I could have sworn this game was supposed to be fair for all players. I definitely recall NCSoft stating that RMT was illegal because it causes an unfair advantage. So where the **** do you guys get off selling the Power Shirts and claim it's any sort of fairness? Give me back the $15 a month so kids who used to donate on private servers can get the **** out of this game and make it fair for all players cuz this L2 Store ends the game. It is seriously nothing more than donator heaven. Where does it seem fair that unless you donate, you NEED a +10 Power Shirt in order to compete in pvp? Please tell me this, Sace. Inform ALL OF US as to how this is fair to all players in this game when, with enough money in real life, you can get:
+3 CON/STR/MEN/INT and +2 WIT/DEX
+7 speed
+41.3 crit dmg
+20 magic crit
+93 physical skill damage
3% skill MP consumption reduction
Active 7 second invulnerability.
Where is there fairness that NCSoft so gracefully put on us when saying RMT was illegal because it made the game unfair? Because this is going to kill the game. You realize that, right?
is only ok if ncsoft makes the game unfair because they make money out of it, why share on the profits when u can claim everything else is illegal and try to keep them all to urself.
I could have sworn this game was supposed to be fair for all players. I definitely recall NCSoft stating that RMT was illegal because it causes an unfair advantage. So where the **** do you guys get off selling the Power Shirts and claim it's any sort of fairness? Give me back the $15 a month so kids who used to donate on private servers can get the **** out of this game and make it fair for all players cuz this L2 Store ends the game. It is seriously nothing more than donator heaven. Where does it seem fair that unless you donate, you NEED a +10 Power Shirt in order to compete in pvp? Please tell me this, Sace. Inform ALL OF US as to how this is fair to all players in this game when, with enough money in real life, you can get:
+3 CON/STR/MEN/INT and +2 WIT/DEX
+7 speed
+41.3 crit dmg
+20 magic crit
+93 physical skill damage
3% skill MP consumption reduction
Active 7 second invulnerability.
Where is there fairness that NCSoft so gracefully put on us when saying RMT was illegal because it made the game unfair? Because this is going to kill the game. You realize that, right?
BIG +1 to that, as some one who cant afford to pay out 100's of $ every time you change the packs this game has just become so stupid. How the hell am i ment to compeat against people now, +15 weapons +6 Armour and now stupid shirts. I have played on retail since you first opened Luna and now it just feels like a big slap in the face from NCSoft and a complete waste of time. IMO This is worse then real money traders, atleast then players still had to work for every thing.
L2 is nuthing more then a Play to Win private server. Time to move on to a new game i guess.
The use effect has 20 hour cooldown so not that great
All i want is a +6 shirt..
yeah like if it was the 7 sec invincible that will change the game... or the bsoe... The problem come from the +++ stats and bonus lol +7 run speed on a elf nuker ... ty when i'm full buffed now i run to 300 speed... and i can teleport...
This is just yet another game changing item, especially that its allowable within the olympiad.
Its one thing to make 1.. 2.. 3.. 5.. but what happends after a year of this when each month they have game changers stacked on game changers.. entry barrier to catch up to people is next to impossible...
+3 stats alone is beyond insane for good.. but 7 second invulnerability too in the olympiad? Are you on drugs ncsoft? This is a skill game and your destroying it.
yeah like if it was the 7 sec invincible that will change the game... or the bsoe... The problem come from the +++ stats and bonus lol +7 run speed on a elf nuker ... ty when i'm full buffed now i run to 300 speed... and i can teleport...
when did they increase max runspeed to 300 ? i thought it was 250
also, if youre already max casting speed, you'll have only the boost to Con and Int to really help you in PVP, as none of the other stats are much beneficial.
these shirts alone will not be the game breaker. it is the augments+special hats+shirts+armor set+enchant bonus+buffs.... the whole chain.
since they doubled the numbers and halved the effects, this is much akin to +1 in each stat at most.
why don't you guys stick to fashion items/potions/shot packs it's beyond me..
This is GOD, so why you removed destruction scrolls from drop and put them in store?
You get stat points from everything now:
- from armor sets
- from dyes
- from accesories
- from shirts
- from jewels
- from bracelts
And on top of that you have ++ on armors/weapons.
How can you fight against someone who paid to have double stats than yours.
Even you are the dumbest player ever, you will still win a pvp.
when did they increase max runspeed to 300 ? i thought it was 250
also, if youre already max casting speed, you'll have only the boost to Con and Int to really help you in PVP, as none of the other stats are much beneficial.
these shirts alone will not be the game breaker. it is the augments+special hats+shirts+armor set+enchant bonus+buffs.... the whole chain.
since they doubled the numbers and halved the effects, this is much akin to +1 in each stat at most.
not a big deal until paired with everything else.
a tiny competitive edge, if anything.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you, but you don't seriously compete in Oly, so you don't realize that those shirts from +6 on are going to make a real difference. 7 run speed is huge there, and +2 or +3 to each stat does have an impact. If they had made it so this thing couldn't be worn in Oly then I might say w/e, since it'd be ok to have for open field pvp but not that big a deal.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you, but you don't seriously compete in Oly, so you don't realize that those shirts from +6 on are going to make a real difference. 7 run speed is huge there, and +2 or +3 to each stat does have an impact. If they had made it so this thing couldn't be worn in Oly then I might say w/e, since it'd be ok to have for open field pvp but not that big a deal.
agreed. remove from oly is is prolly fine. Why they dont just say.. 100 dollars and get your +10 shirt.. that way everyone can have one.... and ncsoft still gets there money... balance is the furthest thing from ncsoft executives minds atm.. all they care about is the money in the bank account.. and it really is going up from crap like this.. license to print is really the name for it.
Here are a few things i would like to say after a few months on your "Truly Free" game
1. I wish they leaked the god files so i could go to a no item donation private server(yes there are a few) and play there instead of this joke disguised under the 'truly free' propaganda.
2.As if Selling the ways to make +15 weapons +6 armors endless vitality wasnt bad enough....now they add this crap to overpower the donators even more.
3. In all the mmo`s i have played over a period of 8 years i have never seen a more
greedy management of a game.
4.The staff handling this game should take a look at how the top mmo games make money off players without unbalancing the scales in pve/pvp.
5. This has turned from Official server into a Private server with expensive pixels in less than 3 months
most of u guys obviously haven't tried to OE armor to +6 leave alone past +6 to know the success rate chance of anyone having a shirt past +8 is as good as non existent..
Blessed Scrolls isn't the same as using Destruction scrolls which only work till +6 anywayz..
Just my 2 cents here.... You guys are going down a bad path with some of these items. You're basically selling power that can only be obtained through the cash shop, instead of offering items that might be costly in game but would still be obtainable (i.e, the shirt). In the short term you will make money from it, but in the long run it's going to cost you customers.
You'll have people that can't afford the items leaving because they can't compete and even the ones that can afford it will eventually grow tired of shelling out that kinda money. I realize you have to make a profit, but you could sell things that are still obtainable in game, such as the dyes or just raise the vit item use to 20 items, etc. Exclusive cosmetic items are fine, but cash shop exclusive stat changing items are a mistake.
PS- I'll be the first to admit I'll buy this shirt because I compete in Oly, but it still needs to be said that this is an ill-advised move on the part of NCSoft.
not to be mean or anything but this was a known item to be coming as the Koreans got this like years ago already.. ask Elmar to dig up the success rates for OE'ing this shirt.. it will make u laugh..
Only donators will survive! (do not tell me why i am writing "donators". From the moment they announced the new items in store, lineage2.com became the official "private server".
most of u guys obviously haven't tried to OE armor to +6 leave alone past +6 to know the success rate chance of anyone having a shirt past +8 is as good as non existent..
Blessed Scrolls isn't the same as using Destruction scrolls which only work till +6 anywayz..
Thats the problem, people who have 1/2/3/4/5 grand extra to make a shirt +10 will get it there, you can do anything with enough money in this game, and IRL, no1s fault, just how it is.
The people who are middle class, have other hobbys but enjoy this game, who will throw 50/100 dollars at a shirt, will be left behind, not with just this, but with everything. (Runes, +16 weapons, +6 or higher shirts, ect)
Its not fair, and completly ******ed. Same deal with people (Yourself included) spending 1200/2500 dollars on a +16 weapon =/ Dead game is dead, stop giving these people your money.
You probably know the % chance to make the shirt +10, right?
Based on the enchantment tests of Children of Heaven (http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/l2_friend) (100 tries), so at least you have an idea how much you need to spend:
not to be mean or anything but this was a known item to be coming as the Koreans got this like years ago already.. ask Elmar to dig up the success rates for OE'ing this shirt.. it will make u laugh..
It doesn't need to go +10 bro, +6 is still 7 more run speed and 2 to con/str/men/int. +6 might not be easy but it's still doable.
Enjoy your money ncsoft, oh this is based on russian numbers btw
Sace seriously, tell Cryo to look into the enchant rate because its unreal.
Don't make a pretty ****** dwarf comic for this ****
well i guess anyone can get a power shirt.
it is certainly costly.
well maybe not for those lucky few.
at the same time though, look at all those +/+ tattoos out there.
they came in an event for certain which reduced the prices a bit, but those are still only present on the top payed players in the game.
how is that any more fair than this rmt power shirt?
maybe this balances those over powered tattoos out a bit?
I'm honestly really saddened by this. It's pathetic.
You add DEWR's to packs, people get +15 weaps, people live with it.
You add DEAR's to packs, people get +6 sets, people live with it.
You add EXP runes that cost $15 per week to use, people live with it.
And now you add Shirts, that at +10 are so OP it isn't even funny. I really can't believe this. I love L2, I really do. Every day I look forward to playing it, but this is just sad.
I as a customer, who has put money into this game after F2P, can't compete. This game has just gone completely do a game that relies on who can spend the most at this point. If you can't spend the most, you can't win.
To those who will say "No one is stopping you from buying more NC Coin!" yes, except bills. I will bet that there are very few players who are able to dish out the cash for even one destiny pack, but there is a huge amount of people willing to dish out $15 here and there to help themselves as well as support the company, but at this point this is bad.
I was hoping that NC just figured they made a few mistakes with the DEWR's and such, but at this point if a game comes out I like even half as much I'm gone.
As someone who enjoys PvP, I can no longer compete with the top end RMT that is going on. Thank you for ruining an 8 year old game NC.
lol i dont understand the nag. most of you ppl say omg make it sub 15 dollars again...
i still spent 15usd in NCoin every month(before i spent even more because i had multiple subs)... you wont spent more. youll still play the game. and you might get one of the shirts your are so afraid of.
he might end up with +7 or +8 but beyond that not going to happen.. success rate is to bad for it that I honestly doubt he will continue after he wasted 1+k USD..
also good luck finding that many GTC still around for getting the required NC Coins for such an epic attempt :)
ah and latest update there is apparently indeed a +7 shirt on Naia
he might end up with +7 or +8 but beyond that not going to happen.. success rate is to bad for it that I honestly doubt he will continue after he wasted 1+k USD..
also good luck finding that many GTC still around for getting the required NC Coins for such an epic attempt :)
ah and latest update there is apparently indeed a +7 shirt on Naia
Nice.
It's awesome that our Community Coordinator/Manager could care less about their game community and is letting this game go to hell in a hand basket by allowing things like this into the game. Absolutely stupid. They're changing this game from a "PvP game" to a "CashvCash game".
I would gladly pay to support ncsoft then pay to buy ******ed items ... you guys dident think that this shirt would affect game after the sale period is over? u could add other stats like resistances or more p def /m def but adding stats ...its completly wrong ...my opinion
I assume this shirt uses the HP/MP/CP shirt slot, which makes it so OP, not even we have hair, eye accessories that cost like 1bil with OP stats, now this :P.
What will you do to bracelets?
It's awesome that our Community Coordinator/Manager could care less about their game community and is letting this game go to hell in a hand basket by allowing things like this into the game. Absolutely stupid. They're changing this game from a "PvP game" to a "CashvCash game".
Alas I cannot control all changes and decisions made for the game. But I assure you that I am doing my job of reporting all your feedback to the executives so that the community's reaction is clearly heard. I understand that this item and some others new to the store are a bit controversial, and that is why I am careful to collect all the individual opinions about it and report them to my superiors.
The power shirt is a cool idea, just that you are turning L2 more and more into Pay2Win isn't. Those willing to spend or have enough to not care will quickly top out in gear, they may not be good players but at some point being a good player or not will make less of a difference and is also irrelevant to the point.
I know NCsoft need the income, and it is probably nice to see those $$ roll in but it would continue even if you didn't make items such as this.
In fact, this made me not want to bother spending more money on the store as I'm expecting the trend to continue and eventually I'll leave L2.
Vit items and xp runes probably already generate a nice income.
As people have calculated, the price of a high + shirt is insane.
I believe one or more daily quests for a bound power shirt would be fair. Then chance to get blessed shirt scrolls from Aden dailies and sell the blessed scrolls in NC Store for a while.
This would be partly Pay2Win but still fair as it is not impossible to obtain shirts without $
In either case, I can't continue writing this atm. It may be incomplete and contain various missing rows and what not ;p My point should remain in there though.
~ Cheers.
That was in 2 hours...almost 14 days of the event left, plenty of time to make more...
Anyway they are selling an item better than a raid boss jewel.
I already see enough people saying that they are fed up with this(including myself) and thinking about going back to private servers where no item donations exist.
