give buyers an unfair advantage all you can get are premium subscriptions for added XP, some premium boats which aren't the best in the game but do offer an advantage to lower level players as they are best ships in their lower tier, you can buy premium sailors which give advantage only at lower levels.

Basically their whole models evolves around paying to reach the top tier faster than someone who doesn't pay and it doesn't add any imbalance because people are not paying to win.

Hell NC could totally kill off farmers in one fair sweep if they allowed the purchase of adena in the store at a rate far more competitive than the farmers offer, driving them away as it's simply not profitable. It would raise NC more money and again it would not offer any imbalance as anyone playing for free would still be able to grind the adena.

Basically the bottom line is, if you want to play a game free (which costs other people money for servers and infrastructure along with staff wages and development) then someone has to pay somewhere along the line, NC are a company in it for the money providing a service. Paying to win is bad but a cash shop if done right for perks to reduce time sinks is a good idea as it means you can play for free and others can get something for their money whilst not adding imbalance.

And ultimately, if you have never paid to play this game then you have no right at all to complain. It's FREE enjoy it, move on or offer critical suggestions for a way for the company to earn money to provide the free service :)
Plug: http://techgage.com/article/when_free-to-play_becomes_a_money_game/

Ever since the Destruction scrolls were made available in the store, I've had this fire burning in me to write something about it, so I did. I'm all for most things that are available in the store being there, but things like Destruction scrolls or Power Shirts... no. NCsoft doesn't care whatsoever about its playerbase, I'm confident of that. Revenue is way up since GoD, yet with each maintenance, things get nerfed or quests break (take Kartia for example). You'd think the opposite would happen, but again, it's NCsoft we're talking about.
I usually play a free MMORPG a month or so before deciding if throwing down some cash is really worth it. i.e. I played Shaiya a couple months before paying for in game items. I'm really going to push to 86 to do right by my mentor, but by then I'll probably see how pointless it will be to compete against the ppl who sport the +24 weapons. Then I'll probably rage-quit.
This is still truly free, I have no doubt that a person that spends his entire life playing this game with bots, several accounts, farmer clans and are part of a big clan will be able to play this for free, and still keep most if not all the advantages ( i.e. can dish out a few billion to get an advantage without real cash being involved ).

But regardless of this, this game has become P2W, there is no denying this, the only difference is that now instead of your shody couple of players being able to spend thousands of dollars on farmers and getting there, it is actually more affordable.

I mean it really is a lot cheaper, the amount of stuff you can get out of paying on the shop for lets say 100 USD is insane, ofc you need to be lucky but you can get a considerable advantage, and in the process you are making NC some money.

This is the price of being F2P, you have to offer good deals to get people to spend money, the way I see it they are testing the waters, they are seeing how far they can push this and then tone it down, trust me it is not in their interest to offer a weapon that is the end all, its just not in their interest, offering a 5% character overall boost is better than 90% because the 90% player wont spend any more cash.

It is also up to NC discretion to change the items you have bought so I see these items loosing value and being nerfed if they become too powerful, which is only fair, so next year you might get a new power shirt that gives you more stats but the whole game has been adjusted down that the power shirt is as good as any other item in game, so someone that spends 1k today in L2 is only getting a boost for a short while, yet they are paying for the whole content you are also playing.

So you can decide to bid your time and save up your cash to when it suits you to spend money, if I am level 80 and not in a clan there is no point in spending my cash on this shirt cause well, you are not gonna use it, waiting until you are in a position to compete is the much better choice by which time those items will have lost their value and you will buy them cheap and/or have much better items at the time.

It is too soon to tell which direction this game is going ( apart from ofc that it is p2w and f2p ), it seems they are focusing the improvements on just enchants, get this and enchant it to +10 and gain something, they might find out that this model doesnt work and just tone down the overrall enchanting to something else, which might make all of these items in the shop useless.
This model has totally unthinking by NCsoft clearly.

Exists 3 type of players in every game.

players that don't pay anything. Lets call them "players A"
players that buy some like the old P2P month subscription value or a bit more. "players B"
And players that can spend large amounts of money in anything they find some use. "players C"

theres has nothing wrong with this "truly-free" model, if they haded some rules to not unbalance the game, like it is now.

