First off before you post 'use knights', 'use tree' etc etc etc, I DO NOT DIE to dagger in oly and I use max dps buffs/setup. The problem is daggers just burst damage then hide for 99% of the fight making it impossible to kill them or outdamage them.
So aside from using programs to see where they are in hide so you can AOE them to knock hide off any other tactics or is it simply a lost cause?
Probably the worst place to post this but I'm bored in work so w/e. :rolleyes:
Sucks, but this is how oly works now.
Same as pre-god as ranged classes did 1 hit to me and then kept running in circles around the obelisk, so i couldnt hit them.
(slow Gladi...)
Well, when i'm on Feoh, the only way is to AOE as soon as he use hide near you.
That is the only way i see.
If he/she uses Hide far from you, then i think there is nothing you can do.
Pretty sure it removes all their debuffs, IIRC, but I cannot vouch for certain since I don't play one. You have to be super fast on an AoE which won't work unless that dagger is an idiot becuase he'll have mirror images on you and will run out a bit before he hides - i.e. out of your AoE range and likely behind a pillar if available.
Weird that I know daggers saying that oly is broken 'cause they can't beat healers and die all the times.
My suggestion is for you to get apo retributer +3 w/ acumen and a really good internet to be able to keep hittin' him. And maybe summon that pet after he used his major skills (clone and bouble).
Weird that I know daggers saying that oly is broken 'cause they can't beat healers and die all the times.
My suggestion is for you to get apo retributer +3 w/ acumen and a really good internet to be able to keep hittin' him. And maybe summon that pet after he used his major skills (clone and bouble).
If only it were that simple. :(
As I said daggers simply do 30s worth of damage with their clone skill etc then perma hide for the rest of the match so it's impossible. There's no way on earth a healer can out dps a dagger using their 30s of specials, even though I chain all my Celestial, Petrify and UD to counter the damage.
P.S. I use a +3 buster + shield anyway so a retributer wouldn't make much difference and pet wouldn't even get to hit before hide kicked in, a complete waste of nuking time whilst summoning.
Weird that I know daggers saying that oly is broken 'cause they can't beat healers and die all the times.
My suggestion is for you to get apo retributer +3 w/ acumen and a really good internet to be able to keep hittin' him. And maybe summon that pet after he used his major skills (clone and bouble).
Really good internet? Lmao.
Ferine's gear is better than fine. Even with a retributer healer damage isn't incredible this class wins by attrition - outlasting the enemy. The issue is not his damage, the issue is the dagger's ability to hide and pillar hump after bursting the healer down and winning via damage on a time-out.
The dagger may not be able to kill the healer, but he doesn't have to. He just has to frontload his damage and avoid the healer for the duration of the match. When the dagger is bursting you're heal locked for the most part, unless you have a Celestial up. You can't do decent damage while you're heal locked and trust me you aren't going to outdamage them just casting a PBAoE nuke.
Having a retributer won't help because after the dagger does his clones and bubble you will barely hit them, anyways, especially with the range on those nukes after they're done and start kiting you around between hides, etc.
Pet won't help, the Dagger will evade it a ton and it does absolutely terrible damage. Fake death works in Olympiad, they can make the pet stop attacking, anyways. Watch Olympiad, Healers try using pets all the time and it doesn't work.
The only thing a good dagger needs to do vs. a healer to win: Stay Alive.
The mechanics are not on your side.
I'm still laughing about the internet comment, though.
Don't know if in Shilen we just have lousy othels, but from the fights I saw the dager would run circles around the object, healer would run opposite direction, use dark force to push him far and dark veil + mass dark veil.. After doing this 10-15 times, dager would be dead.
I said better conection 'cause most times that ppl are running in circles, if you can click right in the border to walk smaller distance and invert the circle fast enough, it helps a lot. You can see in OLY videos from heroes in H5 that it used to happen a lot.
Don't know if in Shilen we just have lousy othels, but from the fights I saw the dager would run circles around the object, healer would run opposite direction, use dark force to push him far and dark veil + mass dark veil.. After doing this 10-15 times, dager would be dead.
I said better conection 'cause most times that ppl are running in circles, if you can click right in the border to walk smaller distance and invert the circle fast enough, it helps a lot. You can see in OLY videos from heroes in H5 that it used to happen a lot.
Your daggers are terrible then. I think you don't know dagger classes and the word 'hide' also.
'Hide' is a skill that daggers have that makes them invisible and untargettable for a long time, they also have a toggle called 'fake death' that now also makes them invisible and untargetable.
Unless you have programs there's no way to see them or know where they are so you just have just run blindly spamming AOEs in the hope you catch them and knock them out of hide.