What they dont understand that: if the people that dont donate will leave because they feel they are underpowered compared to Visa chars...the ones that donate will leave aswell...
No one stays on a low population server no matter how good his gear is
NC, you are working hard to bury L2 for good. Do you guys have a clue how game breaking your L2Store items are? It's in the rank of the lowest private servers.
Your moves are beyond belief. Are you even aware of how close is May? And we all know what comes then. You are literally FORCING everyone to quit and never play another NC game.
Alas I cannot control all changes and decisions made for the game. But I assure you that I am doing my job of reporting all your feedback to the executives so that the community's reaction is clearly heard. I understand that this item and some others new to the store are a bit controversial, and that is why I am careful to collect all the individual opinions about it and report them to my superiors.
Too late Sace. Already too many shirts have been bought by players.
Well, I not really think, that the Power Shirt would mean so huge power to a person who get a +10 one.
I think first of all, to this man who get a +10 Power Shirt have to be lucky, because you can do it from 1600 NCoins too, but you can buy 160k NCoins too and won't get better than a +5 or +6.
But, atleast these peoples will turn their money to the NCwest they will have less money to buy adena from farmers.
The adena farmer will stay on the servers until they can sell their adena, when they won't be able sell it they will go away without a word.
The, DEWR and DEAR item shop stuffs, I guess was more unfair as these shirts, because there the enchanted item didn't become to +0 when the enchant process was fail.
If the NC would sell only cosmetic stuffs just a low amount of incomes they would have.
These stuffs make them money, but they should try to a find a limit example, you can buy 30 Power shirt enchant scrolls for one account in a month or totally.
Or the Items what was enchanted with l2 store dewr dear will become to item what "cannot be exchanged".
Alas I cannot control all changes and decisions made for the game. But I assure you that I am doing my job of reporting all your feedback to the executives so that the community's reaction is clearly heard. I understand that this item and some others new to the store are a bit controversial, and that is why I am careful to collect all the individual opinions about it and report them to my superiors.
Yea, I know, and I was wrong for accusing you and Juji(?) of such things.
The fact of the matter remains, as you gather information we've had Destruction R scrolls, now Dyes and super shirts, over powered buff pets (rose essence), ect.
These things are STILL being added, and still effecting the vast majority of your population negatively.
Think about it. If you have a few people dropping a few thousand dollars for red gear/whatever other P2W item you guys add, vs the masses that contribute, what would you have?
When the mass of people who would spend money every month leaves, there goes the majority of your population, and so does your job with the game. Those few people you're appeasing with their big credit cards wont keep your game afloat.
i know isnt the right thread but now it also have a new powerlvling way for "paytowin" guys with the kartia dugeon reset pass, they alteast have cooldown??? cuz it dont say anything in the pass. gogogo lets do kartia solo whole day!
IMO (and I've said this before) it's just a bone they throw to keep those who are buying NCcoins satisfied, at the expense of all the others. And the free PC Points are a joke. There's some kind of trend with them giving out free items/events so that they can dish out these buy-only items. It's disgusting.
The only way to fix all that's happened since F2P launch is to open new servers, with paid subscription only and no NC store BS. But that's not going to happen anytime soon and we already see clans moving back to their private servers. And don't flame me for that ffs.. less players = less revenue + dead servers.
What L2 once was is now dead, that's all.
PS: Is this just another 'Working as intended' thread? 'cause it looks like one.
bought 1600 NCcoin. ($20)
spent the 800 coin to get the shirt and the other 800 to get 10 blessed scrolls.
i used 7 of those scrolls and now i have a +6 shirt. good enough for me.
Alas I cannot control all changes and decisions made for the game. But I assure you that I am doing my job of reporting all your feedback to the executives so that the community's reaction is clearly heard. I understand that this item and some others new to the store are a bit controversial, and that is why I am careful to collect all the individual opinions about it and report them to my superiors.
So, what you're saying is:
The executives have clearly heard how "controversial" it's been to have added pay-to-win items in the past.
And their reaction to how the community generally doesn't like how unfair these pay-to-win items are is to introduce more pay-to-win items?
If they're just going to ignore what you tell them (our feedback) and go ahead with their plans anyway, what's the point of forwarding our feedback in the first place? And if forwarding our feedback is as pointless as it evidently and demonstratively has been over the last 8 years up until now, what's the purpose of your job beyond censoring forum posts?
In the past I bought enough ewr-d to make a +15 weapon, and even I have to say, this is getting rediculous. You already had enchant weapon destructions....that was unfair, even though i took advantage of it....but more? NcSoft is making this game so fail, its fun right now, but its slowly becoming pay2win.
Sace, I figured since you didn't make this choice you cant explain 100% every aspect why NcSoft did this, but explain some of the reasoning
i read that you can buy Power Shirt Enchant Scroll in Paddie on Fantasy Isle.
but only "donator" can have the Power Shirt?...
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THEY ARE INSANE!?!?!
Q: Aren't there premium, VIP, or similar account types?
A: No, everyone plays for free, and we consider all of our players VIPs! If you are looking for additional gameplay benefits, some convenience items, vanity items, and packs are available for purchase in the L2 Store.
truly-free LOL... a totally pay-to-win
with te miraculuos valentine cake I kept quiet but I'm sick
say I cry or whatever you want, but I do not care, because this is a ****
I could have sworn this game was supposed to be fair for all players. I definitely recall NCSoft stating that RMT was illegal because it causes an unfair advantage. So where the **** do you guys get off selling the Power Shirts and claim it's any sort of fairness? Give me back the $15 a month so kids who used to donate on private servers can get the **** out of this game and make it fair for all players cuz this L2 Store ends the game. It is seriously nothing more than donator heaven. Where does it seem fair that unless you donate, you NEED a +10 Power Shirt in order to compete in pvp? Please tell me this, Sace. Inform ALL OF US as to how this is fair to all players in this game when, with enough money in real life, you can get:
+3 CON/STR/MEN/INT and +2 WIT/DEX
+7 speed
+41.3 crit dmg
+20 magic crit
+93 physical skill damage
3% skill MP consumption reduction
Active 7 second invulnerability.
Where is there fairness that NCSoft so gracefully put on us when saying RMT was illegal because it made the game unfair? Because this is going to kill the game. You realize that, right?
I'm sure if they continue this way, they will lose the players gained in the last months.
I've already noticed a drop of 1k players on Naia in the last month...
Think carefully at what your doing NCSoft!
Why not make an item in game similar to this just a boss drop or something, not this one that forces the players to buy... The "Truly Free" part is in the playing not the winning!!!
what used to bring the great unbalance in the past from rmt/botting is NOTHING comparing to Ncwest coin shop!
Atleast with rmt,you could stay legit and make your efforts ingame to achieve the lvls/items you had to have,even after years.
With coin shop,every month they introduce stuff that cant be achieved inside game and wont be in coin shop in the next months,so its a 1 time opportunity to buy or stay without this item/stats for ever!
Do people in Ncwest honnestly think average player can afford to pay 2-3k $/e every month?
It will be only the same 20-30 players in the server that will give the big cash and the rest of players who may had in mind to do some shopping with coins for fun and boost xp they will completly stop buying anything,because it doesnt make anysense anymore of trying for anything when you see you will be left without items for ever.
what used to bring the great unbalance in the past from rmt/botting is NOTHING comparing to Ncwest coin shop!
Atleast with rmt,you could stay legit and make your efforts ingame to achieve the lvls/items you had to have,even after years.
With coin shop,every month they introduce stuff that cant be achieved inside game and wont be in coin shop in the next months,so its a 1 time opportunity to buy or stay without this item/stats for ever!
Do people in Ncwest honnestly think average player can afford to pay 2-3k $/e every month?
It will be only the same 20-30 players in the server that will give the big cash and the rest of players who may had in mind to do some shopping with coins for fun and boost xp they will completly stop buying anything,because it doesnt make anysense anymore of trying for anything when you see you will be left without items for ever.
NCSOFT is the new RMT tycoon... Its a FACT :mad::eek:
Well, in fact I'm kinda disappointed by one thing : you can't get this item ingame by a non RMT way.
Mounts / Agathion / Hair accessory : you can't get them ingame too without the shop, but they are not affecting gameplay.
Such shirts well, kinda weird. Of course people will hardly go beside +8 but still, it's the mentality behind the sell which derange me.
You can't imagine how it feel to stay behind others, behind friends when you see them spending tons of cash and going away when you can do nothing but staying where you are.
i read that you can buy Power Shirt Enchant Scroll in Paddie on Fantasy Isle.
but only "donator" can have the Power Shirt?...
awesome stats btw but ...
This is retail. There are no donators.
I can almost feel the amount of hypocrisy in this thread slapping my face through the monitor.
Learn to stand by your beliefs, not just say it's wrong and then go with the crowd.
If you wnat NC to TAKE ACTION AGAINST this don't support it for common sense's sake you little mongrels. Or it will just turn into a major stupid commercial success which will result in THOUSANDS and MILLIONS of other similar NCshop adds. Is that what you want?
NCsoft just lacks respect for the people. Selling an item such as that is one thing. Betting on the little emo kids who won't give it up until they make it +10 spending hundreds of dollar is a totally different thing.
Will this shirt make a "game change" at a global dimension? I don't think so. It will make a gamechange for the individual, OFC. Which is why individuals will push it to OE it. Otherwise, the chance of one single person not using this shirt to meet up ONLY people who use this invincibility skill is just.... absurd.
I can afford different game improvement packs, but not even stabbed to death will I purchase this shameful joke of a pack to support an incompetent management and a disgraceful practice.
Hmmmm lets see...i started the official server like 2 weeks ago because it's "truly free"...after this shirt i realised how ****ed up is this L2 Store...didn't search what other items exist there so i didn't realise about those GOD scrolls and stuff....after this shirt that you can ONLY buy with $$ it's so obvious that this is one more private server with no balance in donations...i've seen privates with better balance at what they give...!!!So first scrolls,dyes now shirt...next thing will be even worst thats why i will probably stop playing this moment with my friends that started together and try something else!
its with this kind of bs that the game will die...again...and this time for ever!
because no one will come to join when you try another ninja resurection...like trully free trully no imba donation trully balanced?? lol
we have been here for years, and nothing good was really done about this game. And dont come with the excuse that is NCeast that makes the rules, if you cared enough with some pressure some thing would have changed with all this years
Many players already left, many are slowly leaving, 1 by 1...servers will become lighter until just a few will stay!
history teach us that some events tend to be repeated...
but...hey!! keep up the awasing job!
gg, QQ, kkthxbb, bla bla bla
I hate to switch my point of view but I really think this is a genious idea. People need to relax until they actually know entirely how the shirt CS works. I personally really think that the most important stats are the runspeed for olympiad. One CS an oly day isnt the end of the world. Even in class based, he might win one match because of it, but if your better you will win the next 3 so it wont matter.
It scales well, I know several that have paid nearing the thousands already and have nothing better then a +7 to show for it. And this is stair-casing until a new high shirt is reached and replacing an old one. Realisticly to go 8 and 9 you would have to multiple your investment by a hundred.. who wants to spend a hundred thousand dollars on a shirt? Maybe one guy.. lol.. the rest of us will gamble a few hundreds here and there and maybe ONE of the entire community will get a +9.
If people are willing to spend $1000 in the space of a day for NC coin then let them, yes of course it does create unbalance, but this is how the world works.
You know IRL i can't go to the local food shop with under £5 in my pocket now...
The world would stop spinning without our money... So yes NC is in with the crowd and how the world works. When business is bad you have to at least try to get something out of it. Nothing anyone does in this world will ever make everyone happy. The game may be advertised as F2P, but something i've always been taught & told is that nothing in life is FREE.
I strongly believe in life you win & you lose some.
Ppl really should realize, that most of ppl can get to +6, +7 max, when they are extremely lucky. I saw SS of +7 shirt on second try...
I tried about 25 times and had only +5 max, no +6. So the chance is not like "Wow, Ill pay few bucks and I will rule the server, oh yeah, come on"...
And realize also one thing - NCwest is company, company needs profit to survive. You really think that they will profit from few agathions and hats? No, serious. They must offer interesting things which ppl will buy. And thanks to these "donators", you all can play for free.
Anyways, you can disagree, but there's nothing you can do with it...
The funniest part is NC's expectation that players cash out hundreds of dollars each month to stay competitive in an 8 year old game. Whether it's this shirt, destruction scrolls or xp runes, it's still an old and dying game.
15$/month for TERA will be a pleasure to pay, remembering how horrible your so called F2P is.
The player count is already down to 15k, from 35 in December. Do your own math NC.
The player count is already down to 15k, from 35 in December. Do your own math NC.
That isn't anything special. Ppl just realized that they don't like it, whether they quit due to slow exp, new game mechanisms, lot of bots, full login server, etc.
I hate to switch my point of view but I really think this is a genious idea. People need to relax until they actually know entirely how the shirt CS works. I personally really think that the most important stats are the runspeed for olympiad. One CS an oly day isnt the end of the world. Even in class based, he might win one match because of it, but if your better you will win the next 3 so it wont matter.
It scales well, I know several that have paid nearing the thousands already and have nothing better then a +7 to show for it. And this is stair-casing until a new high shirt is reached and replacing an old one. Realisticly to go 8 and 9 you would have to multiple your investment by a hundred.. who wants to spend a hundred thousand dollars on a shirt? Maybe one guy.. lol.. the rest of us will gamble a few hundreds here and there and maybe ONE of the entire community will get a +9.