The main Problems:

Players A cant get anything from the store, thats wrong and brings unbalance to the game.
Players B get things from the store but they need to rely on luck on does lucky type items, thats wrong and brings unbalanced to the game.
Players C Can get everything from the store and don't need to rely on luck, because he can just buy XXXXX amount of items till he gets what he wants/needs, thats wrong and brings unbalance to the game. (And theres no Limit in NCoins like some players claimed, I tested till 380€ )

The first thing that NCsoft should look at, its the situation of "Players A" since they represent the big slice in each servers population, without them I believe NCsoft will go back to the merges just to get 1/2 server with enough population to keep this game alive. If you look at http://kaifas.lt/LineageII-statistic you will notice the decreasing of players. Every new game company knows how this "slice" is important, not ignoring can be well rewarded to the company, you have alot of examples.

The second its putting lucky type Items like "power shirt", "Destiny Packs" where Players B cant afford to buy alot of it. Items in shop should not be quantity dependent Q2W :P .

The Main Solutions: (witch NCsoft ignore to implement)

1st : Is to make every store items available to everyone in-game, you can make NCoins a tradable currency, you can create events that drop this items, you can create quests for this items, bla bla bla WHAT EVER!!! just don't ignore "Players A" they are part of the community, and you will regret sooner or later. (more soon then later)

Atm they cant get 90% of does items, its totally unfair and doesn't make any sense at all. You are provoking a great amount of rage in this players types and this is where you don't want to mess it. A Dead Server will not make Players B and C play or pay.

2nd : Lower the prices of the Items in Shop, Its ridiculous expensive and that makes less players to invest in it. for example The XP-50% rune it should be the monthly subscription value for the 30 days.

3rd : And the most "important of all" LIMIT the items in shop per players, none should be able to purchase 10 Power Shirts and 20 Destiny Packs. At least put a Limit per Month.

Just 3 simple rules that will balance what you put in shop.
Free to play
Paid to win
This model has totally unthinking by NCsoft clearly.

Exists 3 type of players in every game.

players that don't pay anything. Lets call them "players A"
players that buy some like the old P2P month subscription value or a bit more. "players B"
And players that can spend large amounts of money in anything they find some use. "players C"

theres has nothing wrong with this "truly-free" model, if they haded some rules to not unbalance the game, like it is now.

The main Problems:

Players A cant get anything from the store, thats wrong and brings unbalance to the game.
Players B get things from the store but they need to rely on luck on does lucky type items, thats wrong and brings unbalanced to the game.
Players C Can get everything from the store and don't need to rely on luck, because he can just buy XXXXX amount of items till he gets what he wants/needs, thats wrong and brings unbalance to the game. (And theres no Limit in NCoins like some players claimed, I tested till 380€ )

The first thing that NCsoft should look at, its the situation of "Players A" since they represent the big slice in each servers population, without them I believe NCsoft will go back to the merges just to get 1/2 server with enough population to keep this game alive. If you look at http://kaifas.lt/LineageII-statistic you will notice the decreasing of players. Every new game company knows how this "slice" is important, not ignoring can be well rewarded to the company, you have alot of examples.

The second its putting lucky type Items like "power shirt", "Destiny Packs" where Players B cant afford to buy alot of it. Items in shop should not be quantity dependent Q2W :P .

The Main Solutions: (witch NCsoft ignore to implement)

1st : Is to make every store items available to everyone in-game, you can make NCoins a tradable currency, you can create events that drop this items, you can create quests for this items, bla bla bla WHAT EVER!!! just don't ignore "Players A" they are part of the community, and you will regret sooner or later. (more soon then later)

Atm they cant get 90% of does items, its totally unfair and doesn't make any sense at all. You are provoking a great amount of rage in this players types and this is where you don't want to mess it. A Dead Server will not make Players B and C play or pay.

2nd : Lower the prices of the Items in Shop, Its ridiculous expensive and that makes less players to invest in it. for example The XP-50% rune it should be the monthly subscription value for the 30 days.

3rd : And the most "important of all" LIMIT the items in shop per players, none should be able to purchase 10 Power Shirts and 20 Destiny Packs. At least put a Limit per Month.

Just 3 simple rules that will balance what you put in shop.

You sir, deserve the internet. In fact, I dare say that I know some private servers that have been going on for YEARS on this model and still they keep a healthy income and steady playerbase!

NCoin should be tradable ingame (thus eliminating rmt for good). They way NCSoft is making money is in bursts, and not keeping a mind set for long time profit.

With NCoin tradable ingame it would make stuff accesible to players A, aka, the large player base, Players B would save up on their cash, and players C would invest more in NCoin because they'd get more adena in exchange for it.
Now, right off the bat you could say that Ncoin sales would drop, and if they did it is because there aren't interesting items for sale there (thus getting NCSoft to evaluate what's on the market acorss all servers, and what most people want).