I dont know what formulas you used or on what your theory is based but i can tell you i already know 2 people with +8 and several other with +7. Probably a lot more that i dont know about. And that is on just 1 of the servers in not even 1 day since the event started.
U can try to defend nc soft as much as you want, the bottom line is its the 3rd and by far the biggest mistake that they did regarding the whole donation shop
They are even worse than a private server regarding this matter, at least private servers have the decency to put up a list of items that can be bought, unlike NCsoft that does this huge propaganda about how Free the game is and then weeks later when people are hooked on the game they slowly start selling ways/items that unbalance the server so much pvp wise that its becoming complete disgrace to the company name.
So, NC, where is this "truly free" gameplay, where everyone gets the same improvements from in-game items only and the cash shop is for vanity and vitality items? The destructo-scrolls were already bad, but this... this is ridiculous. I don't care if only .5% of the players have such a OE'ed shirt, it's a HUGE advantage for pay-to-win players compared to the truly-free-suckers.
But I guess I should have seen it coming. After all, the vast majority of the playerbase which plays for free or for maybe $10 every few months doesn't matter compared to the few players per server that fork out 2k, 5k, 10k+ per year. And those exist in every pay-to-win game, however cheap and boring it is. Even if hundreds or thousands of F2P players ragequit over such a change, it's a good trade for NC. They will make more money overall with less "spam-players" that only clog up their servers and yield little to no profit - with just a few golden cash-cows.
That's F2P for you. If there's a pay-to-win way, however costly, there will be people that throw ridiculous amounts of money at the game to achieve it; the only way to avoid this would be for the selling company to limit itself to vanity and xp-items. But that would be more work with less pay-off, so no serious game company will leave it at that.
That isn't anything special. Ppl just realized that they don't like it, whether they quit due to slow exp, new game mechanisms, lot of bots, full login server, etc.
They just tried and left, common practice.
You're right, this ain't something special, it's just history repeating it self. Back then it was bots+NCSoft ingnorance towards community. Now, people get annoyed by more factors - sum up overpopulation, bots, server lags, crappy support and pay2win and NC will be left again with 2 half dead servers.
Me and some of my friends left PS 2008 and play official since then. Our current expierience is that of a really badly hosted l2j server back in the days. We've tested TERA cbt last weekend and it looks promising, considering the current state of affairs in L2.
Sace and NCSoft, when u launched the "truly free campaign" imo you see how many players around the world gathered here.
Now, you will make as all leave because of that OP items you sell in store.
Instead of selling those OP items, make a poll here on forum or make a survey and let us (the community) give our opinions.
And when you feel like quiting after harmony update ... now ...
Pros
-Fun game
Cons
-Bots
-Pay2Win
-Lack of Support
-3rd party pvp programs
-RMT
-Unplayable sieges
-Unannounced Reboots
-Ninja Paches / Updates
-Lag in general
-A huge amount of bugs
-Non-Perma bans to exploiters
-Unfair decisions all the time
-Time Consuming model
It's unbelieveble how L2 turned.It's a serious "pay to win" private server now.Who more can pay better will be.When you were about to launch GOD and f2p you clearly said that you were not going to put any unbalancing item in the store.We all can clearly see how true that was.After the DEWR,DEAR (and the many +16 weapons /+6 sets made)now you put such OP shirt.I can understand that to gain money the company needs to put something interesting in the store,but interesting includes also items that unbalance terribly the game?Chance or not with money you give to ppl chance to be better than others paying real money.
Are we kidding?If ncsoft would realy care for players and less for money they should istantly remove this shirt from the game,giving a compensation with nc coins to ppl who bought it and scrolls and NEVER ever put such OP items in store anymore.But this won't happen..Next month what we will see?a R belt where u can put ornament with such op effects?Or maybe an item to increase your lv by 1?Or maybe a special item to put PVP on R sets/armors?I seriously hope to see more care from the ncsoft team for the players fair play than the money gain.
For 8 years now.. my biggest gaming related wish was Blizzard buying NcSoft, fire all the incompetent people that manage business there and put their staff in charge.
Lineage 2 under Blizzard management....what gamers utopia
For 8 years now.. my biggest gaming related wish was Blizzard buying NcSoft, fire all the incompetent people that manage business there and put their staff in charge.
Lineage 2 under Blizzard management....what gamers utopia
They continue to go down the slippery slope. They've smelled the money. Now they will continue to push it untill their game is only played by those who continue sinking money in it and a continuously renewing generation of new players coming to check the game out before leaving again.
It is no matter how much it would theoreticly cost to get this specific item (someone will pay it), what matters is that it clearly shows where NCSoft is going with this game.
There are game companies that adopt this payment model and do their best to run in with minimal impact to game play/balance. And there are those that will sell the most messed up pay-to-win stuff for the most insane prices and are just set on milking their community dry as thoroughly as possible.
All I have to say is I agree with all the comments here about the shirt being unfair but what is most unfair is the fact that normal people who can't afford to spend as much on L2Store can never get the chance to own a shirt or even participate on this event without spending any money which clearly falls in controversy with the "truly free" idea of GoD. This is supposed to be an event for all the server's community and not only a small percentage that purchases the pack.
You could add shirts from a daily quest (untradable of course) and let people use normal enchants or buy blessed enchants from L2Store. This way everybody would be happy since everyone is given a chance to become stronger and even with the rest and they might even purchase themselves some blessed scrolls.
Again, it's supposed to be an event for the players to enjoy, not rip them off their wallets.
I didn't know official server would be such a disappointment for me.
You could add shirts from a daily quest (untradable of course) and let people use normal enchants or buy blessed enchants from L2Store.
You optimist! Ppl will complain everytime, like we Czech say... "Není na světě člověk ten, aby se zavděčil lidem všem", which means "You can't please everyone."
There would be ton of ppl arguing why they can't get Blessed Enchants in game, etc.
For 8 years now.. my biggest gaming related wish was Blizzard buying NcSoft, fire all the incompetent people that manage business there and put their staff in charge.
Lineage 2 under Blizzard management....what gamers utopia
mmm i dont think so, im a big fan of Blizzard but whit the shi* they did to Diablo 3...
and BTW they takes 25 year in make a game :eek:
You optimist! Ppl will complain everytime, like we Czech say... "Není na světě člověk ten, aby se zavděčil lidem všem", which means "You can't please everyone."
There would be ton of ppl arguing why they can't get Blessed Enchants in game, etc.
Its not about pleasing everyone. They should focus on pleasing the majority, and at this point everyone is raging at them for this bull**** that they are turning this game into.
It is clear that the whole community disagrees with this 'pay to win' policy they are enforcing on us after their 'Free to play / no items to unbalance the game' propaganda. You can see people complaining in clan/ally chat/forums/vent/TS etc but with no effect...not even 1 announcemet or apology or any attempt to redeem themselves
It is clear the community is going on a downward path number wise after each greedy event, people that dont donate get frustrated they cant compete with the cash cows that ncsoft is milking and quit...Dont forget many cash cows play with friends that dont donate, when friends quit, they also quit. You dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out
I am starting to believe more and more that NCSoft`s plan was to cash in as much as possible in 6-8 months and then abandon the project, threatened by the big names coming out this summer
I'm surprised the shirt with the methods and requirements to enchant it are admissable under NA and EU gambling/fair practise laws.
Enchanting is a highly addictive and manipulative gambling system. This is especially true when it's executed in the way they have with these shirts where you are gambling through RL money.
I'm surprised the shirt with the methods and requirements to enchant it are admissable under NA and EU gambling/fair practise laws.
Enchanting is a highly addictive and manipulative gambling system. This is especially true when it's executed in the way they have with these shirts where you are gambling through RL money.
Something tells me they don't consider these things ... quick, someone sue them :p
If you work, you have money and you can buy whatever you want.
You pay money to gamble basically, so dunno, but as far as I know laws on gambling are really strict and perhaps the game minimal age needs to be changed to 21+
On topic now, I consider buying the shirt and making it +6. But it clearly is OP and well what is next? The game element gets destroyed because L2 is all about the equipment. Even if you can obtain it through the game it is too much power and all together no amount of skill can beat it.
To all the people opening their mouth without thinking /testing stuff .
Enchanting a shirt over +6 is very rare even if you use a few thousand NC coins.
You can realistically enchant a shirt to +6 for about the cost of 20$/euro(depending on the region).Which is the subscription you would normally pay for this game give or take some $ .
So ,
a) Rest assured you wont see a lot of guys running around with more than +6 shirts ( even if you do , the bonuses are not that greatly better from the +6 mark)
b) Add to the above the limit for purchasing NC Coins is low to even attempt more and with Aion going F2P , good luck finding timecards.
c) You wont have to spend more than 20$( if you are not extremely unlucky),for your own +6.
There you have it , dont be cheap and dont whine for stuff like that.
To all the people opening their mouth without thinking /testing stuff .
Enchanting a shirt over +6 is very rare even if you use a few thousand NC coins.
You can realistically enchant a shirt to +6 for about the cost of 20$/euro(depending on the region).Which is the subscription you would normally pay for this game give or take some $ .
So ,
a) Rest assured you wont see a lot of guys running around with more than +6 shirts ( even if you do , the bonuses are not that greatly better from the +6 mark)
b) Add to the above the limit for purchasing NC Coins is low to even attempt more and with Aion going F2P , good luck finding timecards.
c) You wont have to spend more than 20$( if you are not extremely unlucky),for your own +6.
There you have it , dont be cheap and dont whine for stuff like that.
You are clueless...i posted a +7 shirt screen 1hour after servers went up, by this morning i saw 2 ppl with 7 and 2 people with +8 shirt...imagine how many more are out there by now on all the servers.
Actually i thinks L2 Store haves too few items, if their going to suport the game only with that incomes NC need to put most effort into sell things (especially vanity items). Compare NC galleria with NX o PWI stores and u will see how empty it is.
I do not suport sell disbalancing items but its normal that the items must have some benefits to the P2P Playes. P2P playes (specially those how are will to pay 1k$ for a shirt) deserves at least some good stats.
I hope NC includes more variety in the L2 Store, more perm decoration items (time expiration items just sucks :confused:) and some of then are just ugly (form last update i just likes the mask but Red? :S ).
Think NcSoft is doing big misstakes with these kinda items. Other games like D3 and Tera is comming out and we already know that many people will leave for that. Think this kinda items is gonna make even more people leave. I noticed in past month that a lot of players already left on Naia.
So in my party i'm a nuker... the 2nd nuker in my party (real life friend) already have a +15 Apo caster + TW set and have stock 150 + of each destruction scroll for the lvl 99 gear. and now he macking shirt +10 he will probably have it by the end of the day because since got he spend around 50k on all he'S account but he don'T mind because he make 18-20 kk USD a years...
For my self i don'T mind since when he get to 99 i will en up with the +15 weapon... but ppl can't compete against him and the funniest thing is that he's a causal player not really interested in l2, he's just playing to pwn ppl...
So in my party i'm a nuker... the 2nd nuker in my party (real life friend) already have a +15 Apo caster + TW set and have stock 150 + of each destruction scroll for the lvl 99 gear. and now he macking shirt +10 he will probably have it by the end of the day because since got he spend around 50k on all he'S account but he don'T mind because he make 18-20 kk USD a years...
For my self i don'T mind since when he get to 99 i will en up with the +15 weapon... but ppl can't compete against him and the funniest thing is that he's a causal player not really interested in l2, he's just playing to pwn ppl...
wait wait wait, if he's only making 18,000 to 20,000 dollars a year why is he blowing 50,000 dollars in a game!? this is just bad economics if you ask me
wait wait wait, if he's only making 18,000 to 20,000 dollars a year why is he blowing 50,000 dollars in a game!? this is just bad economics if you ask me
I dont know about other servers but i can say that on Shilien, 2 weeks ago u had to pvp and win a room in Harnak to be able to XP...but now...u can even find free rooms in harnak3...
Top players are selling their chars, some quit, some go back to private servers that are still not GoD but at least they are fair ...the point is for every new player that comes more than 1 leaves the game, and its happening at an alarmingly fast pace.
I am certain this is the 2nd beginning of the end for this game.
It is actually quite sad how something that started out so promising and looked like a rebirth of the game could be torn down so fast by a few unprofessional guys running the management team
Just so i know a stupid shirt that gives:
+3 con,men,str,int and +2 wit, dex
speed, decreased mp comsumption, physical skill damage, criti damage and m critical rate
and to complete it all 7 seconds invencibility skills
is this another item from the series that DO NOT affect gameplay?
Weren't the destruction scroll up to +15 enough to destroy the balance?
from my point of view i have two choices
1- become rich so i can pay for this itens and see other people QQ about how unfair it is
2- quit the game
i'll try to get rich, i'll let you know how this goes
You are clueless...i posted a +7 shirt screen 1hour after servers went up, by this morning i saw 2 ppl with 7 and 2 people with +8 shirt...imagine how many more are out there by now on all the servers.
Tbh , YOU are clue-less , I backed what I said with a few hundred $ worth of testing of my own , you are the one speaking out of your *** here just based on what you saw on some random guy.The facts I posted still stay true , infact I dare you to find one of the things I posted as wrong.By the way even if 50people get +8 or better shirts on every server , and assuming only 4000 people is the active population of each server , those 50 people will still be the 0.0125% percentage of the total . I can re-assure you though that you WONT have 50 people on each server with this shirt over+8 (+6 & +7 is essentially the same , only +8 makes a difference if you are a nuker).
TLDR ; Try again.
Just so i know a stupid shirt that gives:
+3 con,men,str,int and +2 wit, dex
speed, decreased mp comsumption, physical skill damage, criti damage and m critical rate
and to complete it all 7 seconds invencibility skills
is this another item from the series that DO NOT affect gameplay?
Weren't the destruction scroll up to +15 enough to destroy the balance?
from my point of view i have two choices
1- become rich so i can pay for this itens and see other people QQ about how unfair it is
2- quit the game
i'll try to get rich, i'll let you know how this goes
To solve this , if you are a support char a +5 shirt is just fine and should suffice , with a little luck 1200 coins may even be enough for that.
IF you are a dd char a +6 is enough and 2000-2400 should be enough for that too.
The equivalent of the above is less than what you would pay for 1 month of p2p L2 or 2 months respectively , so yes you dont have to be rich to afford those.
Tbh , YOU are clue-less , I backed what I said with a few hundred $ worth of testing of my own , you are the one speaking out of your *** here just based on what you saw on some random guy.The facts I posted still stay true , infact I dare you to find one of the things I posted as wrong.By the way even if 50people get +8 or better shirts on every server , and assuming only 4000 people is the active population of each server , those 50 people will still be the 0.0125% percentage of the total . I can re-assure you though that you WONT have 50 people on each server with this shirt over+8 (+6 & +7 is essentially the same , only +8 makes a difference if you are a nuker).
TLDR ; Try again.
What makes you think people are just buying one shirt? You think people don't have multi accounts? There is in game Adena to be made by selling enchants for the shirt ridiculous prices, already see people selling the regular enchant scrolls for 400k-700k, it's called the unexpected, other than that I don't even understand what your point is.. The shirt is overpowered because you are not able to get from quest or mobs.
Just so i know a stupid shirt that gives:
+3 con,men,str,int and +2 wit, dex
speed, decreased mp comsumption, physical skill damage, criti damage and m critical rate
and to complete it all 7 seconds invencibility skills
is this another item from the series that DO NOT affect gameplay?
Weren't the destruction scroll up to +15 enough to destroy the balance?
from my point of view i have two choices
1- become rich so i can pay for this itens and see other people QQ about how unfair it is
2- quit the game
i'll try to get rich, i'll let you know how this goes
NCWest giving us, as an option to recover the balance:
Bot+adena pickup+selling the adena+ncoin buy :confused:
or better stop selling unbalanced VIP ITEMS
Tbh , YOU are clue-less , I backed what I said with a few hundred $ worth of testing of my own , you are the one speaking out of your *** here just based on what you saw on some random guy.The facts I posted still stay true , infact I dare you to find one of the things I posted as wrong.By the way even if 50people get +8 or better shirts on every server , and assuming only 4000 people is the active population of each server , those 50 people will still be the 0.0125% percentage of the total . I can re-assure you though that you WONT have 50 people on each server with this shirt over+8 (+6 & +7 is essentially the same , only +8 makes a difference if you are a nuker).
TLDR ; Try again.
Sounds to me like you are mad cuz u spent hundreds of $ and didnt get ****, while others got +7/8 with a lot less
Tough luck buddy! i would love to play poker with you and other stupid and gullible people like you ... oh i`m sorry did i say stupid?! i wanted to say generous...my mistake
Anyhow...its not important if 1 person out of 10.000 has it or if its 90% of the community that has it. The fact of the matter is that it is a custom made item that unbalances the PvP aspect of the game, not to mention it has a carefully hidden gambling for irl cash scheme built into it
Just so i know a stupid shirt that gives:
+3 con,men,str,int and +2 wit, dex
speed, decreased mp comsumption, physical skill damage, criti damage and m critical rate
and to complete it all 7 seconds invencibility skills
is this another item from the series that DO NOT affect gameplay?
Weren't the destruction scroll up to +15 enough to destroy the balance?
from my point of view i have two choices
1- become rich so i can pay for this itens and see other people QQ about how unfair it is
2- quit the game
i'll try to get rich, i'll let you know how this goes
its more like quit the game go get rich and come back...
-oh w8 now that im rich the game is dead...
-oh awesome L2 is going to rebirth in a Trully free Trully no donation...
Thats not a game for me...now im rich and i want to spent my money in op items to own the poor ppl :D
I dont know about other servers but i can say that on Shilien, 2 weeks ago u had to pvp and win a room in Harnak to be able to XP...but now...u can even find free rooms in harnak3...
Top players are selling their chars, some quit, some go back to private servers that are still not GoD but at least they are fair ...the point is for every new player that comes more than 1 leaves the game, and its happening at an alarmingly fast pace.
I am certain this is the 2nd beginning of the end for this game.
It is actually quite sad how something that started out so promising and looked like a rebirth of the game could be torn down so fast by a few unprofessional guys running the management team
You do realize that as people level up they can actually go to NEW AREAS? Harnack 3 is useless past 90-91, there's a whole new area to go to at that point, so no, people aren't quitting, they are leveling and leaving the "newbie" areas
"NOTICE:
Any items purchased with NCoin may be discontinued, modified or removed at any time.
By clicking the buy button, you are agreeing to the following terms and conditions:
The item cannot be redeemed for cash, returned for a refund, exchanged, or redeemed for other items except as otherwise permitted by NCsoft and the terms of the Lineage ® II User Agreement. (http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/user-agreements/lineage-2-user-agreement.html)"
So we have a chance to be heard, they can remove this from the game at any time....let's ask for it. Instead of paying more and more to get a good shirt, stop giving them money until they realize this is not fair and IT IS AFFECTING THE GAMEPLAY!
I won't quit, not for now, but i won't give you greedy ppl a single 1$...i like this game, but...u keep messing it.
You do realize that as people level up they can actually go to NEW AREAS? Harnack 3 is useless past 90-91, there's a whole new area to go to at that point, so no, people aren't quitting, they are leveling and leaving the "newbie" areas
actually people are quitting!
im one of the last from my "crew" that joined the game, and seriously thinking to leave too...
My friendlist from other people that i keep meeting ingame is becoming day by day with less online people!
The last clan i joined said on their forum that they will quit!
"NOTICE:
Any items purchased with NCoin may be discontinued, modified or removed at any time.
By clicking the buy button, you are agreeing to the following terms and conditions:
The item cannot be redeemed for cash, returned for a refund, exchanged, or redeemed for other items except as otherwise permitted by NCsoft and the terms of the Lineage ® II User Agreement. (http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/user-agreements/lineage-2-user-agreement.html)"
So we have a chance to be heard, they can remove this from the game at any time....let's ask for it. Instead of paying more and more to gt a good shirt, stop giving them money until they realize this is not fair and IT IS AFFECTING THE GAMEPLAY!
I won't quit, not for now, but i won't give you greedy BAS*($#@ a single 1$. And yes, rage...i like this game, but...u keep messing it.
It's OK, someone will "pay your bills". Just say "thanks" to ppl, who buy lot of items and sponsors your free playing :)
btw - that sentence is common practice, just in case. It doesn't mean, they will remove it, BUT it can happen. Also your account can be banned, or US can be bombed by Iraq and server data can be lost, with your account ofc. So don't make drama about some sentence.
It's OK, someone will "pay your bills". Just say "thanks" to ppl, who buy lot of items and sponsors your free playing :)
btw - that sentence is common practice, just in case. It doesn't mean, they will remove it, BUT it can happen. Also your account can be banned, or US can be bombed by Iraq and server data can be lost, with your account ofc. So don't make drama about some sentence.
WTF?
Didn't you get it? PROTEST. As you all have seen the past years, complaining on forums is useless, ppl like Sace give their superiors our feedback and they do nothing, so? Complaining/feedback didn't work..isn't it obvious? So what? we cry? quit? No, we can protest in a way that affects their pockets/bank accs. Not forever, just until they do as we wish.
And read the post again, i didn't say they will remove, i said they MAY do it, MAYBE... but keep standing here crying on forums will not force them to do it.
Here is what i said:
"So we have a chance to be heard"
I personal like this shirt
so what if Ncsoft making money from it?
do u guys really think that in this world there is something truly free
dream on guys
even if ncsoft dont charge u guys for monthly fee
they still have to find some way to gain money
if not who do u think will pay for ncsoft employees? u? ofc not
so quit complain and accept it kid
I personal like this shirt
so what if Ncsoft making money from it?
do u guys really think that in this world there is something truly free
dream on guys
even if ncsoft dont charge u guys for monthly fee
they still have to find some way to gain money
if not who do u think will pay for ncsoft employees? u? ofc not
so quit complain and accept it kid
I'm not usually posting on forums, because I like to keep most of my thoughts to myself. However, I've heard more and more discussions between players who are seriously thinking of leaving the game, so I thought I'd take a look at this Power Shirt : and yes, it makes the game unfair.
I must admit I understand the need of a game to produce money, but this can be done in a way that won't imbalance the gameplay and won't affect the free players (selling mounts, costumes,XP boosts, etc.).
I can afford paying,so this is not an issue in my case, however I'd rather take my wife out for a movie or buy her a nice gift with the money I'd otherwise spend for a bunch of pixels on a screen. I would however pay to support the company, in order to show my respect and my appreciation, but I would never pay for something that will make me the best in the detriment of other players who can't afford or don't want to pay.
The voice of the community has clearly made its point, and I think it should be taken into consideration by NCSOFT's managers.
I must admit I understand the need of a game to produce money, but this can be done in a way that won't imbalance the gameplay and won't affect the players.
Sry, I must awake you from your dream... Ppl won't buy useless items. Ppl are buying items for real cash to have some advantage, not to have cute kitty hat, or whatever.
Sry, I must awake you from your dream... Ppl won't buy useless items. Ppl are buying items for real cash to have some advantage, not to have cute kitty hat, or whatever.
I completely agree (I forgot to add the word "Free", but I've corrected that error). I wouldn't buy useless things either, but I would buy things to shorten the grind and increase the XP percent I gain.
Sry, I must awake you from your dream... Ppl won't buy useless items. Ppl are buying items for real cash to have some advantage, not to have cute kitty hat, or whatever.
+1 for this
not talking about other since I dont know them
but for myself if they wont sell this shirt I dont think I will spend more money on ncoin
and yes this is life
and in life NOTHING is FAIR
the main reason i don't buy useless items...
inventory space.
we're limited to so many slots.
even in out warehouse.
so if you get a lot of non tradeable items, you end up with less, and less space for your important items.
after so many old events, i have a lot of non tradeable items.
so many, why would i buy more when i don't have enough space as is?
this power shirt though...
takes up a slot which would normally give me an extra 600 cp or so.
completely worth it.
unfortunately, it hurts the game a lot to have uber power shirts available to those willing to pay, and for anyone who has mastered the luck aspect of Korean random.
i think they should increase the warehouse size just to compensate for all the non tradeable cosmetic stuff. more people might buy...
because looks are everything.
Power t-shirt and real adena is gone, due to really imppossible rates set. Couldnt Get +5.
Same with our friends. The idea to purchase +10 t-shirts is great but then lots of people with no money will complain. it's always the case u have 3 parties in L2, and any combination of them. You have no lifers who play 24/7 they rock - i feel sorry for their health but NCSOFT love them, most of these guys won't spend real $. The other extreme is NOT Donators its rather botters. They are the ones with the MOST unfair advantage. Especially if they have been doing so through the years. they have billions +++. Donators might have 1 +15 sword big deal. a bot will always own u. especially in group pvp.
Basically dont blame or fight each other.
All people are greedy, thats what drives the desire to do well, to make money etc
Tearing each other appart doesn' do too much. It's a game.
Sounds to me like you are mad cuz u spent hundreds of $ and didnt get ****, while others got +7/8 with a lot less
Anyhow...its not important if 1 person out of 10.000 has it or if its 90% of the community that has it. The fact of the matter is that it is a custom made item that unbalances the PvP aspect of the game, not to mention it has a carefully hidden gambling for irl cash scheme built into it
I actually spent like 200-300 for the shirt to see the chances of it going close to +9-10 , nothing tragic ( at least to what I can afford for a hobby like L2 is). You do realize that the advantages of +7 are barely non-existent and the +8 only gives nukers a slight improvement to a +6 due to the mcritical bonus, and just that , so even if people got those , it wont matter as long as you can pay 20$ and make yourself a +6 ( with a little luck ).
And for the second point , it is too **** important , because for example a newbie in this game ( since you still xp in Harnak ) can rest-assured all the people he will pvp for his spot wont have this shirt past +6 (if that) , so it wont unbalance YOUR pvp aspect . Heck , it wont unbalance anyones even at top clan level pvping , because the advantages of +7-+8 over +6 are just miniscule to even matter.
Tough luck buddy! i would love to play poker with you and other stupid and gullible people like you ... oh i`m sorry did i say stupid?! i wanted to say generous...my mistake
People who payed for everymonth coin shop items,dont buy SOME of them to make let's say +4 armor,they bought as many as it was needed to make +6 their current set and saved as many scrolls needed to make +6 their future set!Same with weapon,noone payed 100$ to make a +7 weap,the ones who payed did it untill they make it +15.Same with bday pots and now with this shirt.A +9 shirt costed 800$ from what i heard.A +15 weap costed 1.800 euro.