For example, Kartia passes are selling like crazy (and filling the instance for that matter) and that is a clear example of something that is happening when something "Premium" (lets call it that), becomes available to the playerbase.

I'm in total support to remove DEWR/DEAR/Power Shirt etc, from the L2 Store, those items should be removed or, like you said put a limit on purchases TOTAL per player. Stuff that should be kept imo is the Dyes. It doesn't bring that much of a disadvantage, and players A, B and C could get them by either spending Adena or by spending real cash and saving their adena.

Sace, Juji or even Cryo, we know you read this and we'd love to hear your words either here or on another producer's letter.
they will read it and ignore it :P but I'm happy to point it out anyway.

They are doing what results in more income for them, for short period. till players A,C realize they will never going to be competitive.
With this model I pointed will result in less income, but will last way long, and everyone will be competitive in the server, sooner or later.

This is all market strategy either they plan to shut down NCsoft in short period or they are making "the common firsts PS mistake" and they don't realize that. Lack of experience in this time of model can justify this also.

the number of players already start to dropping, and this is the point I will see if NCsoft want to continue with L2 in short or Long period.
I do not however agree with paying to win like this power shirt ********, even though it goes against everything NC promised with their original cash shop model, ultimately stuff like that WILL kill the game and drive everyone away.

Also if items were cheaper more people would likely buy

It will drive away the people that arent spending any money.... o noes NC totally cares!

alot of people that played retail for years continue to spend $ more or less what they would spend on old subscription. new players from priv servers many who are willing to spend now that official servers have some of the pay to win perks that they like about thier privs but w/o fear of server being randomly shutdown of wiped etc.
with that income free players quiting isnt going to matter to anyone.
i cant give many examples of a host being negativly affected when a parasite leaves...
imo free players arent symbiotic either. they come, they feed, they destroy the place for everyone, then leave or die.
the free players only use to NC is to make up a in game population that more serious players/payers can crush once they spend enough $
the free players will quit once they figure out they have a hard time to compete w/ paying toons, but since the game is "free to play" it will always attract more new free player looking for somthing to try and the cycle starts over again.
Problem is we can't get these shirts from the game, you can't get them from bosses or quests, so if you don't buy them, you will always be weaker than the ones who bought.
Which basically is Pay 2 Be Better.

I'd personally love to track down, print out and then bombard NC's offices with tons of printouts of all the times their PR stated in interviews "We will never sell power in L2's Truly Free! We know the impact it can have in a competitive PvP environment and we won't let that happen!"

I wonder if the PR folks were having a difficult time holding back their laughter as they knowingly and repeatedly delivered that lie to all those people interviewing them about the F2P transition.

I knew they were putting far too much emphasis on that prior to the Free to Pay's release. A definite case of "the lady doth protest too much methinks". They were trying way too hard to convince everyone they would never, ever do it. They wasted no time in proving my suspicions justified.

And what has been the reasoning that's used to justify it?
"Well, those items are optional. People don't *have* to buy them. So the game *is* F2P".

Anyone who doesn't see the blatant and sleazy dishonesty of that defense needs their eyeballs cleaned.

People *will* buy power, advantage and influence in real life, or in a game. NC, like all Cash Shop MMO developers, knows this and they are exploiting it as much as they can get away with it. One of the basic cornerstones of a cash shop driven MMO is that the developers know (or learn) how powerful a motivator things like social pressures (the need to belong, fit in or stand out) and competitiveness are among gamers, especially in a social setting like a MMO, or even a social FB game. That aspect of human psychology and behavior is one of the *key* ideas behind why and how Cash Shops are set up. They are profiting off the predictability of human behavior. All the while, they get the "free pass" card of saying "but it's free!".

Also, they control the entire deal, from A to Z. They influence the demand. They control the supply. Does anyone else find it laughable as me that they sell "Limited Supply" items in the shop? I mean, really? How are 0s and 1s in limited supply exactly? They could stuff everyone's inventory full of any given item if they wanted. There's nothing limited about it. They make it limited (controlling the supply) in order to say "You won't be able to get these for long! So buy now!" (influencing the demand).

It's one of the biggest con jobs a developer could play on their customers/players. And yet people eat it up.

Watch this video. Not only does it give good ideas into how a cash shop can be done *well*, it gives some glimpses into how developers and publishers actually think and regard their players/customers.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/microtransactions
Since a few weeks now we have legit way of buying adena ingame :)
It all started with the Extra Kartia passes, which you cannot sell in privite store but you can trade lol, ppl around me are making tons of adena by selling Extra Kartia passes all day.

I`m expecting to see epics in the L2Store soon :)
Things I think would balance the game:
First: Remove All L2 equipable items that raise stats

Second: Revamp drops from higher quests / mobs / bosses. Make the drop rate for items like Enchant scrolls or top weapons very low. Resulting in lucky player method. To make money off of this you can put increase drop rate for XX Hours/XXDays.

Third: You can also sell cosmetic items that give no boosts but will allow players to look better because believe it or not a lot of people that play MMO's have a lot of vanity issues and will spend a good chunk of money just to be the player next to the gate keeper with a huge frickin hat that glows and shoots hotdogs out.

Fourth:Remove free option to subclass < Make them buy subclass cards. As it does not hurt however many classes 1 person had on their char. Which brings me to this point. If you fight someone and your class is wrong for fighting them then you can change it. <Strategy is good in pvp not who has the biggest guns. Lets see you fire that bazooka if you're asleep or stoned. :)

Fifth: You can add weird items to the shop like Teleport anywhere items. That will sell because everyone likes to save time as L2 Is addicting to some but they don't have much time to play. Equip a Staff of teleportation and go immediatly (But can not be used while flagged, And if used while in karma must be immobile for 1 minute.)

sixth: Another save time item that will get you some pretty big sales is transportation pets. Not pets that are super op **** power ops megatron look alike thunder thighs ITS OVER 9000 Patk. No just a pet that gets around towns fast or to their favorite fighting grounds.

seventh: Now I know this has been used in a few games but Take the shout function off as it is annoying anyway. But add a item that allows people to make 20 continent wide shouts per use. You wouldn't believe how much people want to be heard. And i'm sure you can see this by just walking into towns like Aden and seeing idiots spamming kartia parties and getting chat banned for it.

eight: I like the idea of guest passes games like DDO had this feature it is actually nice because if your game is as good as you think it is. People will make friends friends will buy passes to let their friends tag along for a good chance at a good item from a good boss. Like 1 Hour pass to run XXXX Quest that has a good item / boss. They can run it however many times they can for an attempt at a good item. Hopefully they have the increase drop potion I suggested earlier.

Reason why you can't do this: Well the server has been alive too long and people have spent hard money on +20+ weapons that you can't just take from them. So if you remove the shop items now it will just make a even more exclusive group of people who are too op and will never be challenged. Although, In the long run they will probably quit from not being challenged. So the items would eventually flush out. That being said I don't think this is a wound that can be closed. It's open and it's on a snowball effect The only way to do the things I said is to wipe the server refund everyones money and start over. But you took the whimsy road I hope nothing bad happens but it seems that is inevitable. You can stop it where it is though. And implement some things suggested. But you probably wont :D
I believe ncsoft said originally they wouldnt sell anything in the shop that would directly impact characters ie. items weapons etc? i could be wrong but i remember reading something similar to this, but then they brought out power shirts? with ridiculous stats when enchanted, amongst as mentioned destruction scrolls etc etc, ncsoft havent stayed true to there word and indeed have become greedy.

tis a bit sad.

AND LOL MIXA FROM L2DREAMS?
Helix new to official? The 2nd and 3rd sugestions are prooving that.
Fourth:Remove free option to subclass < Make them buy subclass cards. As it does not hurt however many classes 1 person had on their char. Which brings me to this point. If you fight someone and your class is wrong for fighting them then you can change it. <Strategy is good in pvp not who has the biggest guns. Lets see you fire that bazooka if you're asleep or stoned. :)
Subclass system is around for years, the old quest is still a bit costy. Would you like suggesting more game-changing paid features like this one?