And they are exactly the same people who buy all to continue rule,so all these armor/weap/shirt/dyes/lvls stucked together in same toons really leave other players without any hope of gaming.......
I personal like this shirt
so what if Ncsoft making money from it?
do u guys really think that in this world there is something truly free
dream on guys
even if ncsoft dont charge u guys for monthly fee
they still have to find some way to gain money
if not who do u think will pay for ncsoft employees? u? ofc not
so quit complain and accept it kid
yes there are!
Yes i play league of legends, and its free! Truly ****** free! And there is no way to get advantage of other players with market items!
Yes its TRULY FREE and i spend money there!
And no, i wont ever spend a cent in L2 until it is fair!
I just dont like the idea that the money can give you advantage!
I dont like it, i dont support it!
Thats why!
No fair = no money!
So the money i save to spent in games so far are going to Riot Games, because its fair, because i like it that way, because they hear their players, and take good care of them, because we matter!
Because its fun
because...
So to NCsoft until its fair you wont ever even smell my sweet money and those of who share my thoughs
I don't understand how NCsoft can release items like this in the store and still give us a ridiculously low number of Vitality potions we can use each week.
They might as well just begin selling real gear... it's going to happen someday.
The funniest part is NC's expectation that players cash out hundreds of dollars each month to stay competitive in an 8 year old game. Whether it's this shirt, destruction scrolls or xp runes, it's still an old and dying game.
15$/month for TERA will be a pleasure to pay, remembering how horrible your so called F2P is.
The player count is already down to 15k, from 35 in December. Do your own math NC.haha going from one "terrible" game to another terrible game with aimahcks.. Enjoy your new endless grind :P
yes there are!
Yes i play league of legends, and its free! Truly ****** free! And there is no way to get advantage of other players with market items!
Yes its TRULY FREE and i spend money there!
And no, i wont ever spend a cent in L2 until it is fair!
I just dont like the idea that the money can give you advantage!
I dont like it, i dont support it!
Thats why!
No fair = no money!
So the money i save to spent in games so far are going to Riot Games, because its fair, because i like it that way, because they hear their players, and take good care of them, because we matter!
Because its fun
because...
So to NCsoft until its fair you wont ever even smell my sweet money and those of who share my thoughs
I don't understand how NCsoft can release items like this in the store and still give us a ridiculously low number of Vitality potions we can use each week.
They might as well just begin selling real gear... it's going to happen someday.
Another way to look at this is the money aspect puts those of us who work for a living on par with those unemployed living in their parent's basement playing this game 15 to 20 hours a day
There are those of us who work 40+ hours a week for real money and can spare a bit (maybe not $1,000) but surely $45 or so a month for this game. You can get a +5 shirt with a $20 investment cake. I think the percentages work out to be $70 for a +6 shirt, and if you want to spend that then go for it. Then there are those that are unemployed collecting unemployment checks and/or living in their parents basements playing this game 15 to 20 hours a day. Maybe they can't get the ++ shirts but they probably have enough adena to get lots of other stuff.
So do the folks who work for real money now have an advantage or are just being put on equal footing?
Another view is some people used to spend $120+ a month for 8 to 9 accounts so they can box all the essentials and lvl their toons quicker. They had an advantage then and it's not any different now. Those who were willing to spend $120 a month probably were able to farm more gear, adena and lvl toons quicker, those only willing to spend $15 or $30 for one or two accounts probably had a more difficult time farming those items.
So those who used to spend $15 to $30 for one or two accounts likely are spending that much now on NcCoins. Those who were spending $120 on subscriptions a month are likely spending that much on NcCoins now. It might just have been a bit less transparent before GoD how real money influenced this game.
Another way to look at this is the money aspect puts those of us who work for a living on par with those unemployed living in their parent's basement playing this game 15 to 20 hours a day
There are those of us who work 40+ hours a week for real money and can spare a bit (maybe not $1,000) but surely $45 or so a month for this game. You can get a +5 shirt with a $20 investment cake. I think the percentages work out to be $70 for a +6 shirt, and if you want to spend that then go for it. Then there are those that are unemployed collecting unemployment checks and/or living in their parents basements playing this game 15 to 20 hours a day. Maybe they can't get the ++ shirts but they probably have enough adena to get lots of other stuff.
So do the folks who work for real money now have an advantage or are just being put on equal footing?
Another view is some people used to spend $120+ a month for 8 to 9 accounts so they can box all the essentials and lvl their toons quicker. They had an advantage then and it's not any different now. Those who were willing to spend $120 a month probably were able to farm more gear, adena and lvl toons quicker, those only willing to spend $15 or $30 for one or two accounts probably had a more difficult time farming those items.
So those who used to spend $15 to $30 for one or two accounts likely are spending that much now on NcCoins. Those who were spending $120 on subscriptions a month are likely spending that much on NcCoins now. It might just have been a bit less transparent before GoD how real money influenced this game.
Easy to respond to this, even if people were paying for 22 accounts, everything they can achieve is just at a faster rate. The shirt unless changes are made in the future, is an item that WILL NEVER be able to be gotten by the common player, thus the disadvantage is born.
You guys made me register on the forums for the 1st time even though I have been playing for years.
Lol at some of the reactions. Some of you need a reality check.
FACT 1: This item is not OP. Sure, it gives an edge, but it's not game breaking. If they put a 100% enchant scroll in the store, that's OP and game breaking. The stats bonuses are nice but since they doubled the stats in GD it is not that much of an increase. The other bonuses are negligible, except the run speed and invincibility. Invincibility has a 20h cooldown and probably nobody will get it, so it's a non-factor. I'd say the run speed is the best bonus, but again you can get it very easily at +5.
FACT2: The probability to get to +9 or +10 is RIDICULOUSLY low. Odds are that there will be maybe 1 person per server, no more. So yes that's a fantastic cash machine for NC but I wouldn't worry about game balance.
FACT3: All versions of L2 (Russia, Korea, Japan...) got this shirt for sale a long time ago. If anything, I'd say they did us a favor by selling it so late. If it was game breaking in any way, they'd have found out from the past experiences.
So please stop the crying. This game has been king of ebay and RMT for years (although it became better before GoD launch) so it's not surprising that they are taking advantage of that. And it's perfectly fine.
You guys made me register on the forums for the 1st time even though I have been playing for years.
Lol at some of the reactions. Some of you need a reality check.
FACT 1: This item is not OP. Sure, it gives an edge, but it's not game breaking. If they put a 100% enchant scroll in the store, that's OP and game breaking. The stats bonuses are nice but since they doubled the stats in GD it is not that much of an increase. The other bonuses are negligible, except the run speed and invincibility. Invincibility has a 20h cooldown and probably nobody will get it, so it's a non-factor. I'd say the run speed is the best bonus, but again you can get it very easily at +5.
FACT2: The probability to get to +9 or +10 is RIDICULOUSLY low. Odds are that there will be maybe 1 person per server, no more. So yes that's a fantastic cash machine for NC but I wouldn't worry about game balance.
FACT3: All versions of L2 (Russia, Korea, Japan...) got this shirt for sale a long time ago. If anything, I'd say they did us a favor by selling it so late. If it was game breaking in any way, they'd have found out from the past experiences.
So please stop the crying. This game has been king of ebay and RMT for years (although it became better before GoD launch) so it's not surprising that they are taking advantage of that. And it's perfectly fine.
So because destruction scrolls weren't 100 percent they didn't unbalance the game, i'll tell that to all the +15 weps running around. Na just guaranteeing no broken weapon or loss of enchant is no unbalance, remember this when your 99 and someone has the level 99 gear +15 for wep and +6 for armor, don't cry!
The shirt stacks well with the destruction scrolls also, but yeah it's not op so why are people wasting their money? Easy, it gives a clear advantage...
About the shirt on other servers, fact is was a big topic there also, hence why you know about it..
Would be nice to +Shift+Click on a player and a window of the target's stats would pop up.
P.S. crap some might say...like the Auction System that first was implemented on P.S. then in Korea then here....
Would be nice to distinguish the "donators"
PS. For those that haven't yet understood what a "donator" in L2 is:
Donator in L2 is a person who pays to win. (Pure Sarcasm)
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you, but you don't seriously compete in Oly, so you don't realize that those shirts from +6 on are going to make a real difference. 7 run speed is huge there, and +2 or +3 to each stat does have an impact. If they had made it so this thing couldn't be worn in Oly then I might say w/e, since it'd be ok to have for open field pvp but not that big a deal.
What happens when u also own dion castle, and get the +7 run boost from there. Or tanyor fortress?
those players have 14 more run speed over everyone else!
It's bad enough as a human Aeore that I have the slowest run speed over all races and classes...so now I get to be even slower agenst someone with a power shirt!
But u know what piss me off mostly? that EVEN they GOT $$$$ they dont improve a server!!! Yesterday was some magical day whit no lag BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE **** DAY! FFS IF U EARN CASH IMPROVE GOD **** SERVER!
Most ppl who aint left yet they waitin for some new realeses... And to me l2 is already dead.
So because destruction scrolls weren't 100 percent they didn't unbalance the game, i'll tell that to all the +15 weps running around. Na just guaranteeing no broken weapon or loss of enchant is no unbalance, remember this when your 99 and someone has the level 99 gear +15 for wep and +6 for armor, don't cry!
The shirt stacks well with the destruction scrolls also, but yeah it's not op so why are people wasting their money? Easy, it gives a clear advantage...
About the shirt on other servers, fact is was a big topic there also, hence why you know about it..
*Tactical Facepalm*
RageMore was referring to destruction scrolls for the power shirt, which would mean that it would only a matter of how much $ you can put into this to get a +10 shirt. As it stands right now , even if you had some thousands to blow , you would not be guarranteed to get a shirt past +8 , which in turn has negligible stats more than a +6 shirt that half the people I know got with 2000coins or less.
So those who used to spend $15 to $30 for one or two accounts likely are spending that much now on NcCoins. Those who were spending $120 on subscriptions a month are likely spending that much on NcCoins now. It might just have been a bit less transparent before GoD how real money influenced this game.
I thought that when the announcement to F2P came along. "well I pay £25 a month for the game clients, so I will probably pay that in L2Shop" it will balance out nicely.
But to be brutally honest, there's nothing i have found of interest in there.
I DID buy the initial package with the free vesper weapon (came with 10 scrolls and i have a +7 so far (which I don't actually use)). but my other accounts still have some (800-1000 or so) of the subscription-converted-to-NCCoins coins remaining.
Hello guys.
I am a regular player who sometimes spend (if i want something very much) max 20euro/dollars to get it and i don't think this is bad,because so many people spend about 70 euro per month for a new game for console like Ps3 or their Pc.But this shirt will make Mega-Donators even more powerful.In my opinion to put for example Enchant's of destruction with some expensive pack is ok enough,because most people can't pay 2-3 k dollars to make +15 weapons so the mass will be normal, also they can acquire these by hero treasure box even with low chances.But to get this shirt only by NcStore make it even more unbalanced.I consider now its too late and u can't remove it or make it cheaper,but u still can put it on instances as drop with low chance for example kartia 90 or istina or a new boss who will have *lets say 5-10 % chance to drop it.All of us who spend time on l2 or forums we love this game,if u want to keep this game alive and approve that L2 can stand even against new mmo's please listen to your community and don't turn your people to other titles.Thx for reading. BTw can't wait to try Guild Wars 2 :P
People who payed for everymonth coin shop items,dont buy SOME of them to make let's say +4 armor,they bought as many as it was needed to make +6 their current set and saved as many scrolls needed to make +6 their future set!Same with weapon,noone payed 100$ to make a +7 weap,the ones who payed did it untill they make it +15.Same with bday pots and now with this shirt.A +9 shirt costed 800$ from what i heard.A +15 weap costed 1.800 euro.
And they are exactly the same people who buy all to continue rule,so all these armor/weap/shirt/dyes/lvls stucked together in same toons really leave other players without any hope of gaming.......
That's exactly the point, which most people miss. Power shirt it self isn't so impressive, but combined with top dyes/hats/highly OE'd armors&weapons and boss jewels it's a different story. GL pvping vs that
you people should go figure out basic economics ...
all you freeloaders have to be subsidized by people that are willing to spend money to keep the servers up
after a point people stop being willing to pay for hats and cosmetic items
at that point they have to start selling items people are willing to pay for
what are those items? In game power items
It's the basic route every F2P game follows
If you think the universe owes you a free game you can be competitive without spending a dime then go make a game. Hire a few developers (pay them out of your own pocket), buy a few servers, hire some support personnel, then out of the goodness of your heart offer this game free to the people. You will be bankrupt pretty soon, but maybe that way you will figure out how the world works outside your mummy's and daddy's shelter
In a good scenario 1 out 5 people is willing to pay for items. That one person has to "cover" the expenses of the other 4 people that are not willing/able to pay. Go find people that are willing to spend $100/month EVERY MONTH to buy bee hats and ears of whatever. My guess: you won't find any.
That's why veteran players NEVER wanted lineage2 to go F2P. Poor idiots that couldn't even afford the $15/month wanted the game to go F2P. Guess what happened to these idiots? They quit cause they figured out F2P was more expensive than P2P ;)
The thousands of freeloaders that came when F2P started: Nobody cares about your opinion. You are replaceable, you bring nothing to the game. That's the cold hard reality. Deal with it.