Fifth: You can add weird items to the shop like Teleport anywhere items. That will sell because everyone likes to save time as L2 Is addicting to some but they don't have much time to play. Equip a Staff of teleportation and go immediatly (But can not be used while flagged, And if used while in karma must be immobile for 1 minute.)
There is already one, it's called My Teleport Flags & Scrolls.

sixth: Another save time item that will get you some pretty big sales is transportation pets. Not pets that are super op **** power ops megatron look alike thunder thighs ITS OVER 9000 Patk. No just a pet that gets around towns fast or to their favorite fighting grounds.
Wolves, striders, Awakened mounts. Other than that, do you want space warships too?
actually epic flying spaceships would be amazing, but actually what I really want is a Pick-up pet. I know is sounds stupid but I want a pet that doesn't take xp, picks up and splits like a normal player would in a 7 man party, random including spoil or whatever party is set too. and it cannot die, it automaticly picks up everything except herbs, doesn't have any other skills or uses other than picking up and its permanent. looking for this one in the L2 Store, willing to pay 2000 coin to remove pickup from my hotbars.
I won't be posting on here anymore due to ******* remarks on someone trying to better a situation. Thanks Tiferet1 and Yunalesca.
Seriously people? You actually think NCSoft Corporate or much less NCSoft West actually cares about your gaming experience or care to keep it "balanced"? Going Free to play was the last resort for them to even keep Lineage 2 online, and drain the last bit of money out of all your people, Don't expect it to be on more than a year or two more.
actually epic flying spaceships would be amazing, but actually what I really want is a Pick-up pet. I know is sounds stupid but I want a pet that doesn't take xp, picks up and splits like a normal player would in a 7 man party, random including spoil or whatever party is set too. and it cannot die, it automaticly picks up everything except herbs, doesn't have any other skills or uses other than picking up and its permanent. looking for this one in the L2 Store, willing to pay 2000 coin to remove pickup from my hotbars.
The pick-up pet thing is amazing, I recall seeing something similar in Atlantica Online, it took automatically some loot from the defeated enemies and was a pay-to-have feature.

I won't be posting on here anymore due to ******* remarks on someone trying to better a situation. Thanks Tiferet1 and Yunalesca.
I can't understand why you're so butthurt when:

-reminded that some of your suggestion were redundant;
-reminded that some of your suggestion were game-breaking more than a stupid shirt with crappy chances to be enchanted.

And I didn't even buy the Power Shirt, I'm not interested in such items.
Really, you make sugestions so the game becomes more grindfull, that scares people away and put pay2win sugestions which is already the big deal around here.

That subclass sugestion is a pay2win feature wether u like it or not. hint*hint* TAUTI.

Go figure.
That subclass sugestion is a pay2win feature wether u like it or not. hint*hint* TAUTI.

Go figure.
Am I missing something about Tauti? O.o Or are you talking about the Light/Darkness thingie for castles?
Am I missing something about Tauti? O.o Or are you talking about the Light/Darkness thingie for castles?

Festival of Chaos. only subclasses can enter this new "oly", it's the replacement for TW.
Festival of Chaos. only subclasses can enter this new "oly", it's the replacement for TW.
Aaaaah right. I thought it was for main classes without 4th class transfer, it will be insteresting... And the (reused) name is always cool!
The pick-up pet thing is amazing, I recall seeing something similar in Atlantica Online, it took automatically some loot from the defeated enemies and was a pay-to-have feature.


I can't understand why you're so butthurt when:

-reminded that some of your suggestion were redundant;
-reminded that some of your suggestion were game-breaking more than a stupid shirt with crappy chances to be enchanted.

And I didn't even buy the Power Shirt, I'm not interested in such items.

No matter ill just keep reporting you with harassment / rude. Eventually they will remove you. Then you might learn how to talk to people.
Seriously people? You actually think NCSoft Corporate or much less NCSoft West actually cares about your gaming experience or care to keep it "balanced"? Going Free to play was the last resort for them to even keep Lineage 2 online, and drain the last bit of money out of all your people, Don't expect it to be on more than a year or two more.

I should fully agree with this.There is no balance, there is no fairplay, there is jsut pay as much as you can to win, while NC makes some more money from L2 until it can.The plain truth.
No matter ill just keep reporting you with harassment / rude. Eventually they will remove you. Then you might learn how to talk to people.
They don't remove people for being rude, and they did nothing in the way of harassment. If you cannot accept critcism from others then maybe it is better you do not post here anymore.

Oh, and they do not remove anybody, they issue infractions that are only temporary. Read the fourms rules before you go around reporting somebody for commenting on your suggestions.

Sounds to me like you just cannot accept having something you post be picked over by others.

I should fully agree with this.There is no balance, there is no fairplay, there is jsut pay as much as you can to win, while NC makes some more money from L2 until it can.The plain truth.
This is all that matters to them, not what the players like, want or think.
So your saying you like it better when only bots had good levels and everyone with good gear qqd it? If you can't buy xp boost stuff, then focus playing just one character. The game is way better now wired botted clans (rmt players) aren't choking off all the raids and good xp.