To the veterans that are stuck in a silly private server situation they tried to avoid by joining retail in the first place: You are the ones that got ****ed. Sorry.
It's an 8 year old game that was dead 6 months ago. NCWest bought themselves a year or two of income by going F2P, till Tera or L3 takes over their subscriber base. In the grander scheme of things it's still a dying game. Enjoy what you can for as long as you can, in a couple of years nobody will remember XXXkIlLaHXXX who ruled l2 after spending $10,000 on shirts and enchants
you people should go figure out basic economics ...
all you freeloaders have to be subsidized by people that are willing to spend money to keep the servers up
after a point people stop being willing to pay for hats and cosmetic items
at that point they have to start selling items people are willing to pay for
what are those items? In game power items
It's the basic route every F2P game follows
If you think the universe owes you a free game you can be competitive without spending a dime then go make a game. Hire a few developers (pay them out of your own pocket), buy a few servers, hire some support personnel, then out of the goodness of your heart offer this game free to the people. You will be bankrupt pretty soon, but maybe that way you will figure out how the world works outside your mummy's and daddy's shelter
In a good scenario 1 out 5 people is willing to pay for items. That one person has to "cover" the expenses of the other 4 people that are not willing/able to pay. Go find people that are willing to spend $100/month EVERY MONTH to buy bee hats and ears of whatever. My guess: you won't find any.
That's why veteran players NEVER wanted lineage2 to go F2P. Poor idiots that couldn't even afford the $15/month wanted the game to go F2P. Guess what happened to these idiots? They quit cause they figured out F2P was more expensive than P2P ;)
The thousands of freeloaders that came when F2P started: Nobody cares about your opinion. You are replaceable, you bring nothing to the game. That's the cold hard reality. Deal with it.
To the veterans that are stuck in a silly private server situation they tried to avoid by joining retail in the first place: You are the ones that got ****ed. Sorry.
It's an 8 year old game that was dead 6 months ago. NCWest bought themselves a year or two of income by going F2P, till Tera or L3 takes over their subscriber base. In the grander scheme of things it's still a dying game. Enjoy what you can for as long as you can, in a couple of years nobody will remember XXXkIlLaHXXX who ruled l2 after spending $10,000 on shirts and enchants
+1 and really only a handful will try to be uber leet and go beyond a +6 shirt.. the cost is just not in proportion of the gains there as has been explained many times before in this topic already..
+1 and really only a handful will try to be uber leet and go beyond a +6 shirt.. the cost is just not in proportion of the gains there as has been explained many times before in this topic already..
Ok that's not true.xp runes,vit potions,destruction enchants are acceptable because they dont affect so much the mass of players.But items that cannot be acquired through other even hard methods in game is crazy man.If it is that way NC in the future will put new armor Donator's Armor set $ Grade With 40000 con/str/wit/int and rich people will pwn all server or solo anthara.........
The game is free to play. Noone said it's free to win.
If you are not having fun by not winning the 99 players with +15 gear, then you should better quit now, since chances are you wont be able to win them later on as well.
NCSoft is a company that HAS to make a profit out of what they can (ie NCStore). Imo whoever thought of that shirt thing is a very clever man and chances are that he is getting a big fat bonus on his next paycheck and 100% sure he doesnt care if some people cry over this on forums.
*Tactical Facepalm*
RageMore was referring to destruction scrolls for the power shirt, which would mean that it would only a matter of how much $ you can put into this to get a +10 shirt. As it stands right now , even if you had some thousands to blow , you would not be guarranteed to get a shirt past +8 , which in turn has negligible stats more than a +6 shirt that half the people I know got with 2000coins or less.
No matter what you "meant" unless stupid, a person is going to know how much real money they are going to spend before buying the shirt. And you act like A +6 shirt isn't a big difference from lets say an hp or cp shirt.
The first P2W item of L2 Since F2P.
This item give a little advantage to P2W players.
But remember this is the first.
Maybe in the future we can P2W a super big weapon with super big powerfull powers, only for P2P.
Put itens in P2W without the option to F2P players chance of get the item is a stupid way to get money.
-1 for this.
P2W = pay to win
F2P = free to play
P2P = pay to play
l2store is ok...
Administrators should take precautions that could connect with the ranger! then it would be playable even if the players had +15 weapons.
:cool:
No matter what you "meant" unless stupid, a person is going to know how much real money they are going to spend before buying the shirt. I really cannot understand what you try to say in your first sentence , so please elaborate.
And you act like A +6 shirt isn't a big difference from lets say an hp or cp shirt.
Then go make one , it wont cost more than 1-2 subscriptions would cost of the old P2P model (that you were already paying back then) and if you belong to the
private server community , then you came here for free to play , not free to win .Someone has to cover the costs of maintaining this game and as it seems that aint you.
you people should go figure out basic economics ...
all you freeloaders have to be subsidized by people that are willing to spend money to keep the servers up
after a point people stop being willing to pay for hats and cosmetic items
at that point they have to start selling items people are willing to pay for
what are those items? In game power items
It's the basic route every F2P game follows
If you think the universe owes you a free game you can be competitive without spending a dime then go make a game. Hire a few developers (pay them out of your own pocket), buy a few servers, hire some support personnel, then out of the goodness of your heart offer this game free to the people. You will be bankrupt pretty soon, but maybe that way you will figure out how the world works outside your mummy's and daddy's shelter
In a good scenario 1 out 5 people is willing to pay for items. That one person has to "cover" the expenses of the other 4 people that are not willing/able to pay. Go find people that are willing to spend $100/month EVERY MONTH to buy bee hats and ears of whatever. My guess: you won't find any.
That's why veteran players NEVER wanted lineage2 to go F2P. Poor idiots that couldn't even afford the $15/month wanted the game to go F2P. Guess what happened to these idiots? They quit cause they figured out F2P was more expensive than P2P ;)
The thousands of freeloaders that came when F2P started: Nobody cares about your opinion. You are replaceable, you bring nothing to the game. That's the cold hard reality. Deal with it.
To the veterans that are stuck in a silly private server situation they tried to avoid by joining retail in the first place: You are the ones that got ****ed. Sorry.
It's an 8 year old game that was dead 6 months ago. NCWest bought themselves a year or two of income by going F2P, till Tera or L3 takes over their subscriber base. In the grander scheme of things it's still a dying game. Enjoy what you can for as long as you can, in a couple of years nobody will remember XXXkIlLaHXXX who ruled l2 after spending $10,000 on shirts and enchants
Very good post.
Lets see if I can give you positive rep for it. Happens rarely, since I dont wanna exploit it and make it meaningless, but it does happen :D
Another way to look at this is the money aspect puts those of us who work for a living on par with those unemployed living in their parent's basement playing this game 15 to 20 hours a day
There are those of us who work 40+ hours a week for real money and can spare a bit (maybe not $1,000) but surely $45 or so a month for this game. You can get a +5 shirt with a $20 investment cake. I think the percentages work out to be $70 for a +6 shirt, and if you want to spend that then go for it. Then there are those that are unemployed collecting unemployment checks and/or living in their parents basements playing this game 15 to 20 hours a day. Maybe they can't get the ++ shirts but they probably have enough adena to get lots of other stuff.
No 1 plays that much...lol
An F2PCockroach is a person that cant stop crying about ppl spending money on a game that in their mind is free for all, with servers run by lepricauns and unicorns that never run out of money and just keep the servers up for free forever.
Get a shirt, or dont get a shirt. I could care less. I didnt make you poor, you did.
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you people should go figure out basic economics ...
all you freeloaders have to be subsidized by people that are willing to spend money to keep the servers up
after a point people stop being willing to pay for hats and cosmetic items
at that point they have to start selling items people are willing to pay for
what are those items? In game power items
It's the basic route every F2P game follows
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You both want a list of games that are F2P and 100% or close to it, balanced in terms of RM money items that you can buy?
Clearly you only play L2 and never try anything else!
Games do survive if it is done right!
But this type of items L2 sell is just making ppl quit!
Maybe go out there and look at others games business models...
imba items = kill a game, basic math
like i said i could spent my money here but i just dont like to have more power over another guys, its not fair! Its like cheating, if you cheat that means you cant do it without cheating wich means deep inside you feel miserable and you know you suck, you are bad at the game!
rly?? how do you feel when you have all your op items and you won against another guy that as normal items?
Do you feel great?
Awesome...but you are not!! And deep inside you know it! You already label yourself as a FAIL! And you wont ever get out of that hole because you lack the atittude to do it right!
Now how do we feel when we win to a guy that have all his op items?
we feel like a GOD!
Maybe a god of the arena :3
It is pretty easy; L2 is a dead game. Diablo 3, TERA, GW2. L2 is dead and they want to die taking all the money possible
it's ofc a big difference but the amount of actual USD ($) that it cost to get one isn't that outrageous as most of you guys here make it sounds like.. it's not much more then what it used to cost to pay 1 months subscription fee for 4 accounts which is more or less the average of what the veteran players used to pay monthly before this whole lol F2P deal..
on a complete different note: how to get rid of the surplus of shirts after you managed to get 1 +6 as even though it's not mentioned on the description I couldn't crush/delete/remove the **** thing.. it's now wasting inventory slots in my wh >.<"
pretty sure I'm not alone in this as it makes perfectly sense to use 2 or more shirts to OE to +5 to increase your chances on getting 1 to +6..
The first P2W item of L2 Since F2P.
This item give a little advantage to P2W players.
But remember this is the first.
Maybe in the future we can P2W a super big weapon with super big powerfull powers, only for P2P.
Put itens in P2W without the option to F2P players chance of get the item is a stupid way to get money.
-1 for this.
P2W = pay to win
F2P = free to play
P2P = pay to play
Actually NO cause this is all coming from Korea where it's still Pay2Play and this item was part of an event they had years ago, they do not have any other stuff like this that can only be obtained through item store..
There will be more overpowered items added to the game in the Tauti update but those will all be achieved through in game actions, not item store related at all..
An F2PCockroach is a person that cant stop crying about ppl spending money on a game that in their mind is free for all, with servers run by lepricauns and unicorns that never run out of money and just keep the servers up for free forever.
Get a shirt, or dont get a shirt. I could care less. I didnt make you poor, you did.
What drove you to the conclusion that I am crying about donators?
I don't give a fak
I don't give a fak
I don't give a fak
I don't give a fak
I am playing for free. I am enjoying the free game. Sure I enjoyed more playing on PS in the past but with Official going free to play -pay to win things changed forever. Unfortunately there is no going back to P.S.
I never spent a cent on the game nor I will.
Bold phrase is not crying dude its just an observation (more like common knowledge in fact).
you'd be surprised how many people play that much.
15 hours i can buy that...but its a little little minory of no lifers that can do their RL things in the other 9 hours they got left....
20 hours? no way! or yes for 1 month maybe then i will pay my respects at their funeral or if not i ll bring you a box of chocolates at the hospital :3
now around 10-12 hours max, yeah why not im sure you can find many
Yes, we should be able to play the way we want. If you don't want to spend a dime or if you want to break out the gold AMEX! It would truly be playing the way you want. Just like the real world... those that can afford the luxuries bask in the sun while the servants fight for the scraps and work long days.
Yes, we should be able to play the way we want. If you don't want to spend a dime or if you want to break out the gold AMEX! It would truly be playing the way you want. Just like the real world... those that can afford the luxuries bask in the sun while the servants fight for the scraps and work long days.
That's all fine and good, too bad the cry babies general argument is that "It's not fair!!!!!!!" and since they ware raised in the era of no scoring and everyone is a "winner" they can't grasp that reality is never "fair"
you people should go figure out basic economics ...
all you freeloaders have to be subsidized by people that are willing to spend money to keep the servers up
We are here as a feature of the server. You aren't paying our part. You are paying so that we play and the servers have a decent amount of population.
after a point people stop being willing to pay for hats and cosmetic items
Actually its usually the opposite way. After some point people have spent so much money on "nuke power" that they don't mind buying some cosmetics too.
at that point they have to start selling items people are willing to pay for
Well 1st you had Dewr then you had colored titles and hats
what are those items? In game power items
It's the basic route every F2P game follows
No it isn't
If you think the universe owes you a free game
At this point it would be best for you to wake up and drink some coffee
you can be competitive without spending a dime
We are still talking about games right?
Maybe you should reconsider.
then go make a game.
Do I need to comment on this?
Hire a few developers (pay them out of your own pocket), buy a few servers, hire some support personnel, then out of the goodness of your heart offer this game free to the people. You will be bankrupt pretty soon, but maybe that way you will figure out how the world works outside your mummy's and daddy's shelter
I am not accusing you of use but I suggest that you stop the drugs
In a good scenario 1 out 5 people is willing to pay for items.
More inside Info?
That one person has to "cover" the expenses of the other 4 people that are not willing/able to pay.
The one person pays so that they other 4 wont say bye bye and he is left alone on empty server.
Go find people that are willing to spend $100/month EVERY MONTH to buy bee hats and ears of whatever. My guess: you won't find any.
That's why veteran players NEVER wanted lineage2 to go F2P. Poor idiots that couldn't even afford the $15/month wanted the game to go F2P.
So which exactly word is used here for cursing? Poor or Idiots? Its not quite clear. :rolleyes:;)
Guess what happened to these idiots? They quit cause they figured out F2P was more expensive than P2P ;)
You consider yourself smart because?
The thousands of freeloaders that came when F2P started: Nobody cares about your opinion.
You probably have the delusion that somebody in game cares bout you.
Hey dude, nobody cares about you either.
You are replaceable, you bring nothing to the game. That's the cold hard reality. Deal with it.
Freeloaders are the heart of this game as it is now.
Its pretty self-explanatory this. LOL
To the veterans that are stuck in a silly private server situation they tried to avoid by joining retail in the first place: You are the ones that got ****ed. Sorry.
Your personal opinion about how the Official is right now. I don't judge you.
It's an 8 year old game that was dead 6 months ago.
WoW a fact!
NCWest bought themselves a year or two of income by going F2P,
till Tera or L3 takes over their subscriber base.
Catastrophology? Inside info? Guru?
In the grander scheme of things it's still a dying game.
I guess its catastrophology after all..
Enjoy what you can for as long as you can,
Thnx for the tip!
in a couple of years nobody will remember XXXkIlLaHXXX who ruled l2 after spending $10,000 on shirts and enchants
Hey! That's why people spend hours making videos. Don't spoil it for them..
They are sort of creating a legacy
:rolleyes:
First: if it doesnt enchance my gameplay im not buying it.
Second: if I (the buyers) dont buy it, Ncsoft doesnt make money.
Third: If Ncsoft doesnt make money, the game does get played by ANYONE because the servers dont exist anymore.
Ill enjoy my +6 shirt now and you can wait till they put it in game for you next month. Have no fear, after all the whining and crying by the "entitlement generation" in this thread, I assure you they will add it and you will quit your complaining until the next item comes out.
On a different note, my wife, my kids, and i all play this game and i havent heard my kids complain about this shirt at all. So i think ill buy them a +6 shirt too, just so they can destroy the freeloaders with their "OP" shirts lol.
On a different note, my wife, my kids, and i all play this game and i havent heard my kids complain about this shirt at all. So i think ill buy them a +6 shirt too, just so they can destroy the freeloaders with their "OP" shirts lol.
If you think the universe owes you a free game you can be competitive without spending a dime then go make a game. Hire a few developers (pay them out of your own pocket), buy a few servers, hire some support personnel, then out of the goodness of your heart offer this game free to the people.= League of Legends aka in top 4 most played game in the world!
Go figure why!!?
You will be bankrupt pretty soon, but maybe that way you will figure out how the world works outside your mummy's and daddy's shelter
"Analysis: Riot Games is an independent game developer. The company's first title, League of Legends, is the 4th most played game in the world. We estimate the company will generate revenue of between $25-50 million this year, off of a relatively low base in 2009 given the October launch. Given the company only has one title, we will apply the lower end of the gaming multiple range of 5x for a valuation of $250 million.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/digital-100#51-riot-games-51#ixzz1pxaSkxw5
The shirt cost me $11 that is less then one month's play time was. I got +6 on my 2nd try first one went to +5.
Chance of enchanting to +6 is not bad after +7 though it drops to less then 7% which horrible way to waste money.
Since it has gone f2p i have spent $60 in 5 months. Before f2p I was spending $75 a month for accounts and a vent server.
Now I use a vent server of an ally and don't pay for any accounts. I actually now have on average $60 in my pocket.
I pick and choice what I spend my money on, I bought ear - D scrolls for my twilight top that was unbound, and now this neither are game breaking but do give me a leg up especially against cheaters.
I know some friends in my clan who quit when this was introduced after long complain in chat about pay to win.
I felt terrible about it since I'm assuming this is just one of many others to come in future.
but Well Again I couldnt resist but to pay for it and try get +6 only! and spent 50$ and didn't get +6 so now I even feel being laughed on by NCSoft, when you declare enchant for item if you don't want to disclose the Actual success rates Then ATLEAST MENTION SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED After +4.
I'm playing game to have fun NOT GETTING GAMBLE ADDICTION WITH MY MONEY.
I know some friends in my clan who quit when this was introduced after long complain in chat about pay to win.
I felt terrible about it since I'm assuming this is just one of many others to come in future.
but Well Again I couldnt resist but to pay for it and try get +6 only! and spent 50$ and didn't get +6 so now I even feel being laughed on by NCSoft, when you declare enchant for item if you don't want to disclose the Actual success rates Then ATLEAST MENTION SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED After +4.
I'm playing game to have fun NOT GETTING GAMBLE ADDICTION WITH MY MONEY.
Look, the OE success rate on the shirt might be low, but that's not really the point. The real point is that it's a poor idea to jump right to selling power because it requires that you continuously up the ante on what you're selling. Anyone that played privates knows that this became a real issue on many of the top servers, and I don't see any reason why it would be different here.
Before someone jumps on my **** to say I'm a free loader, I probably buy more stuff from the shop than most ppl posting in here, including runes each week, the dewr packs, etc. I'll do what I need to for the competition until I decide to quit, but I still think this is a bad idea on the part of NCSoft.
To all the people saying the shirt only cost this and that, blah blah, how many if you would just give money to NC for NOTHING in return, your claims the item is cheap and someone needs to keep the server is irrelevant if you are not willing to do it for free, so stop convincing us and yourself you are helping the server, YOU ARE HELPING yourself...
Fact: the shirt even if not +10 gives an advantage, it may not be op but it gives something or people wouldn't buy it, just like some of the other people have mention who want a decorative hat or shirt. A lot of Hippocrates trying to justify what they are doing, it makes me laugh!
I gave 15 dollars on two accounts for a year of actual play time when it was p2p, just to play the game. I even bought a few coins after goddess came about so telling me about about keeping the server alive, that is a joke, if the people responding did not pay to play with the monthly fee, ask yourself why not? And why are you here now and why are you spending money when you couldn't afford a measly 15 a month, but hell lets throw $60 at the game like it's nothing, oh yeah I get something more now, that is the real reason.
you people should go figure out basic economics ...
all you freeloaders have to be subsidized by people that are willing to spend money to keep the servers up
And you legit oldschool veterans should learn some math (or common sense?). The amount of money people are spending on these L2Store items highly surpasses that of the amount they were spending on monthly subscriptions.
after a point people stop being willing to pay for hats and cosmetic items
at that point they have to start selling items people are willing to pay for
what are those items? In game power items
XP Runes? Mounts? Scrolls other than Enchantment scrolls? Event items? Potions? Teleport Scrolls? Pets? We see people using these items daily. But nevermind that, lets pretend you're correct about players not wanting items other than those that give advantages. What about account services? seeing that every other person wants some kind of service, if this feature is implemented then it means a massive income for NCwest.
It's the basic route every F2P game follows
No it's not! It's been mentioned several times on this thread already that other F2P games only offer cosmetic items and services that don't upset the balance of the game. Even if other F2P games do it, NCwest should not have betrayed their 7 year loyal customers with this kind of rubbish.
If you think the universe owes you a free game you can be competitive without spending a dime then go make a game. Hire a few developers (pay them out of your own pocket), buy a few servers, hire some support personnel, then out of the goodness of your heart offer this game free to the people. You will be bankrupt pretty soon, but maybe that way you will figure out how the world works outside your mummy's and daddy's shelter
Okay there pal. It doesn't take much to set up a servers these days. Groups of Devs and other committed players have come together countless times and put up servers that had more activity than retail servers in some cases. Don't believe me? Try googling. Thousands of Lineage 2 servers open and close on a daily basis and still take away so many players from the retail servers. And eventually that's what's going to happen again if NCwest don't pull out of this terrible business plan and start caring about the game. I've just heard of another group of clans who are leaving to another private server (from Shilen, Naia and Bartz) maybe you heard of it too?
In a good scenario 1 out 5 people is willing to pay for items. That one person has to "cover" the expenses of the other 4 people that are not willing/able to pay. Go find people that are willing to spend $100/month EVERY MONTH to buy bee hats and ears of whatever. My guess: you won't find any.
Ok lets analyze this. If the monthly fee used to be approx. 15$ and there are players paying thousands for OP gear out of the item store then they definitely cover more than 5 players. There are players who openly admitted to spending hundreds before this Power Shirt was introduced, and players who admitted the same before the EWR/EAR-D were introduced (on the SS bundles, Cosmetics and XP Runes). So if a couple of players are spending that much from every clan in the server on XP runes and Cosmetics then are definitely covering the cost of those who aren't. And like I said earlier, account servers are just one of the many ways to rake in more revenue for NC.
That's why veteran players NEVER wanted lineage2 to go F2P. Poor idiots that couldn't even afford the $15/month wanted the game to go F2P. Guess what happened to these idiots? They quit cause they figured out F2P was more expensive than P2P ;)
Well guess what, it did go F2P. They didn't care about your opinion then and most definitely don't care for it now. This thread is awfully familiar to the one about the new PKing system, if you get what I'm saying.
The thousands of freeloaders that came when F2P started: Nobody cares about your opinion. You are replaceable, you bring nothing to the game. That's the cold hard reality. Deal with it.
To the veterans that are stuck in a silly private server situation they tried to avoid by joining retail in the first place: You are the ones that got ****ed. Sorry.
It's an 8 year old game that was dead 6 months ago. NCWest bought themselves a year or two of income by going F2P, till Tera or L3 takes over their subscriber base. In the grander scheme of things it's still a dying game. Enjoy what you can for as long as you can, in a couple of years nobody will remember XXXkIlLaHXXX who ruled l2 after spending $10,000 on shirts and enchants
Judging by those two last paragraphs we can assume you don't care for the direction in which this game is going. So if you don't care about the game and where it's headed, then why bother to comment against those who do care and hope for some improvement? .
People who are defending this with the argument that it's a dead game anyway are ridiculous. The excuse that 'the game is dead anyway so I want to enjoy my OP items until it dies" is disguising. You so called Veterans who are saying this should be ashamed.
More importantly, NCwest should be ashamed of what they're doing with the game. Wanting people to gamble with real money like that.... that's no worse than RMT, and definately not a solution.
What is disgusting is actually all the freeloaders coming here clogging up the servers.
If you dont wanna buy an item, dont buy it, noone will force you to do it.
But dont cry when someoen else buys one.
Freeloaders should be ashamed at their behaviour on retail...
Freeloaders? It's a F2P game, how is anyone freeloading if the company is selling it as free?
You can't advertise a game as free to play then have a requirement to buy these overpower weapons to be able to compete effectively.
You have some kind of personal hate against new players, especially ones from Private Servers. I hate to burst your bubble but your loyal NCwest is the one who brought these apparent "freeloaders" here.
Clogging up the servers.... just lol.
PS: Don't tell other people to stay on topic if the only posts you contribute are hate towards new players.
Freeloaders? It's a F2P game, how is anyone freeloading if the company is selling it as free?
You can't advertise a game as free to play then have a requirement to buy these overpower weapons to be able to compete effectively.
You have some kind of personal hate against new players, especially ones from Private Servers. I hate to burst your bubble but your loyal NCwest is the one who brought these apparent "freeloaders" here.
Clogging up the servers.... just lol.
PS: Don't tell other people to stay on topic if the only posts you contribute are hate towards new players.
on a complete different note: how to get rid of the surplus of shirts after you managed to get 1 +6 as even though it's not mentioned on the description I couldn't crush/delete/remove the **** thing.. it's now wasting inventory slots in my wh >.<"
pretty sure I'm not alone in this as it makes perfectly sense to use 2 or more shirts to OE to +5 to increase your chances on getting 1 to +6..
Why does it increase your chance ? I mean you have the same OE chance, and I guess you were using Blessed scrolls so it's the same no ?
You cant advertise that the game REQUIRES you to buy anything. YOU are not required to buy anything. ;)
We might as well be. It was an exaggerated statement based on how overpowering some of the L2Store items make players. You are not required to pay for these items, so long as you don't mind losing in every competitive part of this game (PvP, Oly, etc).
We might as well be. It was an exaggerated statement based on how overpowering some of the L2Store items make players. You are not required to pay for these items, so long as you don't mind losing in every competitive part of this game (PvP, Oly, etc).
While to do agree on most for the points you have stated and the manner in which they have been presented, this shirt is hardly a game changer. It does have the unfortunate potential to lead to several game changing options however and i do recognize that. There is another contributing factor that has been noted and dismissed though. This shirt comes from a previous event in korea (which is where we are getting our content from). It doesnt seem to have had a lasting or debilitating effect on L2 there.
It appears to me to be more of an class warfare issue to me. One side is envious of the other for beimg able to possess something that they cannot. Well i agree everyone should be able to obtain it. Problem is i dont agree with the mentality of the "freeloaders". If they were given it for free there wouldnt be a single complaint on this forum of that i assure you. Ive already posted my solution so i wont do it again here but that is my 2 NCcoin.
We might as well be. It was an exaggerated statement based on how overpowering some of the L2Store items make players. You are not required to pay for these items, so long as you don't mind losing in every competitive part of this game (PvP, Oly, etc).
Excuse the double post please .
What else can be acquired in the L2store that is OP that cannot be acquired in game?
It takes a lot of time and effort to get enough scrolls to make over-enchanted armor and weaponry, while paying players can have it easy through these scrolls. Same goes for the Dyes. It's a different kind of imbalance than the Power Shirt which is only obtainable through the Store. I guess the items I mentioned can be considered the lesser of the evils.
And I'm not just bashing this because I can't afford the items. I have paid before for items in the store, and would do it again if I saw the game headed in a positive direction.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get enough scrolls to make over-enchanted armor and weaponry, while paying players can have it easy through these scrolls. Same goes for the Dyes. It's a different kind of imbalance than the Power Shirt which is only obtainable through the Store. I guess the items I mentioned can be considered the lesser of the evils.
And I'm not just bashing this because I can't afford the items. I have paid before for items in the store, and would do it again if I saw the game headed in a positive direction.
Im not insinuating anything. I fully believe you could buy them. The point is everything is achievable in game if you choose to work for it, negating any imbalance.
Those scrolls were open for anyone to buy, there wasnt even a set amount on sale, like the hats.
I dont see anyone complaining not enough hats for sale though.
Either buy or dont buy. Its entirely up to you. Just realize that if noone ever buys anything, this game will not have servers running, coz they still need to pay bills, just like everyone else.
And if you aint buying, you are a freeloader, im free to feel whatever I want about freeloaders.
Look at it another way. Someone with a multimillion dollar house on the water and a ferrari is more likely to get laid with more supermodels in a month than most will in a lifetime. Someone with a +10 shirt is more likely to get hero than most without it. Stop wasting your time and energy complaining about the +++ shirts and instead complain about not getting laid with lots of supermodels. That truly is what's not fair!
This sux because they sell items that are imposible to get ingame in any other way.
The best thing would be if they could add a way so others can get these items from ingame even it would take let's say like 1month to gather some quest items to get it. We know the the same ppl that buy the shirts now will still buy it cause they don't wanna wait 1 month to get it.
but this actions just make ppl leave sv every day, "truly free to play" but if u don't buy the items we sell that u can only from our store the others will **** your *** even if they suck. amin
imbalance is just disgusting, even if it benefits me, i dont like it, and i dont feel cool with that!
i already said it but many ppl just come here post and the only thing they read is what the above poster said...and hopfully more share my thoughs...
Got tired of this thread! As im slowly getting of the game...2 more friends left today
Game will slowly die!
Hf while it lasts
This is ****. L2 is completly ****** up. PAY TO WIN. I would gladly pay 20$/month to get rid of all of these kids and ppl that cant even communicate with you ( i do not disciminate language nor nationality, but someone that only spams " OMG U DAY I KIL HAHA NOOB, OMG U IDIOT" should ****** DIE )
Last playable chronicle was Interlude. R.I.P. all the real niggaz
Kain4lyfe
Alas I cannot control all changes and decisions made for the game. But I assure you that I am doing my job of reporting all your feedback to the executives so that the community's reaction is clearly heard. I understand that this item and some others new to the store are a bit controversial, and that is why I am careful to collect all the individual opinions about it and report them to my superiors.
Sace, i kinda feel sorry for you man ( no sarcasm). You KNOW that the game has become a pile of crap and NCwest cant do **** about it. I applaud your professionalism, but i disapprove the level of commitment of NCKorea to you guys( and us), making the game maintenance and popularity = ****
I'm sure if they continue this way, they will lose the players gained in the last months.
I've already noticed a drop of 1k players on Naia in the last month...
Think carefully at what your doing NCSoft!
yeah population drop on naia as u can see there is no problem anymore to login also its hard also time for making a random party increased a lot
If ppl paid even the least attention, you would know the shirt isnt very expensive. And anyone is free to buy one.
Now stop crying that you cant buy one, coz you can, if you really wanted to.
+1
I'm pretty sure, you can do +5 shirt with about $20 - 30. So even if you have low budget, you can buy few Blessed Scrolls and have your own +5 shirt. Realize, that you don't have to pay. You are playing free for about 4 months now. So I guess you can pay few bucks to have some advantage (if you want to).
One just have to give up a few beers, or frappachinos, or cigarettes.
And if you dont have 20 bucks, one should probably not be playing games, but rather spend some time making money IRL.
No?
$20 is really a drop in bucket if you think about the $1,000+ computer and $100 internet connection people usually spend to play this game with little/no lag.
$20 = bring my lunch in for a couple days at work rather than eat out
$20 = eat at a choice steak house rather than a prime steak house
$20 = eat the blue crab instead of the lobster
and if u dont buy anything, ur a freeloader, simple as !
and to complete it
and if you buy power items you are a donator
Donator: A filthy little creature that fools himself and and tries to fool the others too for buying power (in a game LOL) with excuses such as (other ppl cheat/play zombie/I keep the server running/or whatever suits him best)
Whilst I understand pay2win sucks and I find a number of problems with shirts, but not the bonuses. I also find people are going far too over the top about the bonuses from the shirts.
+2/3 to stats are a TINY boost, it's like +2% dps, +2% hp/cp, +40 cast speed, +1 evasion and so forth. So naked 'MR Freeloader' hits you for 3000 damage, +10 shirt 'Mr Donator' hits you for 3060 damage.
Invincibility is 7 seconds every 20 hours and probably isn't available in oly, even if it was it's just the same as a talisman and can only be used once a night.
It's a boost, but only small ones compared to the mass amounts of QQ about it.
I'm pretty sure, you can do +5 shirt with about $20 - 30. So even if you have low budget, you can buy few Blessed Scrolls and have your own +5 shirt. Realize, that you don't have to pay. You are playing free for about 4 months now. So I guess you can pay few bucks to have some advantage (if you want to).
P.S.: I spend about $65 until got +6.
That's a new game for my 360 + some movie rentals that will give me more entertainment and fonder memories than that shirt will.
But really, I could care less. This is a side project for me at that point. I actually play another MMORPG primarily, and pay for it happily, so I don't have to deal with this and the donators making excuses for the company putting the crap on there...
And when I did pay for this game, it was $45/mo not $15. This game was barely playable with only 1 account up until HF/GoD.
Whilst I understand pay2win sucks and I find a number of problems with shirts, but not the bonuses. I also find people are going far too over the top about the bonuses from the shirts.
+2/3 to stats are a TINY boost, it's like +2% dps, +2% hp/cp, +40 cast speed, +1 evasion and so forth. So naked 'MR Freeloader' hits you for 3000 damage, +10 shirt 'Mr Donator' hits you for 3060 damage.
Invincibility is 7 seconds every 20 hours and probably isn't available in oly, even if it was it's just the same as a talisman and can only be used once a night.
It's a boost, but only small ones compared to the mass amounts of QQ about it.
And Mr Donator also has +6 Armor and +10 to +15 Apoc weapon (I've already seen a couple of +15 Mage weapons, and about 7-8 other types - that's only what I'VE seen).
So his +2% DPS is a lot more than your +2% DPS.
That's the problem. It's not really the shirt in isolation, it's a combination of things, like those destruction scrolls and XP bonuses.
Your point is well taken in a vacuum where all things are equal up until the shirt comes in, but that is not the case in the game right now.
I'm all for giving useful items in the shop, but the combination of things they have put on there have already had adverse, and noticeable (if you ever do Olympiad, etc.) effects on in-game balance.
That being said, everyone knew this would happen and even well before the game went free (over a year before) there were discussions here about it (cause they added a cash shop into the Korean version) and we came to this conclusion. THe only think most players in this game think about is winning, so the only way they can really make any decent revenue is to play into that. Otherwise peeps would just buy massive amounts of adena from other sources and achieve their goals that way, anyways.
And Mr Donator also has +6 Armor and +10 to +15 Apoc weapon (I've already seen a couple of +15 Mage weapons, and about 7-8 other types - that's only what I'VE seen).
So his +2% DPS is a lot more than your +2% DPS.
That's the problem. It's not really the shirt in isolation, it's a combination of things, like those destruction scrolls and XP bonuses.
So why are people QQing that the shirt is OP, the fact is it's the least OP thing they've added. Although it is one of the things that will make most want to quit.
maybe it does or doesnt work in oly but in pvp you have stacked wards, accessories stats, dye stats that are very expensive and so on. every tiny bit matter in the end, at least for those who wants to compete in this game and personally i dont really need that to kill mobs faster or pvp from time to time with others like me.
So why are people QQing that the shirt is OP, the fact is it's the least OP thing they've added. Although it is one of the things that will make most want to quit.
It's not JUST the shirt. Read my post. The shirt is just the latest in a list of idiotic things they put in that shop. It's a compounding problem. The more they add, the more advantageous people with deep wallets are.
Just consider it them trying hard to stay on topic.
Some dude is selling 90 kartina passes for 15 mil adena. He claims to have already sold over 100 of them. That works out to be $150 for 1.5 bil adena. RMT doesn't seem to be much of a concern anymore as long as NcSoft gets the real money.
I guess if someone wants to spend $150 for 1.5 bil adena it's their choice. Eveyone else is free to do it too until ncsoft makes those passes untradable.
Get on the band wagon before you become relatively poor to everyone else. The people with loads of adena can save their real money on these kartina passes since we got people willing to fork the bill on them. Gogo!
maybe it does or doesnt work in oly but in pvp you have stacked wards, accessories stats, dye stats that are very expensive and so on. every tiny bit matter in the end, at least for those who wants to compete in this game and personally i dont really need that to kill mobs faster or pvp from time to time with others like me.
You can get +3 Dyes for cheap (cheap as in 7.5-12M for a set), so there isn't a huge advantage to having the Legendary dyes. They're legendary, and they cost in-game adena to buy (nevermind they just added some to the NCStore). Stats also scale differently and the shirt adds more than just the stats.
Also, the Dyes are Nothing on the level of the +6 sets and high OE weapons people got from eBaying Destruction scrolls to the shop. People are just ****** and this thread is just a collective "What the heck... Again?!" from those players (most players don't even read or post on these forums so you have to take even these long threads with a grain of salt, forum posters in almost all MMORPGs are a distant minority of the playerbase).
The TW wards and crap like that were a bad idea but NCSoft put them in because without them no one would do TW. All you have is top clans hoarding them, anyways.
Some dude is selling 90 kartina passes for 15 mil adena. He claims to have already sold over 100 of them. That works out to be $150 for 1.5 bil adena. RMT doesn't seem to be much of a concern anymore as long as NcSoft gets the real money.
I guess if someone wants to spend $150 for 1.5 bil adena it's their choice. Eveyone else is free to do it too until ncsoft makes those passes untradable.
Get on the band wagon before you become relatively poor to everyone else. The people with loads of adena can save their real money on these kartina passes since we got people willing to fork the bill on them. Gogo!
Yes, I noticed this too...
But I have RL things to spend money on. Things that matter more than the game. I just like having the discussions about it, but we've already had most of these discussions anyways. This thread is more of a reaction than a discussion, I guess hehe
Level 96 vs 91
Armor TW+6 Full element vs TW+3 70% element
Weapon Blessed Apo +15 vs Apo +4
Dyes +18 stats vs +15 stats 3 stats more
Power T-Shirt enchanted to +7: +8 stats +7 speed +15 mdef (item)
Hair Accessory augmented (+1 stat) and enchanted +8 mdef (item)
Wards (because hell you have top gear it would a surpsrise not to have them) +18 stats
I think that's the comparison between a "Donator" and a "Zombie Freeloader"
Level 96 vs 91
Armor TW+6 Full element vs TW+3 70% element
Weapon Blessed Apo +15 vs Apo +4
Dyes +18 stats vs +15 stats 3 stats more
Power T-Shirt enchanted to +7: +8 stats +7 speed +15 mdef (item)
Hair Accessory augmented (+1 stat) and enchanted +8 mdef (item)
Wards (because hell you have top gear it would a surpsrise not to have them) +18 stats
I think that's the comparison between a "Donator" and a "Zombie Freeloader"
Only one correction to make here. Augmented hair accessory doesnt give a stat boost, enchanted does (cant buy hair accessory enchants in the L2store)
Opinion: again all but the shurt can be achieved in game and have an EQUAL chance of success.
Only one correction to make here. Augmented hair accessory doesnt give a stat boost, enchanted does (cant buy hair accessory enchants in the L2store)
Opinion: again all but the shurt can be achieved in game and have an EQUAL chance of success.
I am not talking about +3 stats you can get with 100-300kk
I am talking about gambling with augment till you get +1 stat from it and also there were enchant scroll 2 weeks ago on L2 Galleria (I suppose l2 Store too) that would add+2 mdef every enchant iirc
I am not talking about +3 stats you can get with 100-300kk
I am talking about gambling with augment till you get +1 stat from it and also there were enchant scroll 2 weeks ago on L2 Galleria (I suppose l2 Store too) that would add+2 mdef every enchant iirc
Ummm what ??? There was no such enchant scroll in the L2store or i would have bought several.
On the first note thank you for informing me thats this +1 was possible and i stand corrected. Could to post proof of this?
Ummm what ??? There was no such enchant scroll in the L2store or i would have bought several. Could to post proof of this?
So you are sure or you want proof? :p
The item is no longer available it was for 2 weeks with Harmony pack etc
Google it and you will see sites have already listed it (with wrong icon though I think)
Oh i think you missunderstood. I genuinely want proof that i missed said item. The harmony pack had no such item it had the silly giants box and accessory lifestone not enchant scroll.
Oh i think you missunderstood. I genuinely want proof that i missed said item. The harmony pack had no such item it had the silly giants box and accessory lifestone not enchant scroll.
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I hope this shirt its for only 2 weeks :D and after remove it from all who buyed it :D
Umm.. ok. You misunderstood again. I was asking you if you could show me proof that you can augment a hair accessory with a +1 stat. I wasnt trolling or insulting i was asking for my own information. Wow plp here are easily insulted. Eh no skin off my